Mickey Arthur and Misbah-ul-Haq : A Clash of Cultures and Philosophies

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Mickey Arthur has been discreet since his axing as Pakistan Head Coach in August 2019.

It's not difficult to see why Mickey Arthur would hold his tongue. Firstly, at the age of 51 he still has two or three jobs left in cricket. Secondly, he knows the strengths and weaknesses of Misbah-ul-Haq intimately, and he must understand that if Misbah under-performs then Arthur's reputation will rise.

The two men are quite close in age, but are in many ways the opposite of the products that you would expect their environments to have created.

Mickey Arthur is a white South African man who is 51 years of age. He lived in the stifling conservatism of Apartheid South Africa until that system collapsed just after his 26th birthday. You would expect such a man to be an arch-conservative - even Graeme Smith, who is a generation younger, was widely mocked in Australia for his late declarations and cautious tactics.

But Mickey Arthur has never been what you would expect. His family moved to Durban, which is a city dominated economically by Indian South Africans and English-speaking South Africans, and where the ultra-conservative Afrikaaner culture is almost non-existent. In contrast with Johannesburg or Cape Town it is a city of year-round summer and it has its own distinctively English-speaking cricket culture, personified by the likes of England's Robin Smith and before that two of South Africa's three greatest cricketers - Barry Richards and Mike Procter.

It is Mickey Arthur's upbringing in the English-speaking subset of white South Africa which explains his complete lack of racial prejudice, his progressive attitude towards young players and his comfort living in an "Indian" culture.

Misbah-ul-Haq is in many ways the opposite. Socially he resembles many of the Pakistan cricketers who were household names in England in the 1970's. He shares the same family background as Imran Khan and Majid Khan and is not too dissimilar socially to Rameez Raja and Wasim Raja.

All four of those older men were university educated, but Imran and Majid Khan went to university in the UK (at Oxford, the most prestigious university) while Wasim Raja married an Englishwoman and settled in the UK.

All four of those earlier, highly educated Pakistan international cricketers were men who were cosmopolitan in their outlook and, by Pakistani standards, progressive in their outlook to both life and sport. You might expect Misbah-ul-Haq to have developed similarly but he clearly has not: here is a man who at the age of 45 sports a beard that he did not have when he reached the age of 40.

Misbah has in many ways "gone the other way". It is a fact of life that many people become increasingly cautious and conservative as they age. (As a psychiatrist, I would refer you to Tomas Chamorro-Premuzik's 2014 article in "Psychology Today" which summarized 92 separate research studies showing that as people age they take fewer risks and stick to what they are familiar with).

Misbah is probably cricket's ultimate example of advancing age creating a leader whose mind is generally closed to the introduction of youth, to the idea of constant gradual rejuvenation of a team, and who will always invest his confidence in an older player rather than back youth.

We saw all of this with Misbah's captaincy. Mickey Arthur wrote in his (earlier) book that he had had to sack Herschelle Gibbs and Shaun Pollock from the South African national team because no team can afford to lose several senior players at once and sink into a transition phase. The oldest player in the team needs to be replaced each year so that a national team has a conveyer belt of players ranging in age from 20 to 32.

I spoke briefly with Steve Rixon in Australia on his return home in late 2016 when he was Mickey Arthur's assistant, and the team was clogged up with Misbah and Younis as non-performing seniors, along with Imran Khan Sr and Sohail Khan who were clearly not fit to occupy their roles. Meanwhile Misbah was using Yasir Shah as if he was bowling on a Day 5 track in Abu Dhabi, with a crazy leg-side line and field.

Rixon was the consummate professional and said nothing indiscreet. But he made it clear that this was Misbah's team, not Arthur's and his own, and that things would change as soon as Misbah and Younis retired. I pressed him on that, and said "but Younis and Misbah show no sign of choosing to retire". Rixon replied "over here (Australia) you don't get to choose when you retire but in Pakistan you do, and we will just have to make the best of it".

That one conversation was a huge eye-opener for me.

The older leader, a white South African who had grown up under Apartheid, could see that teams require young blood and that senior players need to be forcibly retired to ensure that they don't fail together and exit together and destabilise the team. But Misbah - a younger and much more highly educated man - was entrenched in a culture of seniority. He did not recognize that his senior duo needed to be broken up and replaced one at a time, and he did not recognize that the senior players, himself included, were not performing. Most shockingly, this educated, highly intelligent man could not grasp the tactics and team composition required for Australian conditions.

You could argue - and I have - that Mickey Arthur did not adapt his Test team composition to include a second and third spinner in Asia. But then again, his South African team defeated Inzamam's Pakistan Test team in Pakistan a decade earlier by playing four quicks and 1 spinner.

When Misbah retired, we finally saw Mickey Arthur get the opportunity to put his own stamp on the Pakistan team.

Arthur's youthful Pakistan drew 1-1 in England in a Test series just as Misbah's had drawn 2-2. They lost 3-0 in South Africa just as Misbah's had lost 3-0 in Australia. And they lost two Test series in the UAE against Sri Lanka and New Zealand, although much of the reason was because of the unsettled batting line-up created by Misbah and Younis' late and simultaneous retirements.

Under Mickey Arthur was could see that the senior players - Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Yasir Shah - completely failed to step up when they become the oldest members of the team. They were outperformed in Tests outside Asia not just by Babar Azam but by Shaheen Shah Afridi, Shadab Khan and even Faheem Ashraf.

It's fairly obvious that Mickey Arthur would not have taken any of those four senior players to Australia next month. Suddenly, however, Misbah is back in charge and not only will Azhar, Shafiq and Yasir all play, we will also see Rahat Ali and possibly even Imran Khan Sr recalled.

The culture clash is extraordinary.

Mickey Arthur had given youth a chance, and in Tests outside Asia and in white ball cricket the youngsters propelled Pakistan forward. Tests in the UAE were a problem, but there were no decent spinners coming through and the batting was poor against spin. Pakistan missed a World Cup Semi-Final on Net Run Rate only, after beating both finalists plus South Africa.

Suddenly Pakistan has replaced him with a younger man, a man more familiar with emerging youth talent in Pakistan. And yet his first acts have been to recall veteran players, to appoint as Test Captain an elderly batsman who is in obvious decline, and to throw out some of the youngsters.

By the end of Pakistan's last Test under Mickey Arthur, in South Africa, the leader of the bowling attack was 18 years old, Yasir Shah had been dropped for the 20 year old Shadab Khan (who scored a 50 and took 4 wickets) and there was finally a fourth seamer in the team in the shape of Faheem Ashraf (who took 6-99 in that Test).

Yasir Shah was dropped, and everyone knew that Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Sarfraz Ahmed were on their absolute last chance, playing to retain any Test future. Azhar scored 0 and 15, Shafiq scored 0 and 65 while Sarfraz scored 50 and 0.

Three mentally-weak senior players, playing for their Test lives, leading from the back by all scoring a duck in what should have been their last ever Test.

You would think that the only possible conclusion was that the senior players were not good enough to be retained and needed to be replaced by younger talent.

And yet now Misbah is the Head Coach and Chief Selector rolled into one and those failing veterans are back leading the team.

Mickey Arthur wrote that senior players over 30 who were still performing needed to be replaced one at a time each year to protect the team from ever enduring a transition period. Obviously failing senior players simply were to be dropped as soon as their performances faltered.

And now we have come full circle. Even failing senior players are preferred, because they have "experience".

To quote Jose Mourinho, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq (and Yasir Shah outside Asia) are specialists. Specialists in Failure.

But that experience in failure now seems to be a desired commodity.
 
Mickey Arthur was tactically inept.

Just a cursory look at his team selection and tactics for UAE Tests is an indicator of that.
 
Stop glorifying one of our worst eras under Mickey Arthur.

We started losing Test matches, even at home. He broke our unbeaten streak.

We went on our worst ODI losing streak under him.

It's time to come out of that dark era and start winning things that matter, Tests and ODIs. This won't happen overnight, and we need to start from winning at home first.

Misbah with his tactical brilliance and the respect he commands can do it. Let's assess and revisit this in 1-2 years when he's had the time to rebuild the team.

Never forget that Mickey Arthur took Malik, Hafeez and Sarfraz to the World Cup. He didn't have the guts to drop them, especially Sarfraz.
 
This is a fascinating write up but I will object to the notion that Mickey and his young players propelled the team forward in white ball cricket.

I think during Arthur’s reign, Pakistan made absolutely no progress as a white ball team.

Less than a year in his tenure, Pakistan did win a fluke Champions Trophy, but it was on the back of very sloppy fielding by Sri Lanka and catching two vastly superior teams in England and India on their off-days.

Moreover, the Champions Trophy flash in the pan success was built on the purple patches of an average bowler and a hack.

Two and three years in his term, Pakistan continued to remain a bog average ODI team.

In early 2018, he led them to a whitewash in New Zealand. In late 2018, after several months of pointless Zimbabwe bashing, he led his team to pure humiliation in the Asia Cup.

India reaffirmed that they were at least three levels above Pakistan even without Kohli, and how the Pakistan ODI team was closer to the likes of Afghanistan than India or England.

It is also worth pointing out that Arthur had his way and was able to have a squad without the baggage of the likes of Hafeez and Azhar.

The Asia Cup made it abundantly clear that Arthur had no idea how to take his deeply mediocre team forward.

The Asia Cup was followed by a historic losing streak where even the Law of Averages failed to overcome Pakistan’s mediocrity, and it needed a complete meltdown on the eventual world champion’s part for Pakistan to end their losing streak.

The opening match of the World Cup further proved that Arthur was out of his depth.

In spite of having the undeserved privilege of playing a 5 match series with England in England right before the World Cup, our campaign effectively ended in two hours when we got shot for a 100 against the West Indies.

This was the output of three years of Arthur’s work and it was not good enough by any the measure.

As far as T20s are concerned, the whole world knows that Pakistan’s number one ranking was completely bogus and did not have a shred of credibility.

Through the course of its so-called winning streak, Pakistan were basically one series away from getting pulverized by India in Asia Cup 2018 style, effectively destroying the perception and fake aura that it was a formidable T20 side.

That winning streak was built on beating underpowered, disinterested teams that struggled to play Imad with a straight bat in the PP overs.

India or England (not withstanding the one-off T20 in 2016) would not have any problems coping with him or the rest of a very ordinary assembly of players.

It was fairly obvious that Arthur’s fake number one team were going to get exposed big time in the World T20 in Australia next year, the only occasion where the proper teams take the format seriously.

In summary, while the Pakistan Test team visibly declined under Arthur in Test cricket and even managed to lose a match to West Indies at Sharjah in 2016 while both Misbah and Younis were present, they also failed to make any genuine progress in white ball cricket as well.

For the record, I don’t think Arthur is a bad coach. I think he was simply not the right man to lift a rapidly declining cricket nation with a conveyor belt of very mediocre cricketers and a cricket culture that is rotten to the core.

His complete lack of effectiveness meant that he clearly did not deserve to continue after the World Cup and had to go along with Sarfraz.

However, the incompetent duo of Mani and Wasim did not have the sensibility to sack Sarfraz and made Misbah the coach/selector with zero experience in either disciple.

Misbah is clearly not qualified for this job. He is a poor tactician and incapable of constructing a winning team.

The only reason his Test team held the Mace for three weeks was because of a washout between India and West Indies and because they didn’t play outside Asia for three years after getting humiliated in Zimbabwe. A very ordinary side that Mickey somehow managed to weaken even further.

Nevertheless, there is one good thing that did come out of Misbah’s appointment. He saw through Sarfraz’s circus act and made it clear to the PCB that he needed to dropped from all formats with immediate effect, allowing Babar to attain a position of authority that he has richly deserved for a while.

Also, unlike Arthur, Misbah is clearly not deluded over Pakistan’s fake ranking in T20s and understand that it is a poor side.

Unfortunately, the problem is that he is incapable of making things better in spite of understanding that things need to change. He lacks vision as well as the resources for successful implementation.

However, regardless of how his tenure ends, he should be remembered for his great service of getting rid of Sarfraz which is something Arthur, Inzamam and PCB were unable to achieve.
 
This is a fascinating write up but I will object to the notion that Mickey and his young players propelled the team forward in white ball cricket.

I think during Arthur’s reign, Pakistan made absolutely no progress as a white ball team.

Less than a year in his tenure, Pakistan did win a fluke Champions Trophy, but it was on the back of very sloppy fielding by Sri Lanka and catching two vastly superior teams in England and India on their off-days.

Moreover, the Champions Trophy flash in the pan success was built on the purple patches of an average bowler and a hack.

Two and three years in his term, Pakistan continued to remain a bog average ODI team.

In early 2018, he led them to a whitewash in New Zealand. In late 2018, after several months of pointless Zimbabwe bashing, he led his team to pure humiliation in the Asia Cup.

India reaffirmed that they were at least three levels above Pakistan even without Kohli, and how the Pakistan ODI team was closer to the likes of Afghanistan than India or England.

It is also worth pointing out that Arthur had his way and was able to have a squad without the baggage of the likes of Hafeez and Azhar.

The Asia Cup made it abundantly clear that Arthur had no idea how to take his deeply mediocre team forward.

The Asia Cup was followed by a historic losing streak where even the Law of Averages failed to overcome Pakistan’s mediocrity, and it needed a complete meltdown on the eventual world champion’s part for Pakistan to end their losing streak.

The opening match of the World Cup further proved that Arthur was out of his depth.

In spite of having the undeserved privilege of playing a 5 match series with England in England right before the World Cup, our campaign effectively ended in two hours when we got shot for a 100 against the West Indies.

This was the output of three years of Arthur’s work and it was not good enough by any the measure.

As far as T20s are concerned, the whole world knows that Pakistan’s number one ranking was completely bogus and did not have a shred of credibility.

Through the course of its so-called winning streak, Pakistan were basically one series away from getting pulverized by India in Asia Cup 2018 style, effectively destroying the perception and fake aura that it was a formidable T20 side.

That winning streak was built on beating underpowered, disinterested teams that struggled to play Imad with a straight bat in the PP overs.

India or England (not withstanding the one-off T20 in 2016) would not have any problems coping with him or the rest of a very ordinary assembly of players.

It was fairly obvious that Arthur’s fake number one team were going to get exposed big time in the World T20 in Australia next year, the only occasion where the proper teams take the format seriously.

In summary, while the Pakistan Test team visibly declined under Arthur in Test cricket and even managed to lose a match to West Indies at Sharjah in 2016 while both Misbah and Younis were present, they also failed to make any genuine progress in white ball cricket as well.

For the record, I don’t think Arthur is a bad coach. I think he was simply not the right man to lift a rapidly declining cricket nation with a conveyor belt of very mediocre cricketers and a cricket culture that is rotten to the core.

His complete lack of effectiveness meant that he clearly did not deserve to continue after the World Cup and had to go along with Sarfraz.

However, the incompetent duo of Mani and Wasim did not have the sensibility to sack Sarfraz and made Misbah the coach/selector with zero experience in either disciple.

Misbah is clearly not qualified for this job. He is a poor tactician and incapable of constructing a winning team.

The only reason his Test team held the Mace for three weeks was because of a washout between India and West Indies and because they didn’t play outside Asia for three years after getting humiliated in Zimbabwe. A very ordinary side that Mickey somehow managed to weaken even further.

Nevertheless, there is one good thing that did come out of Misbah’s appointment. He saw through Sarfraz’s circus act and made it clear to the PCB that he needed to dropped from all formats with immediate effect, allowing Babar to attain a position of authority that he has richly deserved for a while.

Also, unlike Arthur, Misbah is clearly not deluded over Pakistan’s fake ranking in T20s and understand that it is a poor side.

Unfortunately, the problem is that he is incapable of making things better in spite of understanding that things need to change. He lacks vision as well as the resources for successful implementation.

However, regardless of how his tenure ends, he should be remembered for his great service of getting rid of Sarfraz which is something Arthur, Inzamam and PCB were unable to achieve.


Very good points Mamoon. You summarized Arthur's tenure perfectly and why it was bad.

Misbah is good at rebuilding teams with a limited talent pool and getting the best out of then, so I think he is what we need to at least be competitive. Under Mickey Arthur, we had lost all semblance of being a decent, competitive side.

People really don't like Misbah's ODI Captaincy, but to be fair we win the Asia cup 2012 and made the 2014. final. We also best India in India in 2013, SA in SA ODI series as well in 2013-14. (With.AB, Amla etc. In their prunes) Feats Mickey Arthur could not even dream of.
 
Very good points Mamoon. You summarized Arthur's tenure perfectly and why it was bad.

Misbah is good at rebuilding teams with a limited talent pool and getting the best out of then, so I think he is what we need to at least be competitive. Under Mickey Arthur, we had lost all semblance of being a decent, competitive side.

People really don't like Misbah's ODI Captaincy, but to be fair we win the Asia cup 2012 and made the 2014. final. We also best India in India in 2013, SA in SA ODI series as well in 2013-14. (With.AB, Amla etc. In their prunes) Feats Mickey Arthur could not even dream of.

We caught India at the right time in 2012-2013. They were in transition - the likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj and Zaheer were finished, they were still playing Rohit in the middle-order and Dhawan wasn’t part of the team, while Shami and B. Kumar made their debuts in that series. That team was basically Kohli and Dhoni or nothing, and Kohli himself was not at his peak yet.

2012-2013 was the best time to play India in this decade, and both England and Pakistan capitalized in Tests and ODIs respectively.

Misbah was a poor ODI captain and not a quality ODI batsman either. However, he was very useful for a very poor batting unit. Without Misbah, Pakistan’s ODI batting was associate level, so his tuk tuk was often necessary to an extent.
 
This is a fascinating write up but I will object to the notion that Mickey and his young players propelled the team forward in white ball cricket.

I think during Arthur’s reign, Pakistan made absolutely no progress as a white ball team.

Less than a year in his tenure, Pakistan did win a fluke Champions Trophy, but it was on the back of very sloppy fielding by Sri Lanka and catching two vastly superior teams in England and India on their off-days.

Moreover, the Champions Trophy flash in the pan success was built on the purple patches of an average bowler and a hack.

Two and three years in his term, Pakistan continued to remain a bog average ODI team.

In early 2018, he led them to a whitewash in New Zealand. In late 2018, after several months of pointless Zimbabwe bashing, he led his team to pure humiliation in the Asia Cup.

India reaffirmed that they were at least three levels above Pakistan even without Kohli, and how the Pakistan ODI team was closer to the likes of Afghanistan than India or England.

It is also worth pointing out that Arthur had his way and was able to have a squad without the baggage of the likes of Hafeez and Azhar.

The Asia Cup made it abundantly clear that Arthur had no idea how to take his deeply mediocre team forward.

The Asia Cup was followed by a historic losing streak where even the Law of Averages failed to overcome Pakistan’s mediocrity, and it needed a complete meltdown on the eventual world champion’s part for Pakistan to end their losing streak.

The opening match of the World Cup further proved that Arthur was out of his depth.

In spite of having the undeserved privilege of playing a 5 match series with England in England right before the World Cup, our campaign effectively ended in two hours when we got shot for a 100 against the West Indies.

This was the output of three years of Arthur’s work and it was not good enough by any the measure.

As far as T20s are concerned, the whole world knows that Pakistan’s number one ranking was completely bogus and did not have a shred of credibility.

Through the course of its so-called winning streak, Pakistan were basically one series away from getting pulverized by India in Asia Cup 2018 style, effectively destroying the perception and fake aura that it was a formidable T20 side.

That winning streak was built on beating underpowered, disinterested teams that struggled to play Imad with a straight bat in the PP overs.

India or England (not withstanding the one-off T20 in 2016) would not have any problems coping with him or the rest of a very ordinary assembly of players.

It was fairly obvious that Arthur’s fake number one team were going to get exposed big time in the World T20 in Australia next year, the only occasion where the proper teams take the format seriously.

In summary, while the Pakistan Test team visibly declined under Arthur in Test cricket and even managed to lose a match to West Indies at Sharjah in 2016 while both Misbah and Younis were present, they also failed to make any genuine progress in white ball cricket as well.

For the record, I don’t think Arthur is a bad coach. I think he was simply not the right man to lift a rapidly declining cricket nation with a conveyor belt of very mediocre cricketers and a cricket culture that is rotten to the core.

His complete lack of effectiveness meant that he clearly did not deserve to continue after the World Cup and had to go along with Sarfraz.

However, the incompetent duo of Mani and Wasim did not have the sensibility to sack Sarfraz and made Misbah the coach/selector with zero experience in either disciple.

Misbah is clearly not qualified for this job. He is a poor tactician and incapable of constructing a winning team.

The only reason his Test team held the Mace for three weeks was because of a washout between India and West Indies and because they didn’t play outside Asia for three years after getting humiliated in Zimbabwe. A very ordinary side that Mickey somehow managed to weaken even further.

Nevertheless, there is one good thing that did come out of Misbah’s appointment. He saw through Sarfraz’s circus act and made it clear to the PCB that he needed to dropped from all formats with immediate effect, allowing Babar to attain a position of authority that he has richly deserved for a while.

Also, unlike Arthur, Misbah is clearly not deluded over Pakistan’s fake ranking in T20s and understand that it is a poor side.

Unfortunately, the problem is that he is incapable of making things better in spite of understanding that things need to change. He lacks vision as well as the resources for successful implementation.

However, regardless of how his tenure ends, he should be remembered for his great service of getting rid of Sarfraz which is something Arthur, Inzamam and PCB were unable to achieve.






I definitely think we made progress even though it may not have been sustained progress. Imad, Babar, Haris, Shadab, Hassan (some fades away rather quickly, Fakhar, Imam etc all game after Mickey’s appointment and we started scoring 300 occasionally

Compared to Misbah’s era of dross like Farhat Bhatti Anwar Maqsood Shahzad etc.
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], sacking Sarfraz, which Mickey could have never done, is a huge step forward.

Also Misbah understands our T20 rankings are fake (they don't matter anyway).

These are two things which indicate he has the right insight and vision for our cricket moving forward. I understand why you're not so hopeful after the recent T20 debacle, but you shouldn't take that seriously.

It was just pointless bilateral T20s, and he hasn't had the time to build a team yet either.

What Misbah at least will do is be better than Mickey Arthur and his dark era. That shouldn't be too hard to do.

And in a year or two, once he's had the time to work with the team and rebuild it, I'm certain we'll see a lot more positives.
 
Arthur was tactically bad, Misbah is going to bring back 80s cricket and also pick all the oldies in domestic.
 
This is a fascinating write up but I will object to the notion that Mickey and his young players propelled the team forward in white ball cricket.

I think during Arthur’s reign, Pakistan made absolutely no progress as a white ball team.

Less than a year in his tenure, Pakistan did win a fluke Champions Trophy, but it was on the back of very sloppy fielding by Sri Lanka and catching two vastly superior teams in England and India on their off-days.

Moreover, the Champions Trophy flash in the pan success was built on the purple patches of an average bowler and a hack.

Two and three years in his term, Pakistan continued to remain a bog average ODI team.

In early 2018, he led them to a whitewash in New Zealand. In late 2018, after several months of pointless Zimbabwe bashing, he led his team to pure humiliation in the Asia Cup.

India reaffirmed that they were at least three levels above Pakistan even without Kohli, and how the Pakistan ODI team was closer to the likes of Afghanistan than India or England.

It is also worth pointing out that Arthur had his way and was able to have a squad without the baggage of the likes of Hafeez and Azhar.

The Asia Cup made it abundantly clear that Arthur had no idea how to take his deeply mediocre team forward.

The Asia Cup was followed by a historic losing streak where even the Law of Averages failed to overcome Pakistan’s mediocrity, and it needed a complete meltdown on the eventual world champion’s part for Pakistan to end their losing streak.

The opening match of the World Cup further proved that Arthur was out of his depth.

In spite of having the undeserved privilege of playing a 5 match series with England in England right before the World Cup, our campaign effectively ended in two hours when we got shot for a 100 against the West Indies.

This was the output of three years of Arthur’s work and it was not good enough by any the measure.

As far as T20s are concerned, the whole world knows that Pakistan’s number one ranking was completely bogus and did not have a shred of credibility.

Through the course of its so-called winning streak, Pakistan were basically one series away from getting pulverized by India in Asia Cup 2018 style, effectively destroying the perception and fake aura that it was a formidable T20 side.

That winning streak was built on beating underpowered, disinterested teams that struggled to play Imad with a straight bat in the PP overs.

India or England (not withstanding the one-off T20 in 2016) would not have any problems coping with him or the rest of a very ordinary assembly of players.

It was fairly obvious that Arthur’s fake number one team were going to get exposed big time in the World T20 in Australia next year, the only occasion where the proper teams take the format seriously.

In summary, while the Pakistan Test team visibly declined under Arthur in Test cricket and even managed to lose a match to West Indies at Sharjah in 2016 while both Misbah and Younis were present, they also failed to make any genuine progress in white ball cricket as well.

For the record, I don’t think Arthur is a bad coach. I think he was simply not the right man to lift a rapidly declining cricket nation with a conveyor belt of very mediocre cricketers and a cricket culture that is rotten to the core.

His complete lack of effectiveness meant that he clearly did not deserve to continue after the World Cup and had to go along with Sarfraz.

However, the incompetent duo of Mani and Wasim did not have the sensibility to sack Sarfraz and made Misbah the coach/selector with zero experience in either disciple.

Misbah is clearly not qualified for this job. He is a poor tactician and incapable of constructing a winning team.

The only reason his Test team held the Mace for three weeks was because of a washout between India and West Indies and because they didn’t play outside Asia for three years after getting humiliated in Zimbabwe. A very ordinary side that Mickey somehow managed to weaken even further.

Nevertheless, there is one good thing that did come out of Misbah’s appointment. He saw through Sarfraz’s circus act and made it clear to the PCB that he needed to dropped from all formats with immediate effect, allowing Babar to attain a position of authority that he has richly deserved for a while.

Also, unlike Arthur, Misbah is clearly not deluded over Pakistan’s fake ranking in T20s and understand that it is a poor side.

Unfortunately, the problem is that he is incapable of making things better in spite of understanding that things need to change. He lacks vision as well as the resources for successful implementation.

However, regardless of how his tenure ends, he should be remembered for his great service of getting rid of Sarfraz which is something Arthur, Inzamam and PCB were unable to achieve.

Excellent points. But i think you missed the key difference. Misbah has completely autonomy in making selection choices without interference. During Mickeys tenure, Inzamam was the chief selector and on mamy occasions Mickey was not given the team he wanted.

An example is, Inzamam excluding rizwan and shinwari from the world cup squad. Mickey clearly said he felt shinwari and rizwan deserved to be in the squad and expressed shock at hasnain being picked over shinwari.

Mickey was always honest in his views that "faheem is a bowler that can bat a bit" " wahab has not won us a match in two years" .
 
I actually think that by 2019, Mickey Arthur's team was over-performing in both the 20 and 50 over formats.

Pakistan's talent pool is rather limited currently, and 5th place at the 50 overs World Cup was pretty much spot on.

In terms of Tests, the same applies. Pakistan is weak in Asian conditions because after Zulfiqar Babar and Abdul Rehman aged there was no viable second spinner. They are decent in English and Irish conditions and have potential in Australian and South African conditions.....but only if they get rid of the TTFs.
 
This will be a good thread to look back on in two years when this notion that Misbah is a better coach than Mickey will end.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] this thread needs your views on what boss said. i feel arthur and woolmer were inspired by the same school of thought and management that drove Alec Fergusons philosophy and maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is distinctly aware of it. he made a lot of unpopular decisions and got rid of ageing players who still had a lot to offer quite often by refreshing his teams and including younger/lesser known players with much to prove. It ensured that big transitions and lulls almost never occured.
 
Fascinating read from both [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].
 
I definitely think we made progress even though it may not have been sustained progress. Imad, Babar, Haris, Shadab, Hassan (some fades away rather quickly, Fakhar, Imam etc all game after Mickey’s appointment and we started scoring 300 occasionally

Compared to Misbah’s era of dross like Farhat Bhatti Anwar Maqsood Shahzad etc.

Mickey’s Pakistan would probably beat Misbah’s Pakistan 5-0 in an ODI series, but improvement is relative to other teams. Teams like England, India and New Zealand have also improved which has ensured that our results haven’t really improved. We don’t seem capable of bridging the obvious gap between us and the top sides.
 
Excellent points. But i think you missed the key difference. Misbah has completely autonomy in making selection choices without interference. During Mickeys tenure, Inzamam was the chief selector and on mamy occasions Mickey was not given the team he wanted.

An example is, Inzamam excluding rizwan and shinwari from the world cup squad. Mickey clearly said he felt shinwari and rizwan deserved to be in the squad and expressed shock at hasnain being picked over shinwari.

Mickey was always honest in his views that "faheem is a bowler that can bat a bit" " wahab has not won us a match in two years" .

I think Mickey had a fair amount of influence on selection matters. Pakistan stopped selecting proper spinners as soon as he became the coach, and he did get rid of the likes of Wahab and Hafeez (temporarily). I don’t think Mickey is capable of constructing a winning team and doesn’t really understand team combinations. He also refuses to learn from mistakes.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] this thread needs your views on what boss said. i feel arthur and woolmer were inspired by the same school of thought and management that drove Alec Fergusons philosophy and maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is distinctly aware of it. he made a lot of unpopular decisions and got rid of ageing players who still had a lot to offer quite often by refreshing his teams and including younger/lesser known players with much to prove. It ensured that big transitions and lulls almost never occured.

I agree on many points of OP regarding Arthur and Misbah. Apart from the beard part, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] probably has explained Misbah's psychology perfectly - BUT, that doesn't help Arthur's cause.

He was technically one of the best coaches around and the improvement in PAK's batting is quite evident there. But, Arthur failed miserably in the critical aspect of managing a team like Pakistan - he didn't integrate into the core essence of PAK cricket, which is based on individualism. Instead, Arthur tried to implant his own philosophy and he was too stubborn to change, to learn - his tactics didn't suit his team, his venues and his combination was flawed. I take a quote from OP - "in PAK you have a choice to retire ....", so true, but bitter truth also is that Arthur was there to manage PCT, not Australia (and he burnt the bridge there as well). Woolmer indeed was pioneer of that same thought and he also had a similar outcome - brilliant coach for Warwickshire, SAF and brilliant coach for developing Lara, Kallis, Kluesner, Shaun Pollock, Gibbs .... but a failure with PCT.

Coming to Misbah (as Coach, we have discussed enough of his Captaincy, which is irrelevant in his new job), I can only say that it's early times - let's not judge the man before trial. Apart from few jingoists here, probably everyone knows how good (or bad) current PAK squad is therefore judging Misbah on a set benchmark won't be fair. But, so far what I have seen, I'll give him more marks as Selector than Coach.

This comparison isn't fair because as a coach, it's not even comparable but we can't blame Misbah for that - he was the chosen one and a good chunk of responsibility of that (why Misbah is Coach), must be attributed to Arthur as well. We should remember that, after a strong start, Arthur went to compromise route and he was more interested to keep his job safe.
 
For me this is simply style against skill

Pakistan have never been a stylish team and all arthurs hard work on his four horsemen Faheem,shadab,imam and imad will eventually vanish as they may have the confidence, the professionalism and the attire but ultimately apart from imam they have not performed on the pitch too

Misbah is trying to go for skill which is why khushdil and the fast bowlers are in the squads. Arthur would never have gone for potential unless your name is shaheen shah afridi where all Arthur’s eggs were in the bowling department

Maybe we will see the return of shadab and Faheem to the test line up after the Australian tour, time will tell in the long run
 
Mickey Arthur left the white ball teams in a stronger place than the one he inherited. In June 2016 when he took over, we were ranked 9th in ODIs and 7th in T20s, with qualification for the 2019 World Cup in doubt. We had a disappointing 2015 World Cup campaign followed by a historic 3-0 whitewash at the hands of Bangladesh, and a dismal group stage exit from the 2016 World T20 where we were easily the worst fielding unit of the tournament. Our ODI batting was hopelessly outdated with a misfit captain Azhar Ali epitomising our outdated mindset.

How easily people forget the mess he inherited !

By the time he left, we finished 5th in the 2019 World Cup only losing out to New Zealand on NRR, and ranked 1st in T20s. Against the countries that competed in the World Cup, Arthur’s ODI W/L ratio of 0.735 is significantly better than his predecessor Waqar Younis (0.347). Only twice under Waqar did Pakistan amass 300+ totals against the other nine top ODI sides, whereas Arthur’s team did so on 14 occasions. Pakistan’s Runs Per Over and bowling average also improved. And of course, Pakistan won its first ICC 50 over tournament since 1992 with the 2017 Champions Trophy. These are FACTS not opinions.

Mickey had an excellent record on player development. Name me another Pakistani coach who injected as much young or new blood into the Pakistan setup as he did with the likes of Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Shaheen Afridi, Shadab Khan, Mohammed Hasnain, Imam-ul-Haq, Mohammed Abbas, Fakhar Zaman and Usman Shinwari all making debuts or given extended runs under his watch.

Mickey introduced fitness testing and standards more rigorous than at any time in Pakistan cricket history, but wasn't able to fully contend with ingrained cultural habits. However he made an example of Umar Akmal in 2017 and expelled him from the side in a long overdue public show of discipline, whilst Wahab Riaz also bore the brunt for poor attitude in training in 2018.

Fielding progress sadly eroded after the departure of Steve Rixon, but there was a 12 month period where Pakistan were outperforming South Africa and New Zealand in terms of catching percentage ! When could Pakistan, laughing stock of the world in the fielding department, boast of such a statistic in its entire history ?

The downfall was sad as Pakistan racked up a terrible series of ODI results after the 2018 Asia Cup. Yes Mickey did not have a good eye for spinners and never seemed comfortable with the attritional tempo of cricket that Asian conditions produce. However I maintain the problems lie deeper with Pakistan's flawed domestic and grassroots cricket (overhauled only after Mickey's departure so his successor will reap the rewards), and having a non-performing skipper in Sarfraz Ahmed worsened the situation.

Of course Mickey's Test returns were disappointing, especially the two UAE series defeats to Sri Lanka and New Zealand. However one can argue losing two stalwarts in Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq would’ve meant a difficult transition for ANY coach in his position. Not to mention unlike his predecessors in Dav Whatmore and Waqar Younis – the Test schedule has been far more uncompromising with away trips to Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and two to England in a three year cycle!

Nevertheless, Misbah needs to build on the foundations Mickey laid instead of tearing things up as he needlessly did in the Sri Lanka T20 series to his cost. Misbah needs to avoid a scattergun selection policy and identify a core group of 16-18 players he wants to work with for the long-term. I'm most concerned about his coaching inexperience, however he deserves time to implement his vision.
 
No matter how we glorify and what words we use the fact is Pak team didnt do any thing outside CT17 and ODI series vs Srl, Wi and Zim. We have lost every ODI series against top 5 teams and except against India we played against everyone of them under Mickey's guidance.
 
I believe that Mickey was reluctant to upset too many people within the corridors of Pakistan cricket. He was the outsider and an easy target as the foreigner there just for the money. He probably wanted to upset and kick out a few more players but was scared to.

With Misbah, he is from within the system, has a 3 year contract, he will not be scared to give a few kicks up the backside to players.
 
No matter how we glorify and what words we use the fact is Pak team didnt do any thing outside CT17 and ODI series vs Srl, Wi and Zim. We have lost every ODI series against top 5 teams and except against India we played against everyone of them under Mickey's guidance.
What about T20s and improvemnt in ranking and WC?
 
Mickey’s big sin for a lot of folks was that he wanted all rounders in the test team. He wanted Shadab and a Faheem to be in the test team. And he was willing to play them in the UAE. Fans had grown to Pakistan basically becoming India of the 90’s. Scoring heavily at home and winning with spinners on the last of a test match with roads for pitches. Mickey was unwilling to do horses for courses in test cricket: he wanted a Pakistan team with one or two allrounders.
And obviously he didn’t want honest trier uncles like Imran Khan or Sohail Khan around. In the end he go hit at both ends - his allrounders did decently in tests but were off color in Odis and t20’s. And in the batting department he was mortally wounded by timidity and mediocrity of sarfaraz, Azhar, and Shafiq.
With misbah back as coach, I expect we will go back to the same formula: get demolished abroad and play like lions at home.

The one final thing I would say about these two guys: [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
Mickey Arthur had the audacity of ambition whereas Misbah was a safety first captain and player.
Remains to be seen if he can change that : his tinkering of the t20 side and the selection for the Australia tour doesn’t inspire.
 
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I believe that Mickey was reluctant to upset too many people within the corridors of Pakistan cricket. He was the outsider and an easy target as the foreigner there just for the money. He probably wanted to upset and kick out a few more players but was scared to.

With Misbah, he is from within the system, has a 3 year contract, he will not be scared to give a few kicks up the backside to players.
Mickey was haunted by his setbacks with Cricket Australia. All ppl wanted to talk about was homework gate and his clashes with the players. He basically bided his time while Misbah and YK were around. He didn’t want to get a permanent reputation as a coach who clashes with his players.
In the odi side he was cursed to carry Hafeez and Malik.
I think he ahold have stuck around longer. Having seen how things went for Inzamam I don’t expect Misbah to be any more secure than previous coaches. The Karachi press and ex players moyo, Akhtar, Rashid, and yes YK (indirectly) will not make his job easier
 
I believe that Mickey was reluctant to upset too many people within the corridors of Pakistan cricket. He was the outsider and an easy target as the foreigner there just for the money. He probably wanted to upset and kick out a few more players but was scared to.

With Misbah, he is from within the system, has a 3 year contract, he will not be scared to give a few kicks up the backside to players.

Mickey Arthur had his own biased likes and dis likes which he was unwilling to change for the greater good of the team.

A sign of a quality captain coach is when you axe, drop a player you personally love and pick a player in your team that you cannot stand personally for the greater good of the team.

He deservedly got shown the door at the end
 
Mickey Arthur had his own biased likes and dis likes which he was unwilling to change for the greater good of the team.

A sign of a quality captain coach is when you axe, drop a player you personally love and pick a player in your team that you cannot stand personally for the greater good of the team.

He deservedly got shown the door at the end

All coaches do.

I'm referring to the levels of power now - Misbah's is far greater.
 
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