Mickey Arthur and Sarfraz Ahmed : Say one thing in the media, do exactly the opposite in practice!

[Hawkeye]

"We will play an aggressive brand of cricket".

"We're ranked 8th and have nothing to lose, pressure is on them".

How many times in the last one year have you seen Mickey Arthur continuously say in every press conference that they will play an aggressive brand of cricket, and will not play dot balls?

Probably in every press conference. Same for Sarfraz.

However, the reality is totally the opposite. Let go of the ability. There's absolutely NO INTENT by our top order to play fast. There's absolutely no intent to even take singles.

There has been no intent in this match too, we've played over 10 overs of dot balls in the first 18 overs.

Irony? Mickey Arthur & Sarfraz keep backing these players, they have NOT set a criteria that if you play dot balls you will get dropped.

They keep asking for these players from the selection committee, when the CS has given them full selection powers.

This cannot go on forever. Team management needs to be held accountable. They cannot allow their players to bat with NO intent and devise such 90s-era strategy for every freakin game.

 

[Macho Mann]

mickey arthur is the real culprit here along with inzemam

sarfraz just does what mickey says him to do

but there is also a role of PCB as well, sarfraz was complained for not keeping his 'cool and calm'

i think sarfraz has realized, in order to keep captaincy he'll have to do what PCB and mickey tells him otherwise would be booted out immediately

 

[Hawkeye]

"We will play modern cricket" - press conference.

Reality:

1. Drops the only aggressive batsmen in Fakhar Zaman and Fahim Ashraf (BOTH IN THE SQUAD!!!!!!!!!)

2. Recalls Ahmed Shehzad

3. Recalls Azhar Ali

4. Starts bowling with a darter in Imad Wasim.

5. Fills the batting with Azhar, Shehzad, Hafeez, Malik.

 

[boomboom6]

He also played your beloved Wahab, why don't you own up to that? Or are you still in denial about Riaz being atrocious?

 

[Madplayer]

How could you select wahab when he has been atrocious for over a year now?

Hafeez? Shehzad? Azhar? When will.we learn that these guys arent good enough?

 

[Syed1]

Mickey Arthur was fired from each of his previous jobs for a reason.

 

[Hawkeye]

He also played your beloved Wahab, why don't you own up to that? Or are you still in denial about Riaz being atrocious?

When did I say Wahab isn't atrocious? Everyone on this forum chose the lesser evil in Wahab over Junaid.

They both shouldn't play for Pakistan.

I wanted Sohail Khan.

 

[boomboom6]

Given the circumstances Junaid would've been 100x the better option, a far superior wicket taking option with the new ball.

And yes Sohail was hard done and thus we deserve this humiliation ... Until we don't select on merit we don't deserve to win.

 

[cricketInsight]

Fact is there are only 2 international batsmen in this team: Azam & Malik.

The rest are not even good enough to play for top first class teams.

 

[LegendInzi]

Well they played the squad they promised

 

[TahirFan]

"We will play an aggressive brand of cricket".

Hmm Imad opens the bowling in cloudy overcast conditions. That's not aggressive

 

[Itachi]

Well they played the squad they promised

That's the sign of true man. Never backed out from the words.

 

[Pete Rose]

i dont think arthur is the issue. if you replace him and put in anyone else, you are playing easy tours in dubai after this. you will never realize that against top flight competition you have the same issue.

 

[someone21]

Why blame only them? It's fans who still keep hyping and over-rating some average players like Shezhad

 

[carbon11]

Arthur needs to go

Waqar younis needs to comeback along with shoaib akhter as fast bowling coach
Mushtaq and saqlain as spin bowling coach
Yousaf as batting coach

Younis misbah should be made coaches of the Pakistan a teams and youth teams

 

[Pete Rose]

you have to cut them slack. what are they supposed to do when the squad selected has ahzar, shehzad, hafeez, malik.

 

[Hawkeye]

Well they played the squad they promised

And they get the blame for playing this team. And, the strategy as well.

i dont think arthur is the issue. if you replace him and put in anyone else, you are playing easy tours in dubai after this. you will never realize that against top flight competition you have the same issue.

Why blame only them? It's fans who still keep hyping and over-rating some average players like Shezhad

You cannot be serious. They SELECTED these guys!!! Fans can cry over random internet forums all they want. They are in charge. They devise strategy, they pick the XI, they pick the squad, call / block selections.

Who are the PROVEN aggressive batsmen in the freakin squad?

1. Fakhar and 2. Fahim Ashraf.

What did Arthur/Sarfraz do? DROP THEM from the team! ) ) )

What is Haris Sohail? Certainly better than the other bats we have! Dropped him from the XI!

Recalled Shehzad and Azhar as openers. They're the ones who did it.

 

[Madplayer]

Arthur needs to go

Waqar younis needs to comeback along with shoaib akhter as fast bowling coach
Mushtaq and saqlain as spin bowling coach
Yousaf as batting coach

Younis misbah should be made coaches of the Pakistan a teams and youth teams

it wont change a thing. These many egos will kill each other in the dressing roon.

 

[Pete Rose]

And they get the blame for playing this team. And, the strategy as well.






You cannot be serious. They SELECTED these guys!!! Fans can cry over random internet forums all they want. They are in charge. They devise strategy, they pick the XI, they pick the squad, call / block selections.

Who are the PROVEN aggressive batsmen in the freakin squad?

1. Fakhar and 2. Fahim Ashraf.

What did Arthur/Sarfraz do? DROP THEM from the team! ) ) )

What is Haris Sohail? Certainly better than the other bats we have! Dropped him from the XI!

Recalled Shehzad and Azhar as openers. They're the ones who did it.

man..dont be like that.
since when do we have pakistani set up where you disregard these "Senior" players and select young guys.
try to see the politics of this.
Inzi selected the squad, he gave them rubbish players (including hafeez and malik) and gave them a bunch of green guys.
knowing the pakistani set up, this is what coach and captain are thinking: if i dont play them, there will be pressure from press, and selectors and fans. if i play them and they fail i can pin it on the selectors and ask for wholesale changes.

 

[boomboom6]

i dont think arthur is the issue. if you replace him and put in anyone else, you are playing easy tours in dubai after this. you will never realize that against top flight competition you have the same issue.

We have Fakhar, Haris, Fahim and Junaid in the squad yet this champion of talking but good for nothing 'coach' went with the same mediocre bunch expecting a different outcome. He is PART of the issue.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

And they get the blame for playing this team. And, the strategy as well.






You cannot be serious. They SELECTED these guys!!! Fans can cry over random internet forums all they want. They are in charge. They devise strategy, they pick the XI, they pick the squad, call / block selections.

Who are the PROVEN aggressive batsmen in the freakin squad?

1. Fakhar and 2. Fahim Ashraf.

What did Arthur/Sarfraz do? DROP THEM from the team! ) ) )

What is Haris Sohail? Certainly better than the other bats we have! Dropped him from the XI!

Recalled Shehzad and Azhar as openers. They're the ones who did it.

You missed [MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION] point.

If you replace Arthur now, he doesnt get the easy desert tours that Waqar got or anyone replacing him will get.

We all know Pakistan flops abroad.

Why do we think that any new coach other than Arthur would hv changed that tradition?

 

[boomboom6]

And they get the blame for playing this team. And, the strategy as well.






You cannot be serious. They SELECTED these guys!!! Fans can cry over random internet forums all they want. They are in charge. They devise strategy, they pick the XI, they pick the squad, call / block selections.

Who are the PROVEN aggressive batsmen in the freakin squad?

1. Fakhar and 2. Fahim Ashraf.

What did Arthur/Sarfraz do? DROP THEM from the team! ) ) )

What is Haris Sohail? Certainly better than the other bats we have! Dropped him from the XI!

Recalled Shehzad and Azhar as openers. They're the ones who did it.

Yup here I agree with you. All on Arthur and Sarfraz

 

[shane]

I would not blame the management. I do think they want their players to play aggressive cricket. They just do not have the talent. It is as simple as that.

For so long people have been talking about how much talent there is in Pakistan. But it is not true.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

You cannot simply make donkeys into racehorses...

 

[Pete Rose]

We have Fakhar, Haris, Fahim and Junaid in the squad yet this champion of talking but good for nothing 'coach' went with the same mediocre bunch expecting a different outcome. He is PART of the issue.

man, i dont know what to tell you, if you dont know this is how things go in the pakistani set up.
this rot is institutional.
if arther dropped all these losers and played the younger guys and we lost, i can guarantee you no one will have his back.

 

[soulhunter]

Amongst the oldies group of azhar ali, hafeez, wahab and malik only malik deserves to be continued. Atleast he showed intent from ball 1. Azhar ali tried his best so cant be blamed he is a limited odi player, not his headache inzi the revolutionary selected him. Jury is out on imad against top sides but I will give him a few chances. !/10 to micky and sarfraz. Pathetic selections.

 

[Hawkeye]

You missed [MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION] point.

If you replace Arthur now, he doesnt get the easy desert tours that Waqar got or anyone replacing him will get.

We all know Pakistan flops abroad.

Why do we think that any new coach other than Arthur would hv changed that tradition?

Who said Waqar is any good?

Waqar, however, did not claim in every freakin press conference that he will play the modern brand of cricket. He was a conservative.

Mickey does however claim that in press conferences, and does exactly the opposite when selecting the playing XI (from the squad) or selecting players for the squad.

He had 3 good batsmen kicked out of the playing XI today, benched them.

He started bowling with a darter in Imad and let Ind get away.

You cannot explain this, if they really want to play aggressive cricket. Is there any criteria that a player will get dropped if he plays at X strike rate or dot ball percentage?

 

[Savak]

Who said Waqar is any good?

Waqar, however, did not claim in every freakin press conference that he will play the modern brand of cricket. He was a conservative.

Mickey does however claim that in press conferences, and does exactly the opposite when selecting the playing XI (from the squad) or selecting players for the squad.

He had 3 good batsmen kicked out of the playing XI today, benched them.

He started bowling with a darter in Imad and let Ind get away.

You cannot explain this, if they really want to play aggressive cricket. Is there any criteria that a player will get dropped if he plays at X strike rate or dot ball percentage?

You have a coach saying all the right things, but the players are not going out there and executing. The problem appears much deeper and maybe its time to hold the players accountable.

 

[Hawkeye]

You have a coach saying all the right things, but the players are not going out there and executing. The problem appears much deeper and maybe its time to hold the players accountable.

Yes, that's my point.

But coach and captain are NOT doing that. How is it so hard to understand? Who benched Fakhar Zaman, Fahim Ashraf and Haris Sohail today?

Mickey/Sarfraz. They're the only 3 batsmen who can play the modern game. Who recalled Shehzad+Azhar?

Coach/captain has full say in selection matters in inzi's era. They will be held accountable if they keep sticking to these poor players. We cannot hold these players accountable. Only management can.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Who said Waqar is any good?

Waqar, however, did not claim in every freakin press conference that he will play the modern brand of cricket. He was a conservative.

Mickey does however claim that in press conferences, and does exactly the opposite when selecting the playing XI (from the squad) or selecting players for the squad.

He had 3 good batsmen kicked out of the playing XI today, benched them.

He started bowling with a darter in Imad and let Ind get away.

You cannot explain this, if they really want to play aggressive cricket. Is there any criteria that a player will get dropped if he plays at X strike rate or dot ball percentage?

I am all for sacking Arthur.

But at least the sacking should be on prinicple.

For instance,

1. He was given goals he didnt achieve.

2. He was given goals but he looks so far away from them that it would be implausible to remain in contract.

3. He was given goals but he feels he hasnt been able to fulfil them or to do justice to them.

4. PCB Feels retaining Arthur would be detrimental to the further progress of the cricket team and Pakistan cricket in general.

Look, we can all argue and say Arthur claimed aggression and dropped this and that.

The truth is dropping Joe and keeping Henry wouldnt have made a bit of difference for our team.

People are bashing you for retaining Wahab. Junaid would have been deposited just as earnestly.

The players are not huge improvements over other because the system on the whole is rotten.

If we want to Sack Arthur then PCB should be very clear on the reason they want this to happen or will let it happen.

They cant say u claimed to play aggressively but u dropped Joe and retained Henry who was better.

Its PCB who decides if 3 foreign tours are enough to sack him or retain him.

We dont.

 

[Markhor]

Arthur needs to go

Waqar younis needs to comeback along with shoaib akhter as fast bowling coach
Mushtaq and saqlain as spin bowling coach
Yousaf as batting coach

Younis misbah should be made coaches of the Pakistan a teams and youth teams

Where were we in ODIs in Waqar ? We were tottering in 9th place having received Banglawash for first time in our history, got another whitewash at "home" to Australia, lost twice to New Zealand away, lost to Sri Lanka in 2014 and shelled an ODI to Zimbabwe.

We cannot keep hiring and firing and neglect to change the underlying domestic structure which is wholly inadequate in producing the international ready talent we need.

 

[MenInG]

They dont play for 10 or 11 others

 

[Syed1]

Where were we in ODIs in Waqar ? We were tottering in 9th place having received Banglawash for first time in our history, got another whitewash at "home" to Australia, lost twice to New Zealand away, lost to Sri Lanka in 2014 and shelled an ODI to Zimbabwe.

We cannot keep hiring and firing and neglect to change the underlying domestic structure which is wholly inadequate in producing the international ready talent we need.

Yeah Waqar is to blame for today's loss.


Mickey's defenders never fail to amaze me

 

[Hawkeye]

I am all for sacking Arthur.

But at least the sacking should be on prinicple.

For instance,

1. He was given goals he didnt achieve.

2. He was given goals but he looks so far away from them that it would be implausible to remain in contract.

3. He was given goals but he feels he hasnt been able to fulfil them or to do justice to them.

4. PCB Feels retaining Arthur would be detrimental to the further progress of the cricket team and Pakistan cricket in general.

Look, we can all argue and say Arthur claimed aggression and dropped this and that.

The truth is dropping Joe and keeping Henry wouldnt have made a bit of difference for our team.

People are bashing you for retaining Wahab. Junaid would have been deposited just as earnestly.

The players are not huge improvements over other because the system on the whole is rotten.

If we want to Sack Arthur then PCB should be very clear on the reason they want this to happen or will let it happen.

They cant say u claimed to play aggressively but u dropped Joe and retained Henry who was better.

Its PCB who decides if 3 foreign tours are enough to sack him or retain him.

We dont.

You're right, but I'm not calling for Arthur to be sacked.

At least not yet.

I want him to be held accountable, and make him realize that he needs to make tough decisions. For now, the only option is to try other players and drop the ones who are in the team for YEARS like a plague.

Others at least have some potential. Least he can do is give them a chance instead of benching them, they're in the squad for heaven's sake.

 

[moghul]

Hafeez was preferred over Fakhir and Sohail Harris due to his bowling-------------and he did not bowl.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

"We will play an aggressive brand of cricket".

"We're ranked 8th and have nothing to lose, pressure is on them".

How many times in the last one year have you seen Mickey Arthur continuously say in every press conference that they will play an aggressive brand of cricket, and will not play dot balls?

Probably in every press conference. Same for Sarfraz.

However, the reality is totally the opposite. Let go of the ability. There's absolutely NO INTENT by our top order to play fast. There's absolutely no intent to even take singles.

There has been no intent in this match too, we've played over 10 overs of dot balls in the first 18 overs.

Irony? Mickey Arthur & Sarfraz keep backing these players, they have NOT set a criteria that if you play dot balls you will get dropped.

They keep asking for these players from the selection committee, when the CS has given them full selection powers.

This cannot go on forever. Team management needs to be held accountable. They cannot allow their players to bat with NO intent and devise such 90s-era strategy for every freakin game.

Sorry.


Mickey is a Coach not a player. Blame the Captain and players who were on the field.

 

[Slog]

Where were we in ODIs in Waqar ? We were tottering in 9th place having received Banglawash for first time in our history, got another whitewash at "home" to Australia, lost twice to New Zealand away, lost to Sri Lanka in 2014 and shelled an ODI to Zimbabwe.

We cannot keep hiring and firing and neglect to change the underlying domestic structure which is wholly inadequate in producing the international ready talent we need.

if Mickey takes this team to Bangladesh he will get his behind handed to him. You and I know it

He should be thanking his lucky stars that the tour to Bangladesh is cancelled

 

[Markhor]