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Mickey Arthur, Sir, please watch the Net Run Rate (NRR)!

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For those with weak memories, recall the hammering in the 2019 tournament opener against the West Indies!

We never recovered from that NRR issue and that ultimately cost us a semi-final berth.

Hope we have learn't our lessons and will watch the NRR number.

Even if we lose, we must not be hammered into submission - play sensibly and keep that number within sane levels.

Just to remind every one the NRR situation at end of the Group Stage of the 2019 WC:

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Indeed.

NRR is a major factor in a big tournament. You never know when you may need it.
 
Its sad that we are have to talk abt NRR just after Game 1
 
Rana said:
It’s not Mickey Arthur who can control these boys

You need to pose the question to Babar Azam. These guys don’t believe in nrr
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Babar only relies on bizarre situations like Netherlands winning vs South Africa, or matches getting washed out to qualify for next rounds.
 
MenInG said:
For those with weak memories, recall the hammering in the 2019 tournament opener against the West Indies!

We never recovered from that NRR issue and that ultimately cost us a semi-final berth.

Hope we have learn't our lessons and will watch the NRR number.

Even if we lose, we must not be hammered into submission - play sensibly and keep that number with sane levels.

Just to remind every one the NRR situation at end of the Group Stage of the 2019 WC:

XDAAmsi.png
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Spot on anysis, every run in every match counts, problem is Pakistan have a habit of one really heavy defeat during world cups
 
Rana said:
It’s not Mickey Arthur who can control these boys

You need to pose the question to Babar Azam. These guys don’t believe in nrr
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Mickey Arthur is paid millions to do a decent job and make up for the dumbness of Babar
 
If possible, Pakistan batters need to set this up for us - great chance to get that NRR in the right place.
 
As I said in another thread, this format is killer for Pakistan… in a bad way.

Chances of a mercurial heist if you lost to NL or whatever minnow is very low here, it’s not like the t20 WC that you could beat a tournament favorite like SA and hope for 1 upset after getting smashed by Zimb.

*Cue 1992 WC montage.*
 
Play out the 50 overs now against Netherlands - get what they can.
 
We don't care about the NRR because we are going to win every match enroute to the final.
 
The net run rate is low because we are not confident playing out all the overs. We don’t have enough quality through the line up.

Our opening starts aren’t reliable and our middle order isn’t great. In t20s we have no middle order, so huge pressure to not get out as openers.

Yes there are limitations in how fast some of these guys play. But playing a more aggressive risky player like Sharjeel won’t work given there is not enough reliable players to fall back on if he fails. We don’t have the team for that.

We play a bit slower partly because it allows us to last all the overs easier. Probably why averages are inflated a bit.
 
Ok all eyes on this Pak v Ned game for a good NRR for Pakistan
 
MenInG said:
For those with weak memories, recall the hammering in the 2019 tournament opener against the West Indies!

We never recovered from that NRR issue and that ultimately cost us a semi-final berth.

Hope we have learn't our lessons and will watch the NRR number.

Even if we lose, we must not be hammered into submission - play sensibly and keep that number within sane levels.

Just to remind every one the NRR situation at end of the Group Stage of the 2019 WC:

XDAAmsi.png
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Why are we even caring on the NRR? Shouldn't our focus be on getting actual important points against SENA and India rather then relying on the mercy of other teams?

Win matches, get points and move on. Almost as if pakistani fans have accepted that luck is needed to win.

As the mantra goes, who needs luck when you have skill. This mantra applies especially in sport.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why are we even caring on the NRR? Shouldn't our focus be on getting actual important points against SENA and India rather then relying on the mercy of other teams?

Win matches, get points and move on. Almost as if pakistani fans have accepted that luck is needed to win.

As the mantra goes, who needs luck when you have skill. This mantra applies especially in sport.
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NZ also went for the NRR boost even though they were going to win comfortably, you never know.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why are we even caring on the NRR? Shouldn't our focus be on getting actual important points against SENA and India rather then relying on the mercy of other teams?

Win matches, get points and move on. Almost as if pakistani fans have accepted that luck is needed to win.

As the mantra goes, who needs luck when you have skill. This mantra applies especially in sport.
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Nrr is important cause there could be rain and there could be games we might lose.

Ideally we should win all games, but all other teams are playing the world cup aswell. Thus, nrr will come into factor. Its not luck. Teams often get tied. Who knows pakistan can get tied with india or England, thus nrr can never be ignored. Games against minnows are where you need to win with high nrr
 
Major said:
Nrr is important cause there could be rain and there could be games we might lose.

Ideally we should win all games, but all other teams are playing the world cup aswell. Thus, nrr will come into factor. Its not luck. Teams often get tied. Who knows pakistan can get tied with india or England, thus nrr can never be ignored. Games against minnows are where you need to win with high nrr
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Fair enough, I didn't consider those aspects.
 
No doubt its important. But concentrate on winning and then hammer home the advantage, like NZ did at the end.You don't want is to get smashed like England or us against the WI in 2019.
 
its also important to keep in mind when potentially losing a game. e.g. chasing 350, you get 100/5 after 25 overs, and you know lost (you can't score 10/over with last 5 batting), so just aim for 225-250 as new target, instead of trying 10/over and getting all out for 160. that gap of 60-90 runs in graceful defeat is better then aiming for miracle that won't happen once in a million.
 
MenInG said:
For those with weak memories, recall the hammering in the 2019 tournament opener against the West Indies!

We never recovered from that NRR issue and that ultimately cost us a semi-final berth.

Hope we have learn't our lessons and will watch the NRR number.

Even if we lose, we must not be hammered into submission - play sensibly and keep that number within sane levels.

Just to remind every one the NRR situation at end of the Group Stage of the 2019 WC:

XDAAmsi.png
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Pakistan did well to reach here. After WI match, it was -5 . England are only -2.x . It's a long tournament and it's possible to make up.
 
Saj said:
81 run win.

It will do, but could and should have been better.

It will be interesting to see how other teams do against Netherlands.
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Possibly not better. They'll beat better teams. Their opened ate too many overs then triggered the collapse
 
Btw did anyone notice the last game netherlands play, someone wants to play them last so that if things go down to NRR they would want to beat netherlands easily to get that advantage :)
 
This time it's certain that Net Run Rate will be a deciding factor for the fourth and fifth positions.

So i think all teams must be thinking of win their games by significant margins.
 
Major said:
Btw did anyone notice the last game netherlands play, someone wants to play them last so that if things go down to NRR they would want to beat netherlands easily to get that advantage :)
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I saw that straight away when fixtures were released. It's just a coincidence stop being sinister.....
 
Major said:
Btw did anyone notice the last game netherlands play, someone wants to play them last so that if things go down to NRR they would want to beat netherlands easily to get that advantage :)
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It is also the very last match of the world cup so India would know exactly what they need to do. It's also in Bengaluru, IIRC.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
This time it's certain that Net Run Rate will be a deciding factor for the fourth and fifth positions.

So i think all teams must be thinking of win their games by significant margins.
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Why is it a certainty? Pakistan should just aim to get seven wins, at a minimum. The run rate should only be a factor towards the end of the tournament.
 
Pakistan needs to keep a check on NRR it will be a crucial factor later in this tournament
 
Bilal7 said:
Why is it a certainty? Pakistan should just aim to get seven wins, at a minimum. The run rate should only be a factor towards the end of the tournament.
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those 7 wins still wont make it sure that the team will get into top 4 or not, that is the reason why all teams must be looking to boost their NRR from the the begining of the tournament.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
those 7 wins still wont make it sure that the team will get into top 4 or not, that is the reason why all teams must be looking to boost their NRR from the the begining of the tournament.
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I don't know where you are getting this from. Any team that gets 6 or 7 wins is virtually guaranteed to get a top-four spot.
 
So now Afghanistan bowled out for 156 - Bangladesh have a great chance to not only win but get that NRR up there.
 
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After match 3 of the ICC World Cup 2023, Bangladesh is third in the standings now.
 
Bharat failed to secure a good NRR tonight but should be happy to walk away with a win.
 
Seems like NZ is going to maintain a healthy NRR

Bharat managed a win yesterday but the NRR is lowest among winning teams
 
Bhaijaan said:
Seems like NZ is going to maintain a healthy NRR

Bharat managed a win yesterday but the NRR is lowest among winning teams
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India got a very decent NRR beating one of the title contenders. Pak got its NRR beating the worst team in the tournament. They are not the same :)
 
hassan918 said:
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Not good this, our NRR has declined. Pakistan is going to have to face the likes of Australia, England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka. Even Afghanistan and Bangladesh are not going to be easy in these conditions. Winning against most these teams will not be easy, let alone raising our net run rate against them.
 
its okay, chasing and winning with a 345 run record chase is big enough, you want mango and mango tree also. its okay.

keep it very simple.
1. aim to play to strength and win every game.

2. minimum target:
a) beat Afghanistan and Bangladesh
b) beat 2 of Ind,Aus,NZ,SAF,Eng

that should give you 6 wins and put you in top 4.
 
also you can hope for one of Afg,Ban,Srl,NL (unlikely) to cause at least one upset each against the top 6 teams. that would also help our cause.
 
South Africa have boosted their NRR big time tonight

They’re at the top of the table now

1. Southern Afrikaan
2. New Zealand
3. Bharat
4. Pakistan

Seems like we already know the semi finalists
 
Bharat and Pakistan are both just happy to be maintaining the clean sheet. NRR comes into play once you have lost some. So far, let’s just focus on the wins
 
Had Aussies won tonight, it would have opened up the tournament big time.
 
4 unbeaten and 4 winless teams

Tomorrow it would be 4 unbeaten teams left
 
Rana said:
Tomorrow milk and milk, water and water will be clear
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if pakistan wins, i request you to be ready with your list of excuses why we won. And how it was a fluke.
 
The ghost of NRR will come to haunt us very soon.
 
India, NZ and South Africa are certainties.

We are against Aus and England for the final spot.

And if India smash us here it’s probably bye bye on NRR.
 
This defeat isn't about just today's match but the entire Pakistan tournament Campaign may well be over today itself. A heavy defeat in Asia Cup lead to Pakistan getting demoralised and failing to reach Asia Cup finals. A big defeat today against India is going to lead to defeats against other big sides.

Pakistan lose today and their next match is against Australia, who themselves are hungry to win.. Pakistan lose 2 in 2 then it will be game over for Pakistan. Tough matches against England, NZ, SA still to go.
 
Pakistan already has a healthy NRR. So this won’t hurt them too much tonight (if this indeed is a defeat)
 
NRR is taking a hammering.

Rohit Sharma is seeing to that!
 
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