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Mickey Arthur unhappy with 'seniors'..... home truths stated [PCB refute reports - post #152]

Micky is a class coach if asad azhar sarfraz dont want to listen to him & learn how can u blame the coach..

These 3 deadwoods have easily cost pak last 3 out of 4 test matches.
 
hadi123 said:
I was watching the news on a well known Pakistani news channel - you all would have heard of it

It was saying basically that Mickey Arthur was so angry he started throwing things around and swore in English to them.
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These channels do love their hyperbole ::J
 
Savak said:
Azhar Ali is also carrying a serious knee problem, apparently a degenerative knee problem and the doctors had already told him that he won't be able to play very long. This is why he gave up the T-20 and ODI format to prolong his test career. You can just see it in the field that he is struggling, cannot run fast anymore and I think his footwork is also negatively affected.
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We understand that there is an issue with his other knee.
 
Savak said:
There is no way Mickey will lose his job over the likes of Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfaraz. These players do not have the influence and reputation of the players of the 90's.
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If that happens im done.

We need to campaign to keep Mickey
 
Hopefully, this means the end of shafiq forever!

Azhar is still one of the best bats in this team and should be opening, where he belongs.
 
Ummii said:
So it means this is Mickey's last series? He was pretty great coach btw. I hope Bangladesh can hire him, he can take them to the next level, they really need to be improved as a T20 team.
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NO WAY. Absolutely no way. It’s not that Mickey isn’t qualified enough, but BD is a team dominated by spin play - either bat or ball.... and Arthur is the last man I would like to manage that team.

However, BCB has a position of Chief Technical Officar (Director Cricket Operation) - at present Gary Kirsten is serving the purpose as consultant (As he won’t shift family to Dhaka, neither is interested for a role which keeps him occupied for whole year) - Mickey is a brilliant candidate for that role. He knows (should know) the cricket culture of South Asia, he is a young, modern coach, aware of modern technology, proper training methods and importance of diet, fitness .... this current generation has reached it's ceiling, coaches won’t take them much further. Mickey can help developing the next gen BD cricketers for 2027 WC, most likely in AUS or SAF.
 
Savak said:
These two players should thank their stars that they played under Misbah and were able to milk as much as possible out of it. Had they been playing under Kohli, both would have been shown the door very quickly especially Azhar for his boring uninspiring batting.
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Hang on, you were blaming Misbah for sticking with them in another post.
 
Pakistan should play without captain.

Bowlers should rotate depending on a small meeting. And field should be set as bowler wishes.

Batters should bat in their natural positions.

To come out for toss drama; the XI should rotate according to the batting number.

Our non-performinh kaptaans and their dostanas are the main reason we've lost so many matches
 
I repeat.... again (hopefully Bhakths won’t crucify me later) - NEVER appoint an over aged, overweight, unfit player Captain who doesn’t make the playing XI on merit.

And, PCB’s deputy is Asad, we have seen Azhar and Babar is the only ray of hope in batting department........ only, only option left is bang a bat on Sarfraz’s knee (for media purpose, guy is good at heart, doesn’t deserve a beating) so that he gets “injured”, play Rizwan as WK ...... and make Amir Captain..... till WC, with Babar deputy for LOs. For Test, I don’t mind Shan to be deputy and this I wrote long, long before today’s innings.
 
For some reason, I have a feeling Shah Massod will be the new captain of Pakistan in all three formats...
 
The only thing Mickey may have got wrong here is the timing. I would want the boys to come out believing that they can defend this.
If people are not on the same page then that becomes a difficult task
 
Abdullah said:
The only thing Mickey may have got wrong here is the timing. I would want the boys to come out believing that they can defend this.
If people are not on the same page then that becomes a difficult task
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This team lacks fighting spirit the bull dog churchill
Spirit or imranz cornered tigers spirit. An easy 7 wicket win for Proteas.
 
Bakhts were doing bhangra when Mickey publicly backed Sarfraz a few weeks ago.

He has been part of a team led by a figure like Graeme Smith; he can put up with an embarrassment like Sarfraz only for so long.
 
Fortunately not all PP’ers are insane but those that spout the same rubbish and are like a broken record should check the definition of insanity.
 
Sarwar89 said:
This team lacks fighting spirit the bull dog churchill
Spirit or imranz cornered tigers spirit. An easy 7 wicket win for Proteas.
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I think it will only be 3 to 4 wicket win. That is gonna hurt even more, knowing that with another 40 -50....
 
Sarfraz azhar & asad think its ok to fail in SA as its a away series 3 of them playing as if theyr in the uae. Pathetic sarfraz crouching down as if his facing a spinner on low uae pitch, when infact his facing Rabada in SA didn’t they even bother to train for these conditions..
 
I hope Yasir doesn't turn out to be a waste of space in the xi tomorrow. He's the only hope left for us in the game. The rest of our bowling attack is just overrated. Mickey Arthur is as much a joke as Sarfraz is right now. You don't lash out on your 'senior' players in the middle of a Test match. Lack of professionalism all around.
 
Shafiq has had 7 years too many. He has had some purple patches here and there but mostly was a player who hid in the spotlight below Misbah and YK, and since their retirement has been tailender level. I never understood the love of this less than mediocre batsmen.

Azhar should be in the hotseat but he has still a very successful test career, so I would imagine he gets a longer rope, but if this continues, the door should be shown.

Sarfraz, I mean, what is left to say. He is a full time keeper who we are for some reason to ignore what he does with the bat. Unbelievable what we have to put up with from his end. So much support for his captaincy, when the reality is he does not deserve a spot based on the main item, merit. There are better keepers, there are better batsmen. Again, he is the captain who came in by playing up the order and that is how he got his spot, but now he is all about himself and points the blame only to others. If we somehow manage to win, I hope they do not ignore his numerous failures. He is a poor player and the time for the door has come.
 
A sportsman needs to use this kind of tongue lashing from the coach as a source of motivation and reflection. I'm sure coaches in other teams also like Eng and Australia come down hard on players after such a performance. Unfortunately, the culture in Pakistan is such that these words from a coach are often perceived as insulting or demeaning. It's sad that our players have such fragile egos and rather than strive to prove the coach wrong, they'll likely hold a grudge or come under even more pressure.
 
Saj said:
Hang on, you were blaming Misbah for sticking with them in another post.
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Yes, Misbah chose the wrong brand of players and backed the wrong players in his 7 year tenure. He played the wrong defensive brand of cricket which took us back 10 years and we are reaping the consequences of him giving 60-70 test matches to the likes of Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq. No other captain would have tolerated mediocrity for so long.
 
Mamoon said:
Bakhts were doing bhangra when Mickey publicly backed Sarfraz a few weeks ago.

He has been part of a team led by a figure like Graeme Smith; he can put up with an embarrassment like Sarfraz only for so long.
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There were reports he had actually told the PCB after the Asia Cup horror that he wanted Sarfaraz dropped. The Australia series win put a brake on the plan but the NZ hammering and now this SA defeat has now breached his patience threshold.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
I hope Yasir doesn't turn out to be a waste of space in the xi tomorrow. He's the only hope left for us in the game. The rest of our bowling attack is just overrated. Mickey Arthur is as much a joke as Sarfraz is right now. You don't lash out on your 'senior' players in the middle of a Test match. Lack of professionalism all around.
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LOL what?! What has seniority got to do with anything? If you perform like bum, the coach will come down hard on you. This is international cricket where there is no room for fragile egos. These 'seniors' have already costed us the last series, better give them a kick up the backside before this one goes the same route.
 
Snowflake said:
A sportsman needs to use this kind of tongue lashing from the coach as a source of motivation and reflection. I'm sure coaches in other teams also like Eng and Australia come down hard on players after such a performance. Unfortunately, the culture in Pakistan is such that these words from a coach are often perceived as insulting or demeaning. It's sad that our players have such fragile egos and rather than strive to prove the coach wrong, they'll likely hold a grudge or come under even more pressure.
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Excellent post.

And add to this the media buddies who are in the ear of these players messing with their heads and working with them on their next plan and move.
 
Savak said:
There were reports he had actually told the PCB after the Asia Cup horror that he wanted Sarfaraz dropped. The Australia series win put a brake on the plan but the NZ hammering and now this SA defeat has now breached his patience threshold.
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If true, I'm sure the the suggestion from Mickey was specifically for Tests, right? He's been pretty happy with the limited overs performance and any change in captaincy so close to the WC just doesn't make sense.
 
There is no point in blaming Inzi. Imam actually played well. He selected Fakhar, Masood who are PP favorites. Shafiq just scored a hundred in the NZ series. His constency or lack there of is not a new issue. I posted his stats a few days ago and he averages around 32 in the last 2 years. Rahane has the same numbers. You just don't drop an experienced player before an overseas tour to SENA. As simple as that.

As far as Sarfraz goes, there was no way he would be removed as captain as Azhar is clearly not an option anymore. Babar is too young to be a captain. Amir just got back into the side. There are no options.
 
All three deserve it. Sarfraz needs a good, hard look at himself and figure out whether he can give his best for Pakistan or not. His dismissals have been ridiculous and have landed us in trouble in crucial stages.

Azhar needs to realize he is the senior most player of this team, and start acting like it. A player who makes a double century in Australia, against a good bowling attack does not suddenly lose all his talent and starts producing rubbish. His attitude needs to change to a more authoritative figure.

Asad is a mental midget. I still believe he is a damn good player, but he has temperament issues and probably needs some time away from cricket right now to get his head right.

All three are a major reason Pakistan hasn't done well recently. We have won despite these three, rather than because of them. That says something.
 
Saj said:
Excellent post.

And add to this the media buddies who are in the ear of these players messing with their heads and working with them on their next plan and move.
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The sad part is that I don't even think there's a quick fix for this. It's also a little harsh to solely blame the players for such a mentality considering the backgrounds the come from and the amount of exposure they get of other international sportsmen. They've lived all their lives conforming to these 'tameez' and 'seniority' parameters which have been set deep in the system. With such a state of mind, one cannot be expected to be ruthless or thick-skinned; the couple of traits essential to be successful in any sport.
 
Snowflake said:
LOL what?! What has seniority got to do with anything? If you perform like bum, the coach will come down hard on you. This is international cricket where there is no room for fragile egos. These 'seniors' have already costed us the last series, better give them a kick up the backside before this one goes the same route.
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I know that ppl are hurting right now but that doesn’t mean you destroy your own dressing room in the middle of an important test match. They need a hiding but not in the middle of a test.
 
The wicket was a little uneven but the batsman have lacked heart, and the 3 seniors have been the worst culprits. This Saffer team is there for the taking and our lack of heart has let them off the ​hook.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
I know that ppl are hurting right now but that doesn’t mean you destroy your own dressing room in the middle of an important test match. They need a hiding but not in the middle of a test.
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With such performances being a constant fixture, your dressing is already quite broken. This dressing down could only do the team some good if anything.
 
I remembered shoe thrown by Sir A Fergie towards Beckham. I remember a footy team ridiculed by a older fan. I remembered Mickeys Homework gate scandal and that team being ridiculed at home by fans and media since. I STAND WITH MICKEY!!!
 
Savak said:
Yes, Misbah chose the wrong brand of players and backed the wrong players in his 7 year tenure. He played the wrong defensive brand of cricket which took us back 10 years and we are reaping the consequences of him giving 60-70 test matches to the likes of Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq. No other captain would have tolerated mediocrity for so long.
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The problem is a structural one; we don't have any idea about the quality of these players as the FC system is desperately poor, sometimes we get lucky but more often than not, we pick a player more in hope than expectations, and if he shows any promise we give him a long rope in the hope that the promise will be fulfilled, and more often than not after playing these guys for 50+ tests, we find that both technically and mentally they are inept and decade has been wasted.
 
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...s-cool-bashes-sarfaraz-azhar-in-dressing-room
CENTURION: Mickey Arthur, coach of Pakistan cricket team, reportedly lost his cool in the dressing room and bashed captain Sarfaraz Ahmed and other batsmen, including Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq after their dismal performance against South Africa at Centurion on Thursday.

Having been disappointed with the senior players' performance, as they failed to post a big lead against South Africa in the ongoing first Test, Pakistan coach flayed the top order batsmen.

Mickey Arthur, known for his aggressive approach, had an heated argument with skipper Sarfraz, top order batsmen Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq where he criticised them heavily and threw objects in the dressing room which made a lot of noise, reports claimed.

John Michael "Mickey" Arthur is a former South African cricketer who played South African domestic cricket from 1986 to 2001. He is the current coach of the Pakistan national cricket team.

Duanne Olivier's magnificent spell turned the first Test at Centurion in South Africa’s favour. Sarfraz and Azhar scored a duck in the second innings, Shafiq played a loose shot and fell for just 6 runs. The hosts have to chase 149 to win the match with three days remaining.

Pakistan's bowlers will have to put their extra efforts to restrict the opponents within the target to go 1-0 up in the series.

At different occasions, Arthur has shown his confidence in Azhar and Asad, he had said that they have the temperament, technique and ability to deliver for Pakistan.

While, Arthur has expressed disappointment at the team’s performance numerous times. After a disappointing defeat to New Zealand last month, Arthur had said, "This is probably one of the worst defeats I have ever suffered in my career."
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I read the Urdu version of this news on this news group's news channel and it clearly had a biased tone against the coach, even more than this article is portraying. The title was something like 'The unethical behavior of the coach Arthur with Sarfraz, Asad and Azhar'. It also reported that Arthur resorted to swearing and was so enraged that he crossed all the limits and smashed things around in the dressing room. The article further stated that the players did accept their mistakes but Arthur crossed the limits by badmouthing them and acting stern. The players also responded back.


Clearly, the influential media lobby is working overtime to save its darlings and pinning all the blame on the coach. This rotten dressing room culture of leaking information to media for manipulation purposes is unfortunately still prevalent in this team and that solely is a reason enough to dismiss the player/official involved. A test match is going on and this attempt to sabotage the team camaraderie ahead of a crucial day where you have to go all out to defend a target is highly condemnable.

That said, Mickey too should have restrained himself till the conclusion of the match. After the game, he is free to give them a severe telling off. This heated argument in the middle of the game shows that the team management thinks the game is already done and dusted and there is no chance of the team defending the target, which shows a defeatist mentality. The timing of the reprimand has left a lot to be desired.


In the grand scheme of things, however, there is no doubt the aforementioned players with the exception of Azhar should be shown the door but like I stated earlier, the lobby is working diligently to portray Mickey as the villain and the senior lot as the victim in order to save them. Let's hope Mani is considerate enough to realise the plot and gives the coach full backing.
 
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Why would Shafiq be dropped? He has never been dropped. And he took the place of other promising batsmen.

He also managed to play 50-60 ODI games despite averaging like 25 at a s/r of 60.

How did he manage that? He had tons of supporters, including those on this forum.

So why would he be dropped for tests?

I hope those supporters are enjoying this.
 
I would call spade a spade. I gave Wahab a piece of my mind in Melbourne test. Time for fans to tell these undroppables they are not desirables, at the games!! They would turn new guys like Afridi into something similar.
 
I'm happy if Arthur is giving the underperformers a piece of his mind.

I fear that he will be he one to lose his position though.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Why would Shafiq be dropped? He has never been dropped. And he took the place of other promising batsmen.

He also managed to play 50-60 ODI games despite averaging like 25 at a s/r of 60.

How did he manage that? He had tons of supporters, including those on this forum.

So why would he be dropped for tests?

I hope those supporters are enjoying this.
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Spot on.

Shafiq, the player himself, doesn't come across as a cunning individual at all. There have been many cunning manipulative players in the past with one of them retiring very recently but he doesn't seem like one. It's just that the influential lobby can't digest a senior player for its city getting the chop. Also, the poor pundits like Muhammad Yousuf and Sikandar Bakht have raised the stocks of the likes of Shafiq and Sarfraz so much that an average person/journalist thinks that the team is incomplete without these two.

So yes you are right, more than the players themselves, it's their supporters - especially the ones in the media - that have made him and Sarfraz in particular, the blue eyed boys of the team.
 
Savak said:
These two players should thank their stars that they played under Misbah and were able to milk as much as possible out of it. Had they been playing under Kohli, both would have been shown the door very quickly especially Azhar for his boring uninspiring batting.
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They actually performed under Misbah. Don’t know what you mean by ‘milking’ it.
 
It's a sad thing.

We have seen careers destroyed in front of our eyes. And made to watch other mediocre ones.

All due to favoritism and corruption imo.
 
I just checked Asad's stats for ODIs and they are:

60 matches, 58 innings, average 24.74, s/r 67.50

How is this possible?

It's not like he was a YK in tests, averaging 50-55, or some consistent beast in tests that deserved so many chances in ODIs.

Look, he's in the squad and I would like to see him make a stylish 100 if selected for the next test. But I'd rather see someone else selected for the next test and for all future tests.
 
That shot by Asad after a review was over turned is one of the worse I have seen in watching 20 years of cricket. You get a life and have the chance to put pressure back on South Africa and you play a shot like that? Come on man.

If he is not dropped for the rest of the series, than the selection team is a joke.
 
I think Shan Masood has looked in excellent touch and his attitude in both innings is the kind we need.

For goodness sake, we should drop Shafiq for the next test and play Shan and Haris (if fit). Or if not Haris, somone else.

Azhar might have gotten some harsh words but out of the three senior batsmen, he is least to blame.
 
Seen Sheen said:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...s-cool-bashes-sarfaraz-azhar-in-dressing-room


I read the Urdu version of this news on this news group's news channel and it clearly had a biased tone against the coach, even more than this article is portraying. The title was something like 'The unethical behavior of the coach Arthur with Sarfraz, Asad and Azhar'. It also reported that Arthur resorted to swearing and was so enraged that he crossed all the limits and smashed things around in the dressing room. The article further stated that the players did accept their mistakes but Arthur crossed the limits by badmouthing them and acting stern. The players also responded back.


Clearly, the influential media lobby is working overtime to save its darlings and pinning all the blame on the coach. This rotten dressing room culture of leaking information to media for manipulation purposes is unfortunately still prevalent in this team and that solely is a reason enough to dismiss the player/official involved. A test match is going on and this attempt to sabotage the team camaraderie ahead of a crucial day where you have to go all out to defend a target is highly condemnable.

That said, Mickey too should have restrained himself till the conclusion of the match. After the game, he is free to give them a severe telling off. This heated argument in the middle of the game shows that the team management thinks the game is already done and dusted and there is no chance of the team defending the target, which shows a defeatist mentality. The timing of the reprimand has left a lot to be desired.


In the grand scheme of things, however, there is no doubt the aforementioned players with the exception of Azhar should be shown the door but like I stated earlier, the lobby is working diligently to portray Mickey as the villain and the senior lot as the victim in order to save them. Let's hope Mani is considerate enough to realise the plot and gives the coach full backing.
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To be honest I don't mind this at all, this only shows Mickey Arthur in a positive light i.e. he wears his heart on his sleeve, he cares deeply about his mission to help Pakistan Cricket and he was enraged at the poor batting once again. You have to understand that Mickey has shown plenty of patience and faith in the players who only keep letting him down, again and again. He had to break at some point.

I am just surprised that the likes of Azhar and Shafiq have media lobby. Why the heck would the media even stick up for these players who cannot attract any kind of eye balls even if their lives depended on it? If this is Sarfaraz leaking things in the media to buy sympathy and favor then he needs to go, plain and simple, you can't have a captain who has no place in the team, we have seen enough to assess that he can never be a consistent player and having a non-performing captain is detrimental for team morale. Atleast Misbah for all his flaws could point out to his Runs scored at the SR of 20-30
 
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in_cutter said:
THIS is a major problem too.
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I believe Inzi gets too much stick. It was Arthur's decision not to play spinners in UAE. A lot of Inzi selections have paid off as well. Inzi also comes from the school of thought that the captain and coach have to get the squad that they want.
 
The problem is also none of the players in this team can follow a good first innings score with a good second innings score. I am not saying get a century in each innings but at least score more than 20 runs in your second innings?

Azhar usually gets a duck in his scored innings if he has scored big in his first innings, Asad is the same and today Barbar did the same with his second innings.
 
in_cutter said:
They actually performed under Misbah. Don’t know what you mean by ‘milking’ it.
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They got plenty of chances, elbow room under Misbah which someone like Umar Akmal did not get. These two would get longer ropes and a series or two of bad performances would be overlooked. These players would end up scoring a meaningless 50 or 100 in the final match or final innings of a series when the series was already lost and that is specially true for Shafiq. These two were also lucky that Pakistan did not play enough test cricket during that time period and the result was that the bad form of these two players would be forgotten 6-8 months later when Pakistan played their next test series.

Umar Akmal was not even considered for test match cricket ever again after a freak dismissal in 2011 against Zimbabwe. Pakistan needed to invest in more counter attacking batsmen who were needed in conditions like South Africa and Australia.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
I think Shan Masood has looked in excellent touch and his attitude in both innings is the kind we need.

For goodness sake, we should drop Shafiq for the next test and play Shan and Haris (if fit). Or if not Haris, somone else.

Azhar might have gotten some harsh words but out of the three senior batsmen, he is least to blame.
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Watching Shan Masood is extremely delightful, he got so much stick for being a nepotistic choice where his dad is a member of the PCB BOG, for not being a quality player but Mickey Arthur has always in interviews praised his workj ethic and the fact he is a fitness fanatic who works very hard in the gym.

You can tell the guy has worked very hard on his game during his time out of the team and watching him the way he batted in this test match, you now understand why the media reporters and anchors kept on going on and on about how Shan Masood was a different batsman and cricketer. He no longer looks like the timid unimposing batsman in the past.

If Shan Masood can deliver consistent runs for Pakistan, there is no way will the PCB overlook his canditure for captaincy given his affluent upbringing. I just hope and pray he doesn't go the Salman Butt way.
 
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Important question, All this happened in dressing room so how did it leak outside? Shouldnt pcb hunt for that player for leaking crucial news to public
 
I guess that's what happens when you rely on above average but not great players to be great when they are past their prime.

Nothing about their domestic FC average suggests they are elite so I don't understand why anyone would think they would suddenly become that at the age of 30+. Azhar and Shafiq performed well when the team was stacked of batsmen who beasted in UAE such as Younis/Misbah, Hafeez, Shehzad whom all had a great average in UAE/Asia. Now Pakistan is asking players who are great enough to carry the team to carry the team.

They've certainly performed poorly but it is also the selection committee and the coaches fault for relying on these players so much to carry the batting.

It's absurd how completely horrendous Pakistan have batted in 2018 Tests especially with how well the bowling has performed. If the batting was a bit better than total shambles this team would be looking at a 2-0 series win vs Australia and at least a 2-1 win vs NZ and a far more dominating performance than Irelend.

All I can hope is that this consistent poor showing can result in the selection committee actually selecting players that are dominating in FC cricket and are young with upside instead of whatever this group is with Sarfraz/Azhar/Shafiq.
 
MachoKhan said:
Important question, All this happened in dressing room so how did it leak outside? Shouldnt pcb hunt for that player for leaking crucial news to public
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The job of journalists is to find sources and get inside information. Nothing wrong with this. This is how people are held to account when the general public knows what's going on in the team
 
They deserved that. Asad and Azhar after playing consistently from the past decade still mediocre. Pak need gusty players like Fawad Alam instead of pussycats like Shafeeq
 
I have a number of issues with this story - and none of them are really to do with Micky losing his cool with the players...

1. The biggest issue is - how did the media find out about this? If they simply overheard the shouting and throwing of stuff - fine. Not much can be done about that. However, if someone leaked the news to the media, they should be the first to go.

2. I've seen multiple news outlets report that there was "an argument" between the trio - in particular Sarfraz - and Micky. I'm sorry - but what possible argument could the trio have to support themselves? Personally, my guess would be that Arthur just blasted the players for their performance, and I can't imagine the trio being besharam enough to "argue back" after their recent performances.

I feel this is simply the media trying to create hype and make it sound like their are fractions forming in the squad - like we saw with Kohli & Kumble or various Pakistani teams in the past.

3. The repeated use of the phrase "in the English language" when describing how Arthur expressed his displeasure is absolutely pathetic!! Ofcourse Arthur spoke in English! What would you expect? Would he burst in a Punjabi or Urdu chastising rant!?! I feel the use of this phrase is once again our pathetic media simply trying to alienate Arthur and paint him as the evil foreigner, which is simply narrow minded and could not be further from the truth.

4. The players deserve a blasting. Their performance recent has not been upto scratch and they deserve to be told about it. It's Arthur's job to keep the players in check and their is absolutely nothing wrong with him losing his cool when the senior players in his team are simply not performing. The same would happen in any walk of live and any job.

Now it's time to see whether the trio can be professional and competent enough to do their job, lift their performance and actually bounce back from this.
 
TalhaSyed said:
I have a number of issues with this story - and none of them are really to do with Micky losing his cool with the players...

1. The biggest issue is - how did the media find out about this? If they simply overheard the shouting and throwing of stuff - fine. Not much can be done about that. However, if someone leaked the news to the media, they should be the first to go.

2. I've seen multiple news outlets report that there was "an argument" between the trio - in particular Sarfraz - and Micky. I'm sorry - but what possible argument could the trio have to support themselves? Personally, my guess would be that Arthur just blasted the players for their performance, and I can't imagine the trio being besharam enough to "argue back" after their recent performances.

I feel this is simply the media trying to create hype and make it sound like their are fractions forming in the squad - like we saw with Kohli & Kumble or various Pakistani teams in the past.

3. The repeated use of the phrase "in the English language" when describing how Arthur expressed his displeasure is absolutely pathetic!! Ofcourse Arthur spoke in English! What would you expect? Would he burst in a Punjabi or Urdu chastising rant!?! I feel the use of this phrase is once again our pathetic media simply trying to alienate Arthur and paint him as the evil foreigner, which is simply narrow minded and could not be further from the truth.

4. The players deserve a blasting. Their performance recent has not been upto scratch and they deserve to be told about it. It's Arthur's job to keep the players in check and their is absolutely nothing wrong with him losing his cool when the senior players in his team are simply not performing. The same would happen in any walk of live and any job.

Now it's time to see whether the trio can be professional and competent enough to do their job, lift their performance and actually bounce back from this.
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Reporting quality on this matter has been of very low quality but expected based upon some biases.
 
And now coach will be removed and Sarfraz will continue :/ Mickey is rightful to be angry. I hope Sarfraz and Asad get removed effective and immediately

And call Fawad Alam and make him captain :imam
 
Surprising that Sarfaraz would verbally fight with Arthur after scoring nothing and given their excellent relationship.
 
Chances and reality are that no 'argument' took place but a tongue lashing by Mickey Arthur (one way) and that would be expected. Hardly expect Mickey to be handing out mithai kay dabbay after this batting
 
All 3 deserve a bashing but Sarfaraz and Asad more so than Azhar.

Asad is at the same level as he was 8 years ago. That tells you all you need to know.

Sarfaraz has regressed to a level where he is almost a tailender. He is the worst batsman in the side.
 
MenInG said:
Chances and reality are that no 'argument' took place but a tongue lashing by Mickey Arthur (one way) and that would be expected. Hardly expect Mickey to be handing out mithai kay dabbay after this batting
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Sarfraz would drop the dabbay if they were handed to them ;)
 
Why bash Asad? he has been pleading with almost every innings to drop him, if inzi and captain/coach still wants to retain him then its their problem.
 
Not a good thing to do just on first match of tour
If u want to show ur anger do it by making changes not by shouting
 
Sarfaraz will resign and possibly take retirement from tests after this series. He should carry on in LOIs until WC.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Pakistan should play without captain.

Bowlers should rotate depending on a small meeting. And field should be set as bowler wishes.

Batters should bat in their natural positions.

To come out for toss drama; the XI should rotate according to the batting number.

Our non-performinh kaptaans and their dostanas are the main reason we've lost so many matches
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Doesn't look too bad
 
Team management strongly refutes baseless allegations regarding team meeting disorder

Centurion December 28:

The Pakistan team management led by Manager Talat Ali strongly refutes the baseless allegations levelled against Head Coach Mickey Arthur on his supposed 'angry behaviour' at the end of Day Two of the ongoing Test match against South Africa in Centurion.

As per the norm, Mickey held a debriefing meeting at the end of the day's play which was held in a cordial atmosphere with inputs from team members and management as is the usual practice.

Any speculation about coach's angry behaviour towards the players is grossly exaggerated.

The head coach, team management, captain and all team members are totally united with a singular aim of producing positive results.

The team manager and rest of the management hopes that media would refrain from speculating on the matter.
 
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Its time for micky to leave this job.An honest person can not work with this corrupt system to remove non-performerslike Shafiq, Azhar and Sarfraz. Make Basit/Sabih Azhar as coach and bring back Hafeez and other useless TTFs.
 
Mickey need to whip the trio if we lose this....

5 for Azhar
10 for both Asad and Sarfraz
 
Shafi said:
Its time for micky to leave this job.An honest person can not work with this corrupt system to remove non-performerslike Shafiq, Azhar and Sarfraz. Make Basit/Sabih Azhar as coach and bring back Hafeez and other useless TTFs.
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Its better to stop playing cricket altogether than bringing this guy as coach.
 
Firstly, why all this concern?

Did Mickey or regular followers of Pakistan cricket really think the batting line up had a real chance against the SA bowling line up? The match-winners were always going to be the bowlers.

I actually thought they did pretty well all things considered. Azhar Ali is Pakistan's best test batsman by a mile and has the temperament to hit consistent form again. He made a good start in the first innings in really challenging circumstances.

Imam, Shan, Babar have all delivered and have actually impressed. Please don't expect massive 3 figure scores from them..... ur not looking at Root, Kohli or Williamson.

FZ and Sarfaraz do not have it in them to be successful batsmen in these conditions. I doubt they would walk into any other test playing team. Asdad Shafiq is a mystery, one would think he has everything going for him to be a successful test batsman but .....

The fact that this batting line up made three figure scores twice itself is impressive! So Mickey having a verbal barrage during the match is too late in the day.
 
If anyone deserves to be dropped its sarfaraz. Rest should be given two three more chances.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major blame for this loss has to be down to the senior batsmen in the team who between them scored:<br><br>36<br>7<br>0<br>0<br>6<br>0<br><br>A total of 49 runs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1078630263389868033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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