Mila: 'No regrets' for French teen targeted for criticising Islam

[MenInG]

A teenager has sparked a national debate about blasphemy in France after an Instagram post calling Islam a "religion of hate".

Mila, 16, posted her comments online after receiving homophobic abuse from a Muslim commenter.

She received death threats and has not attended school since.

But Mila has refused to back down, saying in her first television interview that she "wanted to blaspheme".

She has since deactivated her Instagram account.

The post has sparked a huge debate in France over freedom of speech. The country has no national blasphemy laws and has a rigidly secular constitution.

Police initially opened two investigations: the first into whether Mila was guilty of hate speech, and the second into her online attackers. They have since dropped the hate speech case as Mila was expressing a personal opinion on religion and not targeting individuals.

What did Mila say?
Appearing on the Quotidien programme on the TMC channel, Mila apologised for insulting people who practise their religion "in peace" and said she regretted the "vulgarity" of her words and their spread online.

But she defended her remarks. "I have absolutely no regrets about what I said, it was really my thought," she told the interviewer.

Mina said her life was "clearly on hold" amid the controversy. She had to leave school because of the threats against her, saying she could have been "burned with acid, hit, stripped naked in public or buried alive".

On Monday, education minister Jean-Michel Blanquer said that authorities were trying to "return her to school peacefully so that she can have a normal life".

How did the controversy start?
The controversy began on 18 January, after Mila did a live broadcast on her Instagram account. After speaking about her sexuality she was called a "dirty lesbian" by a Muslim commenter.

In response, Mila posted an attack on Islam. "I hate religion. The Koran is a religion of hate," she said, before using stronger words to attack Islam.

"I am not racist. You cannot be racist towards a religion. I said what I thought, you're not going to make me regret it."

There have been protests in France recently about racism, Islamophobia and the right to wear a veil
Critics said her comments were offensive. Some sent her death threats, and others posted her personal information online. The head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, Mohammed Moussaoui, said nothing justified death threats no matter how serious her remarks.

Supporters defended her right to attack Islam, and the hashtag #JeSuisMila (I am Mila) started trending in France. Opponents hit back with the hashtag #JeNeSuisPasMila.

French justice minister Nicole Belloubet waded into the controversy, saying that death threats against the teenager were "unacceptable".

However, Ms Belloubet herself was criticised after arguing that an attack on religion was "an attack on freedom of conscience". French Senator Laurence Rossignol gave Ms Belloubet "0/20 in constitutional law", saying that in France "it is forbidden to insult the followers of a religion but one can insult a religion, its figures, its symbols". Ms Belloubet later said her comments had been "clumsy".

Mila's cause has been embraced by the far right. National Rally leader Marine Le Pen said Mila had "more courage than the entire political class in power for the past 30 years".

In October, French President Emmanuel Macron warned against "stigmatising" Muslims or linking Islam with the fight against terrorism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51369960

 

[Stewie]

We create problems for ourselves! Why won’t you just live in peace and let others live In peace as well.. some so called Muslims are so judgmental and want to stir crap for everyone around them..

They give us all a bad name!

 

[Tubs]

Giving someone death threats for someone saying your religion is hateful..?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What did Mila say?
Appearing on the Quotidien programme on the TMC channel, Mila apologised for insulting people who practise their religion "in peace" and said she regretted the "vulgarity" of her words and their spread online.

But she defended her remarks. "I have absolutely no regrets about what I said, it was really my thought," she told the interviewer.

I don't really understand it, she seems to be apologising for offence she may have caused, then saying she had no regrets about what she said either?

Anyway, she is only a 16yr old, I would prefer she just said what she meant and let others say what they want in response.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Giving someone death threats for someone saying your religion is hateful..?

These are Instagram threats.

In real life, if someone were to threaten her, they would be arrested. That's the law.

Anyways, imo, she did something stupid. What else did she expect to happen? Especially after the whole Charlie Hebdo episode

Mila, 16, posted her comments online after receiving homophobic abuse from a Muslim commenter.

 

[ahsan17]

Giving someone death threats for someone saying your religion is hateful..?

Tons of people get online threats for idiotic things. People get death threats for supporting certain politicians (e.g. Bernie Sanders). If we start taking those threats seriously, then I am not sure where we'll end up.

 

[Zaz]

Not that i condone it but if your gonna talk rubbish like saying islam is a religion if hate then its no surprise people are gonna be upset Some to a point that will do say and do stupid things

What did she expect?

 

[troodon]

Not that i condone it but if your gonna talk rubbish like saying islam is a religion if hate then its no surprise people are gonna be upset Some to a point that will do say and do stupid things

What did she expect?

She deserved to be trolled at best. Death threats are a bit too much.

 

[Tubs]

These are Instagram threats.

In real life, if someone were to threaten her, they would be arrested. That's the law.

Anyways, imo, she did something stupid. What else did she expect to happen? Especially after the whole Charlie Hebdo episode

Many people have been saying that Islam shouldn't be criticised or insulted because of Charlie Hebdo attackers... Surely that gives more reason to be inflammatory to show that you won't be silenced?

 

[JaDed]

How did the controversy start?
The controversy began on 18 January, after Mila did a live broadcast on her Instagram account. After speaking about her sexuality she was called a "dirty lesbian" by a Muslim commenter.

Tbf she assumed something about someone based on their name?

 

[sweep_shot]

She is just an attention-seeker. She wanted Instagram fame. It backfired.

 

[ahsan17]

She deserved to be trolled at best. Death threats are a bit too much.

Death threats are dime a dozen online. People get death threats over the most childish and futile things.

 

[faraz39]

How did the controversy start?
The controversy began on 18 January, after Mila did a live broadcast on her Instagram account. After speaking about her sexuality she was called a "dirty lesbian" by a Muslim commenter.

Tbf she assumed something about someone based on their name?

Exactly. She abused an entire religion based on the comment of someone who had a Muslim sounding name. She's the ignorant one in this but of course will come out looking like a victim and likely profit off it too.

 

[cric_man]

Not that i condone it but if your gonna talk rubbish like saying islam is a religion if hate then its no surprise people are gonna be upset Some to a point that will do say and do stupid things

What did she expect?

Apparently she said that in response to be called a "dirty lesbian" by a muslim commenter.
If you live in a non islamic country, enjoy the privileges afforded by that society, please keep your religious view to your self. Live and Let live.

 

[srh]

stupid girl; if someone abuse you online then abuse that person back; why need to abuse all the followers of that person's religion?

 

[DeadBall]

Exactly. She abused an entire religion based on the comment of someone who had a Muslim sounding name. She's the ignorant one in this but of course will come out looking like a victim and likely profit off it too.

Exactly. She abused an entire religion based on the comment of someone who had a Muslim sounding name. She's the ignorant one in this but of course will come out looking like a victim and likely profit off it too.

You are right in an ideal.world but the world isnt so black and white. Things have to be viewed in context. These days Islamic fundamentalism and Islamophobia is on the rise, everywhere you see its Muslim this and Muslim that so you cannot really fault a teenager for saying such a thing especially if comment sections are full of such hateful comments.

Ditto comments from extremists in India, not everyone is a RSS/BJP supporter but that is the trend.

If this was 20 years ago and an Irish person wrote this then they would have been called an IRA member or sympathiser. Ditto the Russians further back and communist comments.

It's just a cycle and someone else will be the villain in a decade or two or so. I particularly blame the media for their unscrupulous erhics, biased "reporting" and fear mongering just in search for their next "sound bite".

All said and done, everybody cries victim but where there is smoke, there is a fire.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We create problems for ourselves! Why won’t you just live in peace and let others live In peace as well.. some so called Muslims are so judgmental and want to stir crap for everyone around them..

They give us all a bad name!

Have you been asleep for the last 2 decades? Muslims want to live in peace, No Afghan, Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian or Pakistani ever attacked the US before the worlds biggest terrorist state decided to bomb women and children.

Did this give the US a bad name?

People taking death threats on social media seriously are plebs.

 

[PakLFC]

He is just a kid. Needs to be educated on things he doesn't have any knowledge off.

 

[Robert]

These are Instagram threats.

In real life, if someone were to threaten her, they would be arrested. That's the law.

Anyways, imo, she did something stupid. What else did she expect to happen? Especially after the whole Charlie Hebdo episode

Unsure about French law but in the UK Instagram threats are “real life” arrestable offences under the malicious communications act.

This young lady would have done better to call out the specific homophobe for homophobia rather than generalising about an entire religion.

 

[Zaz]

Unsure about French law but in the UK Instagram threats are “real life” arrestable offences under the malicious communications act.

This young lady would have done better to call out the specific homophobe for homophobia rather than generalising about an entire religion.

Exactly Instead of singling and calling out the abuser for his act she decided to abuse his religion which has a billion followers

if you are gonna react unintelligently like this on the web then youve got to be prepared for the backlash from the people you have just abused

 

[Dead Ball]

What is the Quranic stance on homosexuality ?

 

[Pakistanian]

What is the Quranic stance on homosexuality ?

Google it. Y'all so dumb.

 

[Dead Ball]

Google it. Y'all so dumb.

From what I have read the ruling on homosexuality comes from the Hadith and not the Quran (like in the case of apostasy) so people seem to be divided on this issue.

Obviously, I am sure people here know much better.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What is the Quranic stance on homosexuality ?

If you are going to come up with a user name which is almost identically to one already in use, maybe a good idea to put some differentiator so we can verify it's not the original. We have Pakistani Deadball already here, maybe you could call yourself Dharmic Dead Ball to signify yourself.

 

[sindhiboy]

If you are going to come up with a user name which is almost identically to one already in use, maybe a good idea to put some differentiator so we can verify it's not the original. We have Pakistani Deadball already here, maybe you could call yourself Dharmic Dead Ball to signify yourself.

)

 

[sindhiboy]

homosexuality was legalized in the west only in the past few years.

all abrahamic religions condemn homosexuality. infact, it is looked down upon in every country.

yet for some reason, many westerners and right wingers target islam as the reason for homophobia on this earth

 

[Dead Ball]

homosexuality was legalized in the west only in the past few years.

all abrahamic religions condemn homosexuality. infact, it is looked down upon in every country.

yet for some reason, many westerners and right wingers target islam as the reason for homophobia on this earth

Maybe because most (if not all) countries the criminalise homosexuality by law are sharia states? I am not sure if the laws are applied widely though.

As for OP, I don't think she should have said that. Even if she thinks Islam is a religion of hate, she should keep it private, like many people keep their hate for gays private. Once she said that, it was only going to create controversy.

 

[Dead Ball]

If you are going to come up with a user name which is almost identically to one already in use, maybe a good idea to put some differentiator so we can verify it's not the original. We have Pakistani Deadball already here, maybe you could call yourself Dharmic Dead Ball to signify yourself.

Dharmic Dead Ball sounds cool to me

 

[CricketDon]

Only places like Pakistan have blasphemy laws and fake democracy. She said it’s a religion of hate then she got death threats... let that sink in.

It was mild and shes 16! She apologised for her wording.

Have you guys seen the grown up Muslims on socio media going rampant on homosexuals and calling them all sorts.

 

[CricketDon]

homosexuality was legalized in the west only in the past few years.

all abrahamic religions condemn homosexuality. infact, it is looked down upon in every country.

yet for some reason, many westerners and right wingers target islam as the reason for homophobia on this earth

Other abrahamic religions have moved on from the Stone Age. Heck just outside my university campus we have a church proudly showing the LGBT flag on the way into the church.

I go there once a month to give blood and they are so incredibly warm and welcoming it blows me away every time!

They don’t shove their religion down your neck and try to convert you. It’s so peaceful and relaxed in there.

 

[The_KING]

Some Muslims are so judgemental. She gets called a dirty lesbian by a Muslim commentator, so she reacted by attacking an entire religion. Not that it makes it right, but she is a kid and she wouldn’t have reacted this way, if that judgemental Muslim commentator kept his/her views to themselves.

 

[Zaz]

Some Muslims are so judgemental. She gets called a dirty lesbian by a Muslim commentator, so she reacted by attacking an entire religion. Not that it makes it right, but she is a kid and she wouldn’t have reacted this way, if that judgemental Muslim commentator kept his/her views to themselves.

Humans are judgemental whether its the average joe, white supremacists or hindutva goons No need to single out muslims

If shes old enough to declare herself lesbian surely shes old enough to know better that spouting hate against islam on the net

If she was clever She shouldve debated with the fella rather than show bigotry of her own

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Other abrahamic religions have moved on from the Stone Age. Heck just outside my university campus we have a church proudly showing the LGBT flag on the way into the church.

I go there once a month to give blood and they are so incredibly warm and welcoming it blows me away every time!

They don’t shove their religion down your neck and try to convert you. It’s so peaceful and relaxed in there.

You are right other Abrahamic religions have moved on, but even within those there is a battle to fight "moving on". If you don't like having religion shoved down your neck, why do you think other people should have LGBT teachings shoved down theirs?

These are just different viewpoints, there has to be civilised discussion to reach a common ground.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Only places like Pakistan have blasphemy laws and fake democracy. She said it’s a religion of hate then she got death threats... let that sink in.

It was mild and shes 16! She apologised for her wording.

Have you guys seen the grown up Muslims on socio media going rampant on homosexuals and calling them all sorts.

Shown your ignorance once again.

Homosexuals are not liked by many religions and even athiests. Calling someone "gay" is considered an insult, you know why? Because every other adult uses it as an insult. What's with you singling out Islam?

 

[Ronaldo7]

You are right other Abrahamic religions have moved on, but even within those there is a battle to fight "moving on". If you don't like having religion shoved down your neck, why do you think other people should have LGBT teachings shoved down theirs?

These are just different viewpoints, there has to be civilised discussion to reach a common ground.

They're trying to make us believe that Homosexuality is natural and needs to be accepted.

Like WTH?

The hypocrisy

 

[Ronaldo7]

Some Muslims are so judgemental. She gets called a dirty lesbian by a Muslim commentator, so she reacted by attacking an entire religion. Not that it makes it right, but she is a kid and she wouldn’t have reacted this way, if that judgemental Muslim commentator kept his/her views to themselves.

A 16 year old isn't a kid. They're a teenager who can differentiate between good and bad. Camila Cabello's messages when she was 15 were found by users where she used the n-word. You think people have forgiven her because she was 15 when she wrote that? No.

Also, what's with "she wouldn't have reacted this way if that judgemental Muslim commentator kept his/her views to themselves."?
You're trying to justify her claims.
Two wrongs don't make a right. She can't take the moral high ground here coz she reacted in the same way as the commentator. she is as much to blame

 

[troodon]

Some posters here defending death threats as a reaction from Muslims around the world is deplorable.

 

[troodon]

Shown your ignorance once again.

Homosexuals are not liked by many religions and even athiests. Calling someone "gay" is considered an insult, you know why? Because every other adult uses it as an insult. What's with you singling out Islam?

Not liking is different to actually killing them.

I don't like sweets. But I do not go around killing people who eat them. Hope you understood the difference.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Some posters here defending death threats as a reaction from Muslims around the world is deplorable.

Death threats by tweets are deplorable, no one should be defending them, but actually lynching or killing people because they are selling cow meat is worse. Yet some people will defend that.

 

[Zaz]

Not liking is different to actually killing them.

I don't like sweets. But I do not go around killing people who eat them. Hope you understood the difference.

Nobody condones mob violence or internet threats That is not being debated here

She abused a religion and was abused back Both acts are condemnable

 

[CricketDon]

Shown your ignorance once again.

Homosexuals are not liked by many religions and even athiests. Calling someone "gay" is considered an insult, you know why? Because every other adult uses it as an insult. What's with you singling out Islam?

My ignorance? No it’s your ignorance and lack of etiquette and manners. Just your wording is disgusting. Atheists don’t like homosexuals? That’s odd because people who actually hate homosexuals are religious and believe it’s wrong because their god tells them. Atheists on the whole have zero issues with homosexuality and the reasoning behind it. I mean your reasoning behind it being wrong is laughable. According to your logic it’s wrong because people use gay as a insult and every adult uses it.

Their is the victim mentality carried by some Muslims today. “Why you picking on Islam”. No I’m not, the topic in case is literally on Islam, that’s why we are discussing it in relation to the article.

Not sure why I am even wasting my time. You’d ignore everything and either okay the victim card or just google synonyms for ignorance.

 

[Zaz]

Have you guys seen the grown up Muslims on socio media going rampant on homosexuals and calling them all sorts.

This is no different to any other internet warriors The far right in all cultures and religions behave like this for eg hindutva goons in india killing and abusing in the name of cows

 

[sindhiboy]

Other abrahamic religions have moved on from the Stone Age. Heck just outside my university campus we have a church proudly showing the LGBT flag on the way into the church.

I go there once a month to give blood and they are so incredibly warm and welcoming it blows me away every time!

They don’t shove their religion down your neck and try to convert you. It’s so peaceful and relaxed in there.

only christians in the west, you wont find lgbt friendly christians from the phillipines.

point is you can't expect the rest of the world to easily accept homosexuality when it has only been fully accepted in the west 10 or so years ago. and should not be surprised that many still detest it

 

[Ronaldo7]

My ignorance? No it’s your ignorance and lack of etiquette and manners. Just your wording is disgusting. Atheists don’t like homosexuals? That’s odd because people who actually hate homosexuals are religious and believe it’s wrong because their god tells them. Atheists on the whole have zero issues with homosexuality and the reasoning behind it. I mean your reasoning behind it being wrong is laughable. According to your logic it’s wrong because people use gay as a insult and every adult uses it.

Their is the victim mentality carried by some Muslims today. “Why you picking on Islam”. No I’m not, the topic in case is literally on Islam, that’s why we are discussing it in relation to the article.

Not sure why I am even wasting my time. You’d ignore everything and either okay the victim card or just google synonyms for ignorance.

“Many religions and athiests”

Where did i say all athiests?

Even some muslims don’t hate homosexuality.

So my point is that hate towards homosexuality (THE ACT not the PEOPLE) is not purely based on religion. Many athiests don’t like it. So what are you trying to argue here?
That there are NO athiests that dislike homosexuality?
Coz if you are then that just shows that you know f-all about this topic.

There are people who don’t like homosexuality.
Deal with it. Accept it and use your time for something more productive than this

 

[troodon]

Nobody condones mob violence or internet threats That is not being debated here

She abused a religion and was abused back Both acts are condemnable

I would be okay with her receiving abuse back. But death threats is pathetic.

People should stick to verbal arguments and condemnation. When it crosses over to physical threats, they should be dealt by incarceration. No place for physical violence in this day and age.

 

[MenInG]

A French teenager who criticised Islam on Instagram has moved to a new school after receiving death threats.

Education minister Gabriel Attal told broadcaster LCI on Monday that they had found a new school for Mila "to allow her to continue her life".

Spoiler

Mila, 16, sparked a national row over free speech when she called Islam a "religion of hate".

The teen's criticisms prompted fury but also drew support in France, where there are no laws against blasphemy.

Her comments about Islam came after she received homophobic abuse from a Muslim commenter. Supporters started the hashtag #JeSuisMila (I am Mila), while critics responded with #JeNeSuisPasMila.

She did not return to school after making the remarks. But on Monday Mr Attal said they had found her a "solution" and would be moving to another school which is not been made public to protect her safety.

France has a strictly secular constitution, but also a large Muslim population. There have been frequent clashes over policy in recent years, such as a government ban on full-face veils in public.

In October, French President Emmanuel Macron warned against "stigmatising" Muslims or linking Islam with the fight against terrorism.

How the row developed
The controversy began on 18 January, after Mila did a live broadcast on her Instagram account. After speaking about her sexuality she was called a "dirty lesbian" by a Muslim commenter.

In response, Mila posted an attack on Islam. "I hate religion. The Koran is a religion of hate," she said, before using stronger words to attack Islam.

"I am not racist. You cannot be racist towards a religion. I said what I thought, you're not going to make me regret it."

Some responded with death threats, and began posting her personal information online - including where she went to school.

The controversy generated a nationwide debate on blasphemy.

Critics decried her comments as offensive to Muslims - although the head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, Mohammed Moussaoui, said nothing justified death threats no matter how serious her remarks.

French justice minister Nicole Belloubet also waded into the controversy, saying that death threats against the teenager were "unacceptable".

However, Ms Belloubet herself was criticised after arguing that an attack on religion was "an attack on freedom of conscience". French Senator Laurence Rossignol gave Ms Belloubet "0/20 in constitutional law", saying that in France "it is forbidden to insult the followers of a religion but one can insult a religion, its figures, its symbols". Ms Belloubet later said her comments had been "clumsy".

Mila's cause has been embraced by the far right. National Rally leader Marine Le Pen said Mila had "more courage than the entire political class in power for the past 30 years".

Speaking in her only interview amid the controversy, Mila apologised for insulting people who practise their religion "in peace". But while she regretted the "vulgarity" of her words and their spread online, she defended her remarks.

"I have absolutely no regrets about what I said, it was really my thought," she told the interviewer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51446519

 

[Waleed93]

I understand the French language and to all the posters saying she just criticised Islam by just calling it a religion of hate and she just expressed her point of view, then trust me, she said much, much more than that. I will not be able to repeat the words she said.

Yes, the guy who abused her because of her being homosexual started it, but she went a step further to abuse an entire religion. She is responsible for everything she is going through now.

 

[light]

Not that i condone it but if your gonna talk rubbish like saying islam is a religion if hate then its no surprise people are gonna be upset Some to a point that will do say and do stupid things

What did she expect?

Not that I agree with what she did but on the other hand, someone (a Muslim) called her a dirty lesbian in a derogatory manner, give and take pretty much scenerio.

If anything that commentator started this nonsense - the article doesn't clearly say what made him say that. Let her mind her business, you mind your and get along nicely. But nope, everyone needs to put their nose where it doesn't belong these days.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Probably over 70% of world population are non muslim. out of those 70%, Most dont believe Islam to be a religion of God so they dont accept it, others have not much of an idea about it and the rest dont even believe in the existence of God.
so naturally there will be criticism from people who dont accept Islam. Not from all but from a small % of people. What we muslims have to do is very simple. If people have constructive criticism, knowledgeable among muslims will give response in a scholarly way. If people abuse, we will simply avoid and pray for the guidance from God.

 

[Tubs]

I understand the French language and to all the posters saying she just criticised Islam by just calling it a religion of hate and she just expressed her point of view, then trust me, she said much, much more than that. I will not be able to repeat the words she said.

Yes, the guy who abused her because of her being homosexual started it, but she went a step further to abuse an entire religion. She is responsible for everything she is going through now.

Responsible for rape and death threats? After she called the religion violent? Hmm.

 

[Waleed93]

Responsible for rape and death threats? After she called the religion violent? Hmm.

Again, she not only called Islam a religion of hate, she said many more things that nobody would like to hear about someone.

I am not defending rape and death threats, as it is against Islam. However, she is the one responsible for her disrespectful comments when she targeted billions of believers just because of one man, and the problems she is going through are just self-inflicted.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Responsible for rape and death threats? After she called the religion violent? Hmm.

Well to be fair, she has accepted responsibility as she said she doesn't regret anything she said. People get death threats for mistreating a puppy on youtube. She is fighting a worthy fight from her point of view, so why wouldn't she take responsibility?

 

[Tubs]

Again, she not only called Islam a religion of hate, she said many more things that nobody would like to hear about someone.

I am not defending rape and death threats, as it is against Islam. However, she is the one responsible for her disrespectful comments when she targeted billions of believers just because of one man, and the problems she is going through are just self-inflicted.

Well to be fair, she has accepted responsibility as she said she doesn't regret anything she said. People get death threats for mistreating a puppy on youtube. She is fighting a worthy fight from her point of view, so why wouldn't she take responsibility?

All well and good, but rape and death threats?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All well and good, but rape and death threats?

Rape and death threats are pretty disgusting, but they are not that uncommon on social media, one of the reasons why there have been calls for more crackdowns on facebook, twitter and the like. Of course that will lead to less freedom of expression so I guess you choose your poison.

 

[Tubs]

Rape and death threats are pretty disgusting, but they are not that uncommon on social media, one of the reasons why there have been calls for more crackdowns on facebook, twitter and the like. Of course that will lead to less freedom of expression so I guess you choose your poison.

Freedom of speech doesn't include incitement of violence. I know people like to smuggle that stuff in to start a conversation on restricting freedom of speech, but calls to violence never were part of it.

I support a person's right to say she will go to hell for being gay (or acting upon those desires) despite me thinking that it's a bogus and pretty disgusting claim, as it's freedom of speech. But threats of violence are not.

I also think you're deflecting a little. You were first saying because she doesn't regret the comments, she 'deserves' the threats? Stay true to your point, don't deflect with 'oh it happens on social media a lot'.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Freedom of speech doesn't include incitement of violence. I know people like to smuggle that stuff in to start a conversation on restricting freedom of speech, but calls to violence never were part of it.

I support a person's right to say she will go to hell for being gay (or acting upon those desires) despite me thinking that it's a bogus and pretty disgusting claim, as it's freedom of speech. But threats of violence are not.

I also think you're deflecting a little. You were first saying because she doesn't regret the comments, she 'deserves' the threats? Stay true to your point, don't deflect with 'oh it happens on social media a lot'.

But rape and death threats are pretty common on social media. I already said they are disgusting. So you think I am deflecting by telling the truth?

 

[Tubs]

But rape and death threats are pretty common on social media. I already said they are disgusting. So you think I am deflecting by telling the truth?

Yes, you made a very slight reference to it being common on social media, but your main point was 'she stands by what she said, so she should accept it'.

If a Muslim said that gays are disgusting (which they are allowed to say, freedom of speech despite me thinking that view is repugnant) and got death threats, that is certainly wrong, and saying 'oh well, social media lol' is irrelevant.

 

[moghul]

You don't have to agree to her comments but better ignore her rather than creating a big fuss about it. In Western society everyone has right to say whatever( almost ) he/she wants to , no need for Muslims to get excited about it.

 

[Gilly]

No one can blame their own actions on another person. You and you alone are responsible for what you say and do.

Muslims do however have the luxury of expressing their hate for the west.

 

[sweep_shot]

No one can blame their own actions on another person. You and you alone are responsible for what you say and do.

Muslims do however have the luxury of expressing their hate for the west.

Some Muslims hate west but not all. I personally don't hate west although I criticize certain aspects of west. For example - I criticize US foreign policy which I think is a disaster.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes, you made a very slight reference to it being common on social media, but your main point was 'she stands by what she said, so she should accept it'.

If a Muslim said that gays are disgusting (which they are allowed to say, freedom of speech despite me thinking that view is repugnant) and got death threats, that is certainly wrong, and saying 'oh well, social media lol' is irrelevant.

I didn't say she should accept it, I said she had taken responsibility by confirming she didn't regret anything she said. I didn't say 'oh well, social media lol' either. It is quite telling that you need to change my words every time you want to push your narrative.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one can blame their own actions on another person. You and you alone are responsible for what you say and do.

Muslims do however have the luxury of expressing their hate for the west.

Expressing hate isn't a luxury, it's a western right, and not just reserved for Muslims as this topic should demonstrate.

 

[Itachi]

Exactly. She abused an entire religion based on the comment of someone who had a Muslim sounding name. She's the ignorant one in this but of course will come out looking like a victim and likely profit off it too.

It was a response to dirty lesbian. Question that arise is, is there a clean lesbian?

If not, then the guy criticized her based upon her sexuality (which isn't illegal since homosexuality is legalized) and that itself isn't difference than what she did.

 

[liam26]

Dont know why she had to target the religion of the person who insulted her because Muslims are not the only group who consider Gays and Lesbians as dirty, deviants, maniacs or whatever they are called, there are many other groups with same opinion of homosexuals.

 

[Gilly]

Expressing hate isn't a luxury, it's a western right, and not just reserved for Muslims as this topic should demonstrate.

That is my point, if you express hatred its because of the type of person you are. In this instance it will be hateful lesbians arguing with hateful muslims. Just people expressing hatred.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is my point, if you express hatred its because of the type of person you are. In this instance it will be hateful lesbians arguing with hateful muslims. Just people expressing hatred.

Indeed.

 

[Tubs]

I didn't say she should accept it, I said she had taken responsibility by confirming she didn't regret anything she said. I didn't say 'oh well, social media lol' either. It is quite telling that you need to change my words every time you want to push your narrative.

My 'narrative' is that you shouldn't give rape and death threats, no matter how offended you are. Obviously I was being hyperbolic. If it were reversed, and a Muslim female was getting threats I know your views would be different.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My 'narrative' is that you shouldn't give rape and death threats, no matter how offended you are. Obviously I was being hyperbolic. If it were reversed, and a Muslim female was getting threats I know your views would be different.

Rape and death threats seem to be a by product of social media anonymity. Topically enough, with the news of Caroline Flack's suicide, I was reading that Love Island contestants get rape and death threats. That is how blase some people are when they can hide behind a computer screen.