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Millions of Muslim refugees could flee India: Pakistan PM Imran Khan

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Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan has said millions of Muslims living in India would be forced to leave as a result of India's new citizenship law, and the ongoing curfew in Indian-administered Kashmir - creating what he termed "a refugee crisis that would dwarf other crises".

Addressing the Global Refugee Forum in Geneva on Tuesday, the Pakistani leader said his country would not be able to accommodate more refugees and urged the world to "step in now".

"We in Pakistan are not just worried that there will be a refugee crisis. We are worried that this could lead to a conflict, a conflict between two nuclear-armed countries," said Khan.

Last week, India passed a law, which was an amendment to 1955 legislation, allowing Indian citizenship to "persecuted" minorities - Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians - from Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Pakistan, but makes no reference to Muslims.

Indian legal experts say the law violates the country's secular constitution, while thousands of Muslims and civil society groups are protesting in the country, fearing the legislation could marginalise the country's 200 million Muslims.

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres were in attendance as Khan spoke.

Kashmir lockdown

On the four-month-long lockdown in Indian-administered Kashmir, Khan said the professed aim of his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi's government was to change the demography of the region.

"The most important thing the world needs to understand is that the professed aim is to change the demography of Kashmir from a Muslim majority to a Muslim minority," he said.

"We know from our past experience prevention is better than cure. If the world acts right now and put pressure on Indian government to stop this illegal activity, we can prevent this crisis."

Ties between the two nuclear rivals plummeted to a new low following India's August 5 move scrapping the special status of Jammu and Kashmir, India's only Muslim-majority state. Later in October, New Delhi divided the state into two federally-run territories.

The Himalayan region of Kashmir is divided between the two neighbours in parts with both claiming it in full.

Some Kashmiri groups have been fighting against the Indian rule for independence or a merger with Pakistan.

Indian-administered Kashmir, home to nearly eight million people, remains under lockdown for more than four months, with internet and mobile phones suspended since August 5.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...e-india-pakistan-pm-khan-191217102410112.html
 
What if this is like 1971 2.0?

Muslim refugees flood Pakistan and Pakistan is then forced to fight a war against India but what would the outcome be?
Don't think Indian muslim want a seperate country
 
What if this is like 1971 2.0?

Muslim refugees flood Pakistan and Pakistan is then forced to fight a war against India but what would the outcome be?
Don't think Indian muslim want a seperate country

Hardly any pakistani origin illegal immigrants. Most are Bangladeshis. So hardly any chance of people going to Pakistan.
 
If millions of refugees come to Pakistan from India then Pakistan would be forced to fight a war against India.
 
Most of the illegal immigrants in India are from Bangladesh, not Pakistan.
 
Pakistan is not a state in which anyone wishes to come. Not even a Muslim like me
 
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Pakistan is not a state in which anyone wishes to come. Not even a Muslim like me
Beggars can't be chooses
I'm sure muslim refugees wouldn't mind Pakistan. Some shias may have some concerns but it shouldn't be too bad for them. But for Ahmadis, it can be a disaster IMHO.
 
That's what I am saying. Ahmadi can live in India even if they are treating like second class citizens. But it's a suicidal to go to Pakistan Where your family will be killed anytime
 
Beggars can't be chooses
I'm sure muslim refugees wouldn't mind Pakistan. Some shias may have some concerns but it shouldn't be too bad for them. But for Ahmadis, it can be a disaster IMHO.

choosers*
 
That's what I am saying. Ahmadi can live in India even if they are treating like second class citizens. But it's a suicidal to go to Pakistan Where your family will be killed anytime

You're talking as if Pakistan is Afghanistan.

In the major, developed cities of Pakistan such as Lahore, Islamabad etc. No one really cares about what your religion is. I've actually met a few atheists and they don't find it hard to live in Pakistan.

The problem starts when you go to the villages or the less developed areas then you might have a problem. You may feel threatened there.

So the conclusion is that if you stay in the major cities of Pakistan, you'll be as safe as if you were living in any other South Asian country. Problems only arise when you go to the less developed areas. Avoid those areas (to live in I mean) and you should be fine.
 
You're talking as if Pakistan is Afghanistan.

In the major, developed cities of Pakistan such as Lahore, Islamabad etc. No one really cares what your religion is. I've actually met a few atheists and they don't find it hard to live in Pakistan.

The problem starts when you go to the villages or the less developed areas then you might have a problem.

So the conclusion is that if you stay in the major cities of Pakistan, you'll be as safe as if you were living in any other South Asian country. Problems only arise when you go to the less developed areas. Avoid those areas (to live in I mean) and you should be fine.

There is no issue in South of India, West and Bengal, even in villages as such.

In Kerala the few radicals actually went an cut off a hand of Christian principal because of alleged defamation on Prophet.. so yeah.

Plus most of these states where it’s peaceful is where white collar jobs are present..

Issue is in UP, Rajasthan,MP,Bihar.
 
[MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] do you even imagine that the urban class posters here who belongs to elite class ask me to do not say me as Ahmadi muslim. then how can you say that Lahore, Islamabad metro people don't have problem me being an Ahmadi.
 
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Rajasthan is not like you showing. It is different from UP, Delhi. Here people are living peaceful.
 
[MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] do you even imagine that the urban class posters here who belongs to elite class ask me to do not say me as Ahmadi muslim. then how can you say that Lahore, Islamabad metro people don't have problem me being an Ahmadi.

By problem, I meant that they won't kill you.
They may not like Ahmadis and there is definitely some discrimination for Ahmadis but it's not THAT bad. I'm talking through first hand experience. People may talk behind your back about you being an Ahmadi but that would be temporary and no one will care that much after.
 
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Rajasthan is not like you showing. It is different from UP, Delhi. Here people are living peaceful.i am from Barmer, Rajasthan
 
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[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Rajasthan is not like you showing. It is different from UP, Delhi. Here people are living peaceful.

They are majorly atleast that's what I thought..but then last 5 years have not been stable in villages.. cities obviously are safe..
 
Why? What is Pakistan's problem with Muslim refugees?

It doesn't matter if the refugees are muslims or not. We already have 3 million (probably more) Afghan refugees. It's just not sustainable for us to have a large influx of refugees coming in to our country.
 
It doesn't matter if the refugees are muslims or not. We already have 3 million (probably more) Afghan refugees. It's just not sustainable for us to have a large influx of refugees coming in to our country.

But but but India should take in Muslim from 3 islamic countries.
 
But but but India should take in Muslim from 3 islamic countries.

What do you mean but but but?

You're willing to take in refugees from any religion EXCEPT muslims.

So this shows that non-muslims refugees are not the problem for you but Muslim refugees are. This also shows that it's sustainable for you to take in refugees but you don't want muslim refugees even though you can support them. That's discrimination.

For us, ALL refugees should not be allowed. We can't have refugees of ANY religion because it's not sustainable for us.

Comparing our situation with yours is absurd
 
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By problem, I meant that they won't kill you.
They may not like Ahmadis and there is definitely some discrimination for Ahmadis but it's not THAT bad. I'm talking through first hand experience. People may talk behind your back about you being an Ahmadi but that would be temporary and no one will care that much after.

I have done research on Chenabnagar, an ahmedi area in Pakistan. It seem to me that outsiders are not welcome there. unfortunately, this even includes people that have left ahmedism. They are shunned by their family and communities. It seems that Ahmedis discriminate too.
 
What do you mean but but but?

You're willing to take in refugees from any religion EXCEPT muslims.

So this shows that non-muslims refugees are not the problem for you but Muslim refugees are. This also shows that it's sustainable for you to take in refugees but you don't want muslim refugees even though you can support them. That's discrimination.

For us, ALL refugees should not be allowed. We can't have refugees of ANY religion because it's not sustainable for us.

Comparing our situation with yours is absurd

Because for Muslims a country was formed in 1947 and resources divided. After giving muslims their land, we are not accepting them back from these very lands.
 
Hardly any pakistani origin illegal immigrants. Most are Bangladeshis. So hardly any chance of people going to Pakistan.

Most of the illegal immigrants in India are from Bangladesh, not Pakistan.

Beggars can't be chooses
I'm sure muslim refugees wouldn't mind Pakistan. Some shias may have some concerns but it shouldn't be too bad for them. But for Ahmadis, it can be a disaster IMHO.

All this is political point scoring, nothing else. In reality no one want to take refugees from other country. We did it for Afghanistan years ago and we are still facing problems.

Shiaas won't have any concerns because in Pakistan there are lots of Shiaas.
 
Because for Muslims a country was formed in 1947 and resources divided. After giving muslims their land, we are not accepting them back from these very lands.

Partitions come and partitions go. Today you can rejoice in the division along religious lines, tomorrow might see all false borders wiped from existence. This is a fluid situation.
 
Indian Muslims can go to Bangladesh when that border is where most of the fighting is happening. Pak will not let them in, no way. We can not accommodate such a large number of people neither can I stand traitors who mocked our Quaid. Still remember Mahmood Madani telling Musharraf in Delhi many years back how Indian Muslim's don't need Pak's help but can resolved all their own problems. Well, it's time to prove it now or be battered like no one's business. Hey Salman and Shahrukh Khan why don't you guy's do something to help your people by flexing your muscles!? Your true cowardice is for all too see when you are as quiet as mice.
 
Pakistan should accept people asking for refuge in their country as India did give refuge to Pakistanis in 1970 during indo-pak war. No we can't call them bangladeshis as there was no 'Bangladesh' in 1970 , they are east pakistanis , so I believe pakistan should take them back.

Correct me if my understanding is incorrect.
 
I think Pakistan should pass its own version of the law which will admit Muslim refugees from the neighboring countries just to spite India.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rightly said boss! Modi is losing time. His Hindutva based ideology is being resisted not only in IOJ&K but all across India too. He must undo his actions in IOJ&K and CAB against minorities. Otherwise he is fast reaching his destiny. <a href="https://t.co/6f9i7P6Okp">https://t.co/6f9i7P6Okp</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1209474121408663553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Chennai: Jacob Lindenthal, a postgraduate student of physics at the Indian Institute of Technology-Madras (IIT Madras), left for Amsterdam on Monday after his participation in an anti-Citizenship Act (CAA) protest last week landed him in trouble with the immigration department.

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Officers in Chennai informed him that his participation was in violation of visa rules. Lindenthal, who was here on an exchange programme, was attached to the Physics Department of the institute.

“There were apparently administration issues with my visa. After ruling these out, I was extensively questioned by the immigration officer about my political opinions. Then I was informed about the decision (asking me to leave),” he told News18.

Lindenthal left for the Dutch capital on Monday night as the immigration department asked him to leave India by midnight or face deportation, he said.

"I was in Bengaluru this weekend. My coordinator told me today (Monday) that I should go to the immigration office. I went there and was told that I have to leave the country. This happened at 2pm today and I had to leave IIT Madras campus at 3pm. I have to consult my lawyers and decide my next course of action,” he said.

When asked about his participation in the rallies so far, he said, “I just accompanied my friends. I didn't raise any opinion or opposition. Since Section 144 was not imposed, I just went with friends to Chepauk and Valluvar Kottam.”

However, Lindenthal added that when he was interviewed by mediapersons during the demonstrations, his statements were based on the Indian Constitution. Reply to queries by e-mail is awaited from IIT Madras.

Holding a placard that had an indirect reference to the Nazi persecution of the Jews in Germany between 1933-1945 during the Hitler regime, he had told co-participants at a protest here last week that small measures against Jews had not attracted much attention initially. Such measures eventually led to their mass killings, he had said.

The placard read "1933-1945 We have been there." He had also held another one which read, "No democracy without dissent."

Lindenthal, who had also taken part in a protest at the institute's Gajendra Circle against the amendment to the Citizenship Act, was a student of the Technical University of Dresden in Germany.

Pursuing his Masters degree, he came to India in July this year and his programme was to end next year at IIT Madras.

An IIT student body, Chinta Bar, said he was asked to leave the country by the immigration department due to his participation in the anti-CAA protests.

Immigration authorities were unavailable for comments.

In a tweet, Jakob said: "I will be alright. The best thing to do now: Change the world. A white guy evicted from India may get more media coverage, but this happens every day for even flimsier reasons and some people have nobody to call and nowhere to go."

https://www.news18.com/news/india/c...an-section-144-chennai-bengaluru-2434245.html
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The int community should wake up before RSS on the move leads to genocide of Muslims that will dwarf other genocides. Whenever militias like Hitler's Brown Shirts or RSS are formed, based upon hatred of a certain community, it always ends in genocide. <a href="https://t.co/bnxJknIbO6">https://t.co/bnxJknIbO6</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1210216027663011840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The int community should wake up before RSS on the move leads to genocide of Muslims that will dwarf other genocides. Whenever militias like Hitler's Brown Shirts or RSS are formed, based upon hatred of a certain community, it always ends in genocide. <a href="https://t.co/bnxJknIbO6">https://t.co/bnxJknIbO6</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1210216027663011840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I never expected this from Telengana, actually any of the South Indian states. But Kanrnataka is kind of a weird place so that was understandable. But Telengana damn. Tamil Nadu and Kerala are probably the last two states to be infiltrated. Won't happen in Tamil Nadu, I can guarantee that.
 
Chennai: Jacob Lindenthal, a postgraduate student of physics at the Indian Institute of Technology-Madras (IIT Madras), left for Amsterdam on Monday after his participation in an anti-Citizenship Act (CAA) protest last week landed him in trouble with the immigration department.

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Officers in Chennai informed him that his participation was in violation of visa rules. Lindenthal, who was here on an exchange programme, was attached to the Physics Department of the institute.

“There were apparently administration issues with my visa. After ruling these out, I was extensively questioned by the immigration officer about my political opinions. Then I was informed about the decision (asking me to leave),” he told News18.

Lindenthal left for the Dutch capital on Monday night as the immigration department asked him to leave India by midnight or face deportation, he said.

"I was in Bengaluru this weekend. My coordinator told me today (Monday) that I should go to the immigration office. I went there and was told that I have to leave the country. This happened at 2pm today and I had to leave IIT Madras campus at 3pm. I have to consult my lawyers and decide my next course of action,” he said.

When asked about his participation in the rallies so far, he said, “I just accompanied my friends. I didn't raise any opinion or opposition. Since Section 144 was not imposed, I just went with friends to Chepauk and Valluvar Kottam.”

However, Lindenthal added that when he was interviewed by mediapersons during the demonstrations, his statements were based on the Indian Constitution. Reply to queries by e-mail is awaited from IIT Madras.

Holding a placard that had an indirect reference to the Nazi persecution of the Jews in Germany between 1933-1945 during the Hitler regime, he had told co-participants at a protest here last week that small measures against Jews had not attracted much attention initially. Such measures eventually led to their mass killings, he had said.

The placard read "1933-1945 We have been there." He had also held another one which read, "No democracy without dissent."

Lindenthal, who had also taken part in a protest at the institute's Gajendra Circle against the amendment to the Citizenship Act, was a student of the Technical University of Dresden in Germany.

Pursuing his Masters degree, he came to India in July this year and his programme was to end next year at IIT Madras.

An IIT student body, Chinta Bar, said he was asked to leave the country by the immigration department due to his participation in the anti-CAA protests.

Immigration authorities were unavailable for comments.

In a tweet, Jakob said: "I will be alright. The best thing to do now: Change the world. A white guy evicted from India may get more media coverage, but this happens every day for even flimsier reasons and some people have nobody to call and nowhere to go."

https://www.news18.com/news/india/c...an-section-144-chennai-bengaluru-2434245.html

Ind has become a basket case very quickly. I thought IK was exaggerating but it seems he was right. The only heartening thing is that many educated Inds have realised that you can't build modern countries on hate.
 
Ind has become a basket case very quickly. I thought IK was exaggerating but it seems he was right. The only heartening thing is that many educated Inds have realised that you can't build modern countries on hate.

Nothing they can do to stop the monster that has grown under their noses. India's liberals have failed
 
Ind has become a basket case very quickly. I thought IK was exaggerating but it seems he was right. The only heartening thing is that many educated Inds have realised that you can't build modern countries on hate.

He was on a student visa. Rules dont allow foreigners to do political activities in India.
 
Where will Muslim refugees run to? They will not run to Bangladesh as that is where they came from.

They will not run to Pakistan even if you offer them money. The only option for them is to run to Europe which is no easy task.

Basically Imran is a bit delusional here. Till now not one Muslim refugee ran from India.
 
Where will Muslim refugees run to? They will not run to Bangladesh as that is where they came from.

They will not run to Pakistan even if you offer them money. The only option for them is to run to Europe which is no easy task.

Basically Imran is a bit delusional here. Till now not one Muslim refugee ran from India.

You are brutally hurting the wishful. Not fair.
 
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