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Misbah-ul-Haq criticizes Mohammad Amir for his performance against the West Indies

Amir is bowling like Zaheer Khan now, when Zaheer was in form, he e was operating at Amir's current pace and was India's best bowler and quite successful too.
 
topspin said:
The question is who is behind 3 fast bowlers? Is it Sarfraz or Mickey? Or are their views mutual on the matter? I believe Mickey enforced the policy and Sarfraz being the yes man he is, went with it. So yes Sarfraz does deserve the blame here, even though he may have not come up this plan.

However, Misbah was also a yes man, so if the shoe was in his foot and he was working with Mickey (instead of Waqar), I could the see the same thing happening to be frankly honest.

Generally speaking, I find the expectations of Bilal Asif on PP to be unrealistic, because he is a defensive option (like many right-arm offies) and he’s there to accumulate dot balls. The pressure built from this is meant to be exploited by the attacking spinner in the duo (in this case Yasir). I think he has done okay so far in the UAE, but definitely not good enough to be considered a bowling all-rounder. Certainly not good enough to bat at 8.

Ideally you want a leggie, leftie (chinaman or finger spin) and right-arm orthodox. I would like to see a test bowling attack of Yasir/Shadab, Asghar and Bilal Asif (don’t know if we have a better right-arm offie) if we can accommodate these three somehow.
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I agree Mickey could have been the one with those poor plans but as you said that Sarfaraz should be blamed equally.

Misbah also captained under Mickey for few series and his home record still remained unbeaten and during the same time we drew test series with Eng 2-2 to become number one side and beaten WI first time ever in away test series. Misbah knew what he wanted and had proper plans, when you can logically convince which he might have done with coach then everybody listens as it was Mickey’s coaching career at stake as well.

I dont think Sarfaraz had clear plans in Tests or any logical ideas to put in front of Mickey or contribute in any way. If he had and he didn’t contribute then that still makes him a poor captain.

Regarding Bilal Asif, i am of the belief that you should play your best bowlers instead of going with artficial variety. When Bilal Asif was selected for those test series, he was averaging around 32, 33 with bowl in FC and there were countless other spinners who were young and had better bowling records than him.
 
Only one Pakistani player performed today, Amir, and Misbah picked him . Must be a personal matter, Misbah never cared about Pakistan team, he was always a selfish person.
 
moghul said:
Amir is bowling like Zaheer Khan now, when Zaheer was in form, he e was operating at Amir's current pace and was India's best bowler and quite successful too.
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Zaheer at the end of his career relied on his swing and had a lot of control on ball movement. Amir at the moment is struggling with swing as well. Wickets today was because of his accuracy but mainly because of the bounce in the wicket. To operate in mid early 130s you need to have the ability to swing the ball both ways with control.
 
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Titan24 said:
Zaheer at the end of his career relied on his swing and had a lot of control on ball movement. Amir at the moment is struggling with swing as well. Wickets today was because of his accuracy but mainly because of the bounce in the wicket. To operate in mid early 130s you need to have the ability to swing the ball both ways with control.
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I'm talking about Zaheer's pace when he was at his peak, he was 130-135 K bower, like today's Amir, at the end of his career, he was slower, more like 127-129 K.
 
Amir did bowl well but his pace was down he should bowl atleast 85 miles and he doesn't get hit for runs.I have hardly seen him going for runs.He should definitely play each and every match.
 
moghul said:
Amir is bowling like Zaheer Khan now, when Zaheer was in form, he e was operating at Amir's current pace and was India's best bowler and quite successful too.
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Zak never lost his swing right till the end. Aamir is using accuracy to good effect though. Hardly any freebie balls. With his wrists he was able to extract bounce from a good length on the same surface where Wahab really had to bang it in to extract bounce. He still has skill left. Pace is something he has lost for good. As long as his economy is good he should be part of the XI.
 
Yeah the only guy who looked threatening and picked up wickets was the problem. But look at the pace from Hasan yaar oooooffff. Who cares if he's averaging 70+ with the bowl in the last year and getting smoked by almost every team. He's got the swagger yaar. And come on guys Hasan is a beast in the PSL so please no one criticize him.

:facepalm: didn't expect this from Misbah of all people out here praising our worst ODI bowler in the past year.
 
Looking at how left hand seamers have the habit of taking more wickets in world cup i back AMir to be one of the highest wicket taker in the world cup. Cottrell. Behrendoff, Boult are in contention as well. But Behrendoff has a knack of picking up wickets regularly.
 
I think, Amir was coming back from a illness break, bowled within himself. I am sure he can teach 140Ks, but today they were defending 105 - he decided to get into rhythm in this game. Those 3 wickets were almost bonus because at this pace he won’t get many when it matters. Bravo’s wicket was a good ball but the other two were gifted wicket.

Misbah is right in questioning his motivation to bowl fast (or lack of pace), but don’t think any other PAK player deserves anything but humiliation today. Losing to WIN is not a big deal but losing in such fashion is shameful. I haven’t heard Misbah’s exact words, but if he had praised Hasan in the same speech, then have to say it’s personal against Amir. Hasan was pure filth today.
 
I guess Misbah was trying to point out the lack of effort from Amir. Yes he took 3 wickets, but was he giving it his all? Misbah would know a thing or two after being captain for so long.

Amir's lack of effort is clearly visible when he is fielding and especially when he is batting. He used to be a decent bat, but recently he has turned into Chris Martin.
 
Abdul Razzaq is on Geo mentioned he suspected Amir lied about his age and that he is a lot older than 27. He said Amir is already bowling as a 33-34 year old.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir bowled quite well, but his lack of pace is going to an issue moving forward. You have to be right on the money every ball if you are going to operate at 81-83 mph.

He might have troubles WI today, but he is not going to do much against most teams if he doesn’t add a few clicks without losing his accuracy. Anyway, he was the only half-positive today.
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Agree with this. I don't really buy into this idea that he is not the same bowler he was, I've seen him bowl much quicker deliveries around 146kph recently, but he keeps the majority of his deliveries in the 130s.

We saw the same with Hasnain, started off like a house on fire then deliberately dropped his speed in recent internationals, then suddenly went back to full pace against Afghanistan.

I wonder if it is a coaching ploy?
 
Savak said:
Abdul Razzaq is on Geo mentioned he suspected Amir lied about his age and that he is a lot older than 27. He said Amir is already bowling as a 33-34 year old.
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He is not that old. Razzler was probably talking about his own age fudging. Aamir is probably around 2-3 years older than his stated age though. Around 30 I guess.
 
Savak said:
Abdul Razzaq is on Geo mentioned he suspected Amir lied about his age and that he is a lot older than 27. He said Amir is already bowling as a 33-34 year old.
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Impossible.

Amir passed the ICC age verification test before the U-19 WC.
 
Expected such analysis from most of Pakistani pundits but misbah seemed like a sensible one. What happened to him? Does he get paid by media to target players? I don't think he actually believes this just saying as per the script given to him by TV channel?
 
topspin said:
Wallah I watched it hours ago. He praised Hasan Ali merely for his pace.

He did give credit to Amir for his wickets in his initial statement but criticised his lack of pace in the first over or so. That doesn't make sense and it's just poor reading of the game.

Amir with the new ball isn't going to try and bowl high 130s/140+ from the get go because he will want to bowl the optimal pace for swing. Now someone like Bumrah or Starc are naturally faster bowler, so they can aim for prodigious swing at a higher pace (high 130s or upto 140 max).
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Amir used to swing the ball at 140kph, so this argument doesn't hold that he was trying to swing the ball at optimal pace. Is 130kph the optimal pace to swing the ball for Amir? And he didn't even swing the ball at that pace. Amir at the Asia T20 cup and CT was swinging it at 140kph so there's no reason why he can't do that again. Boult swings it prodigiously at early 140kphs and has been doing it for a good 5 years now. Amir was gifted wickets today and won't get even 1 in the following matches if he continues at a thunderous speed of 81mph. Even Razzaq at the fag end of his career started his bowling spell at about 83-84mph.
 
topspin said:
Wallah I watched it hours ago. He praised Hasan Ali merely for his pace.

He did give credit to Amir for his wickets in his initial statement but criticised his lack of pace in the first over or so. That doesn't make sense and it's just poor reading of the game.

Amir with the new ball isn't going to try and bowl high 130s/140+ from the get go because he will want to bowl the optimal pace for swing. Now someone like Bumrah or Starc are naturally faster bowler, so they can aim for prodigious swing at a higher pace (high 130s or upto 140 max).
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shariqnoor said:
Amir used to swing the ball at 140kph, so this argument doesn't hold that he was trying to swing the ball at optimal pace. Is 130kph the optimal pace to swing the ball for Amir? And he didn't even swing the ball at that pace. Amir at the Asia T20 cup and CT was swinging it at 140kph so there's no reason why he can't do that again. Boult swings it prodigiously at early 140kphs and has been doing it for a good 5 years now. Amir was gifted wickets today and won't get even 1 in the following matches if he continues at a thunderous speed of 81mph. Even Razzaq at the fag end of his career started his bowling spell at about 83-84mph.
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bet you no Amir or Azhar mahmood would ever know the optimal speed required to generate swing. Only topspin bhai knows thanks to his extensive experience in mhuhalla cricket
 
Savak said:
Abdul Razzaq is on Geo mentioned he suspected Amir lied about his age and that he is a lot older than 27. He said Amir is already bowling as a 33-34 year old.
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Razzaq should be the last person talking about lying about his age. No one in Pakistan cricket history lied about his age more than Razzaq. He was officially 24-25 when his pace decreased significantly and at 30 he almost became a lower order batsman who would bowl 2-3 overs at around 124-126 pace.
 
Can someone who understands fast bowling better than I do explain the scrambled seam? He used to have a birlliant seam presentation until about a year ago. Since that's been lost, he is pretty much an Irfan Pathan
 
Misbah’s opinion should not be taken seriously. He was the worst ODI batsman in the history of the game. He has zero understanding of the game.
 
Come from a guy who use Misbah's word as a divine source. I bet if Misbah tell him to walk on the street with no cloth he will do it without any hesitation. Being a fan of a player is good but obsession with the player is worse.
So whom Misbah wants to replace Amir with? Gul or Sami both are very experience campaigner.
 
Major said:
:)) bro, those test are dramaybaazi, i have seen those test.

And its not conducted by ICC, its conducted by the board
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Ok its time to raise your voice against Amir and ban him. Wahab, Hasan are doing very good job in bowling. Its time to bring experience M Sami/Gul and replace Babar with Mr. Shafiq Technique so we can start winning. Don't forget to bring Zulfi and Kamran to replace Sadab and Fakhar as well.
 
A case of Rozaitis with Misbah.
This Pandemic arises every 10 months and 20 days and lasts for around 30 Days.:69::69:
 
Looking at the pitches they dish out for Asian countries, it is going to be bowler friendly. Amir will enjoy it here even at 50% of his full potential.
 
Of all the Pakistani players playing yesterday he decided to criticize the best performing one and then going on to praise bowlers like Hasan Ali and Wahab Riaz who are neither any good overall and were horrible yesterday.

This is basically his personal grudge against him ever since he returned to cricket in 2015, when Amir humiliated him in the BPL.

Terrible captain who lived of on chuckers and one one of the most selfish players ever to play criticizing others. Wow.
 
I respect Misbah, but he has to understand that Amir needs confidence to get his pace back.
He wants and needed wickets. Bowling fast without line and length accuracy is going to not help him. He picked up more wickets in one game than he did in years.

As the tourney evolves, Amir will bowl quicker. He needs confidence. He is by far our best and most intelligent bowler from the quicks.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Of all the Pakistani players playing yesterday he decided to criticize the best performing one and then going on to praise bowlers like Hasan Ali and Wahab Riaz who are neither any good overall and were horrible yesterday.

This is basically his personal grudge against him ever since he returned to cricket in 2015, when Amir humiliated him in the BPL.

Terrible captain who lived of on chuckers and one one of the most selfish players ever to play criticizing others. Wow.
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In deed!!! Don't forget he was the reason for mediocre timid player like Azhar Ali's became captain. He also played in Afghan league where their board criticize PCB out of no where for terrorism.
Should never be captain for the first place. He was the reason forsome of the promising players back then don't get selected over jokes of batsmen like Shafiq and Azhar.
 
As much as I like and respect Misbah, he pointed out the wrong person.

Amir looked like the old-Amir yesterday because of the fans backing him up and chanting his name.

And for his pace - what is the need of pace if we cannot buy a wicket because of it.
 
Why Misbah has nothing to say about the batting? Why target Amir who took three wickets? No wonder Misbah was a terrible LOI player and captain.
 
Amir is always a hard player to get away. He may not be amongst the wickets in recent times his class remains as he has been most economical bowler of Pakistan in recent times. Wis were trying to go after him and got burnt. If teams aren’t smart against him in this World Cup and go after him it may just bring him back to wicket taking form.
 
Amir bowled the same as he did for the past year; no pace, swing or seam. He got wickets because West Indies batsmen went after him to improve the NRR. If it was a normal game, batsmen would have played him cautiously and go after other bowlers. New Amir is only good at containing although he is expected to be making early breakthroughs. Misbah is right criticising his method of operation.
 
Major said:
Misbah said that while the target was 105 runs only,and Amir still got 3 wicekts, but being the premier pace bowler Amir didn't bowl well. He was bowling at 81 during the first over and this was bad, as you are giving the wrong message to the opponent.
He said his bowling had no swing and no zip

He made the position comfortable for them and didn't show intent.

He praised Hasan Ali, that although he went for runs, he was bowling at a good speed of 88-89 miles per hour.

While runs were given away, but that was because of Gayle.
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Misbah is spot on.



3 wickets. Ok.

2 of them came of ordinary deliveries and poor shots.

3rd wicket thanks to that patch on pitch which gave extra bounce ie bravo dismissal. Haris also got dismissed through same spot.



There was nothing inspiring about Amir's spell. No speed, no swing, no seam and same fearful efensive length.



Such filth won't work on good pitches.
 
How old is Razzak? Does he want to replace Amir? PCB should stay away from these former leeches.
 
Amir is 27 as per his court documents because they pcb needed to prove he was 18 During his court case and not 24
 
Captain caveman said:
I suspect he is around 30 - 31, but that still doesnt explain the drastic drop in his speed.
I was wondering, does amir smoke cigarettes?
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Look at his brittle physique. He was cricitizing bowlers for doing weights in an interview and when asked if he does a lot of weights, he responded "I am a bowler, not a wrestler". That explains his attitude and why his muscles are now failing to deal with the strain of international cricket
 
Misbah is absolutely right! I would rather have a guy running in hard and giving his 100% than a supposed " leader of the attack" trundling around, bowling defensively and getting lucky wickets. Did anyone see how happy he was when he got those wickets whereas the team was in extreme trouble, really tells for who he was playing. Hassan Ali is a naturally attacking bowler, he was doing whatever he could do with the little total he got to defend, so we can't really blame him. I'm still backing him to perform for his team because he has got the potential and has done it in the past. People who are praising Amir should get ready for a disappointment in the next match because Butler, Stokes, Morgan and Roy aren't going to be kind to him.
 
Amir is the best bowler in Pakistan to bowl if the pressure is on. I believe the England series result would have been a little different if Amir was playing, we desperately needed someone who could contain runs and get wickets in the process.
 
No wonder Misbah was a garbage captain. I hope and pray that this guy dedicates his life to social work and never takes up any job as mentor or coach. Will destroy another generation of cricketers.
 
Syed1 said:
No wonder Misbah was a garbage captain. I hope and pray that this guy dedicates his life to social work and never takes up any job as mentor or coach. Will destroy another generation of cricketers.
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Agree 100%.
 
Misbah said this after Windies game, in his video for Cricinfo, he gave a proper reason for it with which some can agree and some won't, after that he's praised Amir in other couple of videos, but some people just want to stick to same thing because it's suits their agenda.
 
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