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Yep, you read it right!!

Below are some of the traits and try to co-relate this with your experience working with your superiors :

1) Wins and Successes are mine , Losses are because of COVID or previous regime.. Ex : After SL series loss in 2019... his statement.. We were losing a lot, so this is nothing new

2) Favorites gets unlimited chances. Ex : Asif Ali, Ifti Chacha
3) Fill the system with friends . Ex : Making Azhar Ali captain (knowing he failed before.) In fact, his captaincy became so poor that reluctantly Misbah had to do agree with changing him..

4) Frustrate WHO tries to correct you or debate with your poor decisions. Ex: Imad Wasim, other players
5) Takes credit for some ones hard work . Ex : Babar Azam, Fakhar Zaman
6) Be in good understanding with higher ups, at the expense of ruining the system or the team
7) Always justify your position.. And save yourself and your superiors, instead of acknowledging your shortcomings or poor decisions

8) Those who don't agree, throw them under the bus . Ex : Sarfaraz, Imad, etc.
9) Blame someone who is not even available. Ex : Consistent criticism of Amir teven though he was not playing test matches.. All the test match losses in Australia is because Amir took retirement... Instead of accepting he just almost destroyed the career of inexperienced bowlers by playing them in Australia

10) Select friends for easy tasks and inexperienced youngsters for tough tours
 
Interesting observations - each of them carries some merit.
 
can we have a mega misbah hate thread and shift alll the dumb threads there, dont see a point in having threads where the tone is going to be same , which is just Misbah bashing.
 
can we have a mega misbah hate thread and shift alll the dumb threads there, dont see a point in having threads where the tone is going to be same , which is just Misbah bashing.

Deserved bashing btw
Very defensive,timid thinking
 
Yep, you read it right!!

Below are some of the traits and try to co-relate this with your experience working with your superiors :

1) Wins and Successes are mine , Losses are because of COVID or previous regime.. Ex : After SL series loss in 2019... his statement.. We were losing a lot, so this is nothing new

2) Favorites gets unlimited chances. Ex : Asif Ali, Ifti Chacha
3) Fill the system with friends . Ex : Making Azhar Ali captain (knowing he failed before.) In fact, his captaincy became so poor that reluctantly Misbah had to do agree with changing him..

4) Frustrate WHO tries to correct you or debate with your poor decisions. Ex: Imad Wasim, other players
5) Takes credit for some ones hard work . Ex : Babar Azam, Fakhar Zaman
6) Be in good understanding with higher ups, at the expense of ruining the system or the team
7) Always justify your position.. And save yourself and your superiors, instead of acknowledging your shortcomings or poor decisions

8) Those who don't agree, throw them under the bus . Ex : Sarfaraz, Imad, etc.
9) Blame someone who is not even available. Ex : Consistent criticism of Amir teven though he was not playing test matches.. All the test match losses in Australia is because Amir took retirement... Instead of accepting he just almost destroyed the career of inexperienced bowlers by playing them in Australia

10) Select friends for easy tasks and inexperienced youngsters for tough tours

Alot of the stuff you're saying here is hearsay and its disingenuous to attribute that to Misbah just because you don't like him. Other stuff you're saying here is either only partly true or not true at all.

2) Favorites gets unlimited chances. Ex : Asif Ali, Ifti Chacha


Asif Ali, yes. Iftikhar not so much. He may be a favorite but if you bother to look up Iftikhar's numbers you will find out that he has been one of the best and most consistent performers in Domestic List A: 2016 onwards. And he hasn't even gotten enough chances that he has frankly, earned.


3) Fill the system with friends . Ex : Making Azhar Ali captain (knowing he failed before.) In fact, his captaincy became so poor that reluctantly Misbah had to do agree with changing him..

Pretty ignorant statement. Azhar Ali has been one of the few consistent performers for Pakistan in Test cricket during the last decade. He may not go down in history as an ATG but nobody can deny what he has achieved for Pakistan; including a triple century, that golden 2016 run, his role in Pakistan's rise to No.1 in the test rankings or the fact that he is Pakistan's fifth leading run-scorer of all-time.


4) Frustrate WHO tries to correct you or debate with your poor decisions. Ex: Imad Wasim, other players

You're passing your opinion coupled with unsubstantiated hearsay, you heard somewhere as a cold hard fact.


6) Be in good understanding with higher ups, at the expense of ruining the system or the team

Same as above. Unless you know the guy personally, this is like shooting an arrow in the wind. And explain to me how he ruined a system that was already ruined for decades and one that he barely had anything to do with. I can understand your opinion on him ruining the team but the PCB revamped the system and made him chief-selector/coach. I'm sure he has influence but its quite stretch to insinuate that Misbah is some sort of a mastermind who is responsible for all the chips falling in his favor


7) Always justify your position.. And save yourself and your superiors, instead of acknowledging your shortcomings or poor decisions

Can you name any other coach who would not confidently defend their decisions? Also, I don't think you watch press confrences in their entirety because Misbah and Babar, like any other captain-coach combo acknowledge the things that go wrong in a match, post-match. If you are expecting Misbah to come out and say "sorry, I was wrong" than you have some very unrealistic expectations. No coach in the world would do that.

As far as the higher ups part goes, the board is perfectly well-aware of how Misbah is doing. They can see it just like anyone else. If they wanted to fire what makes you think they wouldn't?


8) Those who don't agree, throw them under the bus . Ex : Sarfaraz, Imad, etc.

Sarfraz has been in horrific form since long before Misbah came on-board. He sunk Pakistan's unbeaten run in UAE as captain and barely ever performed with the bat once he became captain. Attributing that to Misbah is quite ludicrous since Safraz should have been gone long before Misbah came in. If there's anything Misbah needs to be blamed for its still keeping him in the squad.

As for Imad Wasim, its fairly obvious that Mohammad Wasim has a problem with him. Misbah selected him in every series when he was chief-selector so don't get where you've created this rift between Misbah and Imad.


9) Blame someone who is not even available. Ex : Consistent criticism of Amir teven though he was not playing test matches.. All the test match losses in Australia is because Amir took retirement... Instead of accepting he just almost destroyed the career of inexperienced bowlers by playing them in Australia

So you're saying Amir retiring just before the tour of Australia when Pakistan needed him most didn't hurt Pakistan at all? Who do you think Pakistan could have selected for that tour with Wahab and Amir retired and Hasan Ali out injured? Misbah made a bad decision selecting youngsters but its not like he was spoilt for options. He made his frustration on Amir and Wahab clear and if I was in his place I would have been frustrated too.

And if there's any sympathy one could have had for Amir there isn't any left after the repeated toxic comments he has made about Misbah and Waqar. Name one player who has openly made these kind of comments about an incumbent coach? It's simply not done and just goes to show what a characterless person Amir is.

He's not interested in playing any domestic cricket, will play all the T20, T10 leagues and expects to simply walk into the playing eleven?
 
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Alot of the stuff you're saying here is hearsay and its disingenuous to attribute that to Misbah just because you don't like him. Other stuff you're saying here is either only partly true or not true at all.

2) Favorites gets unlimited chances. Ex : Asif Ali, Ifti Chacha


Asif Ali, yes. Iftikhar not so much. He may be a favorite but if you bother to look up Iftikhar's numbers you will find out that he has been one of the best and most consistent performers in Domestic List A: 2016 onwards. And he hasn't even gotten enough chances that he has frankly, earned.


3) Fill the system with friends . Ex : Making Azhar Ali captain (knowing he failed before.) In fact, his captaincy became so poor that reluctantly Misbah had to do agree with changing him..

Pretty ignorant statement. Azhar Ali has been one of the few consistent performers for Pakistan in Test cricket during the last decade. He may not go down in history as an ATG but nobody can deny what he has achieved for Pakistan; including a triple century, that golden 2016 run, his role in Pakistan's rise to No.1 in the test rankings or the fact that he is Pakistan's fifth leading run-scorer of all-time.


4) Frustrate WHO tries to correct you or debate with your poor decisions. Ex: Imad Wasim, other players

You're passing your opinion coupled with unsubstantiated hearsay, you heard somewhere as a cold hard fact.


6) Be in good understanding with higher ups, at the expense of ruining the system or the team

Same as above. Unless you know the guy personally, this is like shooting an arrow in the wind. And explain to me how he ruined a system that was already ruined for decades and one that he barely had anything to do with. I can understand your opinion on him ruining the team but the PCB revamped the system and made him chief-selector/coach. I'm sure he has influence but its quite stretch to insinuate that Misbah is some sort of a mastermind who is responsible for all the chips falling in his favor


7) Always justify your position.. And save yourself and your superiors, instead of acknowledging your shortcomings or poor decisions

Can you name any other coach who would not confidently defend their decisions? Also, I don't think you watch press confrences in their entirety because Misbah and Babar, like any other captain-coach combo acknowledge the things that go wrong in a match, post-match. If you are expecting Misbah to come out and say "sorry, I was wrong" than you have some very unrealistic expectations. No coach in the world would do that.

As far as the higher ups part goes, the board is perfectly well-aware of how Misbah is doing. They can see it just like anyone else. If they wanted to fire what makes you think they wouldn't?


8) Those who don't agree, throw them under the bus . Ex : Sarfaraz, Imad, etc.

Sarfraz has been in horrific form since long before Misbah came on-board. He sunk Pakistan's unbeaten run in UAE as captain and barely ever performed with the bat once he became captain. Attributing that to Misbah is quite ludicrous since Safraz should have been gone long before Misbah came in. If there's anything Misbah needs to be blamed for its still keeping him in the squad.

As for Imad Wasim, its fairly obvious that Mohammad Wasim has a problem with him. Misbah selected him in every series when he was chief-selector so don't get where you've created this rift between Misbah and Imad.


9) Blame someone who is not even available. Ex : Consistent criticism of Amir teven though he was not playing test matches.. All the test match losses in Australia is because Amir took retirement... Instead of accepting he just almost destroyed the career of inexperienced bowlers by playing them in Australia

So you're saying Amir retiring just before the tour of Australia when Pakistan needed him most didn't hurt Pakistan at all? Who do you think Pakistan could have selected for that tour with Wahab and Amir retired and Hasan Ali out injured? Misbah made a bad decision selecting youngsters but its not like he was spoilt for options. He made his frustration on Amir and Wahab clear and if I was in his place I would have been frustrated too.

And if there's any sympathy one could have had for Amir there isn't any left after the repeated toxic comments he has made about Misbah and Waqar. Name one player who has openly made these kind of comments about an incumbent coach? It's simply not done and just goes to show what a characterless person Amir is.

He's not interested in playing any domestic cricket, will play all the T20, T10 leagues and expects to simply walk into the playing eleven?

Really well put.

Thing is analysis/judgement of most Pak fans' is based upon like or dislike they have towards individuals. In such a scenario when that player, coach etc is doing poorly it becomes really easy to criticize but, when performance is bit better than all sorts of theories come in in an effort to criticize that individual.

Yes there are quite a few aspects which needs to be improved with Pakistan team but, putting out one person on the stand like he has everything to do with such aspects without any facts and at most certain speculations around is pretty odd but, no surprising now as it is a pretty common occurrence.
 
Misbah is fine. Got nothing better available, the guy produces the cricket he wants. When someone else gets a go then let them.
 
The problem isn't Misbah, we have a dud of a middle order simple as that, if the players are not available then what can you do
 
Needless Misbah bashing and the points made are atrocious. The least you can do when you're bashing him is come up with factual arguments
 
He is pure torture. His defensive negative mindset has impacted us greatly during the last decade.

The arrogance that he shows during press conferences is on another level. No sense of introspection and self improvement at all, just blame game and deflection.
 
It's pathetic that pakistan Youngsters not getting proper exposure even against zimbos as their senior want's to up their average but they failed badly .
I would blame Mohammad waseem too he should've given completely different squad for Zimbabwe series .
It doesn't matter if you lose in the efforts of learning for the task ahead in future.
 
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It's pathetic that pakistan Youngsters not getting proper exposure even against zimbos as their senior want's to up their average but they failed badly .
I would blame Mohammad waseem too he should've given completely different squad for Zimbabwe series .
It doesn't matter if you lose in the efforts of learning for the task ahead in future.

We don't have the greatest bench strength. The team can't afford to go with a completely new line-up even against Zimbabwe. T20 is much more balanced than the longer forms. On any day a fighting team can win. Also he gave Haider Ali and Danish Aziz (youngsters) a go at 5 and 6, the two spots in the batting order open for someone to grab and make theirs. These two even got a prime chance to go off and show their talent but threw away their wickets. It is one match, hopefully these two get to play the remaining matches too. Ashraf, Hasnain (youngster), and Rauf (youngster cricketing wise) continue to get live match practice. I'm not sure what other line-up you want right now given our stocks.
 
It's pathetic that pakistan Youngsters not getting proper exposure even against zimbos as their senior want's to up their average but they failed badly .
I would blame Mohammad waseem too he should've given completely different squad for Zimbabwe series .
It doesn't matter if you lose in the efforts of learning for the task ahead in future.


You have to understand Zimbabwe are our true rivals now. They are capable of pushing us to our limits. So we cannot afford to use our bench strength on them. Pakistan currently has no C or B team it only has one team that's close to any Z team.
 
Enough of these Misbah hate threads, we pakistanis have gora complex.

We should be happy that our own misbah is lifting the team and we are heading towards right direction,
 
You have to understand Zimbabwe are our true rivals now. They are capable of pushing us to our limits. So we cannot afford to use our bench strength on them. Pakistan currently has no C or B team it only has one team that's close to any Z team.

Our players have focus issues, all our wickets fell in a silly manner, we are much better than this,
 
Enough of these Misbah hate threads, we pakistanis have gora complex.

We should be happy that our own misbah is lifting the team and we are heading towards right direction,

We don't have ....
But this defensive - negative mindset hurt Pakistan a lot in last one decade,
We did not even move an inch during Misbah's era ... (Now do not tell me that #1 test spot for few days, thank that to India instead)

Problem for PCB is they dont even look anything beyond Misbah...2 generations lost in Misbah (2010-2016ish) and now 2019 till don't know when
 
Dont get personal with each other - or posts will be deleted.
 
It's pathetic that pakistan Youngsters not getting proper exposure even against zimbos as their senior want's to up their average but they failed badly .
I would blame Mohammad waseem too he should've given completely different squad for Zimbabwe series .
It doesn't matter if you lose in the efforts of learning for the task ahead in future.


They played a full strength team even in the home series against Zimbabwe.

Misbah was never confident of his players or of himself, that his why he batted slow , never came up to bat at 3 earned the name tuk tuk. Now as coach doing the same, he will never be able to build a team.


Top 3 batters in ODI was given by MA, that’s what remains.

Rest everything all over the place. So far Haider ali has played in batting positions 1-6 shows how much they know to develop a player or form a team. Abdullah Shafique, got chances in NZL, home series no chances, he himself doesn’t know why he is in there in the squad.
 
Alot of the stuff you're saying here is hearsay and its disingenuous to attribute that to Misbah just because you don't like him. Other stuff you're saying here is either only partly true or not true at all.

2) Favorites gets unlimited chances. Ex : Asif Ali, Ifti Chacha


Asif Ali, yes. Iftikhar not so much. He may be a favorite but if you bother to look up Iftikhar's numbers you will find out that he has been one of the best and most consistent performers in Domestic List A: 2016 onwards. And he hasn't even gotten enough chances that he has frankly, earned.


3) Fill the system with friends . Ex : Making Azhar Ali captain (knowing he failed before.) In fact, his captaincy became so poor that reluctantly Misbah had to do agree with changing him..

Pretty ignorant statement. Azhar Ali has been one of the few consistent performers for Pakistan in Test cricket during the last decade. He may not go down in history as an ATG but nobody can deny what he has achieved for Pakistan; including a triple century, that golden 2016 run, his role in Pakistan's rise to No.1 in the test rankings or the fact that he is Pakistan's fifth leading run-scorer of all-time.


4) Frustrate WHO tries to correct you or debate with your poor decisions. Ex: Imad Wasim, other players

You're passing your opinion coupled with unsubstantiated hearsay, you heard somewhere as a cold hard fact.


6) Be in good understanding with higher ups, at the expense of ruining the system or the team

Same as above. Unless you know the guy personally, this is like shooting an arrow in the wind. And explain to me how he ruined a system that was already ruined for decades and one that he barely had anything to do with. I can understand your opinion on him ruining the team but the PCB revamped the system and made him chief-selector/coach. I'm sure he has influence but its quite stretch to insinuate that Misbah is some sort of a mastermind who is responsible for all the chips falling in his favor


7) Always justify your position.. And save yourself and your superiors, instead of acknowledging your shortcomings or poor decisions

Can you name any other coach who would not confidently defend their decisions? Also, I don't think you watch press confrences in their entirety because Misbah and Babar, like any other captain-coach combo acknowledge the things that go wrong in a match, post-match. If you are expecting Misbah to come out and say "sorry, I was wrong" than you have some very unrealistic expectations. No coach in the world would do that.

As far as the higher ups part goes, the board is perfectly well-aware of how Misbah is doing. They can see it just like anyone else. If they wanted to fire what makes you think they wouldn't?


8) Those who don't agree, throw them under the bus . Ex : Sarfaraz, Imad, etc.

Sarfraz has been in horrific form since long before Misbah came on-board. He sunk Pakistan's unbeaten run in UAE as captain and barely ever performed with the bat once he became captain. Attributing that to Misbah is quite ludicrous since Safraz should have been gone long before Misbah came in. If there's anything Misbah needs to be blamed for its still keeping him in the squad.

As for Imad Wasim, its fairly obvious that Mohammad Wasim has a problem with him. Misbah selected him in every series when he was chief-selector so don't get where you've created this rift between Misbah and Imad.


9) Blame someone who is not even available. Ex : Consistent criticism of Amir teven though he was not playing test matches.. All the test match losses in Australia is because Amir took retirement... Instead of accepting he just almost destroyed the career of inexperienced bowlers by playing them in Australia

So you're saying Amir retiring just before the tour of Australia when Pakistan needed him most didn't hurt Pakistan at all? Who do you think Pakistan could have selected for that tour with Wahab and Amir retired and Hasan Ali out injured? Misbah made a bad decision selecting youngsters but its not like he was spoilt for options. He made his frustration on Amir and Wahab clear and if I was in his place I would have been frustrated too.

And if there's any sympathy one could have had for Amir there isn't any left after the repeated toxic comments he has made about Misbah and Waqar. Name one player who has openly made these kind of comments about an incumbent coach? It's simply not done and just goes to show what a characterless person Amir is.

He's not interested in playing any domestic cricket, will play all the T20, T10 leagues and expects to simply walk into the playing eleven?

I don’t want to get into Imad wasim part, that’s purely different story nothing to do with Misbah.

Yes Asif ali and Ifthikar chachu are Misbahs buddies, no second thought about it. When MA and Inzi was in charge Ifthikar was nowhere to be seen.. soon after Misbah came he brought in the following list of players

Shehzad, U.Akmal, Ifthikar , Asif Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan , Irfan, Kashif bhatti + the rookies in Naseem Shah and Musa

Yes I agree that anyone would be frustrated with Amir’s retirement . Yes when frontline bowlers like Amir Wahab, are not there it is tough fill in their shoes , one would select players who were on th bench and are next in line for selection

Misbah had Rahat ali, Junaid Khan, Usman Shinwari, Mir Hamza, Ehsan Adil, and that season performer Sameen Gul.

He took Naseem shah and Musa , which pushed Pakistan to maximum embarrassment for a pace bowling sensation country.

He had Shaheen and Abbas doing ok, just needed another seamer to pair up the opening bowlers Rahat ali or Ehsan Adil could have easily fit that spot. Rahat ali is a good swing bowler , yes he goes off for runs but makes up with taking wickets, also back then he had a good PsL too and was on rhythm

Just for comparison take the LOI team and it’s batting order right from Misbah/Waqar took in charge with what they had under MA. Give these two 10 years time , they would still no be able to find any one to bat for them.


These two have been in charge at different capacity for 6 years in the last decade , name one player who bowls like Shaheen , bats like Babar or Fakhar, or an all rounder like Faheem.
 
If I could change one thing in Pakistan cricket, it would be Misbah never making his debut and taking up cricket at the international level. He is a timid, incompetent and deceitful player as well as a person. The way he discarded Imad and continues to play his best mate Asif is worthy of a prison sentence.
 
If I could change one thing in Pakistan cricket, it would be Misbah never making his debut and taking up cricket at the international level. He is a timid, incompetent and deceitful player as well as a person. The way he discarded Imad and continues to play his best mate Asif is worthy of a prison sentence.


He plays Asif ali again and again. Seriously this should be nepotism of another level.
 
Just wait till WT20, we will see more lows from Misbah and his buddies (like Asif Ali etc.)

Again, South Africa series was an eye wash (they are going through their lowest in last 30 years, board is almost non functional, players worrying about their careers opting for IPL, etc..) And we celebrated that as some kind of greatest achievement

Misbah lovers wanted perfect results from MA - Inzi - Sarfaraz, but will overlook embarrassments like this from Misbah ... What a love, looks like they are paid by Misbah..
 
The quicker we get rid of his negative toxic cancerous influence over the team the better
 
The quicker we get rid of his negative toxic cancerous influence over the team the better

Will never happen ..

There are Misbah fans who will justify everything for him, instead of caring about Pakistan team

Haven't we suffered a lot during his captaincy?
 
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Haven't we suffered a lot during his captaincy?

Not enough it seems. Pakistan cricket needed him as a coach and in the future will need him as a chairman. His journey won’t stop till he fully destroys cricket in Pakistan. Just like hockey cricket will eventually suffer the same fate due to this office manager.
 
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