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Misbah-ul-Haq vs Saleem Malik: Who was the better cricketer?

For me in tests its a hard choice since malik average of 44 in those days are equivalent to at least 50 now a day.

But in ODIs Saleem malik on his day played loads of clutch innings which Misbah could not. I created the thread looking at another thread about the Nehru cup in 89. He played two clutch innings in semi final and final with crazy strike rates for those days. He played plenty of other clutch innings as well including the Calcutta innings against india

Nehru cup final
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/65932.html

Nehru cup semi final

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65930.html

Calcutta innings

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64302.html

I like Misbah but don't think he ever played innings of the above calibre in ODIs

Admittedly Misbah is more consistant hence his average is much higher but not a match winner for sure at least not in Saleem Malik level
 
Tests : Saleem Malik > Misbah.

ODIs : Misbah > Saleem Malik.
 
Saleem Malik any day of the week in both formats for me as batsman. And he was a very good tactician too

The ODI bowling of Malik is a bonus with batting.
 
Salim Malik doesn't get the recognition he deserves as a cricketer because of the match fixing allegations. In his prime he was Pakistan's most dependable batsman. In fact Rashid Latif even to this day regrets the match fixing episode because in his view Malik was the most tactically smart and insightful captain the nation ever had.

Malik in his prime played that match winning innings against India.
 
malik saaheb. the first guy I ever saw, who really exploited the whole idea of backing away and hitting it over extra cover.
 
malik was on of the best players of spin, shane warne has even said how he found it hard to bowl to him
 
Malik any day. Not many ppl will go for malik coz of fixing issue, but he was a better bat than Misbah.
 
Strike Rate said:
Saleem Malik any day of the week in both formats for me as batsman. And he was a very good tactician too

The ODI bowling of Malik is a bonus with batting.
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Not a better tactician than Misbah. The guy is Pakistan's greatest test match captain of all time.

Atleast credit Misbah for what he has done for Pakistan in his respective day and age.

Specially when he has been a captain in exile himself, hasn't ever played a Home Test series as captain.

With people doubting Pakistan's credibility as a cricketing team, he has done a fantastic job.
 
We can argue on the batting of prowess of Misbah vs Malik, but Misbah > Malik as a captain anyday.

Plus honesty and integrity count alot in this job, regardless of which way you wanna put it. Doing your job with dedication, and giving a 100% every game. All this put Misbah miles ahead of Malik
 
Those who are saying Misbah in ODIs or any format have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

I'd take him over Younis as a batsman, let alone the comparison with Misbah.

He has a better SR than him while playing his cricket in the 80's and 90's; his average of 33 @76 is pretty much equivalent to ~40 @90 in modern day context.

Unfortunately, the match-fixing scandal has wiped out the memories and understanding of people; if the likes of Asif and Amir can be remembered for their skills and even Wasim (greatest match-fixer of them all) be remembered as a legend, why shouldn't Saleem be remembered as the inventive and crafty batsman that he was?

Apart from match-fixing scandal taking precedence, he was also overshadowed by Miandad, Inzamam and Saeed Anwar who stole the headlines, but were carried by him on many occasions.

Tremendous cricketing brain, a genius cricketer in my view and a cricketer whose legacy has been conveniently forgotten.
 
Mamoon said:
Those who are saying Misbah in ODIs or any format have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

I'd take him over Younis as a batsman, let alone the comparison with Misbah.

He has a better SR than him while playing his cricket in the 80's and 90's; his average of 33 @76 is pretty much equivalent to ~40 @90 in modern day context.

Unfortunately, the match-fixing scandal has wiped out the memories and understanding of people; if the likes of Asif and Amir can be remembered for their skills and even Wasim (greatest match-fixer of them all) be remembered as a legend, why shouldn't Saleem be remembered as the inventive and crafty batsman that he was?

Apart from match-fixing scandal taking precedence, he was also overshadowed by Miandad, Inzamam and Saeed Anwar who stole the headlines, but were carried by him on many occasions.

Tremendous cricketing brain, a genius cricketer in my view and a cricketer whose legacy has been conveniently forgotten.
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By tremendous brain you mean smart in tactics? Is it possible he gets associated with come junior coaching, NCA, etc, in some capacity, given that his life ban is probably evoked?
 
Asadullah said:
By tremendous brain you mean smart in tactics? Is it possible he gets associated with come junior coaching, NCA, etc, in some capacity, given that his life ban is probably evoked?
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Both captaincy and batting. He was always one step ahead of his opposition. I think he'll make a superb batting coach/head coach and if I recall correctly, he also showed his willingness to work with the PCB some time ago.

If we are ready to accept Amir and Asif back and have Wasim hold useless bowling camps once a year, there is no reason why someone like Malik to not be considered for a role. Either NCA or perhaps batting coach after G. Flower would be ideal.
 
Malik was a very good batsman . He played some innings that Misbah can only dream of.
 
Those who have seen Malik play won't even compare him to misbah. Misbah can't even take single to save his life. Compare that to Malik, who could take singles at will. Was such a classy player and absorbed pressure, with good strike rates for those days. He used to keep the scoreboard ticking. Not to mention he was a good partnership breaker type of bowler. Hence:
Malik >>> Misbah in both formats
 
Talent wise, there is no comparison. Malik's batting at most times was genius. Like many Pakistani batsmen, he didn't do justice to his talent and in hindsight, many of his innings may have been tainted.

At his peak, he would toy with bowlers at will. Played match winning innings all over the world. I remember him calling England 'pop-gun attack' on England tour and then top scoring in the next test on a devilish seaming pitch with two 80 plus scores (one of them not out I think) when the rest of Pakistani batting fell like a pack of cards.

Misbah and Malik - key difference - making use of talent.
 
Salim Malik was way better than Misbah not only in tests but in one day as well. Misbah could not find a place until all other batsman got retired while S Malik was playing at a time when we had enough batting resources.and don't forget he was a very handy bowler as well
 
I'm sure if Saleem played 80% of his cricket on UAE roads he'd be averaging close to Bradman. That's how good he was and that's how limited Misbah's batsmaship is.
 
ahmedzee said:
Those who have seen Malik play won't even compare him to misbah. Misbah can't even take single to save his life. Compare that to Malik, who could take singles at will. Was such a classy player and absorbed pressure, with good strike rates for those days. He used to keep the scoreboard ticking. Not to mention he was a good partnership breaker type of bowler. Hence:
Malik >>> Misbah in both formats
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and he wasn't an FTB either.

Average of 66.50 in England with 3 tons,50 in SA and 39 in Australia,51.66 in Sri Lanka.. That's a very very good overseas record to have for a Pakistani batsman. This comparison is just a joke.
 
S Malik was a genius with the bat of which only Misbah can dream.he was well ahead of his time,unfortunately some young member here haven't seen him while playing other wise every one knows that there is no comparison at all.according to many he is the best player of spin Pakistan ever produced.
 
compared with Misbah's batting skills....Malik is miles ahead of him regardless of format.

MILES.
 
Misbah v Faisal Iqbal would be a better comparison
 
No disrespect to Misbah , this is where statics give a true picture of each individual, Malik too smart for his own good.

Integrity counts for me , hence Misbah.

If I go with my instincts & have amnesia regarding Saleems mis deeds..... Then it's always Saleem with eyes shut.
 
Mamoon said:
Both captaincy and batting. He was always one step ahead of his opposition. I think he'll make a superb batting coach/head coach and if I recall correctly, he also showed his willingness to work with the PCB some time ago.

If we are ready to accept Amir and Asif back and have Wasim hold useless bowling camps once a year, there is no reason why someone like Malik to not be considered for a role. Either NCA or perhaps batting coach after G. Flower would be ideal.
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Thanks, reintegration should be across board. But don't think Grant is going anywhere soon. Got appreciation from Waqar, seems like players also like him. And if he has anything close to his brother's tactical insights, he might be useful in game plans.

I'd like him to work with U19s or A teams to develop them (since we have no proper grassroot coaching setup)
 
Malik way better in both formats. May be he has lost his legacy due to allegations, otherwise these questions wouldn't be surfacing at all.
 
Asadullah said:
Thanks, reintegration should be across board. But don't think Grant is going anywhere soon. Got appreciation from Waqar, seems like players also like him. And if he has anything close to his brother's tactical insights, he might be useful in game plans.

I'd like him to work with U19s or A teams to develop them (since we have no proper grassroot coaching setup)
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I am a big fan of the Waqar and Flower duo, but they won't be around forever. PCB needs Saleem Malik in some sort of position in the future, rather than going back to tried and tested failures and the likes of Inzamam etc. who push their religious propaganda and nothing more.
 
Mamoon said:
If we are ready to accept Amir and Asif back and have Wasim hold useless bowling camps once a year, there is no reason why someone like Malik to not be considered for a role. Either NCA or perhaps batting coach after G. Flower would be ideal.
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PCB is proving to be a hypocrite i don't remember exact details but i remember year ago Saleem Malik was organizing a charity match to setup fund or something like that to help old fc players who are not financially strong and are suffering he shared these details on a PTV Sports show when he appeared on screen after years. Saleem got an ok from many current pakistani players that they will participate but in the end PCB denied all of them and i think match was canceled. I guess they don't even want to see Saleem Malik name anymore so forget about coaching or working with PCB.

We as a nation have a very clear policy different rules and laws for big fishes. Steal billions and no need to worry but if you steal thousands or a few lakhs we will put in jail same goes in cricket if you are an icon like Wasim we will find a way to to protect you don't worry and you will have no issues even after retirement while making players like Saleem Malik and Atta ur Rehman the scapegoats.
 
Saleem Malik has to be one of the most underrated batsman in Pakistan cricket history.
 
Strike Rate said:
PCB is proving to be a hypocrite i don't remember exact details but i remember year ago Saleem Malik was organizing a charity match to setup fund or something like that to help old fc players who are not financially strong and are suffering he shared these details on a PTV Sports show when he appeared on screen after years. Saleem got an ok from many current pakistani players that they will participate but in the end PCB denied all of them and i think match was canceled. I guess they don't even want to see Saleem Malik name anymore so forget about coaching or working with PCB.

We as a nation have a very clear policy different rules and laws for big fishes. Steal billions and no need to worry but if you steal thousands or a few lakhs we will put in jail same goes in cricket if you are an icon like Wasim we will find a way to to protect you don't worry and you will have no issues even after retirement while making players like Saleem Malik and Atta ur Rehman the scapegoats.
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Agreed, unfortunately the old-timers' memory have failed them and the current generation have not read much into Pakistan's cricket history to realize what a gem Malik was.
 
Not surprisingly, the only one vouching for misbah on this thread is a well known misbahtard.
There is simply no comparison btw the two.
Malukk sahb is an unrecognised pak great
 
Fair enough to people arguing that Malik was better than Misbah in ODIs, but it's pertinent to note that his own team mates Saeed Anwar, Inzimam ul Haq and Javed Miandad all averaged in the 40s while striking at a similar SR or better.

Granted, Malik played some match winning gems the like of which Misbah couldn't dream if playing but that simply crystallises the viewpoint that Malik was a highly inconsistent player in ODIs, perhaps deliberately induced because of his match fixing.
 
Haroon786 said:
Fair enough to people arguing that Malik was better than Misbah in ODIs, but it's pertinent to note that his own team mates Saeed Anwar, Inzimam ul Haq and Javed Miandad all averaged in the 40s while striking at a similar SR or better.

Granted, Malik played some match winning gems the like of which Misbah couldn't dream if playing but that simply crystallises the viewpoint that Malik was a highly inconsistent player in ODIs, perhaps deliberately induced because of his match fixing.
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Is that true?

Anwar 39@81
Malik 33@76
Inzy 40@74
Miandad 42@67

Only Anwar can be said to be clearly ahead of Malik in terms of strike rate, but this is explainable on the basis of Anwar being an opener who enjoyed the benefits of field restrictions in the first 15 overs. Salim Malik was among the fastest scorers in the middle order (with the exception of Ijaz Ahmed, who was a big striker of the ball), his 33@76 is comparable to 40@85-90 these days.
 
IndianWillow said:
Is that true?

Anwar 39@81
Malik 33@76
Inzy 40@74
Miandad 42@67

Only Anwar can be said to be clearly ahead of Malik in terms of strike rate, but this is explainable on the basis of Anwar being an opener who enjoyed the benefits of field restrictions in the first 15 overs. Salim Malik was among the fastest scorers in the middle order (with the exception of Ijaz Ahmed, who was a big striker of the ball), his 33@76 is comparable to 40@85-90 these days.
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I did say similar SR and Inzi did have a similar SR at a superior average; could you check Miandad's SR from when Malik started playing for Pakistan ?
 
MRSN said:
and he wasn't an FTB either.

Average of 66.50 in England with 3 tons,50 in SA and 39 in Australia,51.66 in Sri Lanka.. That's a very very good overseas record to have for a Pakistani batsman. This comparison is just a joke.
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Don't get too excited. This is not your 'S Malik' we are talking about here :malik
 
Strike Rate said:
PCB is proving to be a hypocrite i don't remember exact details but i remember year ago Saleem Malik was organizing a charity match to setup fund or something like that to help old fc players who are not financially strong and are suffering he shared these details on a PTV Sports show when he appeared on screen after years. Saleem got an ok from many current pakistani players that they will participate but in the end PCB denied all of them and i think match was canceled. I guess they don't even want to see Saleem Malik name anymore so forget about coaching or working with PCB.

We as a nation have a very clear policy different rules and laws for big fishes. Steal billions and no need to worry but if you steal thousands or a few lakhs we will put in jail same goes in cricket if you are an icon like Wasim we will find a way to to protect you don't worry and you will have no issues even after retirement while making players like Saleem Malik and Atta ur Rehman the scapegoats.
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This is a nation who's media calls Mohsin Khan for expert analysis.

Who then goes on to call legends like Wasim and Waqar 'tainted' cricketers. For his own agenda.



We have deluded men like Sarfaraz Ahmed who think every game is fixed and continues carrying on doing so.



We may be a Muslim country, but some of the jealousy and hatred we have for each other is visible when another is successful and one isn't.



Its a pity for Salim Malik he has been made a scapegoat in this way. Should be given the respect he deserves.
 
Mamoon said:
I am a big fan of the Waqar and Flower duo, but they won't be around forever. PCB needs Saleem Malik in some sort of position in the future, rather than going back to tried and tested failures and the likes of Inzamam etc. who push their religious propaganda and nothing more.
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I meant I'd like to see Malik get associated with the A and U19 teams sooner, instead of wasting those spots to useless 'managers' who have no knowledge of technical aspects of the game.

Later he can shift to the senior team. We have really a shortage of tactically smart local operators, and Inzi is of course not that smart, nor is Miandad (from his PTV chatters)
 
Asadullah said:
Later he can shift to the senior team. We have really a shortage of tactically smart local operators, and Inzi is of course not that smart, nor is Miandad (from his PTV chatters)
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Miandad was one of the finest tactician in our cricket history no doubt about that and still a very smart cricket brain but his biggest problem is that he is not good at explaining or managing things (no communication or leadership skills) and another issue is his K2 like ego. Every time Mohsin Khan and Miandad start talking they start with "me me" "i did this" "i did that" etc
 
waleed88 said:
This is a nation who's media calls Mohsin Khan for expert analysis.

Who then goes on to call legends like Wasim and Waqar 'tainted' cricketers. For his own agenda.



We have deluded men like Sarfaraz Ahmed who think every game is fixed and continues carrying on doing so.



We may be a Muslim country, but some of the jealousy and hatred we have for each other is visible when another is successful and one isn't.



Its a pity for Salim Malik he has been made a scapegoat in this way. Should be given the respect he deserves.
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That's a sad reality of our nation. And if we don't change nothing is going to change these corrupt leaders and players come from this nation not from outside because this is a part of our society and we promote corruption and corrupt people because we are also corrupt.

Khuda ne aaj tak us qaum ki haalat nae badli na ho jisko khayal khud apni haalat badalne ka
 
Haroon786 said:
I did say similar SR and Inzi did have a similar SR at a superior average; could you check Miandad's SR from when Malik started playing for Pakistan ?
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When Malik and Miandad played together in the same match, Miandad averages 44@67. Miandad wasn't a destructive batsman for his era, but he had the ability to set up chases nicely.
 
I wonder how many here actually watched Saleem Malik.......
 
Major said:
I wonder how many here actually watched Saleem Malik.......
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I did so i will pick him ahead of Misbah in both formats. Played many great innings for Pakistan in both formats including that 237 that he scored against Australia to save a match for Pakistan after a follow on as captain.
 
That score of 237 by Saleem Malik is still the highest by any Pakistani against Australia after more than 2 decades.
 
Btw i really love the logic regarding the avg of 5 in the 80s is equivalent of avg of 20 in todays game
 
Anyways according to stats, he clearly lacked in Odi cricket. His stats are the same as SHoaib Malik. The guy dint had any consisstency and falls in the avgs of 32 after 280+ games with only 48 50s, while on the otehr hand we have Misbah with 42 50s in only 162 games and enjoys an avg of 43, huge avg difference in ODI cricket.

Same stroy in the test areana, better batting avg, and getting more runs in fewer games......


But then again, we have to hate Misbah some way

Shoaib Malik vs Saleem Malik would be a better thread
 
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Major said:
Anyways according to stats, he clearly lacked in Odi cricket. His stats are the same as SHoaib Malik. The guy dint had any consisstency and falls in the avgs of 32 after 280+ games with only 48 50s, while on the otehr hand we have Misbah with 42 50s in only 162 games and enjoys an avg of 43, huge avg difference in ODI cricket.

Same stroy in the test areana, better batting avg, and getting more runs in fewer games......


But then again, we have to hate Misbah some way

Shoaib Malik vs Saleem Malik would be a better thread
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Except that things change in 30 years, maybe? :13:
 
Salim Malik easily better than Misbah in ODIs.

In Tests both are same.
 
Saleem Malik was one of the top batsmen to play for Pakistan.
Misbah was one of the worst ODI batsman to ever play for any non-minnow team.

Misbah could never score an innings half as good as this one......
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64302.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoa3CWY0txM

Misbah could not score an ODI 100 to save his own life.
Malik scored 5 ODI 100s.


Malik had 13 MoM awards in 283 matches he played. MoM award every 21 ODIs when Malik played with the greatest stars of ODI cricket (Imran, Wasim, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Waqar & many others).
Misbah had 6 MoM award in 162 matches he played. MoM award every 27 ODIs...when some kids here think Misbah was 2nd coming of Viv Richards.

Malik batted in the shadow of some great batsmen...moved around in batting line up a lot.
Misbah overshadowed other batsmen with his slower than snail batting.... and as captain he kept batsmen like Azahr Ali and Fawad Alam out before recommending Azahr Ali as captain... who not good enough to be in the team while Misbah was captain. If type of unfair selection hurts the team more than the spot/matching. It is "selection fixing"....it damages the team more than spot fixing!

Malik's S/R at different positions in 1980/90s was as good as Misbah of 2010s. (see below)
Misbah's S/R at different positions is 2010s were worse than Malik's S/Rs of 80s/90s. (see below)


Misbah's S/R was 4 points LOWER than the other batsmen (#1-8) in the match he played in. (see below)
Malik's S/R was 6 points HIGHER than the other batsmen (#1-8) in the matches he played in. (see below)

Misbah scored 0 hunderd out of 80 100s scored in ODIs only 162 he played. (See below)
Slaeem Malik scored 5 out of 89 100s scored in 283 ODIs he played. (see below)

In Malik's matches: 89 100s in 283 ODIs. Hard to score ODI 100s.. and Malik still scores 5.
In Misbah's matches: 80 100s in 162 ODIs. Easier to score ODI 100s... and Misbah still score 0.

O... and if somebody if dying to mention the batting averages.....
Malik usually got last 5-6 overs to bat in 40/45 over matches....where he had to score quickly but Misbah usually had 40-45 overs to bat in 50 overs match and had luxury of batting in test match (read: tuk tuk) style to score useless 50s which rarely helped Pakistan ..other than reducing the margin of defeat.


Mentioning Misbah and Saleem Malik in the same sentence from ODI batting stand point is a huge insult to Malik and ODI batting!

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waleed88 said:
Didn't Malik play the 1999 world cup?

Not that long ago if you ask me.
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Well, his career span is from 82-99. It's a laughable claim that we can simply compare the stats at face value, because during Saleem Malik's career only about 15 batsmen had a SR exceeding 80.

Misbah was a very good player for us to have due to the condition of our team and the complete incompetence that was often exhibited by our batsmen during his tenure but he was a limited batsman suited to the particular situation in ODIs.

Saleem Malik also has quite a good record in conditions where Pakistani batsmen have traditionally struggled, though Misbah has not played much (e.g. in England) so unfair to compare.

Since I haven't watched both in action, it's only fair to see what the old-timers have to say about this comparison. Can't just look at stats and say 48>43 therefore Misbah is better, that is my main point.
 
W63L35 said:
Saleem Malik was one of the top batsmen to play for Pakistan.
Misbah was one of the worst ODI batsman to ever play for any non-minnow team.

Misbah could never score an innings half as good as this one......
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64302.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoa3CWY0txM

Misbah could not score an ODI 100 to save his own life.
Malik scored 5 ODI 100s.


Malik had 13 MoM awards in 283 matches he played. MoM award every 21 ODIs when Malik played with the greatest stars of ODI cricket (Imran, Wasim, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Waqar & many others).
Misbah had 6 MoM award in 162 matches he played. MoM award every 27 ODIs...when some kids here think Misbah was 2nd coming of Viv Richards.

Malik batted in the shadow of some great batsmen...moved around in batting line up a lot.
Misbah overshadowed other batsmen with his slower than snail batting.... and as captain he kept batsmen like Azahr Ali and Fawad Alam out before recommending Azahr Ali as captain... who not good enough to be in the team while Misbah was captain. If type of unfair selection hurts the team more than the spot/matching. It is "selection fixing"....it damages the team more than spot fixing!

Malik's S/R at different positions in 1980/90s was as good as Misbah of 2010s. (see below)
Misbah's S/R at different positions is 2010s were worse than Malik's S/Rs of 80s/90s. (see below)


Misbah's S/R was 4 points LOWER than the other batsmen (#1-8) in the match he played in. (see below)
Malik's S/R was 6 points HIGHER than the other batsmen (#1-8) in the matches he played in. (see below)

Misbah scored 0 hunderd out of 80 100s scored in ODIs only 162 he played. (See below)
Slaeem Malik scored 5 out of 89 100s scored in 283 ODIs he played. (see below)

In Malik's matches: 89 100s in 283 ODIs. Hard to score ODI 100s.. and Malik still scores 5.
In Misbah's matches: 80 100s in 162 ODIs. Easier to score ODI 100s... and Misbah still score 0.

O... and if somebody if dying to mention the batting averages.....
Malik usually got last 5-6 overs to bat in 40/45 over matches....where he had to score quickly but Misbah usually had 40-45 overs to bat in 50 overs match and had luxury of batting in test match (read: tuk tuk) style to score useless 50s which rarely helped Pakistan ..other than reducing the margin of defeat.


Mentioning Misbah and Saleem Malik in the same sentence from ODI batting stand point is a huge insult to Malik and ODI batting!

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excellent post
 
Abdullah719 said:
Well, his career span is from 82-99. It's a laughable claim that we can simply compare the stats at face value, because during Saleem Malik's career only about 15 batsmen had a SR exceeding 80.

Misbah was a very good player for us to have due to the condition of our team and the complete incompetence that was often exhibited by our batsmen during his tenure but he was a limited batsman suited to the particular situation in ODIs.

Saleem Malik also has quite a good record in conditions where Pakistani batsmen have traditionally struggled, though Misbah has not played much (e.g. in England) so unfair to compare.

Since I haven't watched both in action, it's only fair to see what the old-timers have to say about this comparison. Can't just look at stats and say 48>43 therefore Misbah is better, that is my main point.
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Malik for most of the 90s he was pretty pedestrian. Its a tale of two decades if you ask me.

He was a walking wicket of whenever I saw him, mostly failed in the big matches.

Thats a long career span of almost 20 years. Comparing it to a player who only played 10 years of International cricket is stupidity first of all. Its like comparing Misbah to Inzamam. A guy who has played half the cricket Malik has.

By that logic Misbah should have won 40 Test matches had he been given captaincy 6 years earlier.

Malik might be a legend of the 80s, but he was in the team in 90s due to 'other' reasons.
 
Strike Rate said:
excellent post
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Thanks...

My comparison above was solely based on ODI batting.

As far as test matches are concerned, Misbah is top test batsman but I would again pick Malik because....

Misbah has played 46 of his 61 tests on Phatta wickets of Asia. Out of 15 he played outside Asia, he played two in West Indies and 3 in Zimbabwe ... both very weak attacks. So ... Misbah has played only 10 tests in Aus/NZ/SAF/ENG.

Malik played many tests in testing conditions e.g. England and proved he could score there. He averages 60+ in 13 tests in England.... with 3 hundreds....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...st=1;template=results;type=batting;view=match


This was Malik's top performances....against the moving ball... specially when a lot of batmen folded easily on that wicket...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63578.html
 
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W63L35 said:
Thanks...

My comparison was solely based on ODI batting.

As far as test matches are concerned, Misbah is top test batsman but I would again pick Malik because....

Misbah has played 46 of his 61 tests on Phatta wickets of Asia. Out of 15 he played outside Asia, he played two in West Indies and 3 in Zimbabwe ... both very weak attacks. So ... Misbah has played only 10 tests in Aus/NZ/SAF/ENG.

Malik played many tests in testing conditions e.g. England and proved he could score there. He averages 60+ in 13 tests in England.... with 3 hundreds....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...st=1;template=results;type=batting;view=match


This was Malik's top performances....against the moving ball... specially when a lot of batmen folded easily on that wicket...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63578.html
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I have seen Malik batting for many years and he is easily better than Misbah in both formats but bhai jaan i am going to stay away from Misbah thread now main aage he wazaahten deta phr raha hun to Misbah fans on PP (check the other misbah thread)
 
Major said:
Anyways according to stats, he clearly lacked in Odi cricket. His stats are the same as SHoaib Malik. The guy dint had any consisstency and falls in the avgs of 32 after 280+ games with only 48 50s, while on the otehr hand we have Misbah with 42 50s in only 162 games and enjoys an avg of 43, huge avg difference in ODI cricket.

Same stroy in the test areana, better batting avg, and getting more runs in fewer games......


But then again, we have to hate Misbah some way

Shoaib Malik vs Saleem Malik would be a better thread
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Shocking analysis. There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin . . .
 
waleed88 said:
Malik for most of the 90s he was pretty pedestrian. Its a tale of two decades if you ask me.

He was a walking wicket of whenever I saw him, mostly failed in the big matches.

Thats a long career span of almost 20 years. Comparing it to a player who only played 10 years of International cricket is stupidity first of all. Its like comparing Misbah to Inzamam. A guy who has played half the cricket Malik has.

By that logic Misbah should have won 40 Test matches had he been given captaincy 6 years earlier.

Malik might be a legend of the 80s, but he was in the team in 90s due to 'other' reasons.
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His ODI record in the 80s is better than in the 90s, but it's the opposite for Tests. Interesting.
 
W63L35 said:
Thanks...

My comparison above was solely based on ODI batting.

As far as test matches are concerned, Misbah is top test batsman but I would again pick Malik because....

Misbah has played 46 of his 61 tests on Phatta wickets of Asia. Out of 15 he played outside Asia, he played two in West Indies and 3 in Zimbabwe ... both very weak attacks. So ... Misbah has played only 10 tests in Aus/NZ/SAF/ENG.

Malik played many tests in testing conditions e.g. England and proved he could score there. He averages 60+ in 13 tests in England.... with 3 hundreds....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...st=1;template=results;type=batting;view=match


This was Malik's top performances....against the moving ball... specially when a lot of batmen folded easily on that wicket...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63578.html
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Interesting stats for Malik in the World Cups.

Where was he 92, 96, 99 World cups.


Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered 283 7170 102 32.88 5 47 89 5/35 33.24 1 81 0
filtered 20 268 55* 22.33 0 2 3 2/41 41.66 0 5 0
 
In 1996 World cup he had an average of 66.5.

But if you look at the runs scored. They were 133 in 6 innings. With a higest score of 55*.

Clearly playing for his average. All the not outs raising his average. No wonder we lost that quarter final to India.

This honestly reminds me of another S. Malik playing in our side currently.
 
waleed88 said:
In 1996 World cup he had an average of 66.5.

But if you look at the runs scored. They were 133 in 6 innings. With a higest score of 55*.

Clearly playing for his average. All the not outs raising his average. No wonder we lost that quarter final to India.

This honestly reminds me of another S. Malik playing in our side currently.
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Actually he only batted in 3 innings out of those 6 matches... and not sure why you're omitting the '87 World Cup. Does it not count? :13:

Regarding lost knock-out matches against India, I wouldn't go there if I were you. :misbah2
 
Abdullah719 said:
Actually he only batted in 3 innings out of those 6 matches... and not sure why you're omitting the '87 World Cup. Does it not count? :13:

Regarding lost knock-out matches against India, I wouldn't go there if I were you. :misbah2
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Haha but the funny part is you have @W65L35 defending Malik for his selfishness.

Then you see him disaparage Misbah for his selfishness?

Whats the deal with that?

Either you consistently say Yea both were selfish players, or both weren't.

My pointing out only the 90s is consistent with my assumption that Malik became a really bad player in the 90s. Didn't deserve to be in the 90s side.
 
waleed88 said:
Haha but the funny part is you have @W65L35 defending Malik for his selfishness.

Then you see him disaparage Misbah for his selfishness?

Whats the deal with that?

Either you consistently say Yea both were selfish players, or both weren't.

My pointing out only the 90s is consistent with my assumption that Malik became a really bad player in the 90s. Didn't deserve to be in the 90s side.
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He was just not as good as he was in the 80s, but a pretty decent record in the 90s anyway.

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Only Saeed Anwar stands out here. Inzi and Ijaz slightly ahead of the rest.
 
waleed88 said:
Interesting stats for Malik in the World Cups.

Where was he 92, 96, 99 World cups.


Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered 283 7170 102 32.88 5 47 89 5/35 33.24 1 81 0
filtered 20 268 55* 22.33 0 2 3 2/41 41.66 0 5 0
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A lot of great batsmen has miserably failed in WCs..... look at Mike Hussey (arguably one of the best ODI batsman of modern day era) and Border's record in WCs below... along with a few other big names.

But we all know what Misbah did in Mohali!

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Haha but the funny part is you have @W65L35 defending Malik for his selfishness.
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Can you point out Malik's selfishness .... and where I defended it?
If you can't point both out then please stop lying!
 
W63L35 said:
A lot of great batsmen has miserably failed in WCs..... look at Mike Hussey (arguably one of the best ODI batsman of modern day era) and Border's record in WCs below... along with a few other big names.

But we all know what Misbah did in Mohali!

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What about Malik in 1996? What did he do? He was chasing 287 as compared to Misbah chasing 260?
 
Abdullah719 said:
He was just not as good as he was in the 80s, but a pretty decent record in the 90s anyway.

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Only Saeed Anwar stands out here. Inzi and Ijaz slightly ahead of the rest.
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I fail to see this as slightly. One of your experienced campaigners and according to you a 'top' 'top' 'top' batsman. Who was a legend in the 80s according to you. Almost negligible performances. Oh and check out the strike rate of 71 that you so like to bash about.
 
Mamoon said:
Those who are saying Misbah in ODIs or any format have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

I'd take him over Younis as a batsman, let alone the comparison with Misbah.

He has a better SR than him while playing his cricket in the 80's and 90's; his average of 33 @76 is pretty much equivalent to ~40 @90 in modern day context.

Unfortunately, the match-fixing scandal has wiped out the memories and understanding of people; if the likes of Asif and Amir can be remembered for their skills and even Wasim (greatest match-fixer of them all) be remembered as a legend, why shouldn't Saleem be remembered as the inventive and crafty batsman that he was?

Apart from match-fixing scandal taking precedence, he was also overshadowed by Miandad, Inzamam and Saeed Anwar who stole the headlines, but were carried by him on many occasions.

Tremendous cricketing brain, a genius cricketer in my view and a cricketer whose legacy has been conveniently forgotten.
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Were you even born when Saleem Malik played? He brought great shame to the nation
 
Saleem Malik was a beautiful player, very elegant, as a batsman, no comparison at all, he destroyed spinners for fun, and back in the day, you were excited to see him play, but as a cricketer and person, no comparison with Misbah at all, brought great humiliation to our nation

Still remember his sweeps and drives, beautiful, but what he did is unforgivable, Aamir spot fixed, so doesn't even compare
 
AmmadYousuf said:
Saleem Malik was a beautiful player, very elegant, as a batsman, no comparison at all, he destroyed spinners for fun, and back in the day, you were excited to see him play, but as a cricketer and person, no comparison with Misbah at all, brought great humiliation to our nation

Still remember his sweeps and drives, beautiful, but what he did is unforgivable, Aamir spot fixed, so doesn't even compare
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The op is about who is the better player not who the better person. And like you said Malik was the better player I started watching cricket in the 90s so never saw Malik at his best even then in a few innings here and there he was just amazing. Was a better batsman than Misbah no doubt about.

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