Misbah-ul-haq's treatment of youngsters

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I am a bit saddened by derailment of Haider Ali's progress.

I don't the spark of the batsmen I saw in a mature innings he played in QEA and U-19 WC high stakes clash vs India.

Same thing happened with Umar Akmal and Shehzad over time. The common link, Misbah around them.

What does Misbah do that these youngsters lose confidence ? And What can he do better ?

 

[Ahmed216]

He can resign

 

[KyoOne]

U Akmal and A Shehzad are poor examples, especially speaking for LOI.. He's hated far superior young players for some odd preferences.

Misbah as captain would hate trying new talent (Sadaf Hussain, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam, Usman Salauddin, Sohail Khan, M Asghar, etc) or would drop others despite promising performances (Fawad Alam, Zafar Gohar, Hammad Azam, Junaid Khan, Sharjeel Khan, etc.).

He has only continued his legacy as a coach

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You can keep making Misbah or someone else the scapegoat...or you can just choose to look at the reality that these guys were never any good, didn't work hard enough and didn't take responsibility for their failures.

 

[Salman4.]

You can keep making Misbah or someone else the scapegoat...or you can just choose to look at the reality that these guys were never any good, didn't work hard enough and didn't take responsibility for their failures.

This.
Misbah supported Haider for so long, he's bashed.
If he didn't support him he would've been bashed for not having an eye for talent.

 

[Mamoon]

It is a myth that Misbah doesn’t give young players chances. The problem is that our young players have no talent and no ability.

In summer of 2020, Misbah picked Naseem ahead of Sohail or Imran in the England series.

Had Misbah picked Sohail or Imran and benched Naseem, he would have been blasted for discouraging youngsters and favoring old players, even though the reality is that they would have actually performed better than Naseem who was dreadful.

Haider Ali has been given plenty of chances. He has no one but himself to blame.

 

[Ahmed216]

It is a myth that Misbah doesn’t give young players chances. The problem is that our young players have no talent and no ability.

In summer of 2020, Misbah picked Naseem ahead of Sohail or Imran in the England series.

Had Misbah picked Sohail or Imran and benched Naseem, he would have been blasted for discouraging youngsters and favoring old players, even though the reality is that they would have actually performed better than Naseem who was dreadful.

Haider Ali has been given plenty of chances. He has no one but himself to blame.

I saw an interview of misbah after England tour where he said shadab is a brilliant all round cricketer. Batting bowling and fielding in all three facets he is outstanding.
What is your take on that?

 

[Mamoon]

I saw an interview of misbah after England tour where he said shadab is a brilliant all round cricketer. Batting bowling and fielding in all three facets he is outstanding.
What is your take on that?

My take on that is that I fail to see what people see in Shadab.

 

[Ahmed216]

My take on that is that I fail to see what people see in Shadab.

My take is that misbah cannot identify talent at all. Plus he can't develop players

 

[Sher Khan]

My take on that is that I fail to see what people see in Shadab.

Shadab is mediocre. Their is no place for him in the Pakistan Xi. He unbalances our limited overs side, as he is an unreliable spinner who gets carted around on most days. Usman Qadir seems like Shane Warne compared to him, and Qadir's batting and fielding are almost on par with Shadab as well. In my view, Qadir deserves the chances ahead of Shadab building up to the T20 WC.

 

[shamaan]

Shadab is mediocre. Their is no place for him in the Pakistan Xi. He unbalances our limited overs side, as he is an unreliable spinner who gets carted around on most days. Usman Qadir seems like Shane Warne compared to him, and Qadir's batting and fielding are almost on par with Shadab as well. In my view, Qadir deserves the chances ahead of Shadab building up to the T20 WC.

Qadir fielding and batting is on par with shadab.

 

[Savak]

Can't Blame Misbah too much as coach, i think he has given plenty of young players an opportunity as a coach which was in stark contrast to his captaincy. The players haven't put their hand up and made the most of these opportunities.

 

[UzmanBeast]

It is a myth that Misbah doesn’t give young players chances. The problem is that our young players have no talent and no ability.

In summer of 2020, Misbah picked Naseem ahead of Sohail or Imran in the England series.

Had Misbah picked Sohail or Imran and benched Naseem, he would have been blasted for discouraging youngsters and favoring old players, even though the reality is that they would have actually performed better than Naseem who was dreadful.

Haider Ali has been given plenty of chances. He has no one but himself to blame.

At the age of 20, Haider Ali has played 17 international games. Nobody from any reliable FC system (ie. England, Australia, India) would have believed it if this happened to them.

At his age, he has had enough opportunities to show how mediocre he is, and it's good that he isn't on any future tours.

I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but I'm sure that Pakistan has made the most changes across all formats since 2019 by a long margin. I'm certain.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

You can keep making Misbah or someone else the scapegoat...or you can just choose to look at the reality that these guys were never any good, didn't work hard enough and didn't take responsibility for their failures.

You hit the nail on the head. Misbah at the end of the day is a background voice, nothing will happen to you if you don't follow his advise.

The fact is and like you said youngsters are not making the most of their opportunities. In the case of Haider though it's lack of experience and to give him justice we must ask him to play more domestic before he returns to the intl fold.

 

[iniqbal223]

I think there are some good suggestions which PCB can not see and try to understand

Misbah does not belong to coaching role ; neither he is a risk taker nor he is strategically shrewed
His calmness and his unique characteristics to keep controversies at bay , can be best utilized if he is appointed as director, where he handles everything (media, domestic infrastructure, player development, anti corruption, etc.)

Head coach should be foreign coach who can bring new perspective/knowledge of playing matches


Misbah : Director of national team/U19/ Pakistan A cricket operations
Andy Flower/ MA : Head Coach
Azhar Mahmood/someone new : Bowling Coach

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You hit the nail on the head. Misbah at the end of the day is a background voice, nothing will happen to you if you don't follow his advise.

The fact is and like you said youngsters are not making the most of their opportunities. In the case of Haider though it's lack of experience and to give him justice we must ask him to play more domestic before he returns to the intl fold.

Certain people here place an inordinate amount of emphasis on the role of the coach. It is massively overstated. In a team like India the coach isn't even a background voice...he's just there. And India are one of the best teams in the world. Let's also not forget that coaches are a relatively new phenomenon in cricket to begin with. It wasn't until the late 90's that teams started having coaches. And the role of a coach in cricket is nothing like the role of a manager in football; where he has a consistent role throughout the game, or other sports for that matter like basketball, American football etc. where the coach is running consistently running plays.

The jury is out on Haider Ali. I'm not willing to give up on him just yet. But he seems to be plagued by much of the same issues as other emerging Pakistani batsmen; many of whom have oftentimes played a fair bit of domestic cricket.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Certain people here place an inordinate amount of emphasis on the role of the coach. It is massively overstated. In a team like India the coach isn't even a background voice...he's just there. And India are one of the best teams in the world. Let's also not forget that coaches are a relatively new phenomenon in cricket to begin with. It wasn't until the late 90's that teams started having coaches. And the role of a coach in cricket is nothing like the role of a manager in football; where he has a consistent role throughout the game, or other sports for that matter like basketball, American football etc. where the coach is running consistently running plays.

The jury is out on Haider Ali. I'm not willing to give up on him just yet. But he seems to be plagued by much of the same issues as other emerging Pakistani batsmen; many of whom have oftentimes played a fair bit of domestic cricket.

Haider's honeymoon period of form looks to have plateaued, he's a talented kid but honestly he needs to play domestic. Not saying kick him out, he just needs a bit more work. I'm willing to give someone of Moqsood's experience a chance, he's proved that he doesn't crack under pressure. Forget his PSL performances for a minute, his National t20 performance in the semi-final against Balochistan was pure brilliance.

You can't say Haider hasn't had chances and he's also blown it at times when the match situation requries you to just tick it around with singles. I mean that performance in which we lost to Zimbabwe in the t20 was horrific, i was excited to see him in action and take the game home but he blew it.

At the very least M. Yousaf needs to spend some time with him at NHPC.

 

[Savak]

Certain people here place an inordinate amount of emphasis on the role of the coach. It is massively overstated. In a team like India the coach isn't even a background voice...he's just there. And India are one of the best teams in the world. Let's also not forget that coaches are a relatively new phenomenon in cricket to begin with. It wasn't until the late 90's that teams started having coaches. And the role of a coach in cricket is nothing like the role of a manager in football; where he has a consistent role throughout the game, or other sports for that matter like basketball, American football etc. where the coach is running consistently running plays.

The jury is out on Haider Ali. I'm not willing to give up on him just yet. But he seems to be plagued by much of the same issues as other emerging Pakistani batsmen; many of whom have oftentimes played a fair bit of domestic cricket.

Indian Cricket has benefited from the big investments their Financial Muscle has allowed them to make in their domestic cricket, academies. Lets not forget the positive spill over effect of frequently being exposed to the best players and coaches year after year in the IPL, the knowledge and learnings the local indian players and officials carry from it gets transferred to their domestic cricket.

The PCB only recently has in steps started moving towards this direction but it will take time before the results start to show.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Indian Cricket has benefited from the big investments their Financial Muscle has allowed them to make in their domestic cricket, academies. Lets not forget the positive spill over effect of frequently being exposed to the best players and coaches year after year in the IPL, the knowledge and learnings the local indian players and officials carry from it gets transferred to their domestic cricket.

The PCB only recently has in steps started moving towards this direction but it will take time before the results start to show.

Thanks for that primer on Indian cricket but I already know that. My point is not that coaches don't matter. They matter a great deal when a player is emerging in any sport. But the idea that coaches somehow have this massive, towering role to play in international cricket is preposterous and has little basis in reality.

 

[Forum363]

Didn’t he drop Babar in the first PSL too?

Him randomly picking undercooked raw teenagers does not mean he’s good at promoting youngsters, quite the opposite.

 

[in_cutter]

I am a bit saddened by derailment of Haider Ali's progress.

I don't the spark of the batsmen I saw in a mature innings he played in QEA and U-19 WC high stakes clash vs India.

Same thing happened with Umar Akmal and Shehzad over time. The common link, Misbah around them.

What does Misbah do that these youngsters lose confidence ? And What can he do better ?

Yea man lets blame Misbah for these hack jobs. Pathetic. Why not just accept they’re all hype?

 

[MesonK]

What I am seeing for past 6-8 months in Pakistani cricket is a change of policy of focusing on players with proper domestic stats and credentials to their names. Gone are the days of selecting random 145-150kph hitting pacers or hard hitting sloggers.

We saw Nauman, Fawad, Hasan 2.0, that bald offspinner (forgot his name), Tabish, Sohaib Maqsood, Zahid Mehmood, Usman Qadir being included in the side along with Rizwans rise as a world class player ... few failed to impress but at least the criteria is there and majority performed. Pakistan has not lost a single series in past 6-7 months and has defeated SA twice in a row. They might cause repeat of Misbah-Pak success in England if opening problems are solved.

Curse Misbah as much as you want but he is a stable minded man who gave pakistan brilliant test stats as a captain as now might repeat that as a coach too. He just needs to get rid of few talent less players in the squad like Shadab, Imad etc

 

[Savak]

What I am seeing for past 6-8 months in Pakistani cricket is a change of policy of focusing on players with proper domestic stats and credentials to their names. Gone are the days of selecting random 145-150kph hitting pacers or hard hitting sloggers.

We saw Nauman, Fawad, Hasan 2.0, that bald offspinner (forgot his name), Tabish, Sohaib Maqsood, Zahid Mehmood, Usman Qadir being included in the side along with Rizwans rise as a world class player ... few failed to impress but at least the criteria is there and majority performed. Pakistan has not lost a single series in past 6-7 months and has defeated SA twice in a row. They might cause repeat of Misbah-Pak success in England if opening problems are solved.

Curse Misbah as much as you want but he is a stable minded man who gave pakistan brilliant test stats as a captain as now might repeat that as a coach too. He just needs to get rid of few talent less players in the squad like Shadab, Imad etc

The Selectors are following a balanced policy where apparent ex factor players like Nasim Shah, Haider Ali and now Shahnawaz Dhani and co have been fast tracked into the team without proper domestic experience but they are giving a chance to these players to make a name for themselves quick, it is up to the players in question to deliver.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Wow didn't expect this thread , he is giving plenty of chances to younger mediocre players who can't perform and were hailed as next wasim and Bradman ,

What's next ,Pak economy is getting destroyed by Misbah too? Or global warming because of Misbah too?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Yea man lets blame Misbah for these hack jobs. Pathetic. Why not just accept they’re all hype?

Well I am not Pakistani.. So No I am not hyping anyone. I genuinely felt Haider Ali on first look had the temperament along with skill. I like his batting style. But, Not sure what is it with the batting culture in Pakistan these days. All, except Babar and Rizwan just look lost after initial success.

 

[ritzy_123]

Well I am not Pakistani.. So No I am not hyping anyone. I genuinely felt Haider Ali on first look had the temperament along with skill. I like his batting style. But, Not sure what is it with the batting culture in Pakistan these days. All, except Babar and Rizwan just look lost after initial success.

Misbah is not the right man for the job..!! I'm not sure people will like it or not. We definitely need a coach someone like Andy Flower and let him select His supporting staff and then see the results.. Win or Lose is a different thing but I'm sure we'll see how modern cricket is played...

 

[dildilpak]

I have seen so many youngsters in Pakistan start well after few good domestic performances, are hyped up to moon & made out to be the next best thing out there till they are found out & fade into oblivion. Nothing new here. Its not the role of a national team coach to teach a player how to play at that level, its the domestic coaches & maybe to an extent the batting coach who should be involved in identifying & correcting issues in players. A national team is not the place for on-job training!

 

[Golden arm]

Misbah is not the right man for the job..!! I'm not sure people will like it or not. We definitely need a coach someone like Andy Flower and let him select His supporting staff and then see the results.. Win or Lose is a different thing but I'm sure we'll see how modern cricket is played...

Misbah with his education, calm head and attitude could be very good successor to Wasim Khan or Director Academies.

I think he has chosen the wrong path or he has been forced on wrong path by his supporters within PM House

Its double trouble dangerous for his own career and also worse for youngsters and team.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Haider Ali has no1 to blame but himself...

he wants to be a slogger when he is amazingly talented batsman.

his shot selection is worse than U-Akmal , and that in itself is a great achievement (to sink that low)

He needs a proper coach, not a joker like Younus Khan but some1 like an andy flower or even a M.Yousuf to work with him ....

Misbah gave chances to many a new guys ... His best work was to get rid of sarfraz for Rizwan and how much can we thank him for that.....

 

[topspin]

I am a bit saddened by derailment of Haider Ali's progress.

I don't the spark of the batsmen I saw in a mature innings he played in QEA and U-19 WC high stakes clash vs India.

Same thing happened with Umar Akmal and Shehzad over time. The common link, Misbah around them.

What does Misbah do that these youngsters lose confidence ? And What can he do better ?

Refreshing to see a non-Pakistani, especially an Indian cricket fan see this. The reason I say that is because most Indians have a favourable view of Misbah. I don't blame them because he was their 12th man during the 2007 WT20 final and 2011 WC semi-final.

Misbah has no place in Pakistan cricket.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Refreshing to see a non-Pakistani, especially an Indian cricket fan see this. The reason I say that is because most Indians have a favourable view of Misbah. I don't blame them because he was their 12th man during the 2007 WT20 final and 2011 WC semi-final.

Misbah has no place in Pakistan cricket.

It may be refreshing, however it’s not fair to fully blame Misbah. You have to take personal responsibility for your performances and it’s evident that Haider isn’t experienced enough at this stage of his career.

 

[topspin]

It may be refreshing, however it’s not fair to fully blame Misbah. You have to take personal responsibility for your performances and it’s evident that Haider isn’t experienced enough at this stage of his career.

The discussion doesn't just relate to Haider Ali. We are talking about Misbah's treatment of youngsters in general. His reputation with them is well documented.

Some of us forget how dismissive Misbah was of Shaheen during the 2019 WC even though he was our best bowler and also one of the best pacers in the tournament itself.

There are many more examples but there is no coincidence that the careers of some of our youngsters have failed under his presence.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The discussion doesn't just relate to Haider Ali. We are talking about Misbah's treatment of youngsters in general. His reputation with them is well documented.

Some of us forget how dismissive Misbah was of Shaheen during the 2019 WC even though he was our best bowler and also one of the best pacers in the tournament itself.

There are many more examples but there is no coincidence that the careers of some of our youngsters have failed under his presence.

Yes. I saw that interview on cricinfo and he was so critical of Shaheen and wanted to drop him for Bangladesh game. Shaheen took a fiver.
I just cannot name a single player Misbah has developed, as a captain or a coach.

 

[Kroll]

Misbah to youngsters is what Christmas is like for turkeys.

 

[daytrader]

The discussion doesn't just relate to Haider Ali. We are talking about Misbah's treatment of youngsters in general. His reputation with them is well documented.

Some of us forget how dismissive Misbah was of Shaheen during the 2019 WC even though he was our best bowler and also one of the best pacers in the tournament itself.

There are many more examples but there is no coincidence that the careers of some of our youngsters have failed under his presence.

Always putting a spin on things topspin. Misbah wasn't even part of PCT setup for the 2019 WC! You're really scrapping at the bottom of the barrel to take another dig at Misbah

 

[Savak]

Misbah to his credit has surprisingly been more open hearted towards Youngsters as a coach vs when he was captain. He even dropped the blue eyed boy Asad Shafiq. If only he was this way as a captain.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Always putting a spin on things topspin. Misbah wasn't even part of PCT setup for the 2019 WC! You're really scrapping at the bottom of the barrel to take another dig at Misbah

He didn’t say Misbah was a part of the PCT setup.

Misbah during or before the WC said in an interview that he didn’t know how Shaheen and Hasnain were selected for the WC. He then later took back his statement mid way through the tournament.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He didn’t say Misbah was a part of the PCT setup.

Misbah during or before the WC said in an interview that he didn’t know how Shaheen and Hasnain were selected for the WC. He then later took back his statement mid way through the tournament.

He was a cricket pundit on cricinfo or ptv i think. He didn't rate Shaheen back then. He was rooting for Hasan Ali from the start. But after our final wc cup game, he said he was wrong about Shaheen the whole time and he proved him wrong. A person man enough to admit to his mistake is still better than someone who doesn't ever admit to it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Misbah to his credit has surprisingly been more open hearted towards Youngsters as a coach vs when he was captain. He even dropped the blue eyed boy Asad Shafiq. If only he was this way as a captain.

He didn't ask for much power during his captaincy days and left it on the head coach to assemble the eleven. It's a well known fact.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

The discussion doesn't just relate to Haider Ali. We are talking about Misbah's treatment of youngsters in general. His reputation with them is well documented.

Some of us forget how dismissive Misbah was of Shaheen during the 2019 WC even though he was our best bowler and also one of the best pacers in the tournament itself.

There are many more examples but there is no coincidence that the careers of some of our youngsters have failed under his presence.

You might be right in that sense but at least youngsters are getting a chance, youngsters need to be grabbing opportunities by both hands.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

He was a cricket pundit on cricinfo or ptv i think. He didn't rate Shaheen back then. He was rooting for Hasan Ali from the start. But after our final wc cup game, he said he was wrong about Shaheen the whole time and he proved him wrong. A person man enough to admit to his mistake is still better than someone who doesn't ever admit to it.

Yeah, fair play to Misbah for admitting to his mistake, but let’s just say if Misbah was the coach during that WC, Shaheen wouldn’t have been there and if he was he wouldn’t have been in the playing xi.

So the question is, what if Misbah makes those mistakes again, what if he has made that mistake again, imagine another upcoming Shaheen trying to get into the team, is Misbah the right man to manage a player like him?

 

[daytrader]

He didn’t say Misbah was a part of the PCT setup.

Misbah during or before the WC said in an interview that he didn’t know how Shaheen and Hasnain were selected for the WC. He then later took back his statement mid way through the tournament.

Poster clearly implied that Misbah is treating youngsters unfairly including being dismissive of Shaheen. Misbah wasn't even in power and as a cricket commentator then, he had every right to criticize Shaheen especially after his non performance against Aus. Ofcourse as the tournament progressed and Shaheen started performing, Misbah praised him especially after the Ban game.

 

[daytrader]

Yeah, fair play to Misbah for admitting to his mistake, but let’s just say if Misbah was the coach during that WC, Shaheen wouldn’t have been there and if he was he wouldn’t have been in the playing xi.

So the question is, what if Misbah makes those mistakes again, what if he has made that mistake again, imagine another upcoming Shaheen trying to get into the team, is Misbah the right man to manage a player like him?

Maybe if Misbah was there we wouldn't have folded to WI and could've made the semis. What ifs work both ways

 

[daytrader]

Didn’t he drop Babar in the first PSL too?

Him randomly picking undercooked raw teenagers does not mean he’s good at promoting youngsters, quite the opposite.

Yes he dropped Babar and still won the PSL

 

[Forum363]

Yes he dropped Babar and still won the PSL

In spite of him, not because of him. And then lost a MVP for IU forever.

Not to mention how much trash he talked about Shaheen during the World Cup. Among our best players and that’s how he treated them. Shaheen and Babar are lucky Mickey was around.

 

[topspin]

He didn’t say Misbah was a part of the PCT setup.

Misbah during or before the WC said in an interview that he didn’t know how Shaheen and Hasnain were selected for the WC. He then later took back his statement mid way through the tournament.

I'm glad you understand why I brought up Misbah's views on Shaheen.

 

[topspin]

Always putting a spin on things topspin. Misbah wasn't even part of PCT setup for the 2019 WC! You're really scrapping at the bottom of the barrel to take another dig at Misbah

Never claimed nor implied that he was part of the set-up at the time of the 2019 WC so please brush up on your comprehension skills before jumping in defence of the guy you simply blind follow.

The reason why I made reference to his views in relation to Shaheen was to give a prominent example of Misbah's poor cricketing IQ but also how he seems to lose faith in youngsters after one bad game.

As a die hard follower this will be a difficult pill for you to swallow but the reality is that later on in the tournament, his views on Shaheen had backfired spectacularly and was left with egg on his face, so much so he had to admit that he was wrong.

If you're gonna stay in super defensive mode, this isn't the place to jump in as this is a no win scenario for Misbah's cheerleaders, so I would strongly advise making a swift exit from this thread.

 

[topspin]

In spite of him, not because of him. And then lost a MVP for IU forever.

Not to mention how much trash he talked about Shaheen during the World Cup. Among our best players and that’s how he treated them. Shaheen and Babar are lucky Mickey was around.

Hit the nail on the head my friend.

There is absolutely no doubt that their development would have hampered if Misbah was around during their infancy.

Babar would have been batting much lower down the order and he would given up on Shaheen after one or two bad games.

 

[topspin]

Just prior to the last Australia tour, Misbah's fans were raving about the inclusions of Naseem Shah and Musa Khan. These guys were so raw they should never have been anywhere near the Pakistan A side let alone the first XI for the national side.

Chucking in very raw blood into the side may have made Misbah come across as a champion for the development of youngsters but truth be told he had done nothing but make things worse for their careers.

Babar could have easily been a lost cause because of how Misbah handled him in two critical stages of his development.

The first of these was during the 2016/17 tour of Australia when Misbah was captaining the team. He made Babar, who was very raw at the time, bat at 3 on his first tour of Australia against Starc and Hazlewood.

The second example was when Babar was left out by Misbah during his ISLU days at the PSL.

It makes you wonder how much impact this had on Babar's confidence and mental strength. Imagine being the best batsman being in the country but an incompetent ex player with poor cricketing IQ is the reason why you are left out from a mediocre domestic T20 side.

Mickey had his faults and was far from perfect but we should be thankful to him for not only restoring the confidence of Babar but also helping him and Shaheen blossom during his team as head coach.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yeah, fair play to Misbah for admitting to his mistake, but let’s just say if Misbah was the coach during that WC, Shaheen wouldn’t have been there and if he was he wouldn’t have been in the playing xi.

So the question is, what if Misbah makes those mistakes again, what if he has made that mistake again, imagine another upcoming Shaheen trying to get into the team, is Misbah the right man to manage a player like him?

Hopefully he has learned from it. And judging a player is not just one person's call. Selectors would have to pick that guy first, then there would be bowling coach and captain as well to discuss stuff with. I don't think Misbah is some adamant and rigid sort of person who wouldn't want to listen to others. Actually since his appointment, he has shown himself to be listening to the fans. Contrary to the reports, Fakhar wasn't dropped from the team. Shaheen has become the lead bowler in all formats since WC19. Rizwan has been called back and the rewards are for everyone to see.

No coach is going to be perfect. We can say the same for Mickey, maybe he kept some player out of the team based on his rating of the team which could have been beneficial for the team (hypothetically speaking Fawad Alam or Junaid Khan)

 

[ritzy_123]

Misbah with his education, calm head and attitude could be very good successor to Wasim Khan or Director Academies.

I think he has chosen the wrong path or he has been forced on wrong path by his supporters within PM House

Its double trouble dangerous for his own career and also worse for youngsters and team.

His stint with Islamabad United and the issues we saw I personally feel he thinks he cannot do a mistake and that is why he must not be anywhere near the Pakistan Cricket Board or the Team

 

[MenInG]

Misbah - still has the legs for the job.

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[ask_analyse_act]

Misbah - still has the legs for the job.

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looks like better than kamran akmal lol ...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

After Haris injury there is sure shot place for Saud shakeel...Will see how he treats Saud Shakeel and Shahnawaz Dahani now...

 

[shamaan]

After Haris injury there is sure shot place for Saud shakeel...Will see how he treats Saud Shakeel and Shahnawaz Dahani now...

I would have played both haris and saud

 

[daytrader]

Never claimed nor implied that he was part of the set-up at the time of the 2019 WC so please brush up on your comprehension skills before jumping in defence of the guy you simply blind follow.

The reason why I made reference to his views in relation to Shaheen was to give a prominent example of Misbah's poor cricketing IQ but also how he seems to lose faith in youngsters after one bad game.

As a die hard follower this will be a difficult pill for you to swallow but the reality is that later on in the tournament, his views on Shaheen had backfired spectacularly and was left with egg on his face, so much so he had to admit that he was wrong.

If you're gonna stay in super defensive mode, this isn't the place to jump in as this is a no win scenario for Misbah's cheerleaders, so I would strongly advise making a swift exit from this thread.

My friend you have a habit of exaggerating and I got what you were implying between the lines. MIisbah was a cricket commentator then and if he had a dig at Shaheen after his lack of performances, it's not an indicator that he's dismissive of him. The real indicator is that while COACHING, misbah has backed Shaheen as the leader of our pace attack. This is clearly evident from all the games Shaheen is playing. Quit making it seem like Misbah is against Shaheen or any other youngster. The man is impartial and has given chances to all prominent youngsters most recently Azam Khan. It's not his fault if the quality of cricketers in our national setup are not upto par

 

[daytrader]

In spite of him, not because of him. And then lost a MVP for IU forever.

Not to mention how much trash he talked about Shaheen during the World Cup. Among our best players and that’s how he treated them. Shaheen and Babar are lucky Mickey was around.

How did he treat them? By backing them and selecting them in all games. We are taking about Misbah the coach not the commentator

 

[daytrader]

Just prior to the last Australia tour, Misbah's fans were raving about the inclusions of Naseem Shah and Musa Khan. These guys were so raw they should never have been anywhere near the Pakistan A side let alone the first XI for the national side.

Chucking in very raw blood into the side may have made Misbah come across as a champion for the development of youngsters but truth be told he had done nothing but make things worse for their careers.

Babar could have easily been a lost cause because of how Misbah handled him in two critical stages of his development.

The first of these was during the 2016/17 tour of Australia when Misbah was captaining the team. He made Babar, who was very raw at the time, bat at 3 on his first tour of Australia against Starc and Hazlewood.

The second example was when Babar was left out by Misbah during his ISLU days at the PSL.

It makes you wonder how much impact this had on Babar's confidence and mental strength. Imagine being the best batsman being in the country but an incompetent ex player with poor cricketing IQ is the reason why you are left out from a mediocre domestic T20 side.

Mickey had his faults and was far from perfect but we should be thankful to him for not only restoring the confidence of Babar but also helping him and Shaheen blossom during his team as head coach.

Babar is scoring runs and is captaining the side so clearly he has no confidence issues. He couldn't do this without the coach backing him.

In hindsight the Australia example you gave was actually great for Babar's development. Being exposed to a high quality attack, abroad and in testing conditions makes a batter. Unlike you ungrateful fans, Babar is probably thankful he got such an opportunity early in his career

 

[Forum363]

How did he treat them? By backing them and selecting them in all games. We are taking about Misbah the coach not the commentator

Who exactly has be backed and helped their career?

And don’t talk about taking an inexperienced Musa and Naseem to Australia when that clearly wasn’t right.

 

[Kroll]

The only reason Misbah is picking youngsters is because it is forced as his old pals that he generally likes to pick are not getting squad selected.

 

[Major]

Rizwan is performing under misbah.

 

[Major]

Just prior to the last Australia tour, Misbah's fans were raving about the inclusions of Naseem Shah and Musa Khan. These guys were so raw they should never have been anywhere near the Pakistan A side let alone the first XI for the national side.

Chucking in very raw blood into the side may have made Misbah come across as a champion for the development of youngsters but truth be told he had done nothing but make things worse for their careers.

Babar could have easily been a lost cause because of how Misbah handled him in two critical stages of his development.

The first of these was during the 2016/17 tour of Australia when Misbah was captaining the team. He made Babar, who was very raw at the time, bat at 3 on his first tour of Australia against Starc and Hazlewood.

The second example was when Babar was left out by Misbah during his ISLU days at the PSL.

It makes you wonder how much impact this had on Babar's confidence and mental strength. Imagine being the best batsman being in the country but an incompetent ex player with poor cricketing IQ is the reason why you are left out from a mediocre domestic T20 side.

Mickey had his faults and was far from perfect but we should be thankful to him for not only restoring the confidence of Babar but also helping him and Shaheen blossom during his team as head coach.

Babar azam was rightly allowed to be let go from islamabad united back than

Two games and he was struggling. He couldnt even play Shaun tait.

Anyways, babar grts rested, islamabad wins the tournament and than it wins another aswell.

Babar azam was not a good t20 player at the time and was not needed. Going to karachi benefitted him

 

[TheSultan]

Misbah’s selection of youngsters was just a typical tantrum-based decision by this legendary excuse-maker. “Oh you want me to pick youngsters do you? There I selected the youngest cricketers in Pakistan”.

There’s no thinking, no strategy, are they ready, do they have any experience, just a vengeful response to his critics - “there you go I selected some youngsters now don’t question me again about this”

Very shameless individual who just wants to keep his job without any accountability

 

[daytrader]

Who exactly has be backed and helped their career?

And don’t talk about taking an inexperienced Musa and Naseem to Australia when that clearly wasn’t right.

Well he's getting criticized for the treatment of Babar and Shaheen so it's obvious we are talking about them. Misbah has backed both throughout his coaching career. You don't become a captain or head of the pace attack if you don't have your coach's backing

 

[Forum363]

Well he's getting criticized for the treatment of Babar and Shaheen so it's obvious we are talking about them. Misbah has backed both throughout his coaching career. You don't become a captain or head of the pace attack if you don't have your coach's backing

You mean like when Misbah dropped Babar in the first PSL and led to him leaving IU?

Or when he wasn’t part of the management during the 2019 world cup but kept saying in the press that Shaheen shouldn’t be playing, why is he playing etc, only to be left with egg on his face when he performed brilliantly. At least he accepted he was wrong but then it’s easy to back someone when they win you games, where was the support for the teenager before that?

 

[Forum363]

Babar azam was rightly allowed to be let go from islamabad united back than

Two games and he was struggling. He couldnt even play Shaun tait.

Anyways, babar grts rested, islamabad wins the tournament and than it wins another aswell.

Babar azam was not a good t20 player at the time and was not needed. Going to karachi benefitted him

What a joke. Anyone who watched Babar bat from under 15 knew he had the gift of timing.

According to you, 2 games is enough to judge a young player and drop him for the rest of the tournament. IU had a good all round team so they won but it doesn’t vindicate Babar being dropped and losing the PSL’s mvp for all the seasons after that.

But I will accept that moving to Karachi helped Babar because he was out of Misbah’s shadow for a while.

 

[daytrader]

What a joke. Anyone who watched Babar bat from under 15 knew he had the gift of timing.

According to you, 2 games is enough to judge a young player and drop him for the rest of the tournament. IU had a good all round team so they won but it doesn’t vindicate Babar being dropped and losing the PSL’s mvp for all the seasons after that.

But I will accept that moving to Karachi helped Babar because he was out of Misbah’s shadow for a while.

If Misbah didn't believe in his talent he wouldn't have selected him for IU. It's when the tournament started that he figured the foreigners are in better form and to perisist with them. Iu's top order was firing and Babar didn't fit in then. In hindsight dropping Babar from IU has done wonders for his career because he's taken his t20 game more seriously. You should be thanking Misbah for the wakeup call. Even the best need to be told they can improve

 

[Forum363]

If Misbah didn't believe in his talent he wouldn't have selected him for IU. It's when the tournament started that he figured the foreigners are in better form and to perisist with them. Iu's top order was firing and Babar didn't fit in then. In hindsight dropping Babar from IU has done wonders for his career because he's taken his t20 game more seriously. You should be thanking Misbah for the wakeup call. Even the best need to be told they can improve

All kinds of players are selected in PSL. Babar was in the national team and performing in domestic so it wasn’t an outside the box thing for him to be picked up for a squad.

Babar has done well because he’s a great talent and works hard. It’s not due to Misbah dropping him in PSL that he upped his game. He’s been improving at the international level since he started. Mickey persisted with him in tests and he came good. Are you saying he only became good at T20s because Misbah dropped him…….. hilarious.

The limit Misbah supporters go to, to turn his wrongs into a positive is crazy. Just accept the facts. Support Pakistan not Misbah.

 

[daytrader]

All kinds of players are selected in PSL. Babar was in the national team and performing in domestic so it wasn’t an outside the box thing for him to be picked up for a squad.

Babar has done well because he’s a great talent and works hard. It’s not due to Misbah dropping him in PSL that he upped his game. He’s been improving at the international level since he started. Mickey persisted with him in tests and he came good. Are you saying he only became good at T20s because Misbah dropped him…….. hilarious.

The limit Misbah supporters go to, to turn his wrongs into a positive is crazy. Just accept the facts. Support Pakistan not Misbah.

Misbah haters love to blow things out of proportion when they miss the point. When Babar was dropped from IU, he wasn't the best then. In PSL 1 he was in the silver category with the likes of Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali. He didn't fit in the IU top order because they had in form foreign players + sharjeel. It wouldve been injustice to try to fit him at 4/5.

 

[Forum363]

Misbah haters love to blow things out of proportion when they miss the point. When Babar was dropped from IU, he wasn't the best then. In PSL 1 he was in the silver category with the likes of Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali. He didn't fit in the IU top order because they had in form foreign players + sharjeel. It wouldve been injustice to try to fit him at 4/5.

And you’re not getting the point. If you don’t see the difference between a youngster like Babar at that stage and Asad shafiq, then there’s no point in arguing with you.

Babar was one of the most hyped talents in our history and came through the system from under 15. Misbah couldn’t see the obvious whereas there was plenty of evidence. It’s not like the case with Rizwan where he was average for a long time and then raised his game at an older age. Babar has improved but he’s always been world class for his level.

Misbah didn’t see it with him. He didn’t see it with Shaheen and talked rubbish about him during the World Cup only to end up with egg on his face. Those are facts. Even you can’t argue with that.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

And you’re not getting the point. If you don’t see the difference between a youngster like Babar at that stage and Asad shafiq, then there’s no point in arguing with you.

Babar was one of the most hyped talents in our history and came through the system from under 15. Misbah couldn’t see the obvious whereas there was plenty of evidence. It’s not like the case with Rizwan where he was average for a long time and then raised his game at an older age. Babar has improved but he’s always been world class for his level.

Misbah didn’t see it with him. He didn’t see it with Shaheen and talked rubbish about him during the World Cup only to end up with egg on his face. Those are facts. Even you can’t argue with that.

Babar didn't make his t20i debut till mid 2016 so he definitely wasn't seen as a big gun around that time even in ODIs he wasn't a regular. IU has always been a data driven team. Don't think Misbah had all the authority over the team then.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Shaheen has been becoming increasingly inconsistent. Don't know who to blame. Waqar definitely in the race there.

 

[daytrader]

Babar didn't make his t20i debut till mid 2016 so he definitely wasn't seen as a big gun around that time even in ODIs he wasn't a regular. IU has always been a data driven team. Don't think Misbah had all the authority over the team then.

You're spot on, Misbah didn't even have authority back then. IU was run by Dean Jones and Wasim Akram back then. Infact Misbah wasn't even the first player they picked in the draft. These haters are clutching at straws to have digs at Misbah.

 

[daytrader]

And you’re not getting the point. If you don’t see the difference between a youngster like Babar at that stage and Asad shafiq, then there’s no point in arguing with you.

Babar was one of the most hyped talents in our history and came through the system from under 15. Misbah couldn’t see the obvious whereas there was plenty of evidence. It’s not like the case with Rizwan where he was average for a long time and then raised his game at an older age. Babar has improved but he’s always been world class for his level.

Misbah didn’t see it with him. He didn’t see it with Shaheen and talked rubbish about him during the World Cup only to end up with egg on his face. Those are facts. Even you can’t argue with that.

My friend facts are that Babar and Shaheen are the first 2 names in Misbah's team! So please quit portraying that they don't get along or that Misbah doesn't trust them. He knows their skillset better than you and I