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A lot of talk about this going on - much coming from the man himself

Not an ATG but a very good bowler at his best who had one ATG worthy season.

Will be the 4th highest ever wicket taker for Australia.

With Pattinson on the way back it's probably good timing as well
 
2012-13 Johnson was probably the most devastating and intimidating season of bowling I've ever seen from any bowler. And I saw Thommo in 74-76.
 
A lot of talk about this going on - much coming from the man himself

Not an ATG but a very good bowler at his best who had one ATG worthy season.

Will be the 4th highest ever wicket taker for Australia.

With Pattinson on the way back it's probably good timing as well

from all formats ?
 
Why on earth would he retire now when he can easily give 2-3 years to the game? Does not make sense?
 
i think he should play till champions trophy , his experiance is needed not only for team but also for youngesters so that they could learn something from him.
 
I've seen and heard yesterday's round of interviews, and I'm not so sure that it's that imminent.

He has acknowledged that after The Ashes he was ambivalent about whether to continue but he has said that he has really enjoyed getting himself back fit for the summer after a few weeks off.

He also said that he was proud to equal Brett Lee's 310 Test wickets, but he also knew that next on the list is Dennis Lillee in third place with 355* Test wickets.

He's not going to take 45 wickets in 2 more home Tests v the Kiwis and then 3 against the West Indies - not with Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon also licking their lips.

Even if you add on the following 2 Tests in New Zealand in February, 45 wickets in 7 Tests is still highly improbable.

So my guess is that he will keep going a bit longer.

(* Dennis Lillee's 355 wickets is, of course, grossly unfair, as it excludes his SuperTest wickets at an even higher level of cricket.)
 
Why on earth would he retire now when he can easily give 2-3 years to the game? Does not make sense?

Because he is slowing down and he wants to retire he's still good enough to be in the team?

He's extremely athletic but for a player of his skillset he can't really play for that much longer. He is pretty pace dependent.

i think he should play till champions trophy , his experiance is needed not only for team but also for youngesters so that they could learn something from him.

No need.

1. Champions trophy is an irrelevancy
2. Starc is by far the main man in the ODI attack anyway. Give some of the younger guys like Sandhu a go
 
In terms of matches won single handedly, certainly not an unfulfilled talent. I'd rather have players who've impacted the game greater. Very threatening bowler on his day. Would go down as one of the good ones and the 3rd best left armer of his generation after Wasim and Zaheer and slightly above Vaas.
 
I've seen and heard yesterday's round of interviews, and I'm not so sure that it's that imminent.

He has acknowledged that after The Ashes he was ambivalent about whether to continue but he has said that he has really enjoyed getting himself back fit for the summer after a few weeks off.

He also said that he was proud to equal Brett Lee's 310 Test wickets, but he also knew that next on the list is Dennis Lillee in third place with 355* Test wickets.

He's not going to take 45 wickets in 2 more home Tests v the Kiwis and then 3 against the West Indies - not with Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon also licking their lips.

Even if you add on the following 2 Tests in New Zealand in February, 45 wickets in 7 Tests is still highly improbable.

So my guess is that he will keep going a bit longer.

(* Dennis Lillee's 355 wickets is, of course, grossly unfair, as it excludes his SuperTest wickets at an even higher level of cricket.)

Okay. The talk I have heard extends a bit further from just the interviews.

He's also not the type to play on just to try and get a record.

He's not getting pushed though the selectors are pretty keen to bring Pattinson back once they're confident in his fitness and it would make things more convenient given that a Starc/Johnson/Pattinson pace trio has it's issues.
 
Okay. The talk I have heard extends a bit further from just the interviews.

He's also not the type to play on just to try and get a record.

He's not getting pushed though the selectors are pretty keen to bring Pattinson back once they're confident in his fitness and it would make things more convenient given that a Starc/Johnson/Pattinson pace trio has it's issues.

Very fair comments, especially about Mitch not being driven by records - which is why I was surprised that he knew of Lillee's 355 mark.

As you know, I've often commented that to me Australia's potential pace stockpile of Cummins, Pattinson, Hazlewood and Starc is even scarier than the Harris/Johnson combo.

But I'd qualify that by saying that I'm still deeply unconvinced by the changes that have been made to James Pattinson's action.

We have seen Mohammad Amir roar back with his old action - even in his current "poor" game he roared back to knock over the tail and end up with something like 3-68.

Pattinson is nowhere near that. He has played one First Class match with this action, for figures of:

24-5-72-1 (by day)
.....and........
9-1-35-3 (by night)

His list A figures preceding that aren't stellar either:

1-49
3-35
1-62
1-20
0-35
4-53
4-18 (against grade cricketers)
0-73
0-36

Mitch is 34 now and the end is obviously not that far away.

But with Cummins again ruled out for the season with stress fractures in his back and Pattinson still erratic with a new action, I'm not sure that Mitch needs to be replaced anytime soon.
 
Very fair comments, especially about Mitch not being driven by records - which is why I was surprised that he knew of Lillee's 355 mark.

As you know, I've often commented that to me Australia's potential pace stockpile of Cummins, Pattinson, Hazlewood and Starc is even scarier than the Harris/Johnson combo.

But I'd qualify that by saying that I'm still deeply unconvinced by the changes that have been made to James Pattinson's action.

We have seen Mohammad Amir roar back with his old action - even in his current "poor" game he roared back to knock over the tail and end up with something like 3-68.

Pattinson is nowhere near that. He has played one First Class match with this action, for figures of:

24-5-72-1 (by day)
.....and........
9-1-35-3 (by night)

His list A figures preceding that aren't stellar either:

1-49
3-35
1-62
1-20
0-35
4-53
4-18 (against grade cricketers)
0-73
0-36

Mitch is 34 now and the end is obviously not that far away.

But with Cummins again ruled out for the season with stress fractures in his back and Pattinson still erratic with a new action, I'm not sure that Mitch needs to be replaced anytime soon.

Really?

I mean not only is Lillee his mentor but he actually has a strong appreciation and love of the game.

He's a test purist at heart who is not happy with these pink balls and drop in pitches and test cricket leaving the WACA.
 
Really?

I mean not only is Lillee his mentor but he actually has a strong appreciation and love of the game.

He's a test purist at heart who is not happy with these pink balls and drop in pitches and test cricket leaving the WACA.

Again, fair comments.

I guess I've read a lot of cricket autobiographies in which it has been pointed out that players like Richard Hadlee and Geoff Boycott were excessively familiar with their averages and numbers of wickets and runs respectively and were despised by their team-mates for it.

I'm even a bit surprised that Lillee knows that he himself took 355 wickets!
 
Again, fair comments.

I guess I've read a lot of cricket autobiographies in which it has been pointed out that players like Richard Hadlee and Geoff Boycott were excessively familiar with their averages and numbers of wickets and runs respectively and were despised by their team-mates for it.

I'm even a bit surprised that Lillee knows that he himself took 355 wickets!

It's pretty easy with cricinfo now days.

I think there is a difference between knowing your averages and your number of wickets (most cricketers do - eve at club level. ) and being obsessed with them and going on and on about it.

Read excessively familiar as constantly irritating everyone else about your stats and probably giving the impression of occasionally prioritising the red ink instead of the team.
 
In terms of matches won single handedly, certainly not an unfulfilled talent. I'd rather have players who've impacted the game greater. Very threatening bowler on his day. Would go down as one of the good ones and the 3rd best left armer of his generation after Wasim and Zaheer and slightly above Vaas.

are u saying zaheer was better than vaas?
 
In terms of matches won single handedly, certainly not an unfulfilled talent. I'd rather have players who've impacted the game greater. Very threatening bowler on his day. Would go down as one of the good ones and the 3rd best left armer of his generation after Wasim and Zaheer and slightly above Vaas.

I beg your pardon?

Firstly, Wasim Akram and Chaminda Vaas were a slightly earlier generation.

Secondly, Mitchell Johnson's record - in an era of slightly higher bowling averages - smashes Vaas and especially Zaheer to smithereens.

Thirdly, Mitch isn't really in the category of pure bowlers - he is a "bowling all-rounder" - a man who can score important runs as well as being a strike bowler.

And in that regard he is up with Alan Davidson and Wasim Akram in the three greatest bowling all-rounders of all-time.

I always judge cricketers by how they perform against the best teams in the most crucial parts of big series.

And this is how Mitchell Johnson won two Test series in South Africa for Australia:

2009-10
First Test at Jo'burg
96 not out
4-25
1
4-112

Second Test at Durban
0
3-37 (and broke Smith's hand again)
1-78

Third Test at Cape Town
35
4-148
123 not out

2013-14 in South Africa
First Test at Centurion
33
7-68
5-59

Second Test at Port Elizabeth
1-70
27
2-51
6

Third Test at Cape Town
0
4-42
3-92

That is just a stupendous record. To win two series away to the world's best team and to perform so well, and with the bat as well as with the ball.

To compare him to Vaas or Zaheer Khan is really quite insulting.
 
It's a good thing. Mitch did a fantastic job the last few years. But now is the time to blood in the youngsters. Cummins,Pattinson and Hazelwood are the way forward.

Siddle should follow suit as well.
 
It's the right time for johnson to retire but not sure why siddle would follow?

Siddle is still only 30 and our talented young bowlers all seem to be made of glass so he would be nuts to call it a day now.
 
It's the right time for johnson to retire but not sure why siddle would follow?

Siddle is still only 30 and our talented young bowlers all seem to be made of glass so he would be nuts to call it a day now.

I think Siddle is past his best. At the moment he is a stop gap 4th choice bowler, who isn't as quick as he used to be. With Johnson gone, Cummins or Pattinson need to replace him. Going back to Siddle won't be of much use long term.
 
Tbf, with that bowling action....it must take a toll on his body.

I recall him having 1-2 good seasons. Could have been alot more.
 
Tbf, with that bowling action....it must take a toll on his body.

I recall him having 1-2 good seasons. Could have been alot more.

He is the two-times ICC World Cricketer of the Year, for 2009 and 2014.

That is an incredible achievement. In the 11 years that the award has existed, the winners have been:

Dravid
Flintoff + Kallis
Ponting
Ponting
Chanderpaul
Johnson
Tendulkar
Trott
Sangakkara
Clarke
Johnson

In other words, Johnson and Ponting are the outstanding cricketers of the last decade - the only two cricketers to be recognised twice as the greatest in the world.
Johnson
 
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He's still got a few years left in the tank. Hope he doesn't call it quits.
 
Loved his aggression during the last ashes. He was really in the entire England teams heads and you could tell they were scared. Devastating bowler when he is on point.

Will be sad when he finally retires.
 
Please enjoy your Australian Summer, one of the best bowlers of his time.

Just retire before we tour you next year :mj
 
That one season was amazing.

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We were about to tour Aus and this Johnson scared the hell out of me. Many Indians were convinced of a 0-4 whitewash.

Luckily he had subsided by then. Still was lethal but nothing like THAT lethal.
 
In terms of matches won single handedly, certainly not an unfulfilled talent. I'd rather have players who've impacted the game greater. Very threatening bowler on his day. Would go down as one of the good ones and the 3rd best left armer of his generation after Wasim and Zaheer and slightly above Vaas.

I know averages aren't everything, but there's a 5 run difference in average... and Mitch hasn't played against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh - Zaheer's top two favorite opponents.

To suggest Zaheer's better than Mitch in any way is ridiculous.
 
I know averages aren't everything, but there's a 5 run difference in average... and Mitch hasn't played against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh - Zaheer's top two favorite opponents.

To suggest Zaheer's better than Mitch in any way is ridiculous.
It's just the usual gems from FC
 
2012-13 Johnson was probably the most devastating and intimidating season of bowling I've ever seen from any bowler. And I saw Thommo in 74-76.

U havent seen shoaib in 2002 then. Nobody comes close
 
That one season was amazing.

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We were about to tour Aus and this Johnson scared the hell out of me. Many Indians were convinced of a 0-4 whitewash.

Luckily he had subsided by then. Still was lethal but nothing like THAT lethal.

He was even more lethal in the first test in SA that season than in the Ashes. Just brutal. We also were fortunate that we got slower pitches.
 
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He was even more lethal in the first test in SA that season than in the Ashes. Just brutal. We also were fortunate that we got slower pitches.

He just wasn't the same against us bro. Post UAE (where he was good but not great), he wasn't the same.

And I think I know who you are mate. ;-)

Assuming I am not totally wrong, WE, welcome back to the forum. :)
 
In terms of matches won single handedly, certainly not an unfulfilled talent. I'd rather have players who've impacted the game greater. Very threatening bowler on his day. Would go down as one of the good ones and the 3rd best left armer of his generation after Wasim and Zaheer and slightly above Vaas.

Stop trying to troll. He is better than Zaheer. Heck Vaas was better than Zaheer. Wahab Riaz is better than Zaheer.

Whats with you Indians really and Zaheer? He plays a few good seasons and all of a sudden you want to make him into one of the best lefties.


Irfan Pathan was better than Zaheer. Aamir IS better than Zaheer.

And good luck to Mitch. He has had a good career. Wonderful bowler!
 
Want to see Babar Azam smash him next year, don't retire yet Mojo jojo.
 
He just wasn't the same against us bro. Post UAE (where he was good but not great), he wasn't the same.

And I think I know who you are mate. ;-)

Assuming I am not totally wrong, WE, welcome back to the forum. :)

I think Hughes' death played a part as well. Aussies were not keen on bowling barrage of bouncers.
 
One of the best fast bowler of this era after Steyn.Just a notch below ATG.His semifinal performance against India still hurts.played a crucial cameo with bat and was excellent with the ball too..
 
For the respect i have for Mitchy and our mods, i won't reply to the comments quoting me putting Zaheer ahead of Mitchy. You could quote me in another appropriate thread and i might bother to explain. Sorry, thanks.
 
He's a double WC winner too right?
 
Very fair comments, especially about Mitch not being driven by records - which is why I was surprised that he knew of Lillee's 355 mark.

As you know, I've often commented that to me Australia's potential pace stockpile of Cummins, Pattinson, Hazlewood and Starc is even scarier than the Harris/Johnson combo.

But I'd qualify that by saying that I'm still deeply unconvinced by the changes that have been made to James Pattinson's action.

We have seen Mohammad Amir roar back with his old action - even in his current "poor" game he roared back to knock over the tail and end up with something like 3-68.

Pattinson is nowhere near that. He has played one First Class match with this action, for figures of:

24-5-72-1 (by day)
.....and........
9-1-35-3 (by night)

His list A figures preceding that aren't stellar either:

1-49
3-35
1-62
1-20
0-35
4-53
4-18 (against grade cricketers)
0-73
0-36

Mitch is 34 now and the end is obviously not that far away.

But with Cummins again ruled out for the season with stress fractures in his back and Pattinson still erratic with a new action, I'm not sure that Mitch needs to be replaced anytime soon.

Patto had to change his action, he's been getting a major injury every year since his teens. I am not sure he will be as effective either, but it was that or no career. The same choice will have to be made by Cummins.
 
Stop trying to troll. He is better than Zaheer. Heck Vaas was better than Zaheer. Wahab Riaz is better than Zaheer.

Whats with you Indians really and Zaheer? He plays a few good seasons and all of a sudden you want to make him into one of the best lefties.


Irfan Pathan was better than Zaheer. Aamir IS better than Zaheer.

And good luck to Mitch. He has had a good career. Wonderful bowler!

Zaheer Khan's bowling average is touching 33. Prior to his golden 1-2 years, it was touching 35-36. Enough said. Just a decent bowler among a bad lot.
 
Johnson looks really down on pace, Hazlewood is matching him. Probably a good decision to step away from international cricket at the end of the summer.
 
For the respect i have for Mitchy and our mods, i won't reply to the comments quoting me putting Zaheer ahead of Mitchy. You could quote me in another appropriate thread and i might bother to explain. Sorry, thanks.

You brought Zak into this thread and you won't reply to the comments? :))

You are getting ahead of yourself. Zaheer like Mitch blew hot and cold, but Mitch at his best was well above Zak. What is Zaheer's equivalent of MJ running through England and SA teams? You had a valid argument only if Zaheer was very consistent throughout his career because MJ at his peak was ATG level.
 
Hopefully he retires before the Pakistan series and that Starc somehow doesn't play the series and then we have a chance, although having said that when Pakistani batting collapses, it takes the nature of the pitch and opposition bowling quality out of the equation.
 
Johnson looks really down on pace, Hazlewood is matching him. Probably a good decision to step away from international cricket at the end of the summer.

Yeah and Hazelwood usually bowls within himself whereas MJ is flat out. Agree it's a good decision if that's the way he goes, retire while you are still competitive at the top level.
 
MJ is and has been a very good bowler for Australia but seen some people suggest that he's just below the ATG status or some even saying that he's an ATG but that couldn't be further from the truth.

MJ in Austraia:
168 wickets in 33 matches @ 24.88 avg and 45.5 SR
Very very good stats in Aus but that's his home and also the place which most suits his style.

In SA:
41 wickets in 8 matches @ 25.29 avg and 47.9 SR
Only other place which MJ has a very good record in and has to be said it's very impressive given the SA teams he's played against.

In West Indies:
18 wickets in 5 matches @ 27.55 avg and 51.8 SR
Considering the quality of WI teams he's played against the wicket tally is nothing and SR is very average too.

In England:
Just 38 wickets in 12 matches @ 36.63 avg and 56.2 SR.
Very poor record given how good England is for pace bowlers and how much movement it provides for bowlers who can extract it. Not only is the avg poor but the wicket tally and the SR too.

In Asia:
33 wickets in 12 matches @ 40.33 avg and 80 SR
Extremely poor record, the numbers speak for themselves and look at the SR.

All in all, the numbers tell a story. MJ is a good bowler without being great, his only weapon is the bouncer which only really works on really fast Aussie tracks, unlike great fast bowlers he's unable to extract seam and swing movement from pitches which provide such movement.
Another thing which looks bad on his record is the fact that he was hardly ever known as a great exponent of reverse swing, something which he should've been given how much pace he had and how slingy his action is.
 
MJ is and has been a very good bowler for Australia but seen some people suggest that he's just below the ATG status or some even saying that he's an ATG but that couldn't be further from the truth.

MJ in Austraia:
168 wickets in 33 matches @ 24.88 avg and 45.5 SR
Very very good stats in Aus but that's his home and also the place which most suits his style.

In SA:
41 wickets in 8 matches @ 25.29 avg and 47.9 SR
Only other place which MJ has a very good record in and has to be said it's very impressive given the SA teams he's played against.

In West Indies:
18 wickets in 5 matches @ 27.55 avg and 51.8 SR
Considering the quality of WI teams he's played against the wicket tally is nothing and SR is very average too.

In England:
Just 38 wickets in 12 matches @ 36.63 avg and 56.2 SR.
Very poor record given how good England is for pace bowlers and how much movement it provides for bowlers who can extract it. Not only is the avg poor but the wicket tally and the SR too.

In Asia:
33 wickets in 12 matches @ 40.33 avg and 80 SR
Extremely poor record, the numbers speak for themselves and look at the SR.

All in all, the numbers tell a story. MJ is a good bowler without being great, his only weapon is the bouncer which only really works on really fast Aussie tracks, unlike great fast bowlers he's unable to extract seam and swing movement from pitches which provide such movement.
Another thing which looks bad on his record is the fact that he was hardly ever known as a great exponent of reverse swing, something which he should've been given how much pace he had and how slingy his action is.

Never heard anyone say that MJ is ATG or anything close. However he did have some ATG level performances.
 
Don't think even the most one eyed aussie thinks he's an ATG, he was however a very valuable bowler for us in a tough rebuilding time after the greats had called it a day.

I think this is the right test for him to end on, WACA has been a great ground for him in test matches and it's now his adopted state/home ground so nice place to call it a day.
 
Mitch is by far my favourite modern cricketer and I'm really sad, really, really sad, to see him go.

Don't just judge him by just his bowling numbers. His performances won two huge Test series in South Africa, in the first of which with the bat he scored a century and a 96 not out.

At this stage I'm no longer even looking forward to going to the Adelaide Test. Without Mitch I'm struggling to find any enthusiasm at all. In my time I've sung his song with the Barmy Army - which I'm not a member of - but that comes from a mixture of respect and affection. I was there when he roughed up Jonathan Trott at the Gabba, and I hate the idea of never watching him bowl again.
 
Mitch is by far my favourite modern cricketer and I'm really sad, really, really sad, to see him go.

Don't just judge him by just his bowling numbers. His performances won two huge Test series in South Africa, in the first of which with the bat he scored a century and a 96 not out.

At this stage I'm no longer even looking forward to going to the Adelaide Test. Without Mitch I'm struggling to find any enthusiasm at all. In my time I've sung his song with the Barmy Army - which I'm not a member of - but that comes from a mixture of respect and affection. I was there when he roughed up Jonathan Trott at the Gabba, and I hate the idea of never watching him bowl again.

He'll play out the shield season I reckon.

Also a good chance of playing some games for Wanneroo
 
Will miss Mitch. Very exciting to watch and I loved the action even though it feels like it puts a lot of stress on his back.

Remember one of his first matches as a reserve player who got a game against India in Malaysia and absolutely demolished their much vaunted batting line up. Australia bowling was so strong then that he was released from the squad the next day
 
His bowling in the last Ashes in Aus is the most hostile I have ever seen. He has been a good bowler but lacked the consistency and skill to be considered as a great bowler.
 
Only non Pakistani player I'm sad to see go. Him and Steyn are the only remaining fast bowlers who bowl with venom rest are too soft, they are a species on the verge of extinction, saw these types of vicious pacers in the 80s to 90s, and now really only 2 left. Wish him luck.

Hope Pattinson takes his place, that guys is p fierce too. Sad he got injured near 2013 ashes and isn't back yet, but I hope he makes a successful comeback. Heard he also changed his bowling action?

Pattinson, Amir, and Rabada- good fast bowling prospects to watch for in the next few years.
 
Sad to see him go out like this, he seems like a good guy.
 
Tbh, it was only about a year ago that he was revered as the most dangerous bowler in the world.
His decline has been very sudden.
Is struggling to bowl over 145 in this test.

I think the india series/ hughes' deathreally burst his bubble n made him realize that he wasnt himself anymore
 
Tbh, it was only about a year ago that he was revered as the most dangerous bowler in the world.
His decline has been very sudden.
Is struggling to bowl over 145 in this test.

I think the india series/ hughes' deathreally burst his bubble n made him realize that he wasnt himself anymore

To be fair, his rise was sudden as well. A year before the Ashes, he was bowling 140 with no control and was out of the national side.
 
On Johnson's ATG status - he isn't an ATG.

But his best is something no cricket lover who watched him will forget and it's the kind of thing you tell your grandkids about
 
It's official. Today is his last day of international cricket
 
Sad to see him go.

His peak was amazing even if it was short and sweet.
 
WTH TODAY?? I thought it was after the series

Damn, feel pretty sad now. Maybe because he's the one player I've seen since his debut till the end, witnessing the entire rollercoaster of a career he has gone through.


#2013neverforget #GoodByeMitch :sree
 
Mitch is one of three quicks toiling on these flat wickets this summer.

And is he doing worse than Trent Boult? Nope.

And Mitch Starc isn't exactly setting the world on fire with the red ball.

The assumption in this thread is that to be an ATG you have to perform in all conditions. Maybe.

But Mitch is more than Thommo was - and you all know that I love Thommo. Mitch performed on a wider range of surfaces and he won Tests with the bat as well as the ball.
 
WTH TODAY?? I thought it was after the series

Damn, feel pretty sad now. Maybe because he's the one player I've seen since his debut till the end, witnessing the entire rollercoaster of a career he has gone through.


#2013neverforget #GoodByeMitch :sree

Well the WACA is his adopted home ground and it's the place he made a name for himself.

Plus who wants to go out playing that pink ball stuff?
 
A couple of good matches but all in all a average bowler, not in the class as Styen, Anderson, Harris, Amir and Malinga.
 
Cricket Australia is to be blamed. They didn't manage his work load properly. He should have been rested to enable him to bowl short sharp spells. The demise of Harris and Siddle also made a big difference.
 
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