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Mitchell Starc - GOAT World Cup performer?

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Two world cups only but dominated both.

His statistics are quite outrageous.

46 wickets at a bowling average of 12 and a SR of 18
 
Shami is following him with 30 wickets at a bowling average of 13
 
Frightening numbers. Dominating WCs in mostly batter friendly conditions. It’s a shame he hasn’t played many LO games for someone of his age as he deserves to have more wickets . Will finish his career as ATG in my opinion.
 
He has been simply phenomenal.

What a player to have in your World Cup squad.

Dominated two world cups back to back like no one ever has.
 
Better than Wasim in World cups for sure.

2 World cups and 2 deserving Man of the tournaments for him.
 
Best in the world without a doubt he might become greatest ever in world cup after winning this world cup
 
Glenn McGrath is the GOAT in ODI cricket World Cups and overall in the ODI format as well.
 
Starc now draws level with Glenn McGrath for most wickets in a single World Cup campaign. 26
 
Better than Wasim in World cups for sure.

2 World cups and 2 deserving Man of the tournaments for him.

wasim is far better than this fodder who struggles on flat wickets. wasim was good everywhere. This starcyy needs helpful wickets. He never picks up wickets of key players without getting smashed on non helpful wickets. overrated.
 
I don't think you can compare any bowler from modern period (barring Steyn) with pace bowling legends from 90's. Starc is not good when pitch is flat.
 
wasim is far better than this fodder who struggles on flat wickets. wasim was good everywhere. This starcyy needs helpful wickets. He never picks up wickets of key players without getting smashed on non helpful wickets. overrated.

I am very confused regarding the nature of wickets during this WC.

When Rohit Sharma scores a hundred the tracks are batsmen friendly and when Starc takes wickets they are bowler friendly.

The exact nature will forever be a mystery.
 
I am very confused regarding the nature of wickets during this WC.

When Rohit Sharma scores a hundred the tracks are batsmen friendly and when Starc takes wickets they are bowler friendly.

The exact nature will forever be a mystery.

rohit is world class. rohit only struggles with swing which we dint see much in the world cup so far. wickets still had bounce and some seaming conditions to help bowlers.

starc benefited from it. wasim >>>>>>>> starc.
 
Could go down as the GOAT ODI bowler.

Surely has it nailed down if he leads Aus to another WC?
 
I think Starc is a potential ATG. We have to wait and see for a few more years.
 
Some of the posters are amazing. They dont rate current batsmen because they bat in flat tracks. But then they go on to overrate past bowlers who bowled on bowler friendly pitches. If past batsmen are glorified because they played on green uncovered pitches with no helmets, then current bowlers have to be glorified for bowling in these roads. If today's batsmen are flat track bullies, then older bowlers were green track bullies.
 
brilliant bowler.

I hope shaheen follows his footsteps , has a good world cup with 16 wickets @ 14.6.
 
Some of the posters are amazing. They dont rate current batsmen because they bat in flat tracks. But then they go on to overrate past bowlers who bowled on bowler friendly pitches. If past batsmen are glorified because they played on green uncovered pitches with no helmets, then current bowlers have to be glorified for bowling in these roads. If today's batsmen are flat track bullies, then older bowlers were green track bullies.

Interesting perspective :)
 
Not sure about Starc but there’s definitely at least one goat in our team - GOAT as in Greatly Overrated And Talentless
 
Mitchell Starc needs just 7 more wickets to become the first Australia bowler to take 50 wickets in men's T20Is
 
Surely Gary Gilmour is the World Cup GOAT bowler!

6-14 in the World Cup Semi-Final (in which he was also top scorer in the match)
5-48 in the World Cup Final

ODI career average 10.31
Career strike rate 20.0
Career economy rate 3.09

By far the greatest ODI cricketer in history!
 
He is one of the finest ODI players of all-time and with a WPM of 4+, he is up there with the test greats as well.

To me, he is a level superior to Michael Holding and at same level to Joel Garner as a test bowler.

GOAT in ODIs like Big Bird, Joel Garner and a great in tests.
 
He is one of the finest ODI players of all-time and with a WPM of 4+, he is up there with the test greats as well.

To me, he is a level superior to Michael Holding and at same level to Joel Garner as a test bowler.

GOAT in ODIs like Big Bird, Joel Garner and a great in tests.

WUT. He might have good WPM, but in the end the important thing is the average and his lack of a radar means he is not one of the greats
 
WUT. He might have good WPM, but in the end the important thing is the average and his lack of a radar means he is not one of the greats

His average is less because modern era batters go for high risk shots, you can't get away with them if you bowl a few loose shots or try different things.

Taking wickets matters, averages can be misleading in many cases. If a bowler can give me 4+ wickets per test in any attack which has Cummins, Lyon and Hazelwood, he is a great of the game.
 
His average is less because modern era batters go for high risk shots, you can't get away with them if you bowl a few loose shots or try different things.

Taking wickets matters, averages can be misleading in many cases. If a bowler can give me 4+ wickets per test in any attack which has Cummins, Lyon and Hazelwood, he is a great of the game.

Those high risk shots also give him more opportunities to get wickets. The bowling averages have stayed constant since the 40's. If a bowler took 5 WPM at an average of 30 would you consider him great. The aim of the game is to take wickets without conceding runs. One of the worst takes I have hard from a while
 
Some of the posters are amazing. They dont rate current batsmen because they bat in flat tracks. But then they go on to overrate past bowlers who bowled on bowler friendly pitches. If past batsmen are glorified because they played on green uncovered pitches with no helmets, then current bowlers have to be glorified for bowling in these roads. If today's batsmen are flat track bullies, then older bowlers were green track bullies.

I have said this a million times but most posters are too dumb to realize this fact.

Anyway in terms of skill starc isn't up there in tests. he is a good bowler but he is definitely one of the best ever in odi. Although, he is vastly helped by having ample rest. Australia preserve him well, conversely other teams tend to play their best bowlers for all jamodis series and other no WC related tournaments etc.
 
Those high risk shots also give him more opportunities to get wickets. The bowling averages have stayed constant since the 40's. If a bowler took 5 WPM at an average of 30 would you consider him great. <B>The aim of the game is to take wickets without conceding runs</B>. One of the worst takes I have hard from a while

That matters a lot in LOIs where he is already a legend of the game but in tests, it's about taking 20 wickets and it's okay if you even go for some extra runs.

No fast bowlers will take 5 WPM at an average of 30 until he is bowling with some part timers assistance and if he takes that many, he is a great of the game. The fact that Starc takes 4+ WPM in test matches even in presence of Cummins, Lyon and Hazelwood makes him truly a great of the game in test cricket.

As I said, I will put him a notch superior to Mikee holding nothing back and at same level to Joel Garner and I believe I have backed my argument very strongly.
 
That matters a lot in LOIs where he is already a legend of the game but in tests, it's about taking 20 wickets and it's okay if you even go for some extra runs.

No fast bowlers will take 5 WPM at an average of 30 until he is bowling with some part timers assistance and if he takes that many, he is a great of the game. The fact that Starc takes 4+ WPM in test matches even in presence of Cummins, Lyon and Hazelwood makes him truly a great of the game in test cricket.

As I said, I will put him a notch superior to Mikee holding nothing back and at same level to Joel Garner and I believe I have backed my argument very strongly.

No. Starc has lost games for Australia because of his economy. When Garner and Holding takes wicket at the same rate, but concedes 6 runs fewer for every wicket he is a better bowler.
Remember also that Holding took over 4 WPM with an attack including Garner, Roberts, Croft, Marshall etc. Who are clearly >>>> Hazlewood, Lyon and definitely Marshall is ahead of Cummins

In Starc = Garner, do you believe that Cummins > Marshall, as Cummins has been way ahead of Starc

It;s not
 
He is GOAT World cup performer as well as GOAT ODI bowler.
Cummins, Steyn, Johnson, Rabada, Amir, Shami, Bhuvi, Bumrah, Boult all are inferior to Starc in ODI.

My 1st non Pakistani favorite player.
 
No. Starc has lost games for Australia because of his economy. When Garner and Holding takes wicket at the same rate, but concedes 6 runs fewer for every wicket he is a better bowler.
Remember also that Holding took over 4 WPM with an attack including Garner, Roberts, Croft, Marshall etc. Who are clearly >>>> Hazlewood, Lyon and definitely Marshall is ahead of Cummins

In Starc = Garner, do you believe that Cummins > Marshall, as Cummins has been way ahead of Starc

It;s not

Interesting comparison but there is a difference of about 125 wickets on both side.

Marshall ended with 376 wickets while Garner ended with about 250 wickets. Garner may average 20 in tests but clearly he was inferior to true ATGs like Donald, Steyn, Wasim and even Waqar. That average don't do true justice to his test exploits.

Starc has currently 250 test wickets and Cummins has slightly lesser than 150. If Cummins end with about 125 or even 100+ test wickets more than Starc which means if he retires with about 475 or more test wickets at 21-22, he will definitely be regarded a GOAT or among top 5 fast bowlers of all-time. But that is a long way to go.

In a similar manner, if Cummins or say, Bumrah ends with 200-220 test wickets at 21-22, he can be called an ATG but can never be regarded as GOAT. You have to take 400 test wickets or more in modern era to be considered a GOAT.
 
He is GOAT World cup performer as well as GOAT ODI bowler.
Cummins, Steyn, Johnson, Rabada, Amir, Shami, Bhuvi, Bumrah, Boult all are inferior to Starc in ODI.

My 1st non Pakistani favorite player.

bumrah is not Inferior to anyone in any format. He is the best by far when he is in form which he will be in as soon as he is properly healed.

I would never pick starc over bumrah in odi either even though starc is one of the greatest odi players ever.

I am being objective and honestly I have never seen a player bowl like bumrah since bond when he is at his peak form. He is just relentless.
 
Interesting comparison but there is a difference of about 125 wickets on both side.

Marshall ended with 376 wickets while Garner ended with about 250 wickets. Garner may average 20 in tests but clearly he was inferior to true ATGs like Donald, Steyn, Wasim and even Waqar. That average don't do true justice to his test exploits.

Starc has currently 250 test wickets and Cummins has slightly lesser than 150. If Cummins end with about 125 or even 100+ test wickets more than Starc which means if he retires with about 475 or more test wickets at 21-22, he will definitely be regarded a GOAT or among top 5 fast bowlers of all-time. But that is a long way to go.

In a similar manner, if Cummins or say, Bumrah ends with 200-220 test wickets at 21-22, he can be called an ATG but can never be regarded as GOAT. You have to take 400 test wickets or more in modern era to be considered a GOAT.

Why does aggregate matter so much. Starc and Garner have significant wickets taken anyway, but anyone who watches Starc and Cummins knows that they are not in the same ballpark. Why is Garner not with those players. WI played fewer tests back then than modern players do, and his statistics are just so much better. Remember that Garner has basically the best average of any modern player, and was fantastic against everyone. In what way is his average 'inflated' and better than it should be. I mean he even achieved that bowling without the new ball. Garner is hugely underrated, and is every bit as good as the true ATG's you mentioned. Better than Wasim/Waqar/Donald for me

Just out of interest, would you say Cummins or Starc is a better bowler.
Your rating methods seem hugely biased against players who through circumstance did not play as much test cricket, which is a major problem given globalisation over the past 50 years
 
Why does aggregate matter so much. Starc and Garner have significant wickets taken anyway, but anyone who watches Starc and Cummins knows that they are not in the same ballpark. Why is Garner not with those players. WI played fewer tests back then than modern players do, and his statistics are just so much better. Remember that Garner has basically the best average of any modern player, and was fantastic against everyone. In what way is his average 'inflated' and better than it should be. I mean he even achieved that bowling without the new ball. Garner is hugely underrated, and is every bit as good as the true ATG's you mentioned. Better than Wasim/Waqar/Donald for me

Just out of interest, would you say Cummins or Starc is a better bowler.
Your rating methods seem hugely biased against players who through circumstance did not play as much test cricket, which is a major problem given globalisation over the past 50 years

I am not comparing across eras because that comparison eventually becomes futile. I compared the aggregate test wickets of Garner to Marshall and of Starc to Cummins. That is being relative to their own era. This is why Anderson (600 wickets) will always remain a superior bowler to say, Philander(200 odd wickets).

Garner was a support bowler who had the advantage of playing in a very strong team for most part of his career which is why he can't be rated as high as the Steyn's, Marshall's, Imran's and McGrath's. He was clearly not as good as them in test cricket which is visible by the fact that he had taken only 7 5-fers in 58 tests compared to almost twice the number of 5-fers taken by Starc in one test lesser and latter is still not over yet.

To me, Garner and Holding as a test bowler is at same level to another Windies legend, Andy Roberts and they are inferior to Marshall, Ambrose, McGrath, Steyn, Donald, WWI(for Pakistan), probably at same level as Shaun Pollock.

Garner though was a GOAT ODI bowler, much like Starc. Coming to that question, Cummins is superior to both of them and not just Starc but he will have to do it for 7-8 years more and end with 300+ test wickets. To become as good as McGrath or Steyn, he will have to take atleast 400 wickets and also other factors will come in because then comparison will be with absolute GOATs.
 
Starc belongs in the same tier as mohammed shami in tests.Nothing more.
Garner is probably the second or third greatest Windies bowler of all time, there's no comparison.
 
I am not comparing across eras because that comparison eventually becomes futile. I compared the aggregate test wickets of Garner to Marshall and of Starc to Cummins. That is being relative to their own era. This is why Anderson (600 wickets) will always remain a superior bowler to say, Philander(200 odd wickets).

Garner was a support bowler who had the advantage of playing in a very strong team for most part of his career which is why he can't be rated as high as the Steyn's, Marshall's, Imran's and McGrath's. He was clearly not as good as them in test cricket which is visible by the fact that he had taken only 7 5-fers in 58 tests compared to almost twice the number of 5-fers taken by Starc in one test lesser and latter is still not over yet.

To me, Garner and Holding as a test bowler is at same level to another Windies legend, Andy Roberts and they are inferior to Marshall, Ambrose, McGrath, Steyn, Donald, WWI(for Pakistan), probably at same level as Shaun Pollock.

Garner though was a GOAT ODI bowler, much like Starc. Coming to that question, Cummins is superior to both of them and not just Starc but he will have to do it for 7-8 years more and end with 300+ test wickets. To become as good as McGrath or Steyn, he will have to take atleast 400 wickets and also other factors will come in because then comparison will be with absolute GOATs.

Cummins is early in his career, compare Starc to someone like Steyn for a better comparison

Marshall played in a very strong team, so did McGrath and Steyn. He didn't take as many fivefers, but had a very high proportion of top order wickets and took alot of fourfers, so this is a bit irrelevant. Five fers is not the only stat, and average, strike rate, economy, performances across conditions is very important, and this is where Garner is shown to be better than the FTB Starc. Garner's fivefers is also depressed because of the strong team and high competition, which impacts WPM much more than average/strike rate

Starc has lost Australia test matches as he is exceedingly wayward, yes he is good when he gets it right but against good batting that is a rarity - see vs Ind in 2018-19
Also, the fact that you see Pollock = Starc shows your stupidity
 
Cummins is early in his career, compare Starc to someone like Steyn for a better comparison

Marshall played in a very strong team, so did McGrath and Steyn. He didn't take as many fivefers, but had a very high proportion of top order wickets and took alot of fourfers, so this is a bit irrelevant. Five fers is not the only stat, and average, strike rate, economy, performances across conditions is very important, and this is where Garner is shown to be better than the FTB Starc. Garner's fivefers is also depressed because of the strong team and high competition, which impacts WPM much more than average/strike rate

Starc has lost Australia test matches as he is exceedingly wayward, yes he is good when he gets it right but against good batting that is a rarity - see vs Ind in 2018-19
Also, the fact that you see Pollock = Starc shows your stupidity

You are only making my claim stronger here by calling Starc a 'FTB'. Garner never played on flat subcontinent wickets, bowled to batters without helmets, bigger boundaries and great support at other end, the fact that Starc has 13 fi-fers in 57 tests tells us that he can lead an attack and run through sides with ease while Garner had only 7 fi-fers in 58 tests. As a leader of attack, he went for some extra runs because his job was to take wickets.

As I said in my first post, GOAT in ODIs and great in tests, does the job on flat wickets unlike his old opening partner, who fluked a 6-fer in India even though he looked the most atrocious bowler in that series.
 
The dots

Australia fast bowler Mitchell Starc played a key role in his team’s win over Sri Lanka in Dubai in the Super 12s match with a spell of 4-0-27-2. Of his 24 balls, 11 were dots. He is the only man from a Test playing nation who has a dot balls percentage of 50 in his T20I career.

The Australian speedster has bowled 972 deliveries in T20Is, 486 of which have been dots giving him a dot balls percentage of exactly 50.00%. Among the bowlers who have bowled at least 500 balls in men’s T20Is, the next highest percentage of dots is by India’s Bhuvneshwar Kumar (48.33) followed by the West Indies leg-spinner Samuel Badree (47.99).
 
Think he would like to forget this ball!

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Australia paceman Mitchell Starc is hopeful of playing at least some part in the One-Day International series against Sri Lanka after having stitches removed from a badly cut finger.

The left-armer tore open the index finger on his bowling hand on a shoe spike during his follow-through in the T20 series-opener against the Sri Lankans. He has been bowling in the nets but unable to feature in the matches due to a rule banning taping on bowlers’ fingers.

Starc said it was frustrating feeling fit while sidelined.

“There’s still a fair bit of glue still in the wound. That will start to dissolve a bit more in the next couple of days,” he told reporters.

“Once we get to Colombo we'll have a look at it again and see where it's at. It's just a matter of where the wound is at, and obviously with one eye on the Test series as well and not compromising that. If it's game three, four, or five (that I play), I'm not sure yet.”

The five-match ODI series is locked at 1-1 after Sri Lanka won the rain-hit second match by 26 runs in Pallekele on Thursday.

Australia has been hit with injuries on the tour and Steve Smith caused another scare when he appeared to pull up sore while running between wickets. He had his left thigh taped and continued batting, though, and will be monitored over the next few days.

“I don't know how sore he is,” Starc said.

“After he got the strapping he played a pretty nice drive through midwicket, so I'm sure he'll be fine to play the next game.”

The third ODI is in Colombo on Sunday.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...eries-sri-lanka-australia/article38503546.ece
 
if he even has a decent World Cup, he will retire as the GOAT of ODI World Cup bowlers
 
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Leading wicket taker in the 2015 & 2019 50 over World Cups. Hatrick to start in the 2023 warm-ups. It looks like history may repeat itself
 
He really is a big tournament player. Whenever an ICC event comes, his performance seems to be improved considerably.
 
He's a legendary ODI bowler. I hope Shaheen can replicate his performances and be a similar big match bowler.
 
Lot of left arm seamers in that list. Coincidence may be they trouble the most. Even though Starc has a history, most inform opening bowler oflate has been Trent Boult. In almost all the leagues he is doing the damage upfront. He has improved his death bowling too. My money is on him.
 
Hard to argue against him if he hasn't another good performance ar rhe world cup. He has won 2 world cups already one odi and one t20
 
Starch is already a world cup great irrespective of what happens this WC. He just killed the final as a contest in 2015 final bowling out Mccullum.
 
He's a legendary ODI bowler. I hope Shaheen can replicate his performances and be a similar big match bowler.
Legendary lol? He's the GOAT bowler.

I know Pakistanis don't want to admit it because of Wasim and Waqar but there's little doubt. His record in this era of flat pitches, small boundaries, top tier bat tech and his performances in WCs makes it clear.
 
Starch is already a world cup great irrespective of what happens this WC. He just killed the final as a contest in 2015 final bowling out Mccullum.
Why are people underselling Starc here? He's the GOAT WC bowler. No one better.
 
if he even has a decent World Cup, he will retire as the GOAT of ODI World Cup bowlers
Already there. Never a bowler who has performed like Starc at two WCs. Not one. His record speaks for itself.
 
Not only the GOAT WC bowler. He's the ODI GOAT. Bigger all timer than Kohli and Babar who sub continent fans champion so much.

I've seen this Starc wreak havoc against us in WCs and kill us in the first over of a WC Final.
 
Already there. Never a bowler who has performed like Starc at two WCs. Not one. His record speaks for itself.
He's a beast in WCs. Already a GOAT. And his yorkee to stokes in 2019. Stokes just stood and admired and gave up . Plus the iconic Mccullum dismissal the roar at mcg that day was something else
 
Legendary lol? He's the GOAT bowler.

I know Pakistanis don't want to admit it because of Wasim and Waqar but there's little doubt. His record in this era of flat pitches, small boundaries, top tier bat tech and his performances in WCs makes it clear.

Not only the GOAT WC bowler. He's the ODI GOAT. Bigger all timer than Kohli and Babar who sub continent fans champion so much.

I've seen this Starc wreak havoc against us in WCs and kill us in the first over of a WC Final.
Lmao, easy with your fangirling. WC GOAT, yes obviously. ODI GOAT? Not yet.
 
Lmao, easy with your fangirling. WC GOAT, yes obviously. ODI GOAT? Not yet.
What else is there for him lmao.

WC record - check
Average - check
Strike rate - check
5fers - check
 
What else is there for him lmao.

WC record - check
Average - check
Strike rate - check
5fers - check

He needs to do it against Bobby before he can be called ATG.
 
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Mitchell Starc is a phenomenal bowler and a great asset for Australia. Will he be the top wicket-taker in this year's World Cup again?
 
Starc is definitely the GOAT world cup bowler and probably amongst top 3 odi bowler ever.

Garner
Mcgrath
Starc

These guys will make up my top 3
 
also look at Shami’s record there, that guy is seriously underrated, he was benched for Bhuvi lumar in the semis
 
also look at Shami’s record there, that guy is seriously underrated, he was benched for Bhuvi lumar in the semis
Shami is way underrated. He is a matc winner and can get you wickets. Cant believe they picked trundles before him. He saved India embarrassment in 2019 WC against Afghanistan after tuk tuk dhoni batting. Same against England- restricted them or else Eng would have got 375 plus in that match. Plus he's a decent batsman too. Bumrah sirah shami should be the first names on the team sheet.
 
What else is there for him lmao.

WC record - check
Average - check
Strike rate - check
5fers - check
He doesn't even have 250 ODI wickets. You really didn't know this?
 
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It looks like he can get to the #1 spot after this World Cup if he continues his form
 
Took him literally half the deliveries than Wasim to take 50
World Cup wickets.

He’s the World Cup bowling GOAT
 
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