Mitchell Starc vs Trent Boult - Comparison & Performance Watch

[Swanny]

All righty folks lets keep a track on these two superb young left arm pacers.

These two have already set the world cup alight with their performances in the warm ups & their respective opening games.

These two form an integral part of the bowling attacks of their countries.

They will be playing in their respective backyards during this wc.

Who has impressed you the most & has the greater ceiling ?

 

[#GreenRoars]

Starc,
what a bowler he iss,
pace swing , he is a complete package who can swing bat down the order

 

[Electron]

Starc is way better.

 

[Mamoon]

Boult is better, but Starc is very good too.

Two best young pacers in the game.

 

[DrSchultz]

For tests I'll pick Boult and ODIs Starc. Starc is faster and more accurate but Boult has more skills w.r.t swing and seam.

 

[Grunge101]

Starc is definitely quicker and gets more bounce as well although Boult appears to have more skill in his sleeves.

I rate them both highly...though still a rung below Pattinson on the ladder.

 

[leatherface58]

Both are different kinds of bowlers.

Starc - Has a wicked inswinger to the right handers. He is an excellent fielder and can bat very well too. One of the better ODI and T20 bowlers in recent times. Hasn't got going in tests. Way too inconsistent with a boundary ball almost every over. However, Starc has the potential to take three-four wickets in a spell despite a poor spell earlier on. One of the few bowlers today to execute a perfect yorker.

Boult - Hasn't got going in ODIs though he is slowly finding his groove. Bowled an absolute stunner to Thirimanne today. Is a very good fielder but his batting, despite showing some ability earlier on, has taken a backseat. In tests, Boult is way ahead. His ability of finding reverse swing in subcontinental tracks is highly underrated and he uses the round the wicket angle to the RHB very well. Not as potentially explosive as Starc but way more consistent.

Starc is pacier than Boult though both go over the 140 mark consistently. Boult relies more on swing than Starc but both have the ability to take the pitch out of the equation.

Ultimately, as a cricketer, Starc is ahead in ODIs and Boult in tests. As a cricketer, Starc is ahead due to his batting but Boult might eventually prove to be the better bowler.

 

[Swanny]

BUMP

Haha what a performance by these two youngsters. Absolutely stole the limelight & gave us one heck of a match to cherish.

Move aside southee, johnson these two are now the leaders of the pack.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Junaid Khan is better.

Too bad he isn't playing or he would have created havoc on these wickets.

 

[ahanank]

Junaid Khan is better.

Too bad he isn't playing or he would have created havoc on these wickets.

Swing at 145+ ?
The only bowler we have who has pace would be Wahab, and he doesn't even know the mere concept of swing or seam.

 

[Swanny]

This is the fastest i have seen boult bowl. Brought the never ending aussie batting line up down on its knee. Absolutely killed it with his second spell & took 5 wkts for one run.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Both are brilliant bowlers. Starc's yorkers were a treat to watch. What a match

 

[zabalestmsm]

Starc is the best ODI bowler currently in the world! He is ahead of Boult in ODIs! Even better than Steyn in ODIs!

 

[pacesensation]

Starc is the best ODI bowler currently in the world! He is ahead of Boult in ODIs! Even better than Steyn in ODIs!

except against pakistan steyn is pretty average in odis

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

Junaid Khan is better.

Too bad he isn't playing or he would have created havoc on these wickets.

Bowling gun straight at 135-140 makes him better

 

[Ab Fan]

Starc

 

[Ab Fan]

Starc is a GOAT potential in ODIs but in tests, he lacks accuracy and is way too one-dimensional.

Boult is vying for ATG spot in ODIs but in tests he is only proficient when conditions suits him.

Overall, Starc because of ODIs.

 

[sweep_shot]

Starc is miles ahead. Not much of a comparison really.

 

[Junaids]

With a white ball, Starc is superior but with a red ball he doesn't even compete against Trent Boult, he's unable to emerge as better than Neil Wagner!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-become-a-better-Test-bowler-than-Neil-Wagner

Starc: 244 Test wickets in 57 Tests at 27.00
Wagner: 206 wickets in 48 Tests at 26.60

Starc is already the wrong side of 30. He had the height, the pace, the swing, the lift.

Unfortunately Starc is underpowered in terms of intelligence, and he has never worked out how to bowl with a red ball. He's actually lucky he's played so many pink ball tests.

 

[MMHS]

With a white ball, Starc is superior but with a red ball he doesn't even compete against Trent Boult, he's unable to emerge as better than Neil Wagner!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-become-a-better-Test-bowler-than-Neil-Wagner

Starc: 244 Test wickets in 57 Tests at 27.00
Wagner: 206 wickets in 48 Tests at 26.60

Starc is already the wrong side of 30. He had the height, the pace, the swing, the lift.

Unfortunately Starc is underpowered in terms of intelligence, and he has never worked out how to bowl with a red ball. He's actually lucky he's played so many pink ball tests.

Definitely lucky - both ways. First to play 7 D/N Tests and then taking 42 wickets at 19 with a SR of 35 and 3 5fors - that has boosted his career stats considerably.

 

[therealAB]

Agree with analysis. Starc could well retire as the ODI GOAT, but he has disappointed in tests big time

 

[Junaids]

Definitely lucky - both ways. First to play 7 D/N Tests and then taking 42 wickets at 19 with a SR of 35 and 3 5fors - that has boosted his career stats considerably.

Compare the following stats for Mitchell Starc's Test career:

Overall Test record: 244 wickets at 27.00
Day red-ball record overall: 202 wickets at 28.58
Day red ball record in the two years culminating in Sandpapergate: 70 wickets at 26.68
Day red ball record in the "clean" period before and after: 132 wickets at 29.60
Pink ball record: 42 wickets at 19.23

It's a pretty mediocre record except for the periods in which the ball was doctored and except for the pink ball under lights.

 

[Junaids]

Compare the following stats for Mitchell Starc's Test career:

Overall Test record: 244 wickets at 27.00
Day red-ball record overall: 202 wickets at 28.58
Day red ball record in the two years culminating in Sandpapergate: 70 wickets at 26.68
Day red ball record in the "clean" period before and after: 132 wickets at 29.60
Pink ball record: 42 wickets at 19.23

It's a pretty mediocre record except for the periods in which the ball was doctored and except for the pink ball under lights.

I actually stand by my comments straight after the Australia v Pakistan series in 2016-17: the Test performances of Mitchell Starc and Wahab Riaz were essentially identical.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...d-Wahab-Riaz-posted-identical-figures-Explain!

I think that Starc had the natural talent to be an ATG bowler with every colour of ball.

But because his diet of bouncer/Yorker/bouncer/Yorker works with the pink ball and the white ball, he has never learned the right line and length to bowl with a red ball.

And so with a red ball he is barely superior - if at all - to Wahab Riaz.

 

[MMHS]

I actually stand by my comments straight after the Australia v Pakistan series in 2016-17: the Test performances of Mitchell Starc and Wahab Riaz were essentially identical.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...d-Wahab-Riaz-posted-identical-figures-Explain!

I think that Starc had the natural talent to be an ATG bowler with every colour of ball.

But because his diet of bouncer/Yorker/bouncer/Yorker works with the pink ball and the white ball, he has never learned the right line and length to bowl with a red ball.

And so with a red ball he is barely superior - if at all - to Wahab Riaz.

I think, you had your answers from most posters in that thread itself. If you really think that one bowler with stats of

57 244 6/50 11/94 26.97 3.36 48.1 12 13 2

is barely superior to

27 83 5/63 7/134 34.50 3.42 60.4 3 2 0

I can't help much.


And I am not sure, the data that you shared - before and after "doctored" ball, what it has in it for him to be lucky in playing 7 D/N Tests, where he averages 19 with a SR of 35 & 6 wickets/Test, including 3 5fors in 13 Innings.

 

[Savak]

Starc has a sandpapered test career

 

[Ab Fan]

I actually stand by my comments straight after the Australia v Pakistan series in 2016-17: the Test performances of Mitchell Starc and Wahab Riaz were essentially identical.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...d-Wahab-Riaz-posted-identical-figures-Explain!

I think that Starc had the natural talent to be an ATG bowler with every colour of ball.

But because his diet of bouncer/Yorker/bouncer/Yorker works with the pink ball and the white ball, he has never learned the right line and length to bowl with a red ball.

And so with a red ball he is barely superior - if at all - to Wahab Riaz.

Don't forget that this is a comparison thread between Mitchell Starc and Trent Boult.

Starc 244 wickets average 27.0
Boult 267 wickets average 27.6

 

[Junaids]

I think, you had your answers from most posters in that thread itself. If you really think that one bowler with stats of

57 244 6/50 11/94 26.97 3.36 48.1 12 13 2

is barely superior to

27 83 5/63 7/134 34.50 3.42 60.4 3 2 0

I can't help much.


And I am not sure, the data that you shared - before and after "doctored" ball, what it has in it for him to be lucky in playing 7 D/N Tests, where he averages 19 with a SR of 35 & 6 wickets/Test, including 3 5fors in 13 Innings.

And yet when Wahab Riaz and Mitchell Starc played 3 Tests against one another, on the same surfaces with the same type of ball, the differences between them narrowed right down!

 

[MMHS]

And yet when Wahab Riaz and Mitchell Starc played 3 Tests against one another, on the same surfaces with the same type of ball, the differences between them narrowed right down!

What a logic - you got me here. By that same note, I have to say there is quite a big gap between Venkatesh Prasad & the two Ws - in 1998-9 series, VP averaged around, on same surface with same type of ball, Wasim averaged 23. Waquar 38 .......!!!!!!!

 

[Ab Fan]

As a test bowler, Boult is at same level at Starc but latter is a better batsmen.

In white ball cricket, Boult is good but Starc is basically on the verge of achieving ODI GOAT status.

I will put Mohammad Shami and Josh Hazelwood in the same league as the other two in tests but Hazelwood is nowhere close to the other three in ODI cricket.

Rabada, Bumrah, Cummins are from different age groups so let's keep them seperate.

 

[MMHS]

What a logic - you got me here. By that same note, I have to say there is quite a big gap between Venkatesh Prasad & the two Ws - in 1998-9 series, VP averaged around, on same surface with same type of ball, Wasim averaged 23. Waquar 38 .......!!!!!!!

Opss! I tried to dramatize the figure - missed all together It's 15.25 - yes, wickets at 15.25, with a 6 for.

 

[therealAB]

As a test bowler, Boult is at same level at Starc but latter is a better batsmen.

In white ball cricket, Boult is good but Starc is basically on the verge of achieving ODI GOAT status.

I will put Mohammad Shami and Josh Hazelwood in the same league as the other two in tests but Hazelwood is nowhere close to the other three in ODI cricket.

Rabada, Bumrah, Cummins are from different age groups so let's keep them seperate.

Hazlewood >>> Starc in test cricket

 

[Ab Fan]

Hazlewood >>> Starc in test cricket

He barely makes it to Australian test side, was struggling with his form and then came after being dropped from team and had one excellent series in England.

He maybe more effective for non Asian conditions but hardly looks like any threat in Asia.

 

[therealAB]

He barely makes it to Australian test side, was struggling with his form and then came after being dropped from team and had one excellent series in England.

He maybe more effective for non Asian conditions but hardly looks like any threat in Asia.

Starc played one ashes test and was average. Hazelwood was the 2nd best bowler from either side, and was close to Cummins. Hazlewood also has a better average in Ind, the best Asian country and while he has now bowled in Pakistan it is highly likely that his average would be better than Starc's 53.

In SL, Starc has been brilliant, but this has been the only country where he has been significantly better.
In SA Starc has a better average, but was helped in the 1st test of the 2018 series by the tampered ball. After this test Hazlewood was significantly better.

In England, WI, Aus, Ind Hazlewood is just better, and is more reliable as well, unlike Starc who often gets smashed and is a total liability.
Hazlewood also has higher % of top order wickets, which is key as it means he is getting the best oppostion batsmen out. This is one of the most important things for a fast bowler, and it what separates McGrath from Wasim for example. Being good against the tail is important, but it is infinitely more important to be able to make early incisions

 

[Hasan123]

Starc is better than Boult. Not even a debate.