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I cant find any official newspaper quoting this. Is this authentic?
Wait [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] how is this possible, I thought there were sazishs going on everywhere?
news link https://www.dawn.com/news/1396614
and the press conf pic of these deobandi, ahl e hadees, shia, bralevi and other sects party leaders sitting together (forgetting about all those fatwas)
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When will the jamaatis learn![]()
Fazlu is made head of the MMA. I am unable to understand whats going inside Siraj head his stupid policies are destroying JIs votebank.
Siraj has gotta be the dumbest guy i have seen in recent politics. Since he became ameer, i am unable to find out what is it he actually wants & on whose side he is. One moment he is favor of wefaq, the second day he sides with the opposition only to deflect back to the wefaq on third day. I mean his statements & actions are so confusing
In KP he is with PTI, in AJK he is with Noon, in Sindh he is PPP, in recent senate elections he voted for PMLN not to forget he himself is senator based on PTI votes and went to court in Panama case against Nawaz![]()
Do you remember his ping pong behavior in dharna of 2014 when he first became ameer.
One day he would be sitting with imran khan saying k "Wefaq ko muzakiraat krne chaiye aur opposition ki bt ko respect deni chahiye" & the next day he would be with shehbaz saying" Jamhooriat sbse bala tar he aur opposition ko sitting prime minister ka ehteram krna chahiye"![]()
and the press conf pic of these deobandi, ahl e hadees, shia, bralevi and other sects party leaders sitting together (forgetting about all those fatwas)
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Those who issue fatwas that PTI included Talibani agenda in education (for changing "Quaid e Azam was secular to competent lawyer) will get PERFECT group of people to lead them towards greatness![]()
Yep. Actually true. Of the four provinces, three are reforming school curriculum to move away from Zia's legacy. The one that led that charge is now the only one going back to the Zia era.Yeah tons of evidence in which PTI introduced 50 new ways to cut throat and "How to be cool like Talibans" right?
Clearly. This affliction is extremely common in Pakistan, be it the people focusing on Kashmir/Syria instead of atrocities at home or self appointed crusaders against corruption conveniently ignoring the corrupt and illegal of the most corrupt entity in the country bar none because said entity supports their guy.You see what you want to see and focus on points that suit your agenda.
Off course you see this. It's all budget and numbers, and this being PP aka PTI central, I saw countless political threads come and go waiting for someone to jump on the fiasco that was KPK's own RTI law exposing their education department's fudging of numbers but a whole year passed and not so much as a mention of that. What I see is a provincial government that has increased coverage but at the same time compromised so hard on the quality of education that the increased coverage means more kids indoctrinated by the Zia era curriculum. All I see is focus on this increased coverage but what I don't see is any mention of policy failures or shortcomings. When all news is positive, it's not hard to figure out that someone somewhere is lying his rear end off to conceal the uglier side of the government's policies.I see this:
Out of school kids in 2013
Balochistan 78%
KPK = 65%
Sindh = 61%
Punjab = 50%
Out of school kids in 2017
Balochistan = 70%
Sindh = 56%
Punjab = 44%
KPK = 36%
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Check which cities rank in top 20 in infrastructure improvement in whole Pakistan, KPK takes almost all positions.
This shows you focus, huge increase in education budget and it is already paying off. Long way to go where they want to be but education was NEVER going to be an overnight thing. Steps like this alongwith madrassah reforms, control of hate speeches by imams and providing them monthly payments etc will make REAL difference.
Yep. Actually true. Of the four provinces, three are reforming school curriculum to move away from Zia's legacy. The one that led that charge is now the only one going back to the Zia era.
Clearly. This affliction is extremely common in Pakistan, be it the people focusing on Kashmir/Syria instead of atrocities at home or self appointed crusaders against corruption conveniently ignoring the corrupt and illegal of the most corrupt entity in the country bar none because said entity supports their guy.
Off course you see this. It's all budget and numbers, and this being PP aka PTI central, I saw countless political threads come and go waiting for someone to jump on the fiasco that was KPK's own RTI law exposing their education department's fudging of numbers but a whole year passed and not so much as a mention of that. What I see is a provincial government that has increased coverage but at the same time compromised so hard on the quality of education that the increased coverage means more kids indoctrinated by the Zia era curriculum. All I see is focus on this increased coverage but what I don't see is any mention of policy failures or shortcomings. When all news is positive, it's not hard to figure out that someone somewhere is lying his rear end off to conceal the uglier side of the government's policies.
Unlike PTI supporters, or supporters of any other party, I have no problem accepting facts even if they don't conform to my viewpoint. I have never disputed the increased spending on education and the resulting increase in coverage. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly denied the Zia-ization of KPK's curriculum by the PTI-JI alliance, a fact as indisputable as the increased coverage.I referred to Alif Ailaan but forgot to post the link so no i am not posting this from PTI propaganda sites
https://elections.alifailaan.pk/rankings/
Of course these don't suit you so you won't believe me or bother to comment on these because it goes against your faith that PTI is worst thing that happened to KPK/Pakistan.
Off course it's hate filled. You expect me to shower the people raising another Zia generation in my province with love?And before you call others dishonest, look at your hate filled arrogant attitude.
I've done my fair share of commenting on Punjab/Sindh/Balochistan/Federal government's transgressions so please don't put me in the same camp as yourself, Syed1 or Waleed88, whose outrage is selective and directed at everyone except their own party. Unlike you or the others, I don't have a horse in this race. The only constant is my disdain for the army, and anyone supporting them. Beyond that, my love for any political party is comparable to that for any other party. I don't play this game that you guys do where hamara kutta tommy aur unka kutta kutta.If you are not dishonest yourself then did you comment on this:
Punjab bans dancing at school events
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1657421/1-punjab-bans-dancing-school-events/
Feel free to go back any number of years and find where I defended, much less supported, Nawaz, or any other political party in Pakistan. Off course I'll target PTI because while Nawaz etc. are filth and are known as such, PTI is filth that is being presented to us as gold, and it's ironic you bring up the son of Nawaz considering the son of Hamid Gul runs your party (do read up on the early years of that party when you have the time). I have consistently refused, and still refuse, to play this game you PTI guys play where any criticism of PTI has to be qualified by an equivalent amount of criticism for whoever your favorite punching bag happens to be at the time or we're not neutral. The hell with that, since when does a PTI wala acknowledging someone's neutrality mean anything, considering this is by far the most disingenuous and dishonest support base of any political party in Pakistan. I don't see you qualifying your criticism of Zardari/Nawaz/*insert politician not associated with PTI/JI here* with an equivalent degree of criticism for PTI. Instead, I see them defend the indefensible - things which, if done by any other party, would flood the Time Pass forum with angry youthiya posts for weeks. I'll criticize anyone I feel like criticizing, thank you very much.If you only target one party blaming them for even Zia's mistakes ignoring real son of Zia Nawaz Sharif then you are dishonest yourself. if you want to act neutral then show m number times you post similar stuff for other parties.
^^ This is the problem with EXTREMIST mindset, they just can't tolerate difference of opinion, while calling other names maybe better to look at yourself as well.
While those mullahs issue fatwas for minor difference of opinion, other side isn't much tolerant either. Same FATWA mindset with name calling and labelling.
You are either a mullah or a kafir.
You are either secular and liberal or religious extremist.
If anyone ignores this AMAZING performance in education sector reported by "Alif Ailaan" not PTI social media then easy to say they are biased and hateful.
Out of school kids in 2013 vs 2017.
Balochistan 78% vs 70%
KPK = 65% vs 36%
Sindh = 61% vs 56%
Punjab = 50% vs 44%
This is 1000 times more important then lame issues like "whether Quaid e Azam was secular or competent lawyer".
Dude are you really labelling a difference of opinion as extremist mindset? It shows you being disingenuous and doesn't do your arguments any favour. Learn to debate without getting your knickers in a twist^^ This is the problem with EXTREMIST mindset, they just can't tolerate difference of opinion, while calling other names maybe better to look at yourself as well.
While those mullahs issue fatwas for minor difference of opinion, other side isn't much tolerant either. Same FATWA mindset with name calling and labelling.
You are either a mullah or a kafir.
You are either secular and liberal or religious extremist.
More lies. Majority of Pakistanis are not being crushed between these two extremes, they're crushed by Islamic extremism which a majority of them, especially people like you, support and therefore deserve. Liberal extremism is a strawman dishonest conservatives such as yourself have made up to justify your own brand of extremism by presenting it as a counterpoint o the strawman you created. There are hardly any liberals in Pakistan to begin with.Some of these liberals are as extreme as mullahs. Majority of pakistanis are are being crushed between these 2 extreme mindsets and those pakistanis have nothing to do with mullahism or liberalism they just want to live their life in peace without promoting any certain agenda.
You post something like this and then you complain when words like dishonest are thrown about? Are you seriously equating liberals with religious extremists? Are you completely unaware of the differences between the two groups, religious extremists and liberals (or as you and the other PTI walas incorrectly call them, secular/liberal extremists)? Talk about this when liberals have killed even 80 people, in Pakistan much less the 80'000 odd killed by Islamists.
Liberals are a beleagured minority in Pakistan that probably makes up less than one percent of the population in a country where religious extremism is the rule rather than the exception. Liberals are doing well just to exist, much less be extremist. Extremism is a luxury that is afforded only to those who're part of the majority because even a sizable minority, never mind one as tiny as liberals in Pakistan, engaging in extremism would result in some pretty severe repercussions. The only extremism that exists in Pakistan is the Islamic variety and I reject out of hand any notion of something like liberal/secular extremism even existing in Pakistan, much less being something of consequence.
More lies. Majority of Pakistanis are not being crushed between these two extremes, they're crushed by Islamic extremism which a majority of them, especially people like you, support and therefore deserve. Liberal extremism is a strawman dishonest conservatives such as yourself have made up to justify your own brand of extremism by presenting it as a counterpoint o the strawman you created. There are hardly any liberals in Pakistan to begin with.
Some of these liberals are as extreme as mullahs. Majority of pakistanis are are being crushed between these 2 extreme mindsets and those pakistanis have nothing to do with mullahism or liberalism they just want to live their life in peace without promoting any certain agenda.
Funny thing is people like us get fatwas from both extremes, we aren't even Muslims for some people and others consider us extremists, THIS IS WHAT I CALL EXTREME MINDSET.
I have mentioned before how my debate about Mumtaz Qadri almost put me into massive trouble in a community event. I have had multiple heated arguments with people blindly defending blasphemy law and some with people calling Malala a "western agent" and then we come across other extreme who issue their own brand of liberal fatwas against us![]()
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">ایم ایم اے کے پیچھے کون؟ سازشی مفروضوں والوں کا ٹویٹ ابھی پوری طرح پوسٹ نہی ہوا تھا کہ اعلان ہوگیا، MMA اور نون لیگ مل کر الیکشن لڑے گیں</p>— Asad Munir (@asadmunir38) <a href="https://twitter.com/asadmunir38/status/977178436669202432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">فضل الرحمان کا بہت مدت سے پلان کہ وہ نون کے ساتھ مل کر الیکشن میں 36 سے 40 سیٹیں جیت کر حکومت مولانا صاحب CM, فاٹا کے مرجر کی مخالفت کی وجہ</p>— Asad Munir (@asadmunir38) <a href="https://twitter.com/asadmunir38/status/977179482103734272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">فاٹا کی 17 PA کی سیٹس، فضل ارحمان کا ایک پلان،کہ وہ نون سے مل کر KP الیکشن جیت سکتا،فاٹا لگتا عمران کو ووٹ دے گی، اسلئے مرجر کی مخالفت</p>— Asad Munir (@asadmunir38) <a href="https://twitter.com/asadmunir38/status/977214382928203776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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- PMLN went against ALL parties on FATA merger to please Fazl ur Rehman.
- JI voted for PMLN candidate in Senate elections which was surprising but part of plan which is being uncovered now.
- I wouldn't be surprised if ANP also joins this alliance to stop PTI coming back again.
There is massive religious votebank in KPK so this alliance is surely biggest threat to PTI but i believe sooner or later this alliance will FAIL.
An (anti-MMA) electoral alliance is in making.
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Oh acha so Fazlu waali ab Halal Mullah alliance hai aur ye wali haram
I really hope PTI can win enough seats so they don't have to form alliance with this group.
MMA is a huge threat to PTI though, there is massive religious votebank which if combined can prove to be lethal but i also think eventually MMA will separate due to infighting of different groups.
An (anti-MMA) electoral alliance is in making.
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I think the man on the left is Sipah Sahaba leader. Then we have Falah-e-Insaaniyat founder on 3rd from right. It will very likely get banned if formed.
MMA to do seat adjustment with every party in KP including PPP, PMLN and ANP. Secular, Liberals and Mullahs on same bed![]()
Fazlu is a HALAL mullah, liberals consider him a democratic mullah so all his sins are overlooked.
I think the man on the left is Sipah Sahaba leader. Then we have Falah-e-Insaaniyat founder on 3rd from right. It will very likely get banned if formed.