MNAs Ali Wazir, Mohsin Dawar granted bail in Kharqamar attack case

[Abdullah719]

National Assembly Member (MNA) Mohsin Dawar and his supporters on Sunday allegedly opened fire at an Army checkpost in North Waziristan’s Miran Shah, Express News reported.

Five security personnel have also been reportedly injured.

Reports suggested that the disgruntled protesters first chanted slogans against the soldiers present at the check-post and then later opened fire.

On May 6, a first information report (FIR) was registered against members of Pashtun Tahafuz Movement’s (PTM) central committee including MNA Ali Wazir in North Waziristan.

The FIR was registered against Wazir and 11 other individuals for “enticing people to revolt against the state and for protesting and chanting slogans against state and security forces”.

District Police Officer (DPO) South Waziristan Kifayatullah registered the FIR based on an intelligence report.

Last week, the army signalled taking legal action against the leadership of PTM, stating that “those who are playing in others’ hands, their time is up”.

Speaking at a news conference in Rawalpindi, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor accused PTM of getting funds from Afghanistan’s secret agency, National Directorate of Security (NDS) and India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

“Those who playing in others hands, their time is up,” said Ghafoor.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/198072...iristan-attacked-mohsin-dawar-ptm-supporters/

 

[WebGuru]

PTM workers, security forces' clash leaves three dead, 15 injured in North Waziristan

MIRANSHAH: Pashtoon Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) mounted an armed attack on a security check-post in Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan.

Sources said a clash between PTM workers and security personnel ensued following the attack on the Boyya check-post near Datta Khel area.

The sources said several workers of the PTM have been taken into custody after the incident.

ISPR statement

A group of men led by Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar attacked a check-post in North Waziristan, leaving five military personnel injured, ISPR said on Sunday.

It said the aim of attacking the Kharqamar check-post was to exert pressure in order to get some suspected facilitators of terrorists released.

The ISPR said three attackers were killed and 10 others were injured.

According to the ISPR, eight people including Ali Wazir have been taken into custody while Mohsin Javed is at large after inciting the crowd.

"Troops at the check post exercised maximum restraint in the face of provocation and direct firing on the post," the army said.

"Due to firing of the group 5 Army soldiers got injured. In exchange of fire 3 individuals who attacked the post lost their lives and 10 got injured," the ISPR statement said.


Source: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...h-security-forces-in-north-waziristan-sources

 

[DRsohail]

saw different story on social media.

 

[King-Misbah]

Trial them in a military court and lock them up for life. Where are the PTM sympathisers? PTM should be declared a terrorist organisation. Enough is enough! [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] claimed last week that PTM were democratic; is this the democracy?

 

[Pakpak]

These scumbags are getting out of control. Isn't this Dawar guy was the one saying I am Afghan? Ship him off to Afghanistan.

 

[WebGuru]

These scumbags are getting out of control. Isn't this Dawar guy was the one saying I am Afghan? Ship him off to Afghanistan.

Yes he was the one.

He use to support Army Operation in FATA and Drone Attacks and now he talks against them what a joker. He used to call IK Taliban Khan for being against Army operation now what should we call Dawar?

 

[Mueez]

Hang these bloody Afghans.

Pakistan has suffered more than Afghanistan because of their terror.

 

[Pakpak]

Hang these bloody Afghans.

Pakistan has suffered more than Afghanistan because of their terror.

I would empty our coffers if we could change neighbors. India has always been at odds with us so whatever but Afghanistan is the biggest namak haram nation I have ever seen.

 

[King-Misbah]

MIRANSHAH: Pashtoon Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) mounted an armed attack on a security check-post in Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan.

Sources said a clash between PTM workers and security personnel ensued following the attack on the Boyya check-post near Datta Khel area.

The sources said several workers of the PTM have been taken into custody after the incident.

ISPR statement

A group of men led by Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar attacked a check-post in North Waziristan, leaving five military personnel injured, ISPR said on Sunday.

It said the aim of attacking the Kharqamar check-post was to exert pressure in order to get some suspected facilitators of terrorists released.

The ISPR said three attackers were killed and 10 others were injured.

According to the ISPR, eight people including Ali Wazir have been taken into custody while Mohsin Javed is at large after inciting the crowd.

"Troops at the check post exercised maximum restraint in the face of provocation and direct firing on the post," the army said.

"Due to firing of the group 5 Army soldiers got injured. In exchange of fire 3 individuals who attacked the post lost their lives and 10 got injured," the ISPR statement said.


Source: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...h-security-forces-in-north-waziristan-sources

Troops should have shown no restraints after the initial firing from PTM and dealt with all these traitors with brute force especially the PTM main leaders. Should have shown them hell.

 

[Mueez]

I would empty our coffers if we could change neighbors. India has always been at odds with us so whatever but Afghanistan is the biggest namak haram nation I have ever seen.

Absolutely even India isn’t as much dangerous as this snake nation.

They have forgotten how much Pakistan used to support them.

 

[WebGuru]

I am wondering why 'peaceful' PTM supporters were carrying guns?

 

[Pakpak]

Troops should have shown no restraints after the initial firing from PTM and dealt with all these traitors with brute force especially the PTM main leaders. Should have shown them hell.

I think this is all a planned tactic from them, their 'organisation' was dying out. Hence provoking the army and then claiming poor Pashtuns being gunned down would give them something to rally about. But yes, after all this I'd say ship them off Afghanistan. Rubble town which they seem to love.

 

[Mian]

Hang these bloody traitors we scarified thousands of our soldiers to clean this area and these thankless idiots blame army for their troubles created by uzbeks and other militants who were settled here?

 

[Mian]

I think this is all a planned tactic from them, their 'organisation' was dying out. Hence provoking the army and then claiming poor Pashtuns being gunned down would give them something to rally about. But yes, after all this I'd say ship them off Afghanistan. Rubble town which they seem to love.

Their Mother Teresa Gulalai Ismail is in trouble after FIR they wanted to divert media attention

 

[WebGuru]

Afghan social media accounts and news sites as usual coming forward to support PTM with fake pics propaganda but this is 2019 so they are getting exposed very quickly.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

PTM = Pashtun Terrorist Movement’s

 

[WebGuru]

I wonder why VOA and Afghan media gives PTM this much coverage?

 

[King-Misbah]

I wonder why VOA and Afghan media gives PTM this much coverage?

Because they are deep hurt about KPK being part of Pakistan and ordinary Pashtuns having loyalty towards Pakistan over Afghanistan.

 

[King-Misbah]

Where is [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] and the PP so called liberal brigade? Are they going to condemn this terrorism?

 

[Mian]

Where is [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] and the PP so called liberal brigade? Are they going to condemn this terrorism?

Busy in finding some material to give this event a whole new turn they will never show up until they find something

 

[WebGuru]

Where is [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] and the PP so called liberal brigade? Are they going to condemn this terrorism?

It's funny these PTM guys expect all Pakistani pashtuns to have soft corner for Afghanistan when even the real Afghan pashtuns don't wanna go back to that country.

 

[King-Misbah]

It's funny these PTM guys expect all Pakistani pashtuns to have soft corner for Afghanistan when even the real Afghan pashtuns don't wanna go back to that country.

Pakistani pashtuns who do not support Afghanistan are basically called traitors by Afghanis. Like come on; they are happy in Pakistan. Go and improve your own country.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Being a Pashtun, i can tell you guys these PTM people are traitors. They are loyal to Afghanistan and it's crystal clear.

 

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bilawal says PTM can't attack army posts.<br>If THIS is not an attack on a post, I wonder what is?<br>How about a 1000 of us go and tear down the Gari Khuda Bakhsh palaces just like this?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeStandWithPakArmy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeStandWithPakArmy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTMattackedArmyPost?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTMattackedArmyPost</a><a href="https://t.co/378yAwLeod">pic.twitter.com/378yAwLeod</a></p>— خانہ بدوش (@Wuzgar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Wuzgar/status/1132671878567464961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Lonewarrior]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bilawal says PTM can't attack army posts.<br>If THIS is not an attack on a post, I wonder what is?<br>How about a 1000 of us go and tear down the Gari Khuda Bakhsh palaces just like this?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeStandWithPakArmy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeStandWithPakArmy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTMattackedArmyPost?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTMattackedArmyPost</a><a href="https://t.co/378yAwLeod">pic.twitter.com/378yAwLeod</a></p>— خانہ بدوش (@Wuzgar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Wuzgar/status/1132671878567464961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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need one more FIR against this Billi..

 

[Hermoine Green]

Actually, Mohsin Dawar and supports opened direct fire at Army Checkpost, because some facilitators were being held there by Army.

PTM wanted to release those facilitators. Ali Wazir is arrested by while Mohsin uncle is hiding somewhere.

Mohsin fired up the crowd / supporters and then he ran away from the site of attack

In past i raised lots of questions regarding PTM, which were conveniently ignored by PTM followers here.

Btw, Bilawal thinks Mohsin Dawar is innocent

 

[Lonewarrior]

anyone who used guns against pak army is done for good ..

 

[Hermoine Green]

Pakistani pashtuns who do not support Afghanistan are basically called traitors by Afghanis. Like come on; they are happy in Pakistan. Go and improve your own country.

Because they are deep hurt about KPK being part of Pakistan and ordinary Pashtuns having loyalty towards Pakistan over Afghanistan.

I wonder why VOA and Afghan media gives PTM this much coverage?

One name : Qari Mohsin

 

[WebGuru]

Ali Wazir and Pastheen in my view are just pawns in this game. Dawar is the main guy

 

[Mian]

Bilawal and Maryam supporting these traitors because its an opportunity for them to settle score

 

[Mian]

Actually, Mohsin Dawar and supports opened direct fire at Army Checkpost, because some facilitators were being held there by Army.

PTM wanted to release those facilitators. Ali Wazir is arrested by while Mohsin uncle is hiding somewhere.

Mohsin fired up the crowd / supporters and then he ran away from the site of attack

In past i raised lots of questions regarding PTM, which were conveniently ignored by PTM followers here.

Btw, Bilawal thinks Mohsin Dawar is innocent

PTM followers run away whenever you ask the logical questions

 

[King-Misbah]

I hope going forward no restraint is shown by the army against PTM. These traitors like MQM will only behave when brute force is used. They are not representatives of the pashtun people so need to be dealt with aggression. Pakistan army is too nice sometimes.

 

[Pakpak]

99% of Pashtuns are proud Pakistanis, a massive segment of our army is Pashtun, our best countrymen and sporting figures are Pashtuns, even our PM has Pashtun links. Who are these imbeciles kidding?

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

I hope going forward no restraint is shown by the army against PTM. These traitors like MQM will only behave when brute force is used. They are not representatives of the pashtun people so need to be dealt with aggression. Pakistan army is too nice sometimes.

Agree, but why didnt Pakistani fauj arrested these guys so earlier like they did with MQMs people. Or they are given free hand bcz they are sons of soil.

 

[WebGuru]

99% of Pashtuns are proud Pakistanis, a massive segment of our army is Pashtun, our best countrymen and sporting figures are Pashtuns, even our PM has Pashtun links. Who are these imbeciles kidding?

Adding to your post our strongest civil president Ishaq Khan was also a pashtun and the strongest dictator Ayub was also a pashtun. We also had multiple pashtun Army Chiefs. In current goverment there are multiple pashtun ministers even our current NA speaker is Pashtun and so is the defense minister.

 

[WebGuru]

One name : Qari Mohsin

Can you translate this video of Ali Wazir?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پروپیگینڈا موومنٹ ٹی ٹی پی کا ہی دوسرا روپ ہے۔۔ <br>پہلے بھی اجڑی چڑیل(علی وزیر) نے یہ حرکت کی تھی اور آج بھی وہی حرکت دہرائی ہے۔ <br>ہر بار ان کی شرانگیزیوں کو نظر انداز نہیں کیا جا سکتا۔۔<br>یا ہم اس انتظار میں ہیں کہ بات فائرنگ سے بڑھ کر ہمارے فوجی جوانوں کے گلے کاٹنے تک پہنچے؟؟ <a href="https://t.co/FCqZp3FcB6">pic.twitter.com/FCqZp3FcB6</a></p>— حناء (@HinaKharaI) <a href="https://twitter.com/HinaKharaI/status/1132657702310694912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sirris]

I am against violence as a solution.

PTM leaders might be shady and deceitful personalities but that doesnt mean many who are impressed by them don't have genuine concerns.

Tere needs to be proper alternative and a platform given to people of FATA who over the years havee been effected by the militant's threat, countless army operations and drone strikes. A platform where they can express their concerns without censorship and ask for appropriate compensations and demands.

 

[WebGuru]

I am against violence as a solution.

PTM leaders might be shady and deceitful personalities but that doesnt mean many who are impressed by them don't have genuine concerns.

Tere needs to be proper alternative and a platform given to people of FATA who over the years havee been effected by the militant's threat, countless army operations and drone strikes. A platform where they can express their concerns without censorship and ask for appropriate compensations and demands.

Army and current govt both want to do it that's why PM announced 10 year mega plan for FATA rebuilding. And IK recent 3/4 jalsas in different agencies of FATA as PM were actually to show the people of FATA that they are on his priorities list and he do care. I don't remember any other PM visiting FATA this much (i only remember reading about ZAB visiting Bajaur). Army is surely on board otherwise they wouldn't have give IK green signal for these jalsas.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Living up to our commitment. A 3-week consultative process on 10 yr Dev Plan for former FATA is being initiated, starting from Bajaur. Our ppl in the tribal area will see unprecedented development as Govt plans to spend over Rs100 billion annually for 10 yrs in tribal districts</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1107475324617613315?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[King-Misbah]

I am against violence as a solution.

PTM leaders might be shady and deceitful personalities but that doesnt mean many who are impressed by them don't have genuine concerns.

Tere needs to be proper alternative and a platform given to people of FATA who over the years havee been effected by the militant's threat, countless army operations and drone strikes. A platform where they can express their concerns without censorship and ask for appropriate compensations and demands.

FATA is part of KPK now so progress is being made with many projects and development promised by IK. Extra funds will also be given to the old FATA area. The same people who are allegedly supporting the tribal people did not want the merger and now when things are getting back on tracks, the area is peaceful..they are indulging in violance.

 

[Runner Up]

Where were they when Taliban used to slaughter their people, forcefully get married with girls there. Now that Pak army has cleared the area, these so called Pashteens showing their true face. Time to send back these namak harams to their original country.

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NWTD incident. Innocent PTM supporters / workers need care. Only few are inciting and using them against state institutions for vested agenda. No one will be allowed to undo the gains of decades long national struggle & sacrifices especially of brave Pakistani tribals.</p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1132678944799563777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sirris]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NWTD incident. Innocent PTM supporters / workers need care. Only few are inciting and using them against state institutions for vested agenda. No one will be allowed to undo the gains of decades long national struggle & sacrifices especially of brave Pakistani tribals.</p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1132678944799563777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Very good to read. At the very least DG ISPR knows there can be innocent PTM supporters.

Far better than call for use of brute force.

It's alse great to read about plans of the current government to invest in FATA. Besides that we also need to bridge the gap between the people of the war effected tribal population and the rest of the country. Which is difficult to do if we are quick to judge people as traitors if they raise an unpleasant opinion.

Most people in tribal areas are simple minded, not well educated and easily misled by emotional slogans. Those who are misleading them and trying to misuse their sufferings needs to punished no doubt. While for the rest caution, love and an open ear is needed.

How about promoting a pashto speaking public figure from within the army responsible for tribal affairs and the local populations concern.

 

[Sirris]

We all know how TTP would brainwash teenage boys and use them as suicide bombers.

Therefore we need to be wise and think smartly about how to stop the brainwashing and instead win the marginalized people over to our side. It is a difficult task but it's the only approach worth considering.

Calling for more brute force is a lazy, short-sighted and potentially dangerous approach in my eyes. It's basically shooting ourselves intentionally in the left foot while hoping for the pain in the left arm to go away.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Why?

 

[Loralai]

Pakistan Army firing upon innocent members of a minority group, killing three of them.

Political leaders placed under arrest.

Is this Dhaka in 1971 or Waziristan in 2019?

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistan Army firing upon innocent members of a minority group, killing three of them.

Political leaders placed under arrest.

Is this Dhaka in 1971 or Waziristan in 2019?

Tell us terrorist sympathiser-Whose funding them? And why

 

[Couch Cricketer]

We all know how TTP would brainwash teenage boys and use them as suicide bombers.

Therefore we need to be wise and think smartly about how to stop the brainwashing and instead win the marginalized people over to our side. It is a difficult task but it's the only approach worth considering.

Calling for more brute force is a lazy, short-sighted and potentially dangerous approach in my eyes. It's basically shooting ourselves intentionally in the left foot while hoping for the pain in the left arm to go away.

Treating them better is well and good but will it really make a difference as Its really tough look at the recent sri lankan bombers they were from educated and well off business families. Or previously in Karachi very well off and educated people were involved in the bus attack. Even the 9/11 hijackers were well off educated Saudis. To me this narrative of marginalized people becoming radicalized now seems hollow yes they might get recruited easily but they are not the only one we need to keep an eye on or be aware off.

 

[Loralai]

Some very immature and poorly informed comments in this thread regarding this incident, but none condemning innocent loss of life. Instead posters encouraging violence! Then we wonder why Pakistan is floundering...

 

[PakLFC]

Need to nip this one in the bud. These people have to be dealt with very firmly. [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION]
No one is encouraging violence other then the TTP. The military have no choice other then defend themselves when they are attacked.

 

[Bewal Express]

Some very immature and poorly informed comments in this thread regarding this incident, but none condemning innocent loss of life. Instead posters encouraging violence! Then we wonder why Pakistan is floundering...

Did you condemn the loss of lives when the hotel was attacked. So pretending to care for innocent lives, you are terrorist sympathiser.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Can you translate this video of Ali Wazir?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پروپیگینڈا موومنٹ ٹی ٹی پی کا ہی دوسرا روپ ہے۔۔ <br>پہلے بھی اجڑی چڑیل(علی وزیر) نے یہ حرکت کی تھی اور آج بھی وہی حرکت دہرائی ہے۔ <br>ہر بار ان کی شرانگیزیوں کو نظر انداز نہیں کیا جا سکتا۔۔<br>یا ہم اس انتظار میں ہیں کہ بات فائرنگ سے بڑھ کر ہمارے فوجی جوانوں کے گلے کاٹنے تک پہنچے؟؟ <a href="https://t.co/FCqZp3FcB6">pic.twitter.com/FCqZp3FcB6</a></p>— حناء (@HinaKharaI) <a href="https://twitter.com/HinaKharaI/status/1132657702310694912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Cut the abuses

He is saying " I will open this gate / check post, you dont know me who Am i, now you will see me" In short he is abusing and threatning the army jawans. While the crowd is trying to cool him down by saying just go and leave it all and do this e.t.c

In last, army jawan was making video and this guy was saying stop the recording stop the recording. But his own supporters were making video of this )

 

[Loralai]

Did you condemn the loss of lives when the hotel was attacked. So pretending to care for innocent lives, you are terrorist sympathiser.

So you don't find it remotely concerning that three Pakistani citizens have been killed by the Pakistan Army today?

 

[King-Misbah]

So you don't find it remotely concerning that three Pakistani citizens have been killed by the Pakistan Army today?

Attack the army and PTM will suffer worse. No country will tolerate this behaviour. No restraint should have been shown to traitors.

 

[Loralai]

Attack the army and PTM will suffer worse. No country will tolerate this behaviour. No restraint should have been shown to traitors.

Are they traitors simply because they don't follow the Army's narrative of what is happening in the country?
[MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] post above has been ignored, but he is right - a different and more credible story about what has happened is doing the rounds on social media.

 

[Runner Up]

Very good to read. At the very least DG ISPR knows there can be innocent PTM supporters.

Far better than call for use of brute force.

It's alse great to read about plans of the current government to invest in FATA. Besides that we also need to bridge the gap between the people of the war effected tribal population and the rest of the country. Which is difficult to do if we are quick to judge people as traitors if they raise an unpleasant opinion.

Most people in tribal areas are simple minded, not well educated and easily misled by emotional slogans. Those who are misleading them and trying to misuse their sufferings needs to punished no doubt. While for the rest caution, love and an open ear is needed.

How about promoting a pashto speaking public figure from within the army responsible for tribal affairs and the local populations concern.

Here you go
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ps" dir="rtl">پي ټي ایم ملاتړ کوونکو ته پام نه کار اخیستل پکار دي.مونږ به هم دوي خیال ساتو او مینه به ورکو*ؤ.څه کسانو لخوا دغه ګام مقصد په غیر قانوني توګه د ریاستي ادارو پرضد تلل دي.چا ته به هم اجازه ورنکړو چې قامي جدوجهد ،قربانې او په تیره تکړه قبایل پاکستانیانو امن سره لوبې وکړي. <a href="https://t.co/S02thH4FK1">https://t.co/S02thH4FK1</a></p>— Asif Ghafoor (@peaceforchange) <a href="https://twitter.com/peaceforchange/status/1132704838515601408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[King-Misbah]

Are they traitors simply because they don't follow the Army's narrative of what is happening in the country?
[MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] post above has been ignored, but he is right - a different and more credible story about what has happened is doing the rounds on social media.

If you attack the state army then universally you are a terrorist and a traitor. Its simple.

 

[Asim_khan]

So you don't find it remotely concerning that three Pakistani citizens have been killed by the Pakistan Army today?

The same concern you had for the poor security guard who was shot by the BLA thugs. He was also a Pakistani citizen, just going about his job

 

[saeed5646]

As a Pashtun my self this is disgusting and pathetic from PTM hopefully the afghan leader who is hiding is arrested soon

 

[Bewal Express]

So you don't find it remotely concerning that three Pakistani citizens have been killed by the Pakistan Army today?

Unlike you, to me all lives matter. I trust my army not to kill innocent people, they have nothing to gain by killing innocent people. They have sacrificed too much already without trying to start another insurgency. You on the other hand couldn't even condemn the innocent people that were murdered by terrorists in Gwadar. You are are terrorist sympathiser

 

[Loralai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strongly condemn the attack on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTM</a> workers today. Attacking a peaceful demonstration is in no way acceptable. Violence should not be used to scare those who use peaceful ways to protest.</p>— Akhtar Mengal (@sakhtarmengal) <a href="https://twitter.com/sakhtarmengal/status/1132636203541499904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Asim_khan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strongly condemn the attack on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTM</a> workers today. Attacking a peaceful demonstration is in no way acceptable. Violence should not be used to scare those who use peaceful ways to protest.</p>— Akhtar Mengal (@sakhtarmengal) <a href="https://twitter.com/sakhtarmengal/status/1132636203541499904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's right, peaceful protestors should not be shot at, which the DG ISPR totally agreed with. But those who take aim at soldiers should expect a few rounds fired back.

Interesting that Mr Mengal has come out in favour of PTM, last I heard he was begging Imran Khan to forcefully repatriate Afghan refugees, the vast majority of whom make up PTM.

 

[WebGuru]

Cut the abuses

He is saying " I will open this gate / check post, you dont know me who Am i, now you will see me" In short he is abusing and threatning the army jawans. While the crowd is trying to cool him down by saying just go and leave it all and do this e.t.c

In last, army jawan was making video and this guy was saying stop the recording stop the recording. But his own supporters were making video of this )

PTM and their abuses and anti state chants well nothing new. It was hilarious to see him acting macho

Thanks for translation bro

 

[Sirris]

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Here you go
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ps" dir="rtl">پي ټي ایم ملاتړ کوونکو ته پام نه کار اخیستل پکار دي.مونږ به هم دوي خیال ساتو او مینه به ورکو*ؤ.څه کسانو لخوا دغه ګام مقصد په غیر قانوني توګه د ریاستي ادارو پرضد تلل دي.چا ته به هم اجازه ورنکړو چې قامي جدوجهد ،قربانې او په تیره تکړه قبایل پاکستانیانو امن سره لوبې وکړي. <a href="https://t.co/S02thH4FK1">https://t.co/S02thH4FK1</a></p>— Asif Ghafoor (@peaceforchange) <a href="https://twitter.com/peaceforchange/status/1132704838515601408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Having a pashto translation of the tweet isn't what I suggest. It is a smart thing though and I appreciate it.

Asif Ghafoor can post pashto tweets but he will remain a Punjabi. His ethnicity doesn't matter to me but it does matter to the closed minded tribal people who are vary of outsiders while easily misled by their own due to their ethnic bias.

They only reason why Uzbek, Arabs and other foreign elemnts were able to find shelter in Waziristan was because there were local tribal leaders who backed them and introduced them to the locals. If the Uzbeks had tried to force their way in without knowing any of the locals they would have never succeeded. They knew how to press the right buttons and take advantage of the local population.

I think it's important that the person should be Pashtun too and in charge of media related stuff on tribal affairs. Like in tribal areas there could be a bureau run by the army where the locals can come in and file their complaint be it about missing a relative, harassment at the check posts or any other complaint related to the armies activities. The Pashtun public figure should be given media air time and he use other channels to reach out to the local population clarify any kind of misunderstanding and provide answer and a narrative to counter PTM's propaganda.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Are they traitors simply because they don't follow the Army's narrative of what is happening in the country?
[MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] post above has been ignored, but he is right - a different and more credible story about what has happened is doing the rounds on social media.

why the peaceful protesters have Guns ?

 

[Sirris]

Treating them better is well and good but will it really make a difference as Its really tough look at the recent sri lankan bombers they were from educated and well off business families. Or previously in Karachi very well off and educated people were involved in the bus attack. Even the 9/11 hijackers were well off educated Saudis. To me this narrative of marginalized people becoming radicalized now seems hollow yes they might get recruited easily but they are not the only one we need to keep an eye on or be aware off.

What is your point? That we shouldn't treat them better since it won't make a difference?

There has been really poor effort to bridge the gap between the tribal population and rest of the country. There needs to be a wholehearted and genuine effort and not just a superficial approach. Treating people well and becoming friends with them isn't a simple or easy thing and can't be taken for garanted however it is the only approach which has the potential to truly solve the problematic once and for all.

As for as the global incidents of terrorism by Islamic radicals is concerned that's a different problematic altogether. You can't put the jihadist and the tribal people of FATA in the same basket. Yes there are jihadist amongst the tribal people too like Hakeemullah Mehsud himself but we shouldn't be too quick to condemn the whole population, which for the most part had little freedom and choice in the chain of events.

Hypothetically speaking out of 100 tribals there might be 20 jihadists but if we were to neglect them altogether or even worse use more indiscriminate brute force then we most likely will end up in a situation where 80 out off 100 will go on to join jihadists.

It is so simple to see that the war and drone strikes have affected the tribal people. Just look at the pre-2003 era and the one after it. It was the negligence of the tribal people before 2003 that came back to bite us. If they were educated and made to feel part of the country then perhpas it would have been far more difficult for the militants escaping Afghanistan to find shelter there.

Additionally it is very important to note that the Sri Lankan bomber, the Saudi hijackers and others all make an exception and don't represent their community at all. Sri Lankan Muslims do not share the mindset and approach of the bombers. Yes, these radical individuals in the communities can't be tolerated of accepted as a bitter reality and need to be fought and eliminated but they don't represent their people.

 

[Sirris]

Treating them better is well and good but will it really make a difference as Its really tough look at the recent sri lankan bombers they were from educated and well off business families. Or previously in Karachi very well off and educated people were involved in the bus attack. Even the 9/11 hijackers were well off educated Saudis. To me this narrative of marginalized people becoming radicalized now seems hollow yes they might get recruited easily but they are not the only one we need to keep an eye on or be aware off.

I forgot to ask. What other things do you have in mind that we should be aware off?

 

[WebGuru]

I forgot to ask. What other things do you have in mind that we should be aware off?

Both Mohsin Dawar and Wazir met PM Imran Khan and had a 1 hour long meeting he listened to them. They are part of parliamentary committees and also do regular speeches in NA raising their issues and recently a bill by PTI(Noor ul Haq)+PTM(Dawar) for FATA was tabled in NA and passed unanimously. Army tried to engage PTM and asked them again and again to come on table let's talk in last 2 years. IK last year before entering in elections announced PTI will not field a candidate against PTM and kept his word to make sure PTM enter NA without any difficult. Don't know what else can be done for them to make them happy like other Pashtuns of Pak.

 

[Sirris]

Both Mohsin Dawar and Wazir met PM Imran Khan and had a 1 hour long meeting he listened to them. They are part of parliamentary committees and also do regular speeches in NA raising their issues and recently a bill by PTI(Noor ul Haq)+PTM(Dawar) for FATA was tabled in NA and passed unanimously. Army tried to engage PTM and asked them again and again to come on table let's talk in last 2 years. IK last year before entering in elections announced PTI will not field a candidate against PTM and kept his word to make sure PTM enter NA without any difficult. Don't know what else can be done for them to make them happy like other Pashtuns of Pak.

I have very little love and sympathy for PTM's leadership. I don't trust their intentions. I see them deceitful manipulators.

My main concern is winning over the gullible and simple minded tribal population who were affected by war the most since past decade.

I acknowledge the good steps undertaken by the government and the military. The rest of the population too needs to show patience and support for the tribal people and be cautious of alienating them by calling a whole group of people as traitors.

Please note that it's PTM's leaderships cunning plan to make it a Pashtun vs non-Pashtun issue. We should not fall for their trap. This is an issue of war effected tribal people. Likewise we should be careful with the words we use. Our attitude should be to make them happy like "the rest of the Pakistani population" and not word it as "like the rest of Pashtuns".

 

[Pakistanian]

Pakistan Army firing upon innocent members of a minority group, killing three of them.

Political leaders placed under arrest.

Is this Dhaka in 1971 or Waziristan in 2019?

Kabul 2019

 

[PakLFC]

If the TTP gunda's love Afghanistan so much then go and live there. No one is stopping them from moving to that war zone next door. I don't see what the problem is when Manzoor Pashteen declares himself an Afghan, get out of Pak. Most Pak Pathans are patriots even though I do not agree with their tribal laws, ancient ways of living and oppressive culture.

 

[m.shah]

So you don't find it remotely concerning that three Pakistani citizens have been killed by the Pakistan Army today?

Are you out of your senses they attacked army posts fired on them still army showed so much restraint. If you do such things here in IOK be ready to lift hundreds of coffins.

 

[Waseem]

For the moment, let's say it's unclear who initiated this shooting.

Did people forget how PTM goons attacked Army checkpost few months ago and they were literally abusing and attacking soldiers who remained calm and kept ignoring the abuse but these goons were on a mission to provoke them and get some reaction.

Did we forget how Gulali Ismail of PTM used rape and murder of an innocent 10 year old just last week and accused fauj of the rape and murder even provoking people that somehow Fauj had committed mass rape and abuse of FATA women during operation against Talibans. Obviously Army had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with all this and Gulali's excuse was that she blamed Army of rape because they are responsible for all unrest which results in refugee situation which results in this sort of crime. This is most pathetic excuse ever and the only intent was to use the opportunity for their agenda.

 

[Waseem]

Are they traitors simply because they don't follow the Army's narrative of what is happening in the country?
[MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] post above has been ignored, but he is right - a different and more credible story about what has happened is doing the rounds on social media.

Come on now [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] how can you be so blind to just look at one side of picture?

Have you missed all the videos where PTM leader Ali Wazir literally abuses Army and incites violence against soldiers? Why are you ignoring the video posted on this thread where he once again seems clearly on a mission trying to provoke Army once again? Why was he so worried when all soldiers were doing was recording his verbal assault?

I have zero doubt that some elements are exploiting and hijacking PTM cause, it is very difficult to ignore such elements when they are literally abusing fauj in every rally and that seems to be their biggest motive rather than "RIGHTS of people". Their racial abuse is not hidden either which i always find disgusting in this day and age.

 

[Loralai]

Are you out of your senses they attacked army posts fired on them still army showed so much restraint. If you do such things here in IOK be ready to lift hundreds of coffins.

Bhai that's because it is occupied against the wishes of the Kashmiri people. Pakistan is a free country in name so this should not be happening here.

 

[King-Misbah]

Bhai that's because it is occupied against the wishes of the Kashmiri people. Pakistan is a free country in name so this should not be happening here.

I think your either your naive, stupid or just anti-state. It could be all three.

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan Army firing upon innocent members of a minority group, killing three of them.

Political leaders placed under arrest.

Is this Dhaka in 1971 or Waziristan in 2019?

Hehe. Pakistani leftists never read a book after 1971

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Manzoor Pashteen now calling for United Nations intervention in Pakistan.<br><br>Accuses Army of genocide in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.<br><br>Is this demand also 'within the constitutional framework of Pakistan' ?<br><br>Facepalm! <a href="https://t.co/LTuZjFnUiP">pic.twitter.com/LTuZjFnUiP</a></p>— Ashar Jawad (@AsharJawad) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsharJawad/status/1132757470861037570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[King-Misbah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Manzoor Pashteen now calling for United Nations intervention in Pakistan.<br><br>Accuses Army of genocide in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.<br><br>Is this demand also 'within the constitutional framework of Pakistan' ?<br><br>Facepalm! <a href="https://t.co/LTuZjFnUiP">pic.twitter.com/LTuZjFnUiP</a></p>— Ashar Jawad (@AsharJawad) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsharJawad/status/1132757470861037570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Manzoor Pashteen needs to be get ridden off. Period.

 

[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Manzoor Pashteen now calling for United Nations intervention in Pakistan.<br><br>Accuses Army of genocide in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.<br><br>Is this demand also 'within the constitutional framework of Pakistan' ?<br><br>Facepalm! <a href="https://t.co/LTuZjFnUiP">pic.twitter.com/LTuZjFnUiP</a></p>— Ashar Jawad (@AsharJawad) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsharJawad/status/1132757470861037570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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As we already knew his agenda is nothing to do with rights but his mission to attack our army.

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Manzoor Pashteen now calling for United Nations intervention in Pakistan.<br><br>Accuses Army of genocide in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.<br><br>Is this demand also 'within the constitutional framework of Pakistan' ?<br><br>Facepalm! <a href="https://t.co/LTuZjFnUiP">pic.twitter.com/LTuZjFnUiP</a></p>— Ashar Jawad (@AsharJawad) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsharJawad/status/1132757470861037570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Why I am not surprised this traitor always had a hidden agenda.