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MNAs Ali Wazir, Mohsin Dawar granted bail in Kharqamar attack case

If someone feels oppressed in Pakistan, they should try and leave the country. There is no point in fighting for your rights in Pakistan. If you struggle peacefully, no one will pay you any attention. If you fight violently you’ll be declared terrorist (rightly or wrongly). Better leave the country by any means necessary and try to forge a better life.
 
If someone feels oppressed in Pakistan, they should try and leave the country. There is no point in fighting for your rights in Pakistan. If you struggle peacefully, no one will pay you any attention. If you fight violently you’ll be declared terrorist (rightly or wrongly). Better leave the country by any means necessary and try to forge a better life.

PTM group can go back to Afghanistan; a land that is full of milk and honey as accord to them.
 
Another check post attacked in Shawal. 1 jawan martyed. InnaLillah.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Update on Apnay bachay<br><br>Second checkpost has been attacked by terrorists, few hours ago in Shawal. The attack was repulsed but unfortunately one Jawan has been martyred. Total toll at, 5 wounded by PTM and one martyred by TTP, in past 24 hours in Waziristan.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeStandWithPakArmy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeStandWithPakArmy</a></p>— Asfandyar Bhittani (@BhittaniKhannnn) <a href="https://twitter.com/BhittaniKhannnn/status/1132774220855947265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Now ask from PTM innocent supporters that why TTP is coming forward to support PTM? :)
 
Dual nationals should be stripped of their Pak citizenship, evidence gathered against them and extradited to the Hague to face charges. Sure they'll be released in a few years but they won't be coming back to Pakistan, and with an internationally recognised jail term behind them, they won't be taken seriously when they cry wolf.

All others found guilty of attacking our armed forces should be treated as any traitorous Pakistani should be.
 
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Now ask from PTM innocent supporters that why TTP is coming forward to support PTM? :)

PTM-TTP bhai bhai...
 
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Would our brave PM have the guts to say this today? If hypocrisy had a face, it would look like Kaptaan.

Also, I wonder why he along with CM KP are mute on this matter. FATA is part of KP now, but CM KP is nowhere to be found. It appears that the area is still under the control of the military and DG ISPR is informing the country over the events.

Perhaps the PM's request to speak on the subject is "under consideration." Instead of wasting time inspecting hospitals in Bahwalpur, shouldn't he be taking charge of what is happening in Waziristan?

Perhaps I expect too much from him. Although this tragedy has taken place in KP, it is beyond the capacity of his government and they still have no jurisdiction over what happens there.

Also, he doesn't want another spanking by the military after they fired him from Interior Ministry not long ago, and installed a former ISI spy.

PTM's main demand is to have a commission where all the evidences against one other can be brought to the fore. They demand an open trial of the missing individuals - those found guilty should be punished, and those found innocent should be freed? What is the problem and why can't we have a commission?

So far, the only source of information is the military media cell and historically speaking, no institution has lied to the country more than the military. The PTM leaders are MNAs - let them come to the NA and give them an opportunity to address the nation live.

Moreover, PTI and PTM had an alliance in the elections, and PTI did not field any candidate against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir. If they are anti-state terrorists, why did Imran make an alliance with them in the first place? If they are traitors, how can we trust Imran and PTI?
 
"Group, led by MNAs Ali Wazir and Mohsin Javed, assaults military check post in North Waziristan: ISPR" (Pakistani media)

"Three killed by military gunfire at Pakistan rights protest" (international media)

Same day, same event, two contrasting headlines. That is the differences between the local media which is writing under military's instructions and international media which is painting an accurate picture of the true events.
 
"Group, led by MNAs Ali Wazir and Mohsin Javed, assaults military check post in North Waziristan: ISPR" (Pakistani media)

"Three killed by military gunfire at Pakistan rights protest" (international media)

Same day, same event, two contrasting headlines. That is the differences between the local media which is writing under military's instructions and international media which is painting an accurate picture of the true events.

I don't know why I clicked on 'view post' to read your garbage but there are videos of them assaulting check posts.
 
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ہے – ساحر لدھیانوی

ظلم پِھر ظلم ہے ، بڑھتا ہے تو مٹ جاتا ہے
خون پِھر خون ہے ، ٹپکے گا تو جم جائیگا

خاکِ صحرا پہ جمے یا کفِ قاتل پہ جمے
فرقِ انصاف پہ یا پا ۓ سلاسل پہ جمے
تیغِ بے داد پہ یا لاشۂ بسمل پہ جمے
خون پِھر خون ہے ٹپکے گا تو جم جائے گا

لاکھ بیٹھے کوئی چُھپ چُھپ كے کمیں گاہوں میں
خون خود دیتا ہے جلاّدوں كے مسکن کا سُراغ
سازشیں لاکھ اُڑھاتی رہیں ظلمت کا نقاب
لے كے ہر بوند نکلتی ہے ہتھیلی پہ چراغ

ظلم کی قسمت ناکارہ و رُسوا سے کہو
جبر کی حکمتِ پُرکار كی ایما سے کہو
محملِ مجلسِ اقوام کی لیلی سے کہو
خون دیوانہ ہے ، دامن پہ لپک سکتا ہے

شعلہ تند ہے ، خرمن پہ لپک سکتا ہے
تم نے جس خون کو مقتل میں چھپانا چاہا
آج وہ کوچہ و بازار میں آ نکلا ہے
کہیں شعلہ،کہیں نعرہ، کہیں پتھر بن كر

خون چلتا ہے تو رُکتا نہیں سنگینوں سے
سَر اُٹھتا ہے تو دبتا نہیں آ ئینوں سے
ظلم کی بات ہی کیا ، ظلم کی اوقات ہی کیا
ظلم بس ظلم ہے ، آغاز سے انجام تلک

خون پِھر خون ہے ، سو شکل بَدَل سکتا ہے
ایسی شکلیں كے مٹاؤ تو مٹائے نہ بنے
ایسے شعلے كے بجھاؤ تو بجھاۓ نہ بنے
ایسے نعرے كے دباؤ تو دبائے نہ بنے
 
I don't know why I clicked on 'view post' to read your garbage but there are videos of them assaulting check posts.

I dont want to quote him but lemme tell you. Headlines he is referring to is used by Afghan Media and Al Jazeera.

While NYtimes used head line : Clash Between Protesters and Soldiers Turns Deadly in Pakistan

Obviously, that is meaningless headline for him :))
 
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"Group, led by MNAs Ali Wazir and Mohsin Javed, assaults military check post in North Waziristan: ISPR" (Pakistani media)

"Three killed by military gunfire at Pakistan rights protest" (international media)

Same day, same event, two contrasting headlines. That is the differences between the local media which is writing under military's instructions and international media which is painting an accurate picture of the true events.
You can see some videos on social media as well , to give reality check to keyboard wartiors.
 
I don't know why I clicked on 'view post' to read your garbage but there are videos of them assaulting check posts.


Need neutral investigation that who is right but watched few videos and i am heart broken.
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] kaptaan sb is sleeping, when things go out of control then he will wake up.
 
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Would our brave PM have the guts to say this today? If hypocrisy had a face, it would look like Kaptaan.

Also, I wonder why he along with CM KP are mute on this matter. FATA is part of KP now, but CM KP is nowhere to be found. It appears that the area is still under the control of the military and DG ISPR is informing the country over the events.

Perhaps the PM's request to speak on the subject is "under consideration." Instead of wasting time inspecting hospitals in Bahwalpur, shouldn't he be taking charge of what is happening in Waziristan?

Perhaps I expect too much from him. Although this tragedy has taken place in KP, it is beyond the capacity of his government and they still have no jurisdiction over what happens there.

Also, he doesn't want another spanking by the military after they fired him from Interior Ministry not long ago, and installed a former ISI spy.

PTM's main demand is to have a commission where all the evidences against one other can be brought to the fore. They demand an open trial of the missing individuals - those found guilty should be punished, and those found innocent should be freed? What is the problem and why can't we have a commission?

So far, the only source of information is the military media cell and historically speaking, no institution has lied to the country more than the military. The PTM leaders are MNAs - let them come to the NA and give them an opportunity to address the nation live.

Moreover, PTI and PTM had an alliance in the elections, and PTI did not field any candidate against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir. If they are anti-state terrorists, why did Imran make an alliance with them in the first place? If they are traitors, how can we trust Imran and PTI?

If you missed it let me tell your Info Minister twice talked on this issue yesterday and today and Info Minister is the spokesman of Govt.

So if IK was Taliban Khan for being anti army operations in past what are Dawar and Wazir for you now? You can't just switch views after bashing IK for the same reason.

And there are videos available of Wazir and his supporters abusing, attacking checkposts so i will believe that instead of believing some VOA report or foreign media with no ground presence.
 
I dont want to quote him but lemme tell you. Headlines he is referring to is used by Afghan Media and Al Jazeera.

While NYtimes used head line : Clash Between Protesters and Soldiers Turns Deadly in Pakistan

Obviously, that is meaningless headline for him :))

He posts and share what suit his agenda and ignores the rest. This is Mamoon career on PP for you
 
If you missed it let me tell your Info Minister twice talked on this issue yesterday and today and Info Minister is the spokesman of Govt.

So if IK was Taliban Khan for being anti army operations in past what are Dawar and Wazir for you now? You can't just switch views after bashing IK for the same reason.

And there are videos available of Wazir and his supporters abusing, attacking checkposts so i will believe that instead of believing some VOA report or foreign media with no ground presence.

He feel happy with that bcz he wants poor soldiers to be killed by paid mobs.
 
ہے – ساحر لدھیانوی

ظلم پِھر ظلم ہے ، بڑھتا ہے تو مٹ جاتا ہے
خون پِھر خون ہے ، ٹپکے گا تو جم جائیگا

خاکِ صحرا پہ جمے یا کفِ قاتل پہ جمے
فرقِ انصاف پہ یا پا ۓ سلاسل پہ جمے
تیغِ بے داد پہ یا لاشۂ بسمل پہ جمے
خون پِھر خون ہے ٹپکے گا تو جم جائے گا

لاکھ بیٹھے کوئی چُھپ چُھپ كے کمیں گاہوں میں
خون خود دیتا ہے جلاّدوں كے مسکن کا سُراغ
سازشیں لاکھ اُڑھاتی رہیں ظلمت کا نقاب
لے كے ہر بوند نکلتی ہے ہتھیلی پہ چراغ

ظلم کی قسمت ناکارہ و رُسوا سے کہو
جبر کی حکمتِ پُرکار كی ایما سے کہو
محملِ مجلسِ اقوام کی لیلی سے کہو
خون دیوانہ ہے ، دامن پہ لپک سکتا ہے

شعلہ تند ہے ، خرمن پہ لپک سکتا ہے
تم نے جس خون کو مقتل میں چھپانا چاہا
آج وہ کوچہ و بازار میں آ نکلا ہے
کہیں شعلہ،کہیں نعرہ، کہیں پتھر بن كر

خون چلتا ہے تو رُکتا نہیں سنگینوں سے
سَر اُٹھتا ہے تو دبتا نہیں آ ئینوں سے
ظلم کی بات ہی کیا ، ظلم کی اوقات ہی کیا
ظلم بس ظلم ہے ، آغاز سے انجام تلک

خون پِھر خون ہے ، سو شکل بَدَل سکتا ہے
ایسی شکلیں كے مٹاؤ تو مٹائے نہ بنے
ایسے شعلے كے بجھاؤ تو بجھاۓ نہ بنے
ایسے نعرے كے دباؤ تو دبائے نہ بنے

mirī bastī se pare bhī mire dushman hoñge

par yahāñ kab koī aġhyār kā lashkar utrā

āshnā haath hī aksar mirī jānib lapke

mere siine meñ sadā apnā hī ḳhanjar utrā
 
If you missed it let me tell your Info Minister twice talked on this issue yesterday and today and Info Minister is the spokesman of Govt.

So if IK was Taliban Khan for being anti army operations in past what are Dawar and Wazir for you now? You can't just switch views after bashing IK for the same reason.

And there are videos available of Wazir and his supporters abusing, attacking checkposts so i will believe that instead of believing some VOA report or foreign media with no ground presence.

He posts and share what suit his agenda and ignores the rest. This is Mamoon career on PP for you

What do you want him to do?

Shahryar's speech today in NA was awesome. You should listen if you havent already.
 
mirī bastī se pare bhī mire dushman hoñge

par yahāñ kab koī aġhyār kā lashkar utrā

āshnā haath hī aksar mirī jānib lapke

mere siine meñ sadā apnā hī ḳhanjar utrā

That's Faraz, isn't it? Unless my memory has completely deserted me.
 
When even the urban masses of Pakistan were easily swayed by crooks like Asif Ali Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Altaf Hussain the less said about our rural people the better. Everyone knew merging FATA was going to be a strenuous task as stakeholders in the lawless land don't want the laws to be applied to them.

This is an important issue and Imran Khan should make a commisssion to be setted up in tribal area, ideally lead by a political person (Murad Saeed or Shehryar Afridi maybe?) and that commision should communicate with the media & tribal people and solve the issues pertaining to the people there. If the government don't act swiftly then PTM can somewhat succeed in propagating their false narrative to our gullible people.
 
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When even the urban masses of Pakistan were easily swayed by crooks like Asif Ali Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Altaf Hussain the less said about our rural people the better. Everyone knew merging FATA was going to be a strenuous task as stakeholders in the lawless land don't want the laws to be applied to them.

This is an important issue and Imran Khan should make a commisssion to be setted up in tribal area, ideally lead by a political person (Murad Saeed or Shehryar Afridi maybe?) and that commision should communicate with the media & tribal people and solve the issues pertaining to the people there. If the government don't act swiftly then PTM can somewhat succeed in propagating their false narrative to our gullible people.

Ajmal Wazir of PTI is a sensible guy and he is from FATA i think he can be given this task.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAK</a> Army should withdraw fm Wairistan, said <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mjdawar</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/PashtunTM_Offi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PashtunTM_Offi</a> is fighting for justice in Waziristan. The international community including USA, <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a> should value their struggles & voices. They want Waziristan free of terrorists, a long awaited wish of USA. <a href="https://t.co/vdm0CcA9es">https://t.co/vdm0CcA9es</a></p>— Rahmatullah Nabil (@RahmatullahN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RahmatullahN/status/1133409203144581120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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one of pak army solider gt martyred, pray tell me how come these peaceful protesters killed the soldier ?
 
"Group, led by MNAs Ali Wazir and Mohsin Javed, assaults military check post in North Waziristan: ISPR" (Pakistani media)

"Three killed by military gunfire at Pakistan rights protest" (international media)

Same day, same event, two contrasting headlines. That is the differences between the local media which is writing under military's instructions and international media which is painting an accurate picture of the true events.

Accurate picture?

How can you say it for certain?

And before you go on with your lengthy paragraph of word salad, let me help you and save some bandwidth, YOU CAN NOT.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAK</a> Army should withdraw fm Wairistan, said <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mjdawar</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/PashtunTM_Offi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PashtunTM_Offi</a> is fighting for justice in Waziristan. The international community including USA, <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a> should value their struggles & voices. They want Waziristan free of terrorists, a long awaited wish of USA. <a href="https://t.co/vdm0CcA9es">https://t.co/vdm0CcA9es</a></p>— Rahmatullah Nabil (@RahmatullahN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RahmatullahN/status/1133409203144581120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Want Afghanista free of fear and hate.

Time for him to leave Afghanistan for good
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAK</a> Army should withdraw fm Wairistan, said <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mjdawar</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/PashtunTM_Offi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PashtunTM_Offi</a> is fighting for justice in Waziristan. The international community including USA, <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a> should value their struggles & voices. They want Waziristan free of terrorists, a long awaited wish of USA. <a href="https://t.co/vdm0CcA9es">https://t.co/vdm0CcA9es</a></p>— Rahmatullah Nabil (@RahmatullahN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RahmatullahN/status/1133409203144581120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Why is this idiot sat in Afghanistan even talking about Pakistan? The check points are in Pakistan so mind your own business and they shall remain so that terrorist can not come into Pakistan from Afghanistan and kill innocent people. Time that Pakistan dealt with PTM with full force and show these Afghans who their papa is. Biggest mistake that Pakistan made was to accomodate the Afghan refugees. Time that we boycott buying anything from these Afghanis. Pakistan first! The army should be given full licence against PTM and there is a need to ban PTM & declare it a terrorist organisation.
 
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Honestly a lot of these organisations need to be nipped in the bud as soon as they start, TLP was another example.
 
The Army needs to own up to its mistakes. It's obvious not all the person that were abducted due to terrorism charges were actually terrorist associates. They might have been tortured, unlawfully killed or whatever. It doesn't matter now. Only accepting the mistakes and compensating the victims is the way forward.

Otherwise trying to hide them will only lead to more "mistakes" being made.
 
Accurate picture?

How can you say it for certain?

And before you go on with your lengthy paragraph of word salad, let me help you and save some bandwidth, YOU CAN NOT.

Wazir and Dawar are elected by the people of Pakistan and it should be extremely concerning that they are being treated like this.

An independent commission must be formed to investigate this incident. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has already made this demand (https://www.dawn.com/news/1484906). Lets hope that it does not fall on deaf ears as clearly a large proportion of people are either being misled by Establishment backed media or otherwise do not wish to see the reality of the situation and prefer to be blindfolded.
 
Wazir and Dawar are elected by the people of Pakistan and it should be extremely concerning that they are being treated like this.

An independent commission must be formed to investigate this incident. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has already made this demand (https://www.dawn.com/news/1484906). Lets hope that it does not fall on deaf ears as clearly a large proportion of people are either being misled by Establishment backed media or otherwise do not wish to see the reality of the situation and prefer to be blindfolded.

Elected means nothing. They would not have been elected if they did not have PTI support. Any anti Pakistan element needs to be dealt with quickly. Hope IK and army realise this fitna. Anyone who is anti Pakistan/state are free to leave the country.
 
"Group, led by MNAs Ali Wazir and Mohsin Javed, assaults military check post in North Waziristan: ISPR" (Pakistani media)

"Three killed by military gunfire at Pakistan rights protest" (international media)

Same day, same event, two contrasting headlines. That is the differences between the local media which is writing under military's instructions and international media which is painting an accurate picture of the true events.

Yes the difference is clear as night and day but unfortunately we do not want to accept the truth and instead prefer to use same old lines to hide our heads in the sand and call anyone with a different opinion a traitor.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">خرکمر چیک پوسٹ کا بڑا سچ آخر سامنے آگیا، خرکمر چیک پوسٹ پر کیا ہوا؟ مسلح کون تھا؟ مقامی ذرائع نے کیاکہا سنیے <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GNN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GNN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/PashtunTM_Offi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PashtunTM_Offi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OfficialDGISPR</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GNNUpdates?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GNNUpdates</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakArmy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakArmy</a> <a href="https://t.co/EiSdwdbPYr">pic.twitter.com/EiSdwdbPYr</a></p>— GNN (@gnnhdofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/gnnhdofficial/status/1133427900772954112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Wazir and Dawar are elected by the people of Pakistan and it should be extremely concerning that they are being treated like this.

An independent commission must be formed to investigate this incident. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has already made this demand (https://www.dawn.com/news/1484906). Lets hope that it does not fall on deaf ears as clearly a large proportion of people are either being misled by Establishment backed media or otherwise do not wish to see the reality of the situation and prefer to be blindfolded.

Please answer.

What make Foreign media accurate?

Sure, they are elected, elected official shouldn't go attack military base, instead try to change the amend laws in parliament.

Stop fooling people.
 
Yes the difference is clear as night and day but unfortunately we do not want to accept the truth and instead prefer to use same old lines to hide our heads in the sand and call anyone with a different opinion a traitor.

where do you hide your head when you are exposed daily on this forum with your fake sympathy?
 
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Yes because TLP were not as ghaddar as PTM.

Maybe you've forgotten the below. Or maybe you aren't really familiar with politics in recent times

TLP leaders had threatened the Supreme Court judges who acquitted Asia Bibi, urging their cooks and servants to kill them, and called for the overthrow of the army chief, an unthinkable comment in Pakistan where the military is rarely criticized in public and the army normally does not tolerate such dissent.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ns-blasphemy-acquittal-get-bail-idUSKCN1SL04D

I don't think PTM has done anything similar.
 
Its really not that difficult, if Bill and Ted want local LEA's so that their local agents can go back to their thriving drug and weapons smuggling business all that have to do is table the motion in the national assembly. I am sure their erstwhile friends of convenience will support them with votes: try it. Thats how democracy works.
 
Wazir and Dawar are elected by the people of Pakistan and it should be extremely concerning that they are being treated like this.

An independent commission must be formed to investigate this incident. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has already made this demand (https://www.dawn.com/news/1484906). Lets hope that it does not fall on deaf ears as clearly a large proportion of people are either being misled by Establishment backed media or otherwise do not wish to see the reality of the situation and prefer to be blindfolded.

The problem is that you peoples do not have evidences that army started this while the other party is showing many videos, photos in which it is clear that PTM started this & being the offensive peoples. Honestly, these peoples are pashto version of MQM, lot of false propaganda, hue & cry, emotionalizing peoples with false tales, suspicious funding sources & I am sure soon they will start killing their own peoples & put their bodies in army's account. But I think you are not aware of the fact that Pakistani Establishment has become master to deal these things. One more thing, this is typical indian tarika-e-wardat & we are seeing this 70's. BTW I am neutral in this issue.
 
mirī bastī se pare bhī mire dushman hoñge

par yahāñ kab koī aġhyār kā lashkar utrā

āshnā haath hī aksar mirī jānib lapke

mere siine meñ sadā apnā hī ḳhanjar utrā
Tum nay her ehd main her nasal say ghadari ki..
Tum nay bazaron main aqloon ki khareedari ki.. Aaj tum mujh say meri jins e giran mangtay ho......
Harf e zehan o wafa dari e jan mangtay ho..
jaooo ye chez kisi madah sara say mangoo..
Taifay walon say dhoolak ki sada say mangoo..
Mujh say poocho gay tu khanjar say adou bolay ga..
Gardnain kaat bhi do gay tu lahoo bolay ga.
 
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you better tell us why the ef these peaceful protesters have guns in ther hands before spouting more ** against army.
 
Check Post Attack: Close aide reveals Mohsin Dawar was armed

ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) leader Dr Alam on Tuesday admitted that party leader and Member National Assembly (MNA) Mohsin Dawar came with an armed group when Kharqamar check post in, North Waziristan tribal district was attacked.

In his video interview, Dr Alam, who is a close aide of Mohsin Dawar, said the PTM leader was armed at the time of attack.

On the other hand, a video of PTM leader Ali Wazir provoking people to attack the check post has already been emerged.

On May 26, a group led by Members of the National Assembly (MNA) and Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) leaders Mohsin Javed and Ali Wazir had assaulted Kharqamar check post, Boyya, North Waziristan tribal district on Sunday.

They wanted to exert pressure for release of suspected terrorists’ facilitator arrested the other day, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement said.

Troops at the check post exercised maximum restraint in the face of provocation and direct firing on the post.

Due to firing of the group five Army soldiers sustained injuries injured. In exchange of fire three individuals who attacked the post lost their lives and 10 got injured.

All injured evacuated to Army Hospital for treatment. Ali Wazir along with 8 individuals have been arrested while Mohsin Javed is at large after inciting the crowd.

Ali Wazir remanded in CTD custody

On Monday, an Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) handed over Member National Assembly and Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) leader Ali Wazir to Counter-Terrorism Department (CTD) for eight days.

The PTM leader, who was arrested following an attack on Pakistan Army’s Kharqamar check post, Boyya, North Waziristan tribal district on Sunday, was presented before an Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) in Bannu.

During the proceedings, the court ordered to hand Ali Wazir over to the CTD for eight days after which he was transferred to Peshawar for further investigation.

Time is over

On April 30 while addressing a press conference, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General (DG) said that Indian and Afghan spy agencies provided financial assistance to Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) to stage protest in Pakistan and provoke people against the country’s armed forces.

He raised a few questions briefly to PTM leadership, pinpointing dates and location where they were provided the funds, adding that no one can fight with the state. He also questioned the PTM if they were part of Pakistan or Afghanistan.

While giving a message to the people of the tribal areas, the DG ISPR said, “Pakistan is yours and Pakistan Army is also yours, adding that the State stands by the people of tribal areas and wouldn’t rest until issues are resolved.”

Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor said: “The PTM’s time is over now, adding that they have enjoyed the liberty they wanted to but now their time is up.” "We want to do everything for the people of tribal areas, but those who are playing in the hands of people, their time is up. Their time is up," Maj Gen Ghafoor said.

He asked the PTM to tell why only those who speak in favour of Pakistan Army are killed, and asked why do you meet the people who speak against the army.

He further questioned which relative of PTM chief Manzoor Pushteen visited the Indian embassy in Afghanistan and how much money did RAW (India s Research and Analysis Wing) give you for Torkhum rally? “Why don’t the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) give statement in your favour and why do you meet all anti-Pakistan people abroad,” he asked.

“Tell us how much money did you get from the NDS (Afghan National Directorate of Security) to run your campaign? How much money did RAW (India s Research and Analysis Wing) give you for the first dharna in Islamabad?”

https://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/P...ck-Close-aide-reveals-Mohsin-Dawar-was-armed-
 
Tum nay her ehd main her nasal say ghadari ki..
Tum nay bazaron main aqloon ki khareedari ki.. Aaj tum mujh say meri jins e giran mangtay ho......
Harf e zehan o wafa dari e jan mangtay ho..
jaooo ye chez kisi madah sara say mangoo..
Taifay walon say dhoolak ki sada say mangoo..
Mujh say poocho gay tu khanjar say adou bolay ga..
Gardnain kaat bhi do gay tu lahoo bolay ga.


vafādārī pe de dī jaan ġhaddārī nahīñ aa.ī

hamāre ḳhuun meñ ab tak ye bīmārī nahīñ aa.ī

ḳhudā kā shukr sohbat kā asar hotā nahīñ ham par

adākāroñ meñ rah kar bhī adākārī nahīñ aa.ī


amīr-e-shahr ho kar bhī nahīñ koī tirī izzat

tire hisse meñ ġhairat aur ḳhuddārī nahīñ aa.ī

hamārī dars-gāhoñ kī nizāmat aisī bigḌī hai

kitābeñ paḌh ke bhī bachchoñ meñ hushyārī nahīñ aa.ī

lagā.ī aag us ne shahr meñ itnī safā.ī se

ki us ke ghar pe uḌ ke ik bhī chiñgārī nahīñ aa.ī


abhī se kis liye beTe ko bhejeñ naukrī karne

hamāre dast-o-pā meñ itnī lāchārī nahīñ aa.ī

maiñ nādānī pe apnī aaj tak hairān huuñ 'dānā'

ki duniyā ko samajhne kī samajhdārī nahīñ aa.ī
 
Let me say this for once., Pakistani Pashtuns aren't Afghans, anyone saying otherwise should go live in Kandahar. As DG ISPR rightly said that identity crises is a disease.
 
Let me say this for once., Pakistani Pashtuns aren't Afghans, anyone saying otherwise should go live in Kandahar. As DG ISPR rightly said that identity crises is a disease.

Pretty much spot on.

The Afghanis need a reality check to be honest.

Their country is rubble, with no economy.

Meanwhile in the real world Pakistan is glad to have millions of proud Pashtuns who have made us great from sports to armed forces. You can even see the pride in Shaheen when he plays for us and the only country I have seen him go nuts is against Afghanistan :))
 
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I hope cool heads prevail- the PTM is a Foreign funded scam but many of the issues and grievances are real and need to be looked into. What you can't have is a state within a state like with TTP or TLP.
 
I hope cool heads prevail- the PTM is a Foreign funded scam but many of the issues and grievances are real and need to be looked into. What you can't have is a state within a state like with TTP or TLP.

This amount of common sense will fly over bigots in this thread who dream of some fantasty greater Afghan eutopia.
 
This amount of common sense will fly over bigots in this thread who dream of some fantasty greater Afghan eutopia.

An old pic of the 'dream' and if i am not wrong the guy with a beard in it is Pashteen?

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An old pic of the 'dream' and if i am not wrong the guy with a beard in it is Pashteen?

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10 people around the flag.

So many like these are deluded. Like I said, our army is full of Pashtuns, we have so many Pashtuns everywhere at every level from leaders to army to our sporting heroes. We'd been broken up decades ago if they wanted separation. In reality none of them want to join the rubble town otherwise known as Afghanistan.
 
[MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION] can you confirm if this translated tweet is correct? According to the first line in the tweet looks like peaceful PTM is threatening Army again.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">"اگرعلی وزیر کا بال بھی بیکا ہوا تو تم فوجی وزیرستان سے زندہ نہیں نکلو گے ہم تمہیں سارے وطن میں ماریں گے"<br><br>جس پارلیمانی امپورٹڈ وراثتی لیڈر کو یقین نہی تھا کہ محسن داوڑ کیسے حملہ کر سکتا ہے<br>جوصحافی ریاست کوماں بننے کا ابھی بھی مشورہ دئےرہے<br><br>وہ یتیم مسکین داوڑ کواب گود لے لیں�� <a href="https://t.co/dtCV457B13">pic.twitter.com/dtCV457B13</a></p>— سمعیہ (@samiya_yasmine) <a href="https://twitter.com/samiya_yasmine/status/1133406898244476928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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How come most of the twitter accounts supporting PTM have their last name as Afghan or Pashteen?
 
[MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION] can you confirm if this translated tweet is correct? According to the first line in the tweet looks like peaceful PTM is threatening Army again.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">"اگرعلی وزیر کا بال بھی بیکا ہوا تو تم فوجی وزیرستان سے زندہ نہیں نکلو گے ہم تمہیں سارے وطن میں ماریں گے"<br><br>جس پارلیمانی امپورٹڈ وراثتی لیڈر کو یقین نہی تھا کہ محسن داوڑ کیسے حملہ کر سکتا ہے<br>جوصحافی ریاست کوماں بننے کا ابھی بھی مشورہ دئےرہے<br><br>وہ یتیم مسکین داوڑ کواب گود لے لیں�� <a href="https://t.co/dtCV457B13">pic.twitter.com/dtCV457B13</a></p>— سمعیہ (@samiya_yasmine) <a href="https://twitter.com/samiya_yasmine/status/1133406898244476928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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More khud kush hamle?
 
My 2 questions for PTM supporters:

Why every Pakistani pashtun who is not a supporter of PTM/Afghanistan is instantly called Gul Khan?

Why PTM leadership talk about peace in Urdu/English and give threats in Pashto?
 
All pashtuns are Afghans.

Afghan (also referred to as Afghanistani) (Pashto/Persian: افغان‎) refers to someone or something from Afghanistan, in particular a citizen of that country. Prior to the rise of the nation as Afghanistan, it was used by Persian speakers and those influenced by the Persian language to denote the Pashtun people. In modern times, Afghan is rarely used as an ethnic term for the Pashtuns, but is rather used as the national demonym for all citizens of Afghanistan, Pashtuns, and a large number of Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Aimaqs, Turkmens, Balochs, Nuristanis, Pashayis, Pamiris, Arabs, and others. According to the Encyclopædia Iranica, the word Afghan (afḡān) in current political usage means any citizen of Afghanistan, regardless of their tribal or religious affiliation. According to the 1964 Constitution of Afghanistan, all Afghans are equal in rights and obligations before the law The fourth article of the current Constitution of Afghanistan states that citizens of Afghanistan consist of Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Turkmen, Aimaq, Arab, Baluch, Pashayi, Nuristani, Qizilbash, Gurjar, Brahui, and members of other tribes.

So I ask you, are you as a Pashtun( assuming you are a pashtun) a citizen of Pakistan or a citizen of Afghanistan ?
 
Afghan (also referred to as Afghanistani) (Pashto/Persian: افغان‎) refers to someone or something from Afghanistan, in particular a citizen of that country. Prior to the rise of the nation as Afghanistan, it was used by Persian speakers and those influenced by the Persian language to denote the Pashtun people. In modern times, Afghan is rarely used as an ethnic term for the Pashtuns, but is rather used as the national demonym for all citizens of Afghanistan, Pashtuns, and a large number of Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Aimaqs, Turkmens, Balochs, Nuristanis, Pashayis, Pamiris, Arabs, and others. According to the Encyclopædia Iranica, the word Afghan (afḡān) in current political usage means any citizen of Afghanistan, regardless of their tribal or religious affiliation. According to the 1964 Constitution of Afghanistan, all Afghans are equal in rights and obligations before the law The fourth article of the current Constitution of Afghanistan states that citizens of Afghanistan consist of Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Turkmen, Aimaq, Arab, Baluch, Pashayi, Nuristani, Qizilbash, Gurjar, Brahui, and members of other tribes.

So I ask you, are you as a Pashtun( assuming you are a pashtun) a citizen of Pakistan or a citizen of Afghanistan ?

I don't care what you just copy and pasted from Google, my grandad would always say We are Afghans, All pashtuns are Afghans, that does not make me An Afghani nationalist, I am born in Pakistan and that is my country but My ethnicity is Afghan. Afghan and Pashtun are one and the same.
 
Traditionally, the term Afghan was reserved for Pashtuns. The first A (or Alif if you will) in Pakistan stands for Afghania, i.e the land of the Afghans or Pashtuns. Chaudhary Rehmat Ali certainly meant the lands populated by Afghans, i.e. Pashtuns, in British India. He did not mean it to imply the state of Afghanistan would be part of his proposed nation.

Labeling all citizens of Afghanistan as Afghans is a relatively recent development. If I remember correctly, it was only the constitutional change in the 1960s which extended the appellation to all citizens of the state of Afghanistan. If you read books prior to this, the Tajiks and other ethnicities were sometimes labeled non-Afghans, inspite of being full-fledged citizens. The name of the state itself holds a clear hint: the land of Afghans, which back then meant Pashtuns. They were the ones who formed it, starting from the Pashtun heartland around Kandahar, and subsequent conquests extended it.

In a nutshell, all Pashtuns are Afghan, if one goes by the historically correct definition. Not all Afghans are Pashtun, if by Afghan one means a citizen of Afghanistan.
 
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I hope cool heads prevail- the PTM is a Foreign funded scam but many of the issues and grievances are real and need to be looked into. What you can't have is a state within a state like with TTP or TLP.
That is what I mean, you have to deal with caution, use of force will lead you to the point of no return.
 
Yes all pashtuns are Afghan but it means Afghan race not country. Afghan is a race which most if us misunderstand.

Not sure if that is correct, my cousin married an Afghan girl (born and raised in Canada). She and her entire family speaks Farsi and zero Phusto. One of her older brothers speaks broken Phusto that he picked up when they briefly lived in Peshawar escaping from Soviet war.
 
So it's confirmed they were armed now waiting for the next excuse from PTM supporters and VOA...
 
Not sure if that is correct, my cousin married an Afghan girl (born and raised in Canada). She and her entire family speaks Farsi and zero Phusto. One of her older brothers speaks broken Phusto that he picked up when they briefly lived in Peshawar escaping from Soviet war.

Then she and her family are most likely not pashtuns, but they are Afghans as their country of origin is Afghanistan. That is the point that in modern times the term Afghan is used to refer to citizens of Afghanistan regardless of their race. So Pakistani pashtuns saying they are Afghans implies that they are citizens of Afghanistan, which is false.
 
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