MNAs Ali Wazir, Mohsin Dawar granted bail in Kharqamar attack case

[Syed1]

Then she and her family are most likely not pashtuns, but they are Afghans as their country of origin is Afghanistan. That is the point that in modern times the term Afghan is used to refer to citizens of Afghanistan regardless of their race. So Pakistani pashtuns saying they are Afghans implies that they are citizens of Afghanistan, which is false.

Just like a Pakistani can be a Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluchi, Pathan, Seraiki, Kashmiri, Urdu speaking etc etc, I'm pretty sure there is not a homogenous distinction of being an "Afghan". Brushing all "Afghans" as Pashtuns is like saying all Pakistani are Punjabi.

 

[WebGuru]

An old clip but a brilliant answer by General Ehsan ul Haq on this issue he is a proud Pakistani Pashtun from Mardan and an ex DG ISI and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff. Start watching from 2:00

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[Pakpak]

An old clip but a brilliant answer by General Ehsan ul Haq on this issue he is a proud Pakistani Pashtun from Mardan and an ex DG ISI and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff. Start watching from 2:00

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Sssshhhh don't show it to racists here like landofbravepeople! They are stuck in their little bigoted heads convinced of some mass conspiracy against Pashtuns when it truth we are all proud of our Pashtun brethren. Without them we wouldn't be the same nation.

 

[Loralai]

Yes all pashtuns are Afghan but it means Afghan race not country. Afghan is a race which most if us misunderstand.

This is what I have also been told. Surprised posters here are having difficulty understanding this.

 

[Pete Rose]

So, have Bill and Ted been found yet or are they still hiding/detained?

 

[Bewal Express]

PK belongs to all ethnicities. Our Pashtun brothers are integral part of PK and we must do everything to meet legitimate demands but the writ of the state should not be up for negotiation

 

[Zhasan]

I don't care what you just copy and pasted from Google, my grandad would always say We are Afghans, All pashtuns are Afghans, that does not make me An Afghani nationalist, I am born in Pakistan and that is my country but My ethnicity is Afghan. Afghan and Pashtun are one and the same.

My mother's family came from Herat and proudly claim to be Afghans, but they are not pukhtun.

As rightly pointed by others, if pukhtun are synonymous with being Afghans, pray tell who/what are the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Qizilbash, Nuristani, Pamiris, etc. of Afghanistan? Not Afghans?

But most importantly there is no such thing is race, we are all an amalgamation of certain mix of DNA. In the South Asian case, particularly northern India, Pakistan, Pukhtun areas in the eastern Afghanistan bordering Pakistan, the most dominant strain is Balochi. If anything, we are all Baloch, not afghans, nor pukhtun, nor punjabi or Sindhi (and I exclude urdu speakers since they are a very disparate group ethnically speaking).

 

[Musakhel]

My mother's family came from Herat and proudly claim to be Afghans, but they are not pukhtun.

As rightly pointed by others, if pukhtun are synonymous with being Afghans, pray tell who/what are the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Qizilbash, Nuristani, Pamiris, etc. of Afghanistan? Not Afghans?

But most importantly there is no such thing is race, we are all an amalgamation of certain mix of DNA. In the South Asian case, particularly northern India, Pakistan, Pukhtun areas in the eastern Afghanistan bordering Pakistan, the most dominant strain is Balochi. If anything, we are all Baloch, not afghans, nor pukhtun, nor punjabi or Sindhi (and I exclude urdu speakers since they are a very disparate group ethnically speaking).

They are what you just described them, tajiks are tajiks and Uzbek are Uzbek, so on and so forth, ibn batuta mentions in his travels people inhabiting eastern Afghanistan as Afghans, Ahmed Shah abdali did not invent this Term.

If a Pakistani lives in Britain he is British, but his ethnicity is not Anglo Saxon or whatever it is whatever his ethnicity is.

 

[Abdullah719]

MNA Mohsin Dawar taken into custody from North Waziristan

MNA Mohsin Dawar has been taken into custody by law enforcement personnel from Miranshah in North Waziristan, DawnNewsTV reported on Thursday.

According to informed sources, Dawar surrendered himself to the law and will be produced before an anti-terrorism court in Bannu for physical remand.

The arrest follows the Kharqamar clash on May 26, in which three people were killed and 15 others injured during an exchange of fire.

According to the Army's media wing, Dawar and MNA Ali Wazir — both leaders of the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) — were leading the group that "assaulted Kharqamar check post, Boyya, North Waziristan tribal district". "They wanted to exert pressure for the release of suspected terrorists' facilitator arrested the other day," the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) had said.

MNA Dawar and the PTM leadership, however, had denied that the group opened fire and accused the Army of initiating violence.

Following the clash, Ali Wazir and eight others were arrested and subsequently remanded into Counter-Terrorism Department custody while Dawar, who had received minor injuries during the Kharqamar incident, was declared "at large".

An FIR was registered against the lawmakers and seven others; the charges have been framed under 7ATA (Section 7 of the Anti Terrorism Act, 1997), Pakistan Penal Code 302 (murder), 324 (attempt to murder), 353 (assault or criminal force to deter public servant from discharge of his duty), 120b (criminal conspiracy), and 109 (abetment to an offence).

The FIR said the protesters hurled stones at the army post and that armed supporters of Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar attacked the security post and opened fire.

According to the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National Assembly 2007, "When a member is arrested on a criminal charge or for a criminal offence or is sentenced to imprisonment by a court of law or is detained under an executive order, the committing judge, magistrate or executive authority, as the case may be, shall immediately intimate such fact to the Speaker indicating the reasons for the arrest, detention or conviction, as the case may be, as also the place of detention or imprisonment of the member in the appropriate form set out in the Fourth Schedule."

The speaker should then inform the members of parliament about the development, according to Rule 105.

It is not yet clear whether the Speaker had been informed of Wazir and Dawar's arrest. Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan has been asked to look into the matter by Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1485493/mna-mohsin-dawar-taken-into-custody-from-north-waziristan

 

[Syed1]

I hope he is subjected to epic level of chitrol.

 

[saeed5646]

Good news .

 

[Asim_khan]

Need to let the law take its course from here on in. It's an open and shut case.

 

[Zhasan]

They are what you just described them, tajiks are tajiks and Uzbek are Uzbek, so on and so forth, ibn batuta mentions in his travels people inhabiting eastern Afghanistan as Afghans, Ahmed Shah abdali did not invent this Term.

If a Pakistani lives in Britain he is British, but his ethnicity is not Anglo Saxon or whatever it is whatever his ethnicity is.

Well in that case, calling oneself afghan and afghani are two different things, the latter would imply citizen of the country of Afghanistan, not necessarily afghan, aka pukhtun.

 

[Mian]

A statement by feminist groups being shared by a bloke. Same bloke a few tweets down is upset that Sushma Swaraj is leaving her position. And Wow, look at the pathetic numbers on that tweet. You seriously couldn't make it up.

I love how the statement is riddled with rumour and conjecture, and they admit as much.

Pakistani liberals are a laughing stock

 

[Mamoon]

Lies, baseless allegations, traitor certificates of Establishment and there stooges galore exposed.


13 innocent PTM followers and workers martyred by the state. DG ISPR had already warned that time is up for PTM since the state had planned massacre of Pashtun followers of PTM hence 13 dead bodies.



Now KP Government has announced Rs. 2.5 million for martyred innocent Pakistani civilians and 1.5 million each for those injured.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1485926/k...ompensation-for-affectees-of-khar-qamar-clash



Clearly state never compensates terrorists and traitors. No ???



All available footages expose the truth wrt this massacre.



Yes [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] what is your new point of view ?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you have been vindicated once more. Alhamdoulillah.

Propaganda, no matter how strong, will always lose out to truth in the end. Our people are slow to learn but eventually they do learn.

 

[DRsohail]

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Propaganda, no matter how strong, will always lose out to truth in the end. Our people are slow to learn but eventually they do learn.

we cant learn and will never learn in order to rectify out mistakes, you can see frim the posts above, No hope.

 

[Abdullah719]

PHC declares detention of seven PTM activists illegal

PESHAWAR: A Peshawar High Court bench has declared as illegal the detention of seven members of the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) by the district administration of Tank and South Waziristan districts and ordered their release, if not required in any other case.

The two-member bench, consisting of Justice Mussarat Hilali and Justice Ishtiaq Ibrahim, on Friday accepted writ petitions filed by the detainees challenging their detention under section 3 of the MPO by the two deputy commissioners concerned.

The petitioners are: Arif Wazir, Abdullah Nangyal, Rehmat Shah Mehsud, Idress Pashteen, Bilal Pashteen, Zubair Wazir and Yousaf Mehsud.

Both deputy commissioners had invoked section 3 of the MPO on different dates and ordered detention of the petitioners for one month.

The administrations of Tank and South Waziristan claimed that the petitioners were acting in a manner prejudicial to public peace and tranquillity.

Senior counsel Shahab Khattak appeared for the petitioners and contended that the deputy commissioners had overstepped their powers under the MPO. He argued that the two DCs had not applied their “independent minds” and instead issued “stereotyped orders” under section 3 of the MPO.

Mr Khattak argued that the impugned orders were in violation of fundamental rights guaranteed in the constitution. He contended that in case of any violation of a law, the state agencies were at liberty to register FIRs against a suspect, but they cannot deprive any citizen of his liberty, freedom of movement and expression.

In case of violation of any law or commission of any penal offence, the government could adopt a legal recourse, but any such detention under MPO on “pretext of prevention was beyond the law”.

Mr Khattak said the administration’s contention that the detainees belonged to PTM was not a valid ground for detention.

The PTM was neither a proscribed organisation nor was it a terrorist outfit, Mr Khattak observed.

He argued that merely being a member of an organisation was not a crime which could attract section 3 of the MPO.

The counsel contended that all these impugned orders were politically motivated and not based on facts.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1495120/phc-declares-detention-of-seven-ptm-activists-illegal

 

[Abdullah719]

MNAs Ali Wazir, Mohsin Dawar granted bail in Kharqamar attack case

Peshawar High Court's Bannu bench on Wednesday accepted the bail pleas of lawmakers Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar in the Kharqamar attack case.

Justice Nasir Mehmood, who heard the bail applications of Dawar and Wazir in Bannu, asked the MNAs to report to police once a month.

They will be released after legal formalities are completed. The MNAs have been asked to provide surety bonds worth Rs1 million each.

"The bench has given us conditional bail," said Abdul Latif Afridi, the lawyer representing the MNAs, adding that the Anti-Terrorism Law 21-D allows a judge to impose certain conditions on admission to bail.

"The judge gave a verbal order; we are waiting for the written one," Afridi told Dawn.

The two MNAs, who are leaders of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM), were initially charged in an FIR registered at the Counter Terro*rism Department (CTD) police station, Bannu, on May 26 after a clash between PTM members and Army personnel near the Kharqamar check post in North Waziristan, which had resulted in the deaths of 13 persons and injuries to several others.

Separately, they were charged in the instant case registered on June 7 at the CTD police station, Bannu, after an improvised explosive device (IED) exploded on a road in Doga Macha, North Waziristan, when an Army convoy was passing through the area. The blast had left four Army officials — a lieutenant colonel, a major, a captain and a lance havildar — martyred.

A Bannu anti terrorism court last month had granted bail to the PTM leaders in the second case pertaining to the blast in Doga Macha.

Both Wazir and Dawar were already in CTD custody at the time of the IED blast ─ they had been arrested following the May 26 Kharqamar checkpost attack. Wazir had been taken into custody the day of the attack, while Dawar surrendered himself to security forces a few days later.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1505918/mnas-ali-wazir-mohsin-dawar-granted-bail-in-kharqamar-attack-case

 

[Abdullah719]

Govt seeks to withdraw cases against PTM leaders

The federal government has moved an application in a Khyber Pakhtunkwa (K-P) court to withdraw the cases it had filed last year against the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) leaders after an attack on a security checkpoint in North Waziristan tribal district.

A group of people on May 26, 2019 assaulted Kharqamar check post in Boya area of North Waziristan to forcibly secure the release a terrorists’ facilitator triggering a fire exchange which resulted in multiple casualties, the military had said in a statement.

Thirteen assailants had lost their lives in the attack which also left 15 people, among them five soldiers, wounded. MNAs Ali Wazir and Mohsin Javed Dawar had led the group of assailants.

The authorities had later filed an FIR at the Counter-Terrorism Department (CTD) Police Station at Bannu Range against multiple PTM workers including Dawar and Wazir under different sections of the Pakistan Penal Code, Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance and Section 7 of the Anti-Terrorism Act.

However, according to a new report, the government on March 16 filed an application in Bannu’s antiterrorism court (ATC) saying it wants to withdraw the case. The report said the government has filed the application through Bannu district public prosecutor and ATC Bannu's senior public prosecutor.

The Islamabad district commissioner on September 24, 2019 also withdrew an anti-terrorism case against 37 PTM activists, who were booked for arranging protests against the state institutions and government agencies.

The FIR had been lodged with Islamabad’s Kohsar police against PTM workers for shouting slogans against the army and Pakistan. According to the FIR, PTM workers had held a gathering at cricket stadium in Swabi’s Shah Mansoor Town without getting permission from the authorities.

In the rally, the PTM chief Manzoor Pashteen and others had reportedly made contemptuous statements against state institutions.

On January 27, Pashteen was arrested and sent to jail by a judicial magistrate in Peshawar on basis of an FIR registered against him on January 18 in DI Khan on a slew of charges.

He was released a month later on February 25.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2254287/govt-seeks-to-withdraw-cases-against-ptm-leaders