Moeen Ali claims an Australia player called him 'Osama' during 2015 Ashes

[Gabbar Singh]

 

[Hitman]

^^ Unbelievable.

 

[Abdullah719]

England all-rounder Moeen Ali has claimed he suffered a racial taunt from an unnamed Australian player during the 2015 Ashes.

Birmingham-born Moeen, a Muslim who is of Pakistani and English heritage, had already spoken of the racist abuse he received from Australian supporters in last winter's Ashes.

However, in his autobiography, Moeen, to be published later this month and which is being serialised by The Times, the 31-year-old admits to being targeted by an Australian player during the first Test at Cardiff in 2015, which England won by 169 runs, with Moeen scoring 77 in the first innings and taking five wickets in the match.

"It was a great first Ashes Test in terms of my personal performance," he recalls in the book, "however there was one incident which had distracted me. An Australian player had turned to me on the field and said, 'Take that, Osama' [a reference to Islamic terrorist Osama Bin Laden]. I could not believe what I had heard. I remember going really red. I have never been so angry on a cricket field.

Moeen discussed the incident with several of his team-mates, and believed that England coach Trevor Bayliss raised it with his Australian counterpart, Darren Lehmann.

The player denied making the remark, claiming he had said “Take that, you part-timer.” Moeen said he was amused. "I had to take the player’s word for it, though for the rest of the match I was angry."

Moeen spoke to the player at the end of the series, which England won 3-2, and his opponent denied saying "Osama" and claimed that some of his best friends were Muslim.

Moeen claims he came in for further racial abuse last winter during the second Ashes Test in Adelaide while he was fielding, although it was from spectators, with one shouting 'when is your kebab shop opening?’ At the time, Moeen dismissed the jeering as "nothing much".

Moeen struggled for form last winter but has been rejuvenated during the series victory over India this summer, sharing two crucial partnerships with Alastair Cook when batting at No 3 in the final Test against India at the Oval. Moeen, however, would prefer to bat lower down the order.

“I’d love to bat five if I had a choice. I got a couple of hundreds in India, one at five, one at four. I’d love to bat up there and be the second spinner,” Moeen said in a question-and-answer session with The Daily Telegraph, when launching his cricket legacy programme for young people in partnership with the Sport Legacy Foundation in Birmingham. On Saturday, Moeen will captain Worcestershire in the county’s first appearance at T20 finals day.

Moeen's partnerships with Cook in his farewell Test were worth 73 and 35. Moeen noticed the freedom with which Cook batted during his 33rd and last Test century, 147, before comparing the captaincies of Cook and his successor Joe Root.

“In the first innings, I was certain he was going to get a hundred the way he was playing, so I felt if I can stay in it would be great to be with him, but obviously he got out [for 71],” Moeen said. “His thing was he didn’t want to get zero in either innings.

“The way he went about his training that week, it just shows when the pressure’s off how much you can perform. I thought he was excellent in both innings, he played like when he was in the form of his life. Once he got off the mark he was in the zone, and the mental side of things was just correct and his feet were moving like we haven’t seen probably for a couple of years.

“I remember Peter Moores [former England head coach] saying you should play every game as if it was your first or last game, and that’s exactly what he did.”

For his pains in taking over four hours to score 50 in England’s first innings at the Oval, Moeen was compared by his team-mates to Geoffrey Boycott – “guys were getting stuck into me” – but Moeen got his own back with a joke at Cook’s expense. “At least when Geoffrey blocked it, he got a bat on it. I managed to miss a lot of mine. I said to the coach [Trevor Bayliss] after, for an instant I felt like Alastair Cook for his whole career.

“The difference between the two captains is: Rooty is all about let’s go out there and put pressure on them, not carefree or anything but it’s all about scoring runs. Cooky was all about earning the right, fight for runs, grind them down and build partnerships and get the bowlers tired – almost the opposite.

“He [Cook] was my first captain and I found him great for me personally – first of all he never dropped me!”

Root dropped Moeen in New Zealand after his unsuccessful tour of Australia but Moeen admitted it came “as a relief.”

In the rest of his Q&A session Moeen said that Tests were his “favourite format”; that in the fourth Test at Southampton he had been more patient than ever before as a spinner, ready to wait for 16 overs in India’s second innings for his first wicket, before finishing with nine in the game and the player-of-the-match award; and stressed the importance of cricketing role models going to schools, as he was inspired by a visit to his school by Warwickshire batsman Asif Din.

Moeen also looked ahead to the inauguration by the ECB of the Hundred competition in 2020 as an ideal way of involving cricketers from the British Afghan community, whose keenness has impressed him. “When you look now who plays cricket [in council parks] it’s the Afghani community playing.

“I’d get the superstars like Rashid Khan and Mohammad Nabi and pay them to go and play with them in the parks and almost invite them to come to a training session, or run a month’s camp where they can get the equipment and train,” Moeen said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/09/14/moeen-ali-love-bat-five-england-had-choice/

 

[JattMaula]

This is truly despicable. What has Aussie team become on field?

 

[Bilal7]

Well, he was explosive during that match so maybe it was a compliment?

I have a hunch who the Aussie in question might be but it speaks wonders for Ali's personality that he does not want to name and shame them.

 

[BaankeJi]

Well, he was explosive during that match so maybe it was a compliment?

I have a hunch who the Aussie in question might be but it speaks wonders for Ali's personality that he does not want to name and shame them.

He can't because he cannot prove anything. Maligning someone publicly without any proof will backfire big time.
He knows it very well.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

And he remembers it at the end of 2018 to make a fuss out of it ???

Sorry just playing to the galleries now.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That's terrible if true. But I think only 1 Aussie player would've been stupid enough to call him that and we all know who that is Completely support moeen Bhai on this.

 

[Madplayer]

And he remembers it at the end of 2018 to make a fuss out of it ???

Sorry just playing to the galleries now.

"Moeen discussed the incident with several of his team-mates, and believed that England coach Trevor Bayliss raised it with his Australian counterpart, Darren Lehmann."

 

[Dr_Bassim]

"Moeen discussed the incident with several of his team-mates, and believed that England coach Trevor Bayliss raised it with his Australian counterpart, Darren Lehmann."

It wasn't even raised in 2015.

Even if they had a United Nations Conference on the issue then, it was kept in the hush.

Why raised now?

 

[Madplayer]

It wasn't even raised in 2015.

Even if they had a United Nations Conference on the issue then, it was kept in the hush.

Why raised now?

I am sorry but have you never talked about a past experience in your life? It isnt uncommon at all to talk about something that happened in the past.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Seems suspicious, why is he coming up with this after 3 years? I hope h doesn't become a drama queen.

 

[cricketindiafan]

So Moeen got racially abused, raised it with ECB and yet no action was taken other than a discussion between England and Australian coaches? Pathetic from ECB, CA and ICC. What happened to their own guidelines and policies against any form of racism in cricket?

 

[Snowflake]

And he remembers it at the end of 2018 to make a fuss out of it ???

Sorry just playing to the galleries now.

Where is the fuss? Just recalling an incident which he thought was over the line. Is he calling for any heads to roll?

 

[kingusama92]

That remark wouldn't work on me.

 

[volcyz]

Autobiographies always need some spicy controversies to get them to sell well

 

[Varun]

Seems suspicious, why is he coming up with this after 3 years? I hope h doesn't become a drama queen.

He is putting out a book, apparently.

Dated controversy or no controversy, I don't know why he is bothering. Nobody reads books these days, leave alone yawnfest sportsmen's autobiographies.

 

[AFM]

And he remembers it at the end of 2018 to make a fuss out of it ???

Sorry just playing to the galleries now.

It's an excerpt from his upcoming autobiography

 

[happydavy]

That's terrible and ECB is to be blamed for not bringing the charge on the Australian player, even if that would have meant player eventually denying it and getting away scot free. But u gotta shame such people in public, doesn't matter if on basis of technicality you are unable to prove it in court.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It's an excerpt from his upcoming autobiography

I see.

Then he absolutely has to say it, for his autobiography to sell.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I am sorry but have you never talked about a past experience in your life? It isnt uncommon at all to talk about something that happened in the past.

Not in the form of a book.

I must say he's got a selling point now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So a blatantly racist and islamophobic comment was brushed under the carpet.

ECB should answer why.

 

[The Googly]

It wasn't even raised in 2015.

Even if they had a United Nations Conference on the issue then, it was kept in the hush.

Why raised now?

Perfectly valid reason. These are extracts from his book that is just about to be released. Quite normal for new revelations to be released in an autobiography. I’m sure you will agree that Moeen is not a liar or a drama queen. He’s an unassuming and modest man. His book had to have some new stuff and this story is an example. Better to focus on the story rather then look for fires which aren’t there.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Perfectly valid reason. These are extracts from his book that is just about to be released. Quite normal for new revelations to be released in an autobiography. I’m sure you will agree that Moeen is not a liar or a drama queen. He’s an unassuming and modest man. His book had to have some new stuff and this story is an example. Better to focus on the story rather then look for fires which aren’t there.

I doubt he is lying and I didn't claim he is.

I just didn't know why he is repeating it now, and apparently, it's the book's selling point.

It makes sense.

I had nothing against him and now after hearing it's for his book, I have even less against him because he needs to sell the book.

 

[ameemlutfi]

Lol. It’s nothing more than a mention . Almost all of what he wrote about the incident has been published . It’s not a juicy teaser that would leave people wanting more. Also, if you think professional sportsmen write books to make money then you have no idea how the publishing industry work . Non fiction writers hardly make any money from sales. Probably less than what he could make from a few days in some random league .

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This is outrageous.

Human stupidity knows no bounds. An embarrassing moment for the great game.

Some of Aussies are on par with Southern USAmericans

 

[Madplayer]

Not in the form of a book.

I must say he's got a selling point now.

I agree that its part of marketting.

 

[MenInG]

So a blatantly racist and islamophobic comment was brushed under the carpet.

ECB should answer why.

And why didnt Moeen make a big deal of it then?

 

[Mamoon]

Not the first or the last time he has played the victim card, but stuff like this is necessary to sell his book.

Compared to Amla, Moeen clearly plays the religion angle more. From showing solidarity with the Palestinians on the field to talking about his background in every interview (have heard his backstory of struggling in inner Birmingham a thousand times now, and viola, here comes the book to shed further light on it).

He also seems to be discriminated over and over again as if he is the only Muslim cricketer playing in a pre-dominantly non-Muslim team, but I guess all these distractions are necessary to deviate from the fact that more often than not, he doesn’t perform well enough to merit a permanent place in the team.

On the contrary, you won’t really hear a word from Amla about the challenges that he faced when he tried to break into the South African cricket setup, or the discrimination that he has faced from evil teams like Australia etc., and nor was he found showing solidarity to the Palestinians on the field.

He has played far longer than Moeen and was far more successful as well, so there is no doubt that if Moeen had to face some discrimination, he must have to deal with it as well, but he prefers not to sing about it.

He has refrained from selling his faith and has managed to keep entirely private, and that is how it should be. Of course the only controversy was the Dean Jones comment, but that was heard by everyone on-air and Amla did not make an issue out of it.

Not sure if he will be realasinf a book any time soon to list the number of times he has been discriminated against. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual mindset - Moeen thrives in victimizing himself, Amla doesn’t.

 

[MenInG]

Not the first or the last time he has played the victim card, but stuff like this is necessary to sell his book.

Compared to Amla, Moeen clearly plays the religion angle more. From showing solidarity with the Palestinians on the field to talking about his background in every interview (have heard his backstory of struggling in inner Birmingham a thousand times now, and viola, here comes the book to shed further light on it).

He also seems to be discriminated over and over again as if he is the only Muslim cricketer playing in a pre-dominantly non-Muslim team, but I guess all these distractions are necessary to deviate from the fact that more often than not, he doesn’t perform well enough to merit a permanent place in the team.

On the contrary, you won’t really hear a word from Amla about the challenges that he faced when he tried to break into the South African cricket setup, or the discrimination that he has faced from evil teams like Australia etc., and nor was he found showing solidarity to the Palestinians on the field.

He has played far longer than Moeen and was far more successful as well, so there is no doubt that if Moeen had to face some discrimination, he must have to deal with it as well, but he prefers not to sing about it.

He has refrained from selling his faith and has managed to keep entirely private, and that is how it should be. Of course the only controversy was the Dean Jones comment, but that was heard by everyone on-air and Amla did not make an issue out of it.

Not sure if he will be realasinf a book any time soon to list the number of times he has been discriminated against. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual mindset - Moeen thrives in victimizing himself, Amla doesn’t.

Why should that be held against him? Every person has their own personal goals in life. If Moeen has the temerity to stand up against some issues which bother him - all power to him.

Not all people subscribe to the slave mentality.

 

[Big Mac]

Moeen spoke to the player at the end of the series, which England won 3-2, and his opponent denied saying "Osama" and claimed that some of his best friends were Muslim.

 

[InziRules]

Not the first or the last time he has played the victim card, but stuff like this is necessary to sell his book.

Compared to Amla, Moeen clearly plays the religion angle more. From showing solidarity with the Palestinians on the field to talking about his background in every interview (have heard his backstory of struggling in inner Birmingham a thousand times now, and viola, here comes the book to shed further light on it).

He also seems to be discriminated over and over again as if he is the only Muslim cricketer playing in a pre-dominantly non-Muslim team, but I guess all these distractions are necessary to deviate from the fact that more often than not, he doesn’t perform well enough to merit a permanent place in the team.

On the contrary, you won’t really hear a word from Amla about the challenges that he faced when he tried to break into the South African cricket setup, or the discrimination that he has faced from evil teams like Australia etc., and nor was he found showing solidarity to the Palestinians on the field.

He has played far longer than Moeen and was far more successful as well, so there is no doubt that if Moeen had to face some discrimination, he must have to deal with it as well, but he prefers not to sing about it.

He has refrained from selling his faith and has managed to keep entirely private, and that is how it should be. Of course the only controversy was the Dean Jones comment, but that was heard by everyone on-air and Amla did not make an issue out of it.

Not sure if he will be realasinf a book any time soon to list the number of times he has been discriminated against. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual mindset - Moeen thrives in victimizing himself, Amla doesn’t.

Considering Moeen is the best spinner in England, the rest of your post isn't even worth reading. As for you, continue blaming victims if it gives you any joy

 

[Mamoon]

Considering Moeen is the best spinner in England, the rest of your post isn't even worth reading. As for you, continue blaming victims if it gives you any joy

Moeen might be the best spinner in the England, but he has been in and out of the team because of his inconsistency, and he was last dropped because he was bullied by the big bad Australians.

I am not blaming the victim here - I am simply stating that he appears to thrive in such situations. The guy has played international cricket for 4 years now, while Amla has played for 14. However, poor Moeen has already been discriminated ten times more.

 

[InziRules]

Moeen might be the best spinner in the England, but he has been in and out of the team because of his inconsistency, and he was last dropped because he was bullied by the big bad Australians.

I am not blaming the victim here - I am simply stating that he appears to thrive in such situations. The guy has played international cricket for 4 years now, while Amla has played for 14. However, poor Moeen has already been discriminated ten times more.

So just because one person stays quiet, everyone should just lay down and take it?

 

[Mamoon]

So just because one person stays quiet, everyone should just lay down and take it?

The person who has opted to stay quiet has been a world class cricketer, while the person who is making noise has been pretty average.

I think if Moeen was actually very good, he wouldn’t have had to cry wolf and play the victim card often.

 

[the_outsider]

So just because one person stays quiet, everyone should just lay down and take it?

He is doing neither though.

Neither is he strong enough to just ignore it like Amla did nor did he have the stomach to fight back the Aussies when the incident actually happened.

What happened (IF it happened) was wrong but now it seems Moeen is only bringing it up to sell his books. It brings his credibility into question.

 

[MenInG]

He is doing neither though.

Neither is he strong enough to just ignore it like Amla did nor did he have the stomach to fight back the Aussies when the incident actually happened.

What happened (IF it happened) was wrong but now it seems Moeen is only bringing it up to sell his books. It brings his credibility into question.

There is no statute of limitations in this. There could have been many reasons such as him new to his career etc at that point.

We need to concentrate on the wrong here and not worry about whether he is selling books etc

 

[the_outsider]

There is no statute of limitations in this. There could have been many reasons such as him new to his career etc at that point.

We need to concentrate on the wrong here and not worry about whether he is selling books etc

It is not possible to ignore the fact that this information is coming out along with the release of his book.

I'm sure we have all seen sensationalist pieces in books written by other cricketers and we have seen how that helps the sale.

Yes, officially, there is no statute of limitation on this. But one has to wonder why there was never a single report recorded on this incident even though ICC takes a very hard stand against racism.

 

[MenInG]

It is not possible to ignore the fact that this information is coming out along with the release of his book.

I'm sure we have all seen sensationalist pieces in books written by other cricketers and we have seen how that helps the sale.

Yes, officially, there is no statute of limitation on this. But one has to wonder why there was never a single report recorded on this incident even though ICC takes a very hard stand against racism.

Those are fair questions and for something to Moeen to explain but IMO not right to doubt the intentions of the victim of any sort of abuse,

 

[the_outsider]

Those are fair questions and for something to Moeen to explain but IMO not right to doubt the intentions of the victim of any sort of abuse,

No. I am certainly not outright disbelieving Moeen. I can definitely see at least one particular Australian team member who may make racial comments.

But Mo has some difficult questions to answer himself. As does the ECB and ICC.

If a racist comment made on the field of play was indeed swept under the rug by the ECB, CA and ICC then that is a serious, serious problem.

 

[MenInG]

Cricket Australia is to investigate claims made by England all-rounder Moeen Ali that an Australian player called him 'Osama' during the 2015 Ashes.

England were hosts for the series and won it 3-2 to regain the Ashes.

Moeen, 31, has made the accusation in his soon to be released autobiography.

"Remarks of this nature are unacceptable and have no place in our sport, or in society," said a Cricket Australia spokesperson.

"We have a clear set of values and behaviours that comes with representing our country.

"We take this matter very seriously, and are following up with the ECB (England and Wales Cricket Board) as a matter of urgency to seek further clarification around the alleged incident."

In an extract of Moeen's book in The Times, he said: "An Australian player had turned to me on the field and said, 'Take that, Osama'. I could not believe what I had heard.

"I remember going really red. I have never been so angry on a cricket field.

"I told a couple of the guys what the player had said to me and I think Trevor Bayliss [the England coach] must have raised it with Darren Lehmann, the Australians' coach.

"Lehmann asked the player, 'Did you call Moeen Osama'?" He denied it, saying, 'No, I said, 'Take that, you part-timer'."

The alleged slur appears to be a reference to Islamic terrorist Osama Bin Laden. Moeen, who was born in Birmingham, is a Muslim of Pakistani and English heritage.

Moeen claimed the incident happened during the first Test, where he scored 77 runs and took five wickets as England beat Australia by 169 runs at Cardiff.



https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/45532699

 

[James]

Outrageous remarks from [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ! Come on man this is not on.

If the allegation made by Ali is true - disgraceful and disgusting stuff.

 

[Hamad_H]

The person who has opted to stay quiet has been a world class cricketer, while the person who is making noise has been pretty average.

I think if Moeen was actually very good, he wouldn’t have had to cry wolf and play the victim card often.

So if you get racially abused, it is OK and you should accept it if you're not world class at your job and you shouldn't complain is what I am seeing from your posts. Racial abuse is racial abuse no matter how good of a cricketer you are.

Raising awareness is important so people don't try it again. Maybe the Aussies have been abusing Amla for years but him keeping quiet has led to them believing it is OK to abuse other Muslim players as well since they don't get caught. Now at least you know they will keep quiet as this is now public. Maybe he has complained to the CSA and they have done nothing so he couldn't be bothered to report any more abuse he faces. We don't know what goes on off the pitch.

Yes, controversy sells books very well but autobiographies are about giving the reader an insight in what goes on outside of what you normally see them doing, things we don't know about them.

Blame doesn't lie with Moeen, it lies with ECB and CA since they were informed at the time of the incident and nothing happened. Maybe he didn't make noise publicly at the time since he believed in ECB and CA to take action and he didn't want to publicly embarrass the player as he felt the authorities should've taken the issue further. We don't know what goes on off the pitch.

 

[The Googly]

Not the first or the last time he has played the victim card, but stuff like this is necessary to sell his book.

Compared to Amla, Moeen clearly plays the religion angle more. From showing solidarity with the Palestinians on the field to talking about his background in every interview (have heard his backstory of struggling in inner Birmingham a thousand times now, and viola, here comes the book to shed further light on it).

He also seems to be discriminated over and over again as if he is the only Muslim cricketer playing in a pre-dominantly non-Muslim team, but I guess all these distractions are necessary to deviate from the fact that more often than not, he doesn’t perform well enough to merit a permanent place in the team.

On the contrary, you won’t really hear a word from Amla about the challenges that he faced when he tried to break into the South African cricket setup, or the discrimination that he has faced from evil teams like Australia etc., and nor was he found showing solidarity to the Palestinians on the field.

He has played far longer than Moeen and was far more successful as well, so there is no doubt that if Moeen had to face some discrimination, he must have to deal with it as well, but he prefers not to sing about it.

He has refrained from selling his faith and has managed to keep entirely private, and that is how it should be. Of course the only controversy was the Dean Jones comment, but that was heard by everyone on-air and Amla did not make an issue out of it.

Not sure if he will be realasinf a book any time soon to list the number of times he has been discriminated against. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual mindset - Moeen thrives in victimizing himself, Amla doesn’t.

Sadly - unlike you , he has human failings. Not everyone can match up to the perfect standards you set. Please forgive the rest of us mere mortals. It must be incredibly difficult for you to to keep coming across individuals who cannot match your superior expectations.

I apologise on behalf of the lower human race sir. In the meantime, please form a club or gymkhana called the “The Perfect People Society” so you can meet your fellow perfectionists.

 

[kingusama92]

The person who has opted to stay quiet has been a world class cricketer, while the person who is making noise has been pretty average.

I think if Moeen was actually very good, he wouldn’t have had to cry wolf and play the victim card often.

Racism is racism.

A) We don't know whether Amla has faced racism on the field
B) It shouldn't matter!

Moeen's ability as a cricketer has no place in this discussion.

In fact, this is something the ACB should investigate considering its squad has a Muslim athlete (Usman Khawaja). If such comments are hurled at opposing players, perhaps it's spreading throughout the dressing room too? Not a good look at all and it should have been addressed immediately (if true).

 

[barah_admi]

Seems suspicious, why is he coming up with this after 3 years? I hope h doesn't become a drama queen.

You do understand this is based on his autobiography and autobiographies are designed to talk about the past.

I mean, where is your common sense?

 

[The Googly]

Racism is racism.

A) We don't know whether Amla has faced racism on the field
B) It shouldn't matter!

Moeen's ability as a cricketer has no place in this discussion.

In fact, this is something the ACB should investigate considering its squad has a Muslim athlete (Usman Khawaja). If such comments are hurled at opposing players, perhaps it's spreading throughout the dressing room too? Not a good look at all and it should have been addressed immediately (if true).

I think our resident critic has no clue about racism and living in s foreign country so it is pointless debating that with him. I admonished myself for taking the bait to his gibberish but couldn’t help it. I’ve tried ignore him for a few days but the constant whinging, moaning, crying, wailing gets to you. Him complaining about someone else moaning is rather ironic.

 

[Kaka4pope]

For Moeen, it may well just have been an anecdote, media apparatus will take it from there - pretty tacky comment from who ever said it. Oz cricketers can be like that, as can many, they seem to revel in it though.

 

[Hawkeye]

Victim shaming should be avoided.

It's also true he has to sell his book, so things like this would be released to create some hype.

But the hype is right, bringing attention to a valid racism issue.

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] when victims of other racist attacks tell their stories years later, you would not have any problem with that would you?

 

[Minnowbasher]

So a blatantly racist and islamophobic comment was brushed under the carpet.

ECB should answer why.

More than ECB I think CA should have done something about it. They have had a long history of racially abusing players and this needs to stop.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Im surprised that the ECB has hushed this up. Im sure they, just like Mike Proctor, took the word of the Australians in good faith. They play the sport in the right spirit and no wonder they vote as a bloc at the ICC . Birds of a feather....

 

[MenInG]

Outrageous remarks from [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ! Come on man this is not on.

If the allegation made by Ali is true - disgraceful and disgusting stuff.

Think the issue for some is more about him being a Muslim of some Pakistani origin

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Disgusting.I have a hunch who this player is and his 'muslim friends' are.ECB and both team managements should answer why this matter was brushed under the carpet.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Victim shaming should be avoided.

It's also true he has to sell his book, so things like this would be released to create some hype.

But the hype is right, bringing attention to a valid racism issue.

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] when victims of other racist attacks tell their stories years later, you would not have any problem with that would you?

I have no issue with it already.

I don't think many would write books to make their point, though.

But he has to sell the book.

I believe him because he seems an upright guy, but I also do believe this story sells more and that's why it's in his book.

If it was just another victim story, he would not have timed it with his book.

 

[topspin]

Not the first or the last time he has played the victim card, but stuff like this is necessary to sell his book.

Compared to Amla, Moeen clearly plays the religion angle more. From showing solidarity with the Palestinians on the field to talking about his background in every interview (have heard his backstory of struggling in inner Birmingham a thousand times now, and viola, here comes the book to shed further light on it).

He also seems to be discriminated over and over again as if he is the only Muslim cricketer playing in a pre-dominantly non-Muslim team, but I guess all these distractions are necessary to deviate from the fact that more often than not, he doesn’t perform well enough to merit a permanent place in the team.

On the contrary, you won’t really hear a word from Amla about the challenges that he faced when he tried to break into the South African cricket setup, or the discrimination that he has faced from evil teams like Australia etc., and nor was he found showing solidarity to the Palestinians on the field.

He has played far longer than Moeen and was far more successful as well, so there is no doubt that if Moeen had to face some discrimination, he must have to deal with it as well, but he prefers not to sing about it.

He has refrained from selling his faith and has managed to keep entirely private, and that is how it should be. Of course the only controversy was the Dean Jones comment, but that was heard by everyone on-air and Amla did not make an issue out of it.

Not sure if he will be realasinf a book any time soon to list the number of times he has been discriminated against. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual mindset - Moeen thrives in victimizing himself, Amla doesn’t.

If you were based in the west I think you would appreciate Moeen coming out because it's something that many of us Western based Muslims can actually relate too, rather than seeing it as some random sob story. His performances or your assessment of him as a cricketer don't hold a place in a discussion of racial abuse.

I appreciate your not a fan of him as a cricketer but once again your preferences have clouded your judgement in respect to your post.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

You do understand this is based on his autobiography and autobiographies are designed to talk about the past.

I mean, where is your common sense?

I don't need common sense to see thid could possibly be a publicity stunt. I hope his claims are true, if not he will be a another liar with a victim card.

 

[BaankeJi]

I believe Moeen but he has no proof. Now cricket Australia has come into picture and rightly so. They cannot allow another blot on their players even if unnamed.
Things can become tough for Moeen.

 

[aloo paratha]

This is truly despicable. What has Aussie team become on field?

Become? This isn't anything new.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And why didnt Moeen make a big deal of it then?

If Moeen informed the ECB then it was the ECB's job to make the right moves. If ECB hushed up the matter then its easy to understand why Moeen didnot go againist his employer.

 

[Hitman]

And all this started under their most famous captain Ian Chappell's leadership from 70' to 75'. Funny how Chappeli was saying a few years ago how he was against sledging.

Bagal mein churi, mun'h mein Ram-Ram.

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

Think the issue for some is more about him being a Muslim of some Pakistani origin

Nailed it perfectly.

 

[ameemlutfi]

Again, some people have no idea about the fact that non fiction authors don’t make much money from sales. Probably less than cpl game day fees. The publishers do, and only they have a direct monetary incentive in marketing it. Honestly the victim blaming is just puke worthy. The utter lack of empathy is disgusting.

 

[ameemlutfi]

You guys sound like the anti Malala squad that blames her for getting acid on her face to sell her book.

 

[New Yorker]

Not the first or the last time he has played the victim card, but stuff like this is necessary to sell his book.

Compared to Amla, Moeen clearly plays the religion angle more. From showing solidarity with the Palestinians on the field to talking about his background in every interview (have heard his backstory of struggling in inner Birmingham a thousand times now, and viola, here comes the book to shed further light on it).

He also seems to be discriminated over and over again as if he is the only Muslim cricketer playing in a pre-dominantly non-Muslim team, but I guess all these distractions are necessary to deviate from the fact that more often than not, he doesn’t perform well enough to merit a permanent place in the team.

On the contrary, you won’t really hear a word from Amla about the challenges that he faced when he tried to break into the South African cricket setup, or the discrimination that he has faced from evil teams like Australia etc., and nor was he found showing solidarity to the Palestinians on the field.

He has played far longer than Moeen and was far more successful as well, so there is no doubt that if Moeen had to face some discrimination, he must have to deal with it as well, but he prefers not to sing about it.

He has refrained from selling his faith and has managed to keep entirely private, and that is how it should be. Of course the only controversy was the Dean Jones comment, but that was heard by everyone on-air and Amla did not make an issue out of it.

Not sure if he will be realasinf a book any time soon to list the number of times he has been discriminated against. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual mindset - Moeen thrives in victimizing himself, Amla doesn’t.

Ah. Moeen is at fault for not being Amla. Perchance Rosa Parks was at fault for not being Uncle Tom. The moral of the story being; the way we deal with racism is to shut up and take it.

This is cringeworthy.

 

[khan991]

Moeen is a great cricketer and role model for all the young british pakistani kids.

 

[Hasan123]

Something more should have been done about this if Moen made Bayliss aware.

Disgusting stuff from the Australian player in question.

 

[NeVerMind]

Moeen's has just captained his team Worcestershire to their maiden T20 Cup win and his team and his commentators are full of praise for him, his leadership and character.

More egg on the face for Mamoon who has been calling him a weak and mediocre player for years...

 

[90MPH]

The person who has opted to stay quiet has been a world class cricketer, while the person who is making noise has been pretty average.

I think if Moeen was actually very good, he wouldn’t have had to cry wolf and play the victim card often.

You do get desperate for attention sometimes.

But if that’s not the case you truly are delusional and living in a bubble. You are the type who would say the victim deserve racist chants as they must have warranted it.

 

[Pakistanian]

It wasn't even raised in 2015.

Even if they had a United Nations Conference on the issue then, it was kept in the hush.

Why raised now?

What kind of whack reasoning is that? That's exactly what abusers say when people come out years latter accusing them of abuse.

 

[ManFan]

What’s with the trend of cricketers publishing biographies mid-way through their career?

Bairstow, Yuvraj, Anderson, Smith, Broad (multiple), and now Ali.

 

[New Yorker]

I don't need common sense to see thid could possibly be a publicity stunt. I hope his claims are true, if not he will be a another liar with a victim card.

He raised the issue with the ECB at the time, this seems clear. If they wanted to hush it up, there was not much he could do. But it can clearly not be labelled a publicity stunt for his book if it happened before the book was being written.

 

[EliteCynical]

What’s with the trend of cricketers publishing biographies mid-way through their career?

Bairstow, Yuvraj, Anderson, Smith, Broad (multiple), and now Ali.

Unmukt chand published one even before he played for India. He had won the U19 WC and came out with a book, so I am not surprised. Moeen is doing well, is on a high tide, Scored a double hundred and 8 wickets in county, immediately Won a test for Eng against Inida, got promoted to number 3 and did not do badly, won the Vitality blast for the county for the first time. Strike when the iron is hot, I suppose!

 

[MenInG]

Former Australian captain Mark Taylor has responded to English Test all-rounder Moeen Ali's claims of being racially abused during his first Ashes series.

Speaking on Sports Sunday, Taylor said that the abuse directed at Ali would be very disappointing if proven to be true.

"We don’t like that in the game. There’s no need for that in the game either," Taylor said.

"I know there was a bit of controversy about what was actually said but at the end of the day it’s the sort of the thing we’ve got to stamp out of the game."

Taylor, who is also on Cricket Australia's Board of Directors, explained that there were significant steps being made within the Australian team to stamp out the poor culture that has permeated around the team for the past few years.

"I know a lot is going on behind the scenes at the moment with Tim Paine and Justin Langer and team management," he said.

"If (racial abuse) is going on, it’s not going to happen (anymore). We’re going to change that and it’ll be good for the game and good for Australian cricket."

The former skipper said that "cultural reviews" were currently being undertaken as a part of the fallout from Ali allegedly being called "Osama" by one of the Test players.

"There’s a player review going on led by Rick McCosker former great Australian opening batsman," Taylor said.

(AAP) New Australian coach Justin Langer is attempting to instill a better culture as he puts his imprint on the team

"The players are sitting down as a group, both male and female, and working out how they want to play."

The scrutiny on the Australian cricket team has intensified this year with the disastrous tour of South Africa which saw Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft receive bans for ball tampering.

While Taylor did not want to admit that Ali had been racially abused, he did concede that a cultural review into the Australian team had perhaps taken too long.

"There’s been enough smoke to know that there’s some fire there," he said.

"There’s probably been warning signs for a while and we’ve probably been too slow to react to those warning signs."

https://wwos.nine.com.au/cricket/cr...a-claims/dcf2fa9f-ea95-44a8-a31e-5c8acca22d4a

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=5706]NeVerMind[/MENTION] and others

I am not interested in his heroics in the English domestic T20 Cup that has zero relevance outside England.

I saw him get verbally bullied in Australia and he couldn’t answer with either bat or ball. By the end of the Ashes, he was completely disintegrated mentally and was thus subsequently dropped.

That doesn’t like a player with strong mentality and character.

I am not a fan of Moeen the player, but I do admire some of his qualities - he plays the game with good spirit and doesn’t take his success or failures too seriously, but at the same time, he tends to perform best when he is under no pressure and is making a comeback. However, once people start expecting him to perform consistently, the wheels come off.

Last summer, no one expected anything from him against South Africa, and he produced a MoS performance. People expected him to carry some semblance of that form to Australia, but he turned out to be a busted tyre who could not handle the sledging (or the abuse) of the Australians.

When he made his return against India in the fourth Test, much like last year, not much was expected from him, but he delivered. As a result, people are expecting him to show consistency now, so it won’t be surprising if his performances go south again. This cycle has been repeated quite a few times now, which is why he has never really managed to nail down a permanent place in the team.

People can say what they want about me, and they can also judge me if they want, which is perfectly fine because that is their prerogative. Furthermore, I intend no disrespect or offense, but I also do not have much sympathy or empathy for Moeen.

He complains a little too much about getting targeted by the opposition and the fans but does not perform consistently enough.

Maybe it is time for his to let his performances talk more than his victimization, and perhaps he should take a leaf out of Hashim Amla’s book, a far better player who has been no less an advert for Islam than Moeen but has never made noise about people giving him a hard time because of his faith.

I am not an apologist for discrimination of any kind and neither am I the type of person who will blame a rape victim for being at fault. As a doctor, I have been trained to value human life and health.

However, I also have the capacity to look at the bigger picture and understand that these issues are extremely, extremely easy to exploit.

I am not denying that these are not real world problems, but the matter of fact is that quite a few people play these cards whenever things do not go their way. I am not saying that Moeen is lying etc., I am making a general comment.

Even if someone lies about being discriminated against - or even if a girl lies about being abused - 99/100 people will assume that they are telling the truth because these things happen and are actually quite commonplace, and this is how people play the victim card.

Hence, I do not take these things at face value and do not side with the so-called victim unless they can come up with proper evidence and facts.

 

[InziRules]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

You're a doctor. Try researching the rate of false accusations. It's nowhere near as high as people try to paint it as.

What you're saying is that you're sure he's lying (Probably because you hate him, had Kohli said he was discriminated against by a Pakistan, you'd be all over it. Hell, I remember your comments when Shehzad was kind enough to try and save Dilshan from Hell) but that you can't say it, so you'll ask for evidence and facts.

That this was reported at the time, and Moeen did not make much of it until now, shows that he doesn't play the victim card at all.

 

[Abdullah719]

Moeen Ali stopped irate England players from lodging complaint against Australian ‘Osama’ sledger

ENGLAND coach Trevor Bayliss has revealed that Moeen Ali stopped angry teammates from lodging an official complaint against the Australian player who allegedly called him “Osama” back in 2015.

Bayliss confirmed to The Daily Telegraph that he took the allegation to Australian coach Darren Lehmann at the time of the first Ashes Test in Cardiff three years ago but that’s as far as the issue went.

England’s Australian-born mentor says he never personally got a response from Lehmann, but says he felt comfortable that the matter was dealt with.

Moeen has written in his autobiography that he felt he had to take the Australian at his word at the time, after it came back to him that the player had denied saying “Take that, Osama” and instead claimed he’d sledged, “Take that you, part-timer”.

Bayliss says Moeen made an active point of not wanting the incident reported to the match referee where it would have been formally investigated, this despite other England stars urging him to take instant and severe action.

“No, he didn’t want it to go any further. He was happy for it (to be dealt with between the two teams),” said Bayliss.

“He’s a very softly spoken sort of a bloke. He doesn’t want to create too many problems for anyone.

“There was other players in the team who wanted to take it further but he talked them into not taking it any further.”

Reports out of England suggest Moeen originally planned to name the Australian player in his autobiography, but changed his mind for the final manuscript.

A Cricket Australia spokesman said contact has been made with the England Cricket Board and they are awaiting a response.

Bayliss said he didn’t get a response from Lehmann but insists he was comfortable the matter had been dealt with in the manner Moeen wanted it addressed.

“Well I didn’t get a response. I just left it with Darren to sort out one way or the other. I didn’t hear any response, but everything was dealt with then,” he said.

Cricket Australia has said they will investigate the incident and have already made contact with the England Cricket Board.

However, Bayliss said he doesn’t feel much can or should be done so long after the alleged incident took place.

“I’m not going to make too much of it, it was bloody three years ago, let’s move on,” he said.

“They (Cricket Australia) can do what they like I suppose, everyone has sort of forgotten about it and moved on since then. I don’t see it as any real big deal.

“It was a hard-fought series. But no, I thought (relations after that point) were OK.

“You’re not party to what goes on out on the field and certainly nothing else was reported or anything through that series so we just left it at that.”

The Players Association supported CA’s due diligence, but queried the utility of a new investigation going over a historical complaint that had reportedly been resolved.

“CA are correct to seek further information and clarification from the ECB,” a spokesman said.

“Especially since the ACA understands from media reports that this alleged on field matter was investigated and resolved in 2015.

“The game must have zero tolerance for any form of vilification.

“The ACA will make no further comment as CA make further inquiries.”

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...k=9b2bfcca463d4683d2720f4a476fffe3-1537092412

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

You're a doctor. Try researching the rate of false accusations. It's nowhere near as high as people try to paint it as.

What you're saying is that you're sure he's lying (Probably because you hate him, had Kohli said he was discriminated against by a Pakistan, you'd be all over it. Hell, I remember your comments when Shehzad was kind enough to try and save Dilshan from Hell) but that you can't say it, so you'll ask for evidence and facts.

That this was reported at the time, and Moeen did not make much of it until now, shows that he doesn't play the victim card at all.

I am not talking about the rate, I am talking about the fact that these things are very easy to exploit and we should not jump to conclusions unless and until all the facts are on the table.

The problem is that people don’t wait for facts to unfold because firstly, it is Moeen and secondly, discrimination is a reality. However, we have to go case-by-case.


Look at Serena Williams for example. A sore loser who played the feminist card to deflect the blame.

I am not saying that Moeen is lying; I am saying that there is no reason to take his words at face value. Australian accent can be awkward for non-Australian ears, perhaps he misheard him. I highly doubt that any Australian player would randomly call Moeen Osama or whatever.

People who fish for discrimination often hear and see what they want to, and can turn anything into abuse, and I say this with deep regret that I find Moeen to be someone who thrives in such controversies. I accept all the criticism that has come (or will come) my way for this statement, but this is how I feel.

That is all I have to say on this matter, I don’t have anything further to add.

 

[the_outsider]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

You're a doctor. Try researching the rate of false accusations. It's nowhere near as high as people try to paint it as.

What you're saying is that you're sure he's lying (Probably because you hate him, had Kohli said he was discriminated against by a Pakistan, you'd be all over it. Hell, I remember your comments when Shehzad was kind enough to try and save Dilshan from Hell) but that you can't say it, so you'll ask for evidence and facts.

That this was reported at the time, and Moeen did not make much of it until now, shows that he doesn't play the victim card at all.

How come you have then refused to believe that Smith cheated with the DRS in India? You called it "fake Hindutva news", as I recall.

How is it that you are so sympathetic towards Moeen but so full of hatred towards Kohli? Is it because he is kaafir?

 

[InziRules]

I am not talking about the rate, I am talking about the fact that these things are very easy to exploit and we should not jump to conclusions unless and until all the facts are on the table.

The problem is that people don’t wait for facts to unfold because firstly, it is Moeen and secondly, discrimination is a reality. However, we have to go case-by-case.


Look at Serena Williams for example. A sore loser who played the feminist card to deflect the blame.

I am not saying that Moeen is lying; I am saying that there is no reason to take his words at face value. Australian accent can be awkward for non-Australian ears, perhaps he misheard him. I highly doubt that any Australian player would randomly call Moeen Osama or whatever.

People who fish for discrimination often hear and see what they want to, and can turn anything into abuse, and I say this with deep regret that I find Moeen to be someone who thrives in such controversies. I accept all the criticism that has come (or will come) my way for this statement, but this is how I feel.

That is all I have to say on this matter, I don’t have anything further to add.

Serena Williams is a Champion and you still call her as someone playing the victim card. It shows you can never be good enough if you're not the Majority, for people like you. As for Serena, her point was valid, her way of going about it wrong

 

[InziRules]

How come you have then refused to believe that Smith cheated with the DRS in India? You called it "fake Hindutva news", as I recall.

How is it that you are so sympathetic towards Moeen but so full of hatred towards Kohli? Is it because he is kaafir?

I have no idea what you're talking about but it might be because someone has a similar username to me again