Mamoon
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Amir be like: you don’t need to pay me to bowl wides under pressure. 

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Unlucky Amir,
If only it was Babar and Rizwan to bowl to and not Sikander and Perera![]()
I don't think it was a drinks break it appeared to be a mild panic attack. A doctor like @Mamoon or @cricketjoshila can advise properly.Haha nice coping mechanism. He had enough runs on the board to defend but ended up conceding 18 in the penultimate over. And he was going all out, even took a drinks break in the over. If it was Rizwan doing this you would've called it dramaybaazi.
I hope I am wrong and 99% chance I am but it seemed to be a signal.I don't think it was a drinks break it appeared to be a mild panic attack. A doctor like @Mamoon or @cricketjoshila can advise properly.
I hope you are wrong too but the over did go downhill quickly after that.I hope I am wrong and 99% chance I am but it seemed to be a signal.
Same thing happened with Naseem Shah in previous game. He got 'injured' during an over and was smashed for rest of the over. Hopefully its due to poor fitness and not some easypaisa thing going on.I hope I am wrong and 99% chance I am but it seemed to be a signal.
I hope so and IA i am totally wrong. The last thing we need is another scandal.Same thing happened with Naseem Shah in previous game. He got 'injured' during an over and was smashed for rest of the over. Hopefully its due to poor fitness and not some easypaisa thing going on.
It’s not useless though?He is finished. He should stick to giving his useless analysis on TV.
He exposed Babar and Rizwan just like you made the great call of making our greatest champion batsman Asif Ali CaptainIt’s not useless though?
He exposed Babar and Rizwan. He owned Babar and Rizwan throughout.
He will always be correct in that regard.
Did Asif Ali just win a PSL? The one in which Babar and Rizwan were knocked out in the group stage?He exposed Babar and Rizwan just like you made the great call of making our greatest champion batsman Asif Ali Captain![]()
Yeah Asif Ali won that. He wasn't even playing in the Final or they would've lost. Great logic. Must be nice living in an alternate reality where people have imaginary achievements and the ones with actual achievements are failures lolDid Asif Ali just win a PSL? The one in which Babar and Rizwan were knocked out in the group stage?
The only logical thing for you to do instead of disgracing yourself further here is by putting a sock in it.Yeah Asif Ali won that. He wasn't even playing in the Final or they would've lost. Great logic. Must be nice living in an alternate reality where people have imaginary achievements and the ones with actual achievements are failures lol
2009? Really? He took just one wicket in the final and one in the semi-final. Overall, he managed only six wickets throughout the tournament, while the highest wicket-taker claimed 13. The true heroes of the final and semi-final were Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Afridi, respectively. During the league stage, it was Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal who led the bowling attack. Amir’s contribution in the 2009 T20 World Cup was marginal at best.Amir is defo finished now. Great bowler who ruined his career. He came back with a bang and got a new lease on life, and redeemed himself for 2017 deapite what some forever angry Misbah fans claim.
But after 2019 he was clearly finished and started showcasing attitudes and what not.
Tbh he ruined his legacy in 2024 but overall it didn't do much damage as Pakistan was rubbish in 2024 anyway and wasn't going to win.
2009 and 2017 are highlights that no one can take away from him though.
Agree to disagree, he took key wickets in 2009 and did contribute, im not stating that his contributions were > the players you mentioned. Im just stating he contributed well which is more then what I can say about our bowlers in recent tournaments.2009? Really? He took just one wicket in the final and one in the semi-final. Overall, he managed only six wickets throughout the tournament, while the highest wicket-taker claimed 13. The true heroes of the final and semi-final were Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Afridi, respectively. During the league stage, it was Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal who led the bowling attack. Amir’s contribution in the 2009 T20 World Cup was marginal at best.
If there’s any phase worth highlighting from Amir’s pre-ban career, it has to be the 2010 tour of England. That’s when he truly showcased his talent and potential. Unfortunately chose money over fame and became history for good.
I am still unable to understand what exactly Amir did in 2017. He was a passenger till the final and then fakhar helped team score an unbeatable scoreAmir is defo finished now. Great bowler who ruined his career. He came back with a bang and got a new lease on life, and redeemed himself for 2017 deapite what some forever angry Misbah fans claim.
But after 2019 he was clearly finished and started showcasing attitudes and what not.
Tbh he ruined his legacy in 2024 but overall it didn't do much damage as Pakistan was rubbish in 2024 anyway and wasn't going to win.
2009 and 2017 are highlights that no one can take away from him though.
What's dishonest is acting like Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan's wickets aren't a big deal considering kohli and rohit have a track record of chasing down 370 scores in that era.I am still unable to understand what exactly Amir did in 2017. He was a passenger till the final and then fakhar helped team score an unbeatable score
If we take amir out of the 2017 squad, pakistan would still have 100% won the CT. But if you take out ali, Junaid Khan and Fakhar pakistan would never have won the cup.
It's extremely disingenuous of Amir fans to steal credit from those players just to give something to Amir
I repeat, without Amir in the squad pakistan would still 100% win the CT. Looks like Amir fans inherited same dishonesty of stealing credit from Amir himself.
Destroying India’s top batters of that era within just 5 overs on a batting-friendly pitch, where even players like Hafeez and Malik managed to score freely, is an achievement worth remembering and celebrating.I am still unable to understand what exactly Amir did in 2017. He was a passenger till the final and then fakhar helped team score an unbeatable score
If we take amir out of the 2017 squad, pakistan would still have 100% won the CT. But if you take out ali, Junaid Khan and Fakhar pakistan would never have won the cup.
It's extremely disingenuous of Amir fans to steal credit from those players just to give something to Amir
I repeat, without Amir in the squad pakistan would still 100% win the CT. Looks like Amir fans inherited same dishonesty of stealing credit from Amir himself.
Anyone can "destroy" if target is 340 in a major final.Destroying India’s top batters of that era within just 5 overs on a batting-friendly pitch, where even players like Hafeez and Malik managed to score freely, is an achievement worth remembering and celebrating.
The fact that it came against India doesn’t diminish its value in any way![]()
Nothing.I am still unable to understand what exactly Amir did in 2017. He was a passenger till the final and then fakhar helped team score an unbeatable score
If we take amir out of the 2017 squad, pakistan would still have 100% won the CT. But if you take out ali, Junaid Khan and Fakhar pakistan would never have won the cup.
It's extremely disingenuous of Amir fans to steal credit from those players just to give something to Amir
I repeat, without Amir in the squad pakistan would still 100% win the CT. Looks like Amir fans inherited same dishonesty of stealing credit from Amir himself.
So did you get an extra trophy for that?Amir didn’t win the CT Final for Pakistan but he certainly made the victory emphatic. A record-breaking 180 runs margin would not have been possible without his spell.
Beating India by 180 runs in an ICC tournament final which is the biggest thrashing ever in an ICC Final and a record that might never be broken is probably better than an extra trophy.So did you get an extra trophy for that?
Millions in Pakistan still call him legend ! Look at any comment section of his video. Amir is very smart in portraying himself as a victim and gaining sympathy. Its like people have already forgot that he sold his country. Salman Butt failed massively in this regard.Any respect Amir had was just lost recently when he said that if PSL and IPL took place he would go for IPL. And than the mini war happened and the way Indians insulted Pakistanis, it served Amir right.
Everyone has started to hate him and rightly so.
Millions in Pakistan still call him legend ! Look at any comment section of his video. Amir is very smart in portraying himself as a victim and gaining sympathy. Its like people have already forgot that he sold his country. Salman Butt failed massively in this regard.
Also, a lot of Pakistanis think in terms of binaries so those who hate Babar-Rizwan end up supporting Amir-Imad types.
He failed to gain back public support like Amir. People still hate Salman but love Amir and even Asif.Salman Butt has rebuilt his life, he runs a successful youtube channel and is indemand on tv as a cricket expert and is Pakistan's premier Urdu and English commentator in domestic cricket, the PCB chose him for Urdu commentary duties for the PSL. He is also in charge of the Ghani Institute Sports team. Given the stigma of spot fixing, you cannot call him a failure.
He’s a propaganda mouthpieceSalman Butt has rebuilt his life, he runs a successful youtube channel and is indemand on tv as a cricket expert and is Pakistan's premier Urdu and English commentator in domestic cricket, the PCB chose him for Urdu commentary duties for the PSL. He is also in charge of the Ghani Institute Sports team. Given the stigma of spot fixing, you cannot call him a failure.
Same goes for Misbah ul haq too!now after 6 months watch him come up with a new excuse of why he bottled this.
The only thing he was good at was spot fixing games and bowling no balls for a few pounds.
its been 8 years since Misbah retired. Time to give it a rest.Same goes for Misbah ul haq too!
He has delusional dreams of playing in the IPL (which will never happen as he is washed) but has to settle for playing for the Temu version of KKR.Mohammad Amir gets signed for the Knight Riders
Same goes for Misbah ul haq too!
Naive of you. Shaheen has been your best bowler over the years.Everytime I see the retirement thread it hurts, like why can’t bums like Shaheen retire and be done with it? bowls like it these days anyway, his peak was shorter then Amir’s and that’s without any genuine controversy![]()
Naive of you. Shaheen has been your best bowler over the years.
Amir avg 30 in 2 formats. Idk what was great about him.
Never saw him take 5 fer in odis.
Amir has been treated like a golden kid but didnt do zilch after coming back. It was fakhar who won us 2017 ct.
The same argument can be made for Babar Azam and Rizwan clinging on to T20s where they have no business.alented bowler who never played for the country since he made a comeback. It was all for money and only money
That is why they got booted out of t20 side .. no worriesThe same argument can be made for Babar Azam and Rizwan clinging on to T20s where they have no business.
That’s why you are desperate for them to return as well?That is why they got booted out of t20 side .. no worries
I haven’t proved he was great. I don’t need to. Amir for whatever he did offer to Pakistan was great. He’s a certified, rated bowler by the best batters in the game.I am watching you getting desperate to prove the greatness of a guy who sold his country and the came back and then did it again..only for money...
I am watching you getting desperate to prove the greatness of a guy who sold his country and the came back and then did it again..only for money...
Their is no desperation. The desperation is you guys constantly equating his ban to his career as a whole.I am watching you getting desperate to prove the greatness of a guy who sold his country and the came back and then did it again..only for money...
Their is no desperation. The desperation is you guys constantly equating his ban to his career as a whole.
They are 2 separate things. They aren't to be equated.
As a player Amir failed in test cricket and had a sad end to his whiteball career in 2024.
But it wont change the reality of him winning 2009 and 2017 cup. No amount of fakhar won it will deny the reality.
Fakhar was the best batsmen followed by Amir being the best bowler.
This whole fakhar had already won it and india never chasing it regardless of amir's intervention is nothing more then a could have, would have hypothetical nonsense that you can never validate.
The simple reality is that he pulled his weight in 2009 and 2017 and took important wickets with a killer economy.
Thos argument is as ratty as stating Glenn Mchrath didnt do anything In 2003 as Ricky Ponting had already outdated India. We do not know if India could have chased it or not without mcgrath's help but we do know mcgrath bowled the best and his bowling definitely killed India's chances.
What is peak acc to you? You pick and choose certain matches together and call it a peak or you have certain years that you call a peak.Unless you’re delusional, Amir’s peak lasted longer then Shaheen’s who is finished at the top level, he has already chickened out from Tests, he quit twice in crunch ICC T20I events & in ODI’s my lasting memory of his was getting spanked by the Afghans at the grandest event in cricket, his pace is not what it use to be, he doesn’t bend his back unless he is playing league cricket and he has a huge inflated ego which is not justified.
Lets go to the basics and reality. You underrated bumrah by saying that he never took 10w in a match and hence he ain't a match winner.Their is no desperation. The desperation is you guys constantly equating his ban to his career as a whole.
They are 2 separate things. They aren't to be equated.
As a player Amir failed in test cricket and had a sad end to his whiteball career in 2024.
But it wont change the reality of him winning 2009 and 2017 cup. No amount of fakhar won it will deny the reality.
Fakhar was the best batsmen followed by Amir being the best bowler.
This whole fakhar had already won it and india never chasing it regardless of amir's intervention is nothing more then a could have, would have hypothetical nonsense that you can never validate.
The simple reality is that he pulled his weight in 2009 and 2017 and took important wickets with a killer economy.
Thos argument is as ratty as stating Glenn Mchrath didnt do anything In 2003 as Ricky Ponting had already outdated India. We do not know if India could have chased it or not without mcgrath's help but we do know mcgrath bowled the best and his bowling definitely killed India's chances.
I didn't underrate bumrah as a test bowler. I was getting fed up with indian propaganda including yours before England busted this Myth.Lets go to the basics and reality. You underrated bumrah by saying that he never took 10w in a match and hence he ain't a match winner.
Then how can you rate amir as odi bowler with 30 avg. 1 5w haul and 1 4w haul.
Meanwhile in his short career and almost same matches shaheen has taken 40 plus more wickets. 3 five wkt hauls and 7 4w hauls with way better avg.
Amir career has just been like usa game in wc.
Started good.
There were brilliant yorkers in death.
And ended in shambles like the super over.
Thats it.
Shaheen is twice the bowler amir was in odis.
T20s its a close call.
Test both are not good but shaheen still can turn it around.
@RanaWhat has Shaheen achieved for his country that is remotely close to Amir? And he’s already finished at the top level, I don’t engage jobbers normally so come up with something compelling or else this 7 time POTW winner don’t have time for you except for the PP main-eventer’s such as @Rana & @mominsaigol , the latter has the energy of youth to squash the peasants so I will let him continue the burial otherwise.
@Rana
He's also ignoring the fact that while Shaheen has more wickets in odi while playing less matches, shaheen also faced lots of lower ranked teams amd b string which Amir didn't.
Amir played full strength sides until ban, after that he returned to the side playing full strength sides until 2019.
He hardly played against jobbers.
No one stated Amir is > starc, rabada etc.
But he is > Shaheen.
Prime Shaheen can be considered > Amir skills wise but the issue is he shares the same bumrah choke mentality while prime Amir is essentially Pakistan's version of starc. Always shows up in icc events excluding t20 where starc also botched it against rohit recently in 2024
2024 is his red mark. Tbf to posters who hate Amir its impossible to ignore.That’s a good point, ignoring Amir’s trophy cabinet, he hardly had a poor ICC tournament, I would be shocked if he had a couple of poor events based on the numbers alone. I am just going off the top of my head because I don’t ever recall thinking, damn Amir, that was an average tournie for you. And against the arch rivals he turned it on.