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Mohammad Amir at PSL 2017

Saj said:
Only 4 wickets and this is 8th match at the PSL.

He's bowled some decent deliveries but also bowled a lot of garbage deliveries.

Noticed that his captain sets a specific field for him and he bowls the totally wrong delivery for that field.

Below par?
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He's a mediocre bowler I've been saying it for a while.. Sohail Khan has taken 3 times as many wickets as him... and outperforms him whenever they bowl together whether it be test matches or t20s

He's slowly turning into Irfan Pathan of Pakistan
 
Amir and Anwar Ali have similar careers to date. Both were above average at the start and now wouldn't make any other international team.
 
Varun said:
If you remove those tests from 2010 on the green mambas of early-summer England, how would Amir's record look like?
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if you took away jimmy andersons tests on the seam friendly english wickets, what would his record look like?

Btw the english bowlers also bowled on those same green mambas against a much weaker batting line up of pakistan.

Still amirs spell stood out.
 
blackanhyellow said:
if you took away jimmy andersons tests on the seam friendly english wickets, what would his record look like?

Btw the english bowlers also bowled on those same green mambas against a much weaker batting line up of pakistan.

Still amirs spell stood out.
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If you erase Anderson's spells on English wickets you'll remove half his record.

If you remove Amir's 2010 series in England, you're just ignoring 4 tests. I'm not asking for much.
 
Everyone here who is bashing on Amir needs to realize that he isn't the best bowler in world cricket right now. BUT, that doesn't mean he isn't a good bowler. Our bowling would hurt not to have him in the squad. I would still rate him as our best fast bowler , although I do think that Hassan Ali might give him a run for that.
 
Varun said:
If you erase Anderson's spells on English wickets you'll remove half his record.

If you remove Amir's 2010 series in England, you're just ignoring 4 tests. I'm not asking for much.
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Without those four tests, Amir has played 21 tests and averages 38. However, this is incredibly narrow minded analysis.
 
Not a fan of removing x number of matches because all performances count, but the England series in 2010 is increasingly looking like an aberration. A bit like Junaid's series in India.

It was a terrible series for the batsmen and barring Trott, all batsmen looked like walking wickets most of the time. Amir stood out compared to Anderson because he was a rookie and bowled to a better lineup.
 
Zohaib Shah said:
In twenety20 even a player like Styne would get wacked.
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You are right,but tell me how is Junaid better then Amir.Both together played in the recent ODI series where Amir out bowled Junaid by taking 8 wickets at 35 and Junaid 5 at almost 50 per wicket.
 
usmanraheel said:
Everyone here who is bashing on Amir needs to realize that he isn't the best bowler in world cricket right now. BUT, that doesn't mean he isn't a good bowler. Our bowling would hurt not to have him in the squad. I would still rate him as our best fast bowler , although I do think that Hassan Ali might give him a run for that.
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Forget people talking about Aamir not being a GOAT, we're talking about him not even being a good bowler to begin with. :))
 
To be honest Amir has been disappointing to say the least. He is no longer swinging the ball like he used to moreover his economy has also started to take a hit. His attitude again is not helping as he is still in a super star mode which he isnt. He needs to go back to the basics as his time is surely running out.
 
arehaan said:
To be honest Amir has been disappointing to say the least. He is no longer swinging the ball like he used to moreover his economy has also started to take a hit. His attitude again is not helping as he is still in a super star mode which he isnt. He needs to go back to the basics as his time is surely running out.
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He always swings the new-ball in LOI and is effective at start.
 
Mohammad Amir seems to have no plan B when the ball is not swinging, its usally economical cwap he likes to bowl once he realizes the pitch isn't offering anything..

When the ball is swinging, by default he doesn't mix up his banana swing the normal swing (away from the right hander), in short he doesnot know how to create a trap for the batsmen to get him out... he always seems to have runs conceded in the back of his mind
 
He has pace he can swing the ball also fit enough don't why he is still not bowling to his potential. Showed some aggression against shadab too. Looks like he has lost his hunger. He just consider himself self lucky that he is back after all that and he is happy with this very little. Hoping one day he will become a world class bowler.
 
still our best bowler. in fact him hasan ali and sohail should be out bowlers with shadab imad and malik as the other bowlers for the CT. then add sarfaraz babar and we need 3 more batsman
 
He is still the best bowler in pakistan he is a delight to watch.
1.Got the opener to the bouncer in the first over against peshawar the other day.
2.got a maiden over few matches ago in T20
3.Ian bishop mentioned him as the best in the business you can ever get.
4. Sanga trust him more then any of his bowlers.
5. He is super fit always bowls his heart out.

what else you need. people here talk like as if wasim akram would swing Balls miles every day on every pitch he bowled. Totally feel like SAJ, MAMOON and other guys are iver judging here. They just trying to find that little fault where they can just drag him down.
 
Yeah, It is a delight to watch a so-called strike bowler not being able to take wickets to save his life, and keeps getting outperformed and old, unfit pacers.
 
Mohammad Amir has been pretty poor for KK in general, maybe he should go for a change in franchise, probably try Islooo under Wasim's coaching... he's done wonders for Mohammad Sami
 
waleed88 said:
Mohammad Amir seems to have no plan B when the ball is not swinging, its usally economical cwap he likes to bowl once he realizes the pitch isn't offering anything..

When the ball is swinging, by default he doesn't mix up his banana swing the normal swing (away from the right hander), in short he doesnot know how to create a trap for the batsmen to get him out... he always seems to have runs conceded in the back of his mind
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Wicket taking is an art....you have to be courageous a bit to bowl where matters....Amir straight away go to defensive line.....
 
Syed1 said:
Without those four tests, Amir has played 21 tests and averages 38. However, this is incredibly narrow minded analysis.
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So he averages 38 in spite of playing 2 more tests in England around that time (the neutral ones vs Australia) which were equally low-scoring affairs?

Dare I say it if you removed those two as well, the average will be into the 40s. And this guy is some crown prince of fast bowling?
 
Varun said:
So he averages 38 in spite of playing 2 more tests in England around that time (the neutral ones vs Australia) which were equally low-scoring affairs?

Dare I say it if you removed those two as well, the average will be into the 40s. And this guy is some crown prince of fast bowling?
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Ashwin the Crown Prince of Spin has a bowling average of 42.73 outside asia.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Ashwin the Crown Prince of Spin has a bowling average of 42.73 outside asia.
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Yes, the only way you can defend precious Amir is by dissing other bowlers. Nothing to support Amir by itself.
Zilch. Nada.
 
Varun said:
So he averages 38 in spite of playing 2 more tests in England around that time (the neutral ones vs Australia) which were equally low-scoring affairs?

Dare I say it if you removed those two as well, the average will be into the 40s. And this guy is some crown prince of fast bowling?
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Sir you are trying too hard. His overall average is 33 which is alot better than any Indian pacer currently playing. Only Shami is comparable who also has an average of 33. Now should we start picking and chosing tests for Indian pacers as well?


Nobody claimed that Amir is the crown prince of bowling. He is just the best of a bad lot.
 
Varun said:
Yes, the only way you can defend precious Amir is by dissing other bowlers. Nothing to support Amir by itself.
Zilch. Nada.
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But aren't you doing exactly that?

Removing tests and series. So once we remove Ashwin's record outside Asia does he still remain crown prince of bowling?
 
Syed1 said:
Sir you are trying too hard. His overall average is 33 which is alot better than any Indian pacer currently playing. Only Shami is comparable who also has an average of 33. Now should we start picking and chosing tests for Indian pacers as well?
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Shami and his sidekicks the gold standard for pace bowling? Since when? Or did you bring those names up just because I'm an Indian?

Want to compare Amir to other young bowlers of the world? Try: Starc, Boult or Rabada. Go ahead.
 
Varun said:
Shami and his sidekicks the gold standard for pace bowling? Since when? Or did you bring those names up just because I'm an Indian?

Want to compare Amir to other young bowlers of the world? Try: Starc, Boult or Rabada. Go ahead.
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So Starc, Boult or Rabada are all coming back from a five year lay-off where they played zero cricket?
 
Syed1 said:
They must be really bad to average worse than a guy who hasn't played cricket for five years :srt
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Yes, they're Indian bowlers. We know that. Old news, etc. etc.

Still nothing to defend Amir's sky high average or mediocre performances across all formats I see.
 
Varun said:
Yes, they're Indian bowlers. We know that. Old news, etc. etc.

Still nothing to defend Amir's sky high average or mediocre performances across all formats I see.
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I'm not even defending him lmao.. you are the one who placed him as the crown prince of fast bowling and now trying to dispel the notion. Amir is a good bowler who helps the side with his bowling. He is miles better than Wahab, Rahat, Imran and Sohail and hence is a mainstay of our test bowling line-up.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Aswhin is the number one Test Bowler currently,if we can't bring him for comparison then who?
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Yeah, because comparing a speedster with a tweaker is a great idea.

I repeat; try: Starc, Rabada, Boult.
 
Varun said:
Yeah, because comparing a speedster with a tweaker is a great idea.

I repeat; try: Starc, Rabada, Boult.
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They all play regular cricket in conditions suited for fast bowling while he returned after 6 years to play there. After 2 years of regular test he sure will be comparable to them and maybe even better then them.
 
shebimalik said:
He has pace he can swing the ball also fit enough don't why he is still not bowling to his potential. Showed some aggression against shadab too. Looks like he has lost his hunger. He just consider himself self lucky that he is back after all that and he is happy with this very little. Hoping one day he will become a world class bowler.
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May be he doesn't give a damn about mickey mouse matches where he can be easily replaced by a bowling machine?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
May be he doesn't give a damn about mickey mouse matches where he can be easily replaced by a bowling machine?
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He was nothing sort of brilliant in the last ODI series he played in Australia just weeks ago. People have short memories. Where Starc was not moving the ball even a inch, Amir was swinging it well enough to trouble Warner & co.
 
Mobashir said:
He was nothing sort of brilliant in the last ODI series he played in Australia just weeks ago. People have short memories. Where Starc was not moving the ball even a inch, Amir was swinging it well enough to trouble Warner & co.
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He is easily the best Pakistani bowler currently. He has been unlucky too because of some poor catching. People should give him atleast 2 years before passing judgement on him.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He is easily the best Pakistani bowler currently. He has been unlucky too because of some poor catching. People should give him atleast 2 years before passing judgement on him.
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People tends to compare the current Amir vs Amir on that last tour. What they don't get is that Amir in England is one of the best tour a fast bowler can have.
They have to compare him with other pakistani bowlers, and in this case he stands head & shoulders above the current lot. (I start to like Hassan Ali more and more).
Also compare him to other bowlers in the same tours. If you bowl as well or better than Starc in ODI's that means you are fine.
 
Sad fact is though that Pakistan has not been able to produce one world class seamer in the 5 years this guy was kicked out of cricket.
 
Saj said:
Sad fact is though that Pakistan has not been able to produce one world class seamer in the 5 years this guy was kicked out of cricket.
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That's true.
Being World class is one thing but when he came back in the team there wasn't even one fast bowler who was a sure starter in the XI.
For me, UAE pitches and Misbah's captaincy had a lot to do with it. Junaid was a decent bowler in UAE conditions and shouldn't have been dropped. Every fast bowler will have some off series in the UAE. Look at what Starc did when he toured there.
Misbah didn't sticked with pacer for a long period, especially Junaid.
 
No swing on offer but he's a big match player and got 2 vital wickets up front. Set it up for Karachi. Brilliant today. Pick of the quick bowlers
 
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he got abit lucky today but then again quite a handful catch-drops and misfields messed up his figures.
 
Amir has a lovely habit of silencing the nay-sayers.




[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] we really need a smiley for someone with a finger on their lips.
 
MMHS said:
I think, he has bowled decently. May not be as everyone expecting, but definitely not like what I am reading here. What's happening here is the day he has a bad day, people are taking him to cleaners, but they just don't visit those threads on his good days, which is a bit double standard. Almost every pacer has gone though some beating here, but he is the only one playing non stop. Every team from PAK to KK & his FC teams is playing him non stop, which I don't understand why. His body is not tuned yet & he is struggling to play back to back to back matches.

He is a swing bowler, hence he'll struggle in UAE, but some of his balls in early spell was really good. Another surprise to me is, Amir is not the best old ball bowler - still Sanga is giving him 1 over, may be 2 at most in early spell & bringing him in last stages. May be, he is still the best available for him to bowl 2 of the last 3 overs, but I would have definitely used him for 3 overs in 1st spell within PP. This guy has to kick his luck as well - if someone like Pollard drops a dolly, what else one can do?

In T20, I think, it's extremely difficult to take maidens & dots - he has 2 maidens so far & his % of dots are also high, which indicates in rhythm, he is still a top bowler to score off; but those loose boundary balls that costing his stats. KK has some of the best cricket minds around & lots of experience - Arthur, Sanga, Mahela, Gayle, Malik, Bopara - if they are playing him every match despite his poor stats, I do believe there is a valid reason for that.

I back KK to win the title - so 3 more matches. I would like to revisit this thread once more after PSL final.
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1st of the 3 matches today...................
 
Great bowling today with figures of 3 for 7 and nice mocking celebration to end the match.
 
He bowled well in this one match. Lets not over hype him just yet. Lets see if he can do the same in the next two games.
 
Mobashir said:
In a knock out match!
You Forget it cancels all the failures according to your logic!
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He will have to come good against us as well. If he fails in the semifinal, it will be safe to say that he has had an ordinary tournament. Looked like a strike bowler for the first time since the spell vs India in the Asia Cup.
 
Has had a poor PSL (I am a die hard fan) but stepped it up in a knockout game. Hope he continues on well.
 
Unfortunately he is going to run into the champions on Friday.

#KhpalTeam
 
2.2-0-7-3

Coming to the fore at the business end of the Tournament
 
Mamoon said:
He will have to come good against us as well. If he fails in the semifinal, it will be safe to say that he has had an ordinary tournament. Looked like a strike bowler for the first time since the spell vs India in the Asia Cup.
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Only if you were sleeping In the ODI's vs Australia?!
 
Amir has been quite ordinary. I don't know stats but he has been outbowled by Usman Shinwari and Sohail khan and that says a lot.
 
Mobashir said:
People tends to compare the current Amir vs Amir on that last tour. What they don't get is that Amir in England is one of the best tour a fast bowler can have.
They have to compare him with other pakistani bowlers, and in this case he stands head & shoulders above the current lot. (I start to like Hassan Ali more and more).
Also compare him to other bowlers in the same tours. If you bowl as well or better than Starc in ODI's that means you are fine.
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Has been absolutely pathetic in Internationals since his return. Safe to say he is an average bowler
 
Mamoon said:
I wasn't, unless you want to overrate his performance because it is Amir.

He was decent, nothing special.
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For me, there are some steps in between special and decent.
He was special at times with the new ball and décent at others.
So all In all he was very good In the ODI series for those who were awaken not those who watch cricket on statsguru once the match is aleeady finished.
At least, he was better than Starc.
 
Mobashir said:
For me, there are some steps in between special and decent.
He was special at times with the new ball and décent at others.
So all In all he was very good In the ODI series for those who were awaken not those who watch cricket on statsguru once the match is aleeady finished.
At least, he was better than Starc.
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I should be the last person to be accused of watching on Statsguru. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, you cannot convince me that he was 'special' at times. Just bowled a few good deliveries every now and then, that's it.

Since his comeback, barring a few spells, he has been mediocre and has lacked impact. Hasn't impacted a single Test match yet and apart from 1-2 T20s and and ODI here and there, he has been innocuous.

I understand that people have to make excuses for him and exaggerate his performances because they want him to bowl at the level they saw him bowl before he got banned, but the truth is that he has been well below expectations even for his ardent fans who are willing to accept it.

If he will get better with time, I don't know, but as things stand, he is easily one of the most overrated players around.

Being better than Starc in a series or two doesn't mean anything. Anyone can be better than anyone for x number of matches. Jamshed was about 10 times better than Kohli in India, but it doesn't mean anything at all.

Starc is at a totally different level, he is the number ODI bowler of this era and is finding his grove in Tests as well. He was also the best bowler in the most batting-friendly World Cup in history, and comparing him to Amir is disrespecting him and his achievements.

A couple of bad series on his part does not vindicate Amir who I repeat, has mostly been mediocre since his return, and I have watched pretty much every spell of his since his return. If his name wasn't Amir, people would be rating his performances differently.
 
Mamoon said:
I should be the last person to be accused of watching on Statsguru. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, you cannot convince me that he was 'special' at times. Just bowled a few good deliveries every now and then, that's it.

Since his comeback, barring a few spells, he has been mediocre and has lacked impact. Hasn't impacted a single Test match yet and apart from 1-2 T20s and and ODI here and there, he has been innocuous.

I understand that people have to make excuses for him and exaggerate his performances because they want him to bowl at the level they saw him bowl before he got banned, but the truth is that he has been well below expectations even for his ardent fans who are willing to accept it.

If he will get better with time, I don't know, but as things stand, he is easily one of the most overrated players around.

Being better than Starc in a series or two doesn't mean anything. Anyone can be better than anyone for x number of matches. Jamshed was about 10 times better than Kohli in India, but it doesn't mean anything at all.

Starc is at a totally different level, he is the number ODI bowler of this era and is finding his grove in Tests as well. He was also the best bowler in the most batting-friendly World Cup in history, and comparing him to Amir is disrespecting him and his achievements.

A couple of bad series on his part does not vindicate Amir who I repeat, has mostly been mediocre since his return, and I have watched pretty much every spell of his since his return. If his name wasn't Amir, people would be rating his performances differently.
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Amir or not, he was brilliant more than once In the ODI's versus Australia.
Overall he hasn't been as good as most expected him to.

For me he is doing fine and he will quickly become one of the best again.

In T20's, I really don't care even if he isn't selected.

In ODI's, he will soon be one of the top 3 pacers In the world. His bowling is just too good.

In tests, he will always be decent at least. This is the format he will have to proove how good he is.
 
waleed88 said:
He's a mediocre bowler I've been saying it for a while.. Sohail Khan has taken 3 times as many wickets as him... and outperforms him whenever they bowl together whether it be test matches or t20s

He's slowly turning into Irfan Pathan of Pakistan
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mediocre :)))
 
todfod 11 said:
Amiir proves again why he us the best...
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After he took 3 wickets??... 1 of a tailender, 1 a high flying catch from Sanga which would've been a 4.. that was more of a Sanga wicket than Amir's..

Congrats he's the best in the world just coz he got a 3'fer :))
 
waleed88 said:
After he took 3 wickets??... 1 of a tailender, 1 a high flying catch from Sanga which would've been a 4.. that was more of a Sanga wicket than Amir's..

Congrats he's the best in the world just coz he got a 3'fer :))
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Sanga did well to catch that one because Smith had midled that one well. Poor ball from Amir!
 
Amir is the Ozil of Pakistan. Mediocre most of the time but every good performance gets multiplied by the power of ten, because well he's the most talented. Meanwhile, less talented players continue to outperform him but don't get the recognition.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir is the Ozil of Pakistan. Mediocre most of the time but every good performance gets multiplied by the power of ten, because well he's the most talented. Meanwhile, less talented players continue to outperform him but don't get the recognition.
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His bowling lacks rhythm
 
Hamzakhalid said:
His bowling lacks rhythm
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His bowling lacks a lot of things, and the only thing going for him is his decent accuracy, which means he doesn't bowl many boundary balls and has decent economy rate in general. However, he is far from a strike bowler now.
 
Mamoon said:
His bowling lacks a lot of things, and the only thing going for him is his decent accuracy, which means he doesn't bowl many boundary balls and has decent economy rate in general. However, he is far from a strike bowler now.
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Yes doesn't look sharp. However he does bowl a few magic balls here and there but even Rahat can do that.

You need rhythm to get your bowling going, Where to land the ball precisely to make the batsman play, basically setting up batsman.
 
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