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Mohammad Amir is not the same bowler he was back in 2010!

Too much bashing is going on due to high expectations. He is a good support bowler. Expectations of him leading the attack was too optimistic.

This is also true. Right now you are seeing the typical Pakistani knee jerk. After Asia Cup 2016 he was going to rival Mitchell Starc as LOI ATG, and now he is worse than no-namers like Imran Khan Jr.

The truth is that he isn't much worse than the trundlers in the domestic circuit, which doesn't say much. But it's fair to say he missed his best years in the ban.

Best course of action would be to monitor him in the Aus series as a final chance and if he still seems unthreatening to send him back to the domestic circuit and make a fast bowling coach or someone to work with him. Let him hit the basics again and try to exercise all that in his county stint with Essex next year, and if there is improvement go from there.
 
Amir is no where near the bowler he was back in 2010 that much is a given. However, it should also be noted that he has support from bowlers like Sohail, Rahat, Imran and Wahab. All of who struggle to pitch two balls consecutively at the correct line and length. Wasim or Waqar wouldn't have been as good a bowlers if they didn't have each other.

From what I saw in this series, Amir was swinging it like crazy and keeping tight lines but his bowling partners in Rahat, Sohail and Imran were spewing straight up garbage and releasing the pressure.

Get a bowler who can bowl without releasing the pressure from one end and let lose Amir on the other end and you would see a marked difference in his performance.
 
This is also true. Right now you are seeing the typical Pakistani knee jerk. After Asia Cup 2016 he was going to rival Mitchell Starc as LOI ATG, and now he is worse than no-namers like Imran Khan Jr.

The truth is that he isn't much worse than the trundlers in the domestic circuit, which doesn't say much. But it's fair to say he missed his best years in the ban.

Best course of action would be to monitor him in the Aus series as a final chance and if he still seems unthreatening to send him back to the domestic circuit and make a fast bowling coach or someone to work with him. Let him hit the basics again and try to exercise all that in his county stint with Essex next year, and if there is improvement go from there.

County stint should help him in many ways. I think all this attention on Amir is counterproductive for him as well. He was work in progress even before the ban despite his success in Eng. Then you have 5-6 years of gap so expectation of him winning matches immediately were too optimistic. He is young so he has time on his side.
 
:))

People compare that one 2010 green wicket SUPER still air spell to basically every ball he bowls.

They think if Amir isn't repeating that same spell even under vastly different conditions, he's poor and isn't the same bowler.

HELL YES.. he isnt the same bowler and can't bowl the same and replicate that spell/conditions.

No bowler can.
 
Glad you realized this even if it took you a year.

We all know he is having a hard time with basically everything not going his way in the field. Either he will get better or a youngster will replace him in 2017. But stop expecting wonders as it is not fair on him either. From what I have understood he himself feels the pressure as well.
 
Amir was an extraordinary talent back then, but currently he is very good to good.

Waqar said a County stint helped him a lot, so I can only hope it does the same for Amir with the Essex stint and he rediscovers his bowling form pre-ban.
 
Amir was an extraordinary talent back then, but currently he is very good to good.

Waqar said a County stint helped him a lot, so I can only hope it does the same for Amir with the Essex stint and he rediscovers his bowling form pre-ban.

Though he hasn't got many wickets, I have to say that when he opens the bowling with the new ball he looks very good and better than the rest of the Pakistani bowlers.
 
What's worrying is that a half-cooked and not exactly brilliant Amir is still Pakistan's best seam bowler.
 
Though he hasn't got many wickets, I have to say that when he opens the bowling with the new ball he looks very good and better than the rest of the Pakistani bowlers.

Absolutely, he does look better than the rest and easily makes the 11.

However, he isn't at that pre-ban peak.

For example, he can't take the ball away without a scramble seam and that gives it away for the batsmen because they know the one with a straight seam will move back in and the other one scrambled.

Even Athers and Botham were saying it, that he can't move it away without scrambling it, but he could do it before.
 
Should be most economical bowler too then by the logic that makes him best seam bowler?

Outbowled by Sohail Khan in England in just one test and Imran Khan already has 1 less wicket than him after playing two less innings in this tour of NewZealand.

Distinctly average bowler living off his 2010 exploits
 
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Isn't the same bowler and may not ever get back to that level which is a shame.
 
Amir is no where near the bowler he was back in 2010 that much is a given. However, it should also be noted that he has support from bowlers like Sohail, Rahat, Imran and Wahab. All of who struggle to pitch two balls consecutively at the correct line and length. Wasim or Waqar wouldn't have been as good a bowlers if they didn't have each other.

From what I saw in this series, Amir was swinging it like crazy and keeping tight lines but his bowling partners in Rahat, Sohail and Imran were spewing straight up garbage and releasing the pressure.

Get a bowler who can bowl without releasing the pressure from one end and let lose Amir on the other end and you would see a marked difference in his performance.

Seriously? Blaming Sohail and Imran for Amir's lack of success?
 
His impact (with/without dropped catches) has been zero.

He is just there.
 
totally agree atleast when Wahab performs once in a blue moon it has bearing on the game.

All other pacers have produced better spells than him in this time. If he wasn't Amir, people would hardly notice his presence.
 
All other pacers have produced better spells than him in this time. If he wasn't Amir, people would hardly notice his presence.

Maybe there is some Physiological issue with him that we tend to overlook totally. Imagine the pressure of being one of the most hated people in the nation at 17 years old and then still managing all the rigors of the modern game and carrying all the expectations etc.
 
Maybe there is some Physiological issue with him that we tend to overlook totally. Imagine the pressure of being one of the most hated people in the nation at 17 years old and then still managing all the rigors of the modern game and carrying all the expectations etc.

well, the entire country, media and PCB was behind him when he was making his comeback. He was giving media interviews way before he made his come back and there was a lot of positive reaction to him. Most fans wanted him back. PCB has supported him to no end.

But i would agree, it is difficult to come back from the psychological blow. Maybe he needs more counseling.
 
Maybe there is some Physiological issue with him that we tend to overlook totally. Imagine the pressure of being one of the most hated people in the nation at 17 years old and then still managing all the rigors of the modern game and carrying all the expectations etc.

Maybe, but I think he is also massively overrated.
 
Whether he needs more psychological support or not, no one knows.

All I know is, at the moment, he isn't looking like ATG material, which people had envisioned for him.
 
I think I have said this before. Bowling is unnatural process if all you do for 5 years is bowl couple of overs in your mommy's basement it is expected you will loose those skills. 18-22 is the best years for fast bowlers development and Amir missed out on even club cricket during those years I totally expected this will happen yes pre ban there have been series where Amir avered 40+ in a series but just watching him bowl you knew its just a matter time when he will get everything together and go big current Amir does not have that feel about him in his bowling.His average pace is down by atleast 5 mph and he is unable to get that away movement which makes him predictable now.
 
The pace thing is confusing for me as people said as we will develop as an athlete and cross 20 years, he will get stronger and pace will go up, instead it has dropped a lot making him almost toothless
 
The pace thing is confusing for me as people said as we will develop as an athlete and cross 20 years, he will get stronger and pace will go up, instead it has dropped a lot making him almost toothless

its his rhthym he has lost his natural flow due to being unable to bowl competitively pre ban he would bound to the crease and release the ball with a whip currently he is just running in and putting the bal he is not hitting the deck hard like he use to.l
 
Golden boy no more: Qadir blasts preferential treatment of Amir

KARACHI: Former chief selector Abdul Qadir has accused the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) selection committee of favouritism and questioned fast-bowler Mohammad Amir’s automatic selection in the team despite his struggles since returning to international cricket.

The 24-year-old Amir has struggled to replicate his match-winning exploits before the infamous spot-fixing scandal saw him banned for five years.

In the eight Test matches that Amir has played since his return, the left-arm pacer has claimed only 25 wickets while his average of 37 is also on the higher side.

The selectors are destroying the careers of other fast-bowlers by giving preferential treatment to Amir,” complained Qadir. “I’ve been watching Amir since his return and he has not performed as per expectations.”

Qadir, regarded as one of the game’s finest-ever leg-spinners, said that by favouring Amir the selectors have been unfair to other pacers such as the discarded Junaid Khan and Umar Gul.

“Just to pave the way for Amir, the selectors are destroying the careers of experienced bowlers such as Umar Gul and Junaid Khan, who spearheaded Pakistan’s pace attack in the difficult times when Amir and [Muhammad] Asif were banned from cricket,” said the 61-year-old.

Qadir felt that even those within the squad have also suffered due to this. “Not just Junaid and Gul but pacers currently in the squad such as Sohail Khan are also bearing the brunt of this favouritism,” he said. “Sohail’s performance was brilliant in the Test series against England, including a five-wicket haul against England in the Birmingham Test. He should have been included for the ODI series on that tour but Amir was preferred to him despite being less impressive.”

The former Test captain also questioned why Amir is the only one of the ‘tainted trio’ to be included in the side, while the other two are being consistently overlooked. “Amir’s partners in the spot-fixing case, Salman Butt and Asif, are still struggling to return to international cricket despite their good performances in domestic cricket but Amir was picked without much exposure on the domestic circuit,” he said. “This approach of personal likes and dislikes must stop because it is damaging Pakistan cricket.”

‘Selection committee aiming for consistency’

Despite Qadir’s claims, PCB selector Tauseef Ahmed defended the selection of the players, insisting that they are based purely on performances.

Tauseef, himself a former Test spinner, defended the underfire pacer. “Amir’s performances have been satisfactory,” he said, before pointing out the reason behind Amir’s poor statistics. “He is bowling with good rhythm but he has been unfortunate. If you see in recent matches, around a dozen catches have been dropped off his bowling.”

Tauseef also said that no player is ever ruled out of the side, with the selectors looking to hand out more opportunities. “The selection committee is adopting a policy of consistency according to which every player will get due chance to show their worth.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1250636/golden-boy-no-qadir-blasts-preferential-treatment-amir/
 
Amir of 2010 had Asif as his bowling partner and Amir of 2016 has Sohail Khan. The degeneration is obvious.
 
Amir of 2010 had Asif as his bowling partner and Amir of 2016 has Sohail Khan. The degeneration is obvious.

If he can't succeed as a bowler, that is his problem.

Statistically, Sohail Khan averages 32.57 this year with two 5fers in England while Amir averages 37.60.
 
If he can't succeed as a bowler, that is his problem.

Statistically, Sohail Khan averages 32.57 this year with two 5fers in England while Amir averages 37.60.

fast bowlers hunt in pairs so it does matter. As for averages, they're an overrated metric to determine any player's full potential. Realistically, Sohail is only a bowler of first innings .not a patch on pre ban Amir who could bowl 140 plus consistently with an impeccable line and length.
 
fast bowlers hunt in pairs so it does matter. As for averages, they're an overrated metric to determine any player's full potential. Realistically, Sohail is only a bowler of first innings .not a patch on pre ban Amir who could bowl 140 plus consistently with an impeccable line and length.

let him go with potential and talent throughout his whole career without performing and let fans make him 'ATG' and be happy.
 
fast bowlers hunt in pairs so it does matter. As for averages, they're an overrated metric to determine any player's full potential. Realistically, Sohail is only a bowler of first innings .not a patch on pre ban Amir who could bowl 140 plus consistently with an impeccable line and length.

lol No, he is the same bowler just that he hasn't upgraded his skills in 6-7 years,he was always and 132+ kph avg bowler,don't be delusional
 
lol No, he is the same bowler just that he hasn't upgraded his skills in 6-7 years,he was always and 132+ kph avg bowler,don't be delusional

He wasn't. I posted a video from his NZ tour in 2009. He was regularly touching 140+ with the odd 135 KPH delivery.

In the same conditions now, he was sitting at 133-135 KPH and never crossed 140 KPH (I believe).

Don't consider the ENG series as a base to measure his speeds. He purposely dropped his speeds to maximize swing on that tour (rightly so).

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Fair point about the pace also.

In England he was bowling at around 140kph regularly, but in New Zealand mid 130s.

Overall even taking into account the dropped catches, not an impessive comeback.
 
He wasn't. I posted a video from his NZ tour in 2009. He was regularly touching 140+ with the odd 135 KPH delivery.

In the same conditions now, he was sitting at 133-135 KPH and never crossed 140 KPH (I believe).

Don't consider the ENG series as a base to measure his speeds. He purposely dropped his speeds to maximize swing on that tour (rightly so).

Could have been doing the same in New Zealand too you know :afridi
 
Amir is no where near the bowler he was back in 2010 that much is a given. However, it should also be noted that he has support from bowlers like Sohail, Rahat, Imran and Wahab. All of who struggle to pitch two balls consecutively at the correct line and length. Wasim or Waqar wouldn't have been as good a bowlers if they didn't have each other.

From what I saw in this series, Amir was swinging it like crazy and keeping tight lines but his bowling partners in Rahat, Sohail and Imran were spewing straight up garbage and releasing the pressure.

Get a bowler who can bowl without releasing the pressure from one end and let lose Amir on the other end and you would see a marked difference in his performance.

I don't think he was. Was he? The only time I saw swing was on that tour game in England. All other times, i just see the ball landing on the right areas and seam movement from time to time.
 
Amir is no where near the bowler he was back in 2010 that much is a given. However, it should also be noted that he has support from bowlers like Sohail, Rahat, Imran and Wahab. All of who struggle to pitch two balls consecutively at the correct line and length. Wasim or Waqar wouldn't have been as good a bowlers if they didn't have each other.

From what I saw in this series, Amir was swinging it like crazy and keeping tight lines but his bowling partners in Rahat, Sohail and Imran were spewing straight up garbage and releasing the pressure.

Get a bowler who can bowl without releasing the pressure from one end and let lose Amir on the other end and you would see a marked difference in his performance.

This is a good point which has not been bought up, Asif was a dream bowling partner for Amir.

Anyhow as many have already pointed out his comeback has been satisfactory despite the fact that he hasn't been helped by various factors. Lets hope he can turn it around vs AUS.
 
Since the infamous 2010 test at Lords, Amir has played at Lords again twice:

1) Both times it was the first test of the series 2016 & 2018
2) Both times he bowled Cook in the first inns for Eng who was the top scorer 81 & 70
3) Both times he took Eng's last wkt in their 2nd inns
4) Both times he was on the winning side...

Redemption I & II
 
He will become better than pre ban Amir, just have a little patience guys.
 
Have a feeling a big haul is around the corner first time since return I saw him bowling with this intensity in a test match
 
This was a big game for him. Even thou he hasn't been getting wickets consistently, he's been bowling a lot better now. You can feel he's getting closer and closer
 
We saw glimpses of this poetry in the Cook and Bairstow dismissals.

Yes we will see glimpses but not the entire pre ban Amir. Anyways, if he starts bowling with discipline with the new ball, he will get wickets in his first spell and he can become a regular match winner for us. Such is his talent and skill.
 
Has Mohammad Amir changed his action?

His bowling arm is usually tighter to his body. This series his action looks a little "looser."

Is it because of the opposition or is he genuinely trying something different?

Alternatively my mind is just playing tricks on me!
 
Looks Tired.. Seems like sarfaraz wants him to be injured.. playing him in series against zimbabwe is just baffling
 
Amir needs rest badly.But yes, if he wants to experiment any deviation from his normal action it's the best chance against a minnow team.
 
Problem is not in Amir’s body, it is in his brain. He wants to be treated like a 36 year old who has played 15 years of international cricket.
 
Done with him; I have no expectations when this man walks out onto the field. No heart and no passion.

He’s the giver that will never give.

In relation to the OP I’ve noticed the same, he generally does this when bowling the yorker or the effort ball. Maybe turning to it now due to fatigue?
 
10 wickets have fallen and Amir manages to stay wicketless once again. Against Zimbabwe.

Being a "big match player" is one thing but being below average in the rest of them must have some consequences of sort.
 
Done with him; I have no expectations when this man walks out onto the field. No heart and no passion.

He’s the giver that will never give.

In relation to the OP I’ve noticed the same, he generally does this when bowling the yorker or the effort ball. Maybe turning to it now due to fatigue?

Oh bhai you can have a go at him based on his outing today. Which indeed was below average but he is THE GIVER talking in your language..:babar
 
Giving him due rest is the solution and then asking him to earn his place when others have sealed would give him the kick. He thinks he is undropable, we do have good line up in the making which might give him tough competition. At this moment in time he knows no one is challenging his place, hence lazy attitutde.
 
He needed rest and asked PCB for it but Mickey and Inzi didn't consider this request for whatever reasons.

But the way Amir is behaving is disgusting, you are playing for your nation and this ain't a joke, you need to give your 100% everytime, his body language is pathetic and he is bowling slower than even Zimbabwean pacers.

In CT Amir was wicketless for first few games, but no one was complaining bcz he was giving his 100% and creating chances continously and putting pressure on batsmen which ultimately helped others. He simply should retire from Tests if he doesn't want to play, you can't say I will play only high profile games, nobody has the right to say it, he is doing all this intentionally, he was below average against Sri Lanka in Tests last year but this year in UK he was a completely different bowler who was swinging it, probably the fastest among all bowlers who played in that series. All this leads to one thing that he is doing it intentionally.

He should be dropped from all formats for now and not given any NOCs for any league and told to rest in his house. This behavior is not expected from anyone especially from someone whose image isn't good for reasons we all know.

I know he will be a completely different bowler in CWC 19 and might probably be the best bowler in the tournament but you can't only play WCs and CTs and sit down at home rest of the year while playing dfrnt leagues. He was bowling brilliantly for Essex last year and was bowling with same intensity in every match, he even won player of month in county bcz he knew if he didn't perform they would have kicked him out and it would have meant no further county deals. And PCB should do same.

He needs to stop this drama, Hasan and Faheem have aslo been playing continously since last year and they have never done such things.
 
Let’s just wait for the Asia Cup. Best LOI bowler in the world along with Hasan.
 
As a bowler he looks like he is just doing a 9 to 5 job, turning up for his shifts, going through the motions and finishing at end of shift. There does not appear to be motivation or hunger to be the BEST he can be, especially in his case having been through what he has, he should be even more grateful that he has been given a second chance and like he did for a brief period after his comeback he was eager to show everyone he was still good enough to play for Pakistan -- so why the complacency now?


This is sadly the story of many Pakistani players over the years - they don't improve because they are not passionate and motivated enough to want to be the best that they can be -- they become complacent.
 
People dont understand class of Amir. Yes he hasnt been taking bundle of wickets lately but atleast he is not leaking runs and is a match winner on his day. In current cricketing era when teams scoring 400’s and bolwers are going for 100’s, he is someone you know isnt gonna be hit easily bcz of his class.

Anybody willing to share Starc’s record of the last 2 years?

It would surprise many cricketing pundits who call him the best.

Starc might be the best along with Amir followed by Hassan and or is right up there based upon his impact in cruical matches and ability but does his stats are as good as people are expecting from Amir to produce goods everytime he walks in the field?

Its just that Shinwari is another exceptional talent and is overshadowing Amir.
 
I don't have any problem with the fact that Amir saves his best for when it really matters
 
He just looks uninterested and unfit. He should have been rested for this useless series.Even though he doesn't pick up many wickets but his economy his probably the best in the world in Odis.
 
Maybe if he was made to toil in domestic cricket for a year or two rather than given a free pass in to the team when his ban ended he wouldn’t be taking things for granted now.
 
Whats so surprising about all this? He has always been a fast bowling version of Zulfiqar Babar.

And why should he be molly coddled and listened to regarding rest and too much cricket?

Did the likes of Junaid Khan, Wahab Raiz, Rahat Ali and co complain about too much cricket from 2010 to 2015 when Amir was banned?
 
I loved his spell against India last year but a message needs to be sent. And doing it here in Zimbabwe isn't it.
I don't like to say it, but drop him from the Asia cup if he doesn't perform on the rest of this tour. The man has talent, that much is true. The man has skills and can dominate at his very best, that is true. But the message needs to be sent that he is not untouchable. Making him watch the rest of the team play India on TV will force him to decide how much cricket is worth to him. Usman Shinwari has been beyond excellent of late and he deserves bigger opportunities.
 
I loved his spell against India last year but a message needs to be sent. And doing it here in Zimbabwe isn't it.
I don't like to say it, but drop him from the Asia cup if he doesn't perform on the rest of this tour. The man has talent, that much is true. The man has skills and can dominate at his very best, that is true. But the message needs to be sent that he is not untouchable. Making him watch the rest of the team play India on TV will force him to decide how much cricket is worth to him. Usman Shinwari has been beyond excellent of late and he deserves bigger opportunities.

Not really, the man is extremely over rated. Quality eventually shows in your stats and in the consistency of your performances.
 
Or maybe he is just not good enough to perform consistently? There have been many mediocre players who were brilliant on their day.
 
Or maybe he is just not good enough to perform consistently? There have been many mediocre players who were brilliant on their day.

This. Amir is not really a lion hearted cricketer to be very honest. I can very easily put my money on him going missing or being irrelevant when the going gets really tough. Right now Usman Shinwari and Hasan Ali are ahead of him.
 
Oh bhai you can have a go at him based on his outing today. Which indeed was below average but he is THE GIVER talking in your language..:babar
You think this is a one off? This has been the norm for over 2.5 years.

It's high time we get rid of him, or at the very least bench him.
 
Amir hasn't been performing up to par and it's really disappointing.

I hope we get a good 3rd pacer who bowls well with the new ball. It'll put far more pressure on Amir to perform if someone else becomes our best new ball bowler. But atm, it's still Amir.

At tests with Abbas's emergence, Amir's already pretty much forgotten and will be out of the side soon enough if things don't change.

As I've said before I don't think Amir's heart is in it as much as before. He was upset people turned on him in the fixing scandal, and whatever he does he'll always be branded as a fixer, a black mark on his name. That same excitement he had playing cricket when he was 18 just isn't there anymore. Think it's the all or nothing principle. He can't strive to meet the expectations people had of him anymore, and hence it's less meaningful now. I feel a bit sorry for him tbh, but he needs to rediscover his passion in enjoying cricket again and giving his full effort every game.

Is why I think he turns it up in tournaments perhaps. Least there's a goal in winning the tournament. That goal of creating a legacy/name for himself has gone though, hence it's gotta take off the shine off things. He doesn't even probably want the limelight anymore.
 
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Did the likes of Junaid Khan, Wahab Raiz, Rahat Ali and co complain about too much cricket from 2010 to 2015 when Amir was banned?

Well they should have considering what happened to them during that period.

Junaid Khan = Grade 3 Osteochodral Fracture
Wahab Riaz = Hairline Fracture (Hand)
Rahat Ali = Hamstring Tear

Being macho did nothing for them.
 
Well they should have considering what happened to them during that period.

Junaid Khan = Grade 3 Osteochodral Fracture
Wahab Riaz = Hairline Fracture (Hand)
Rahat Ali = Hamstring Tear

Being macho did nothing for them.

Hairline Fracture on the hand? :yk
 
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