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It could happen......and it could happen in England again.

Your thoughts on whether this is a reality. Would you be against this or do you hope this is possible?
 
I do not think so they are playing together this soon. May be in NZ
 
Personally i only have a soft spot for Amir but not for Asif and certainly not for Butt. But keeping that aside, since their punishments will be over from September 2nd onwards, if they play Domestic Cricket for a season and prove their form, fitness, there shouldn't be any barrier for their recall especially Asif and Amir.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Personally i only have a soft spot for Amir but not for Asif and certainly not for Butt. But keeping that aside, since their punishments will be over from September 2nd onwards, if they play Domestic Cricket for a season and prove their form, fitness, there shouldn't be any barrier for their recall especially Asif and Amir.
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Why you hate Salman Butt more?
 
Vulcan said:
Why you hate Salman Butt more?
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His behavior and attitude in general. The way he slung mud at Afridi, Waqar and a few others while attempting to defend himself all these years only for him to eventually accept he indulged in the Spot Fixing. It is only natural to understand how the likes of Waqar and Afridi would like him in the dressing room.

Atleast the likes of Amir and Asif did not throw mud at their team mates while defending themselves.
 
Vulcan said:
Why you hate Salman Butt more?
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Two things - first, the inquiry report thought of him as the worst offender and called him the ring leader. Secondly, he tried his level best to stay away from the charges and kept pretending that he was innocent.

Even got letters from ex players and coaches as character certificates. Along with involving his family when his sister came up with press conferences stating that he was innocent and stuff.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Two things - first, the inquiry report thought of him as the worst offender and called him the ring leader. Secondly, he tried his level best to stay away from the charges and kept pretending that he was innocent.

Even got letters from ex players and coaches as character certificates. Along with involving his family when his sister came up with press conferences stating that he was innocent and stuff.
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Lol Imagine how the likes of Geoff Lawson and Dr Tauseef Razzaq feel, who went out of their way to support this guy's story.
 
Saj said:
It could happen......and it could happen in England again.

Your thoughts on whether this is a reality. Would you be against this or do you hope this is possible?
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Want Amir and Amir both back if they outperform others at domestic cricket and show the same class. Wish and pray they do.

Mastermind / Ringleader / Main and Biggest Crook / chief destroyer should be limited to domestic cricket only.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Lol Imagine how the likes of Geoff Lawson and Dr Tauseef Razzaq feel, who went out of their way to support this guy's story.
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If they all had admitted at the time, I would have never harbored any ill will towards them.

The point is, I have read the verdict and it disappointed me that even in the presence of damning evidence, they continued to plead innocence. It became worse when back home after their sentences, they pleaded the victim card by issuing statements where they indicated as if they were being framed.

Yes, Amir did not straightaway plead guilty, but he still had the courage to do it while none of these have actually done that.

Saw Butt's Twitter account and on this 14th August, he had a lame tweet about apologizing to the nation. Did not even say anything like what he is apologizing for still.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
If they all had admitted at the time, I would have never harbored any ill will towards them.

The point is, I have read the verdict and it disappointed me that even in the presence of damning evidence, they continued to plead innocence. It became worse when back home after their sentences, they pleaded the victim card by issuing statements where they indicated as if they were being framed.

Yes, Amir did not straightaway plead guilty, but he still had the courage to do it while none of these have actually done that.

Saw Butt's Twitter account and on this 14th August, he had a lame tweet about apologizing to the nation. Did not even say anything like what he is apologizing for still.
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Butt accused Afridi of conspiring against him for captaincy and you can see the comments he made against Afridi in many interviews on TV. He even used the lame defence in court that waqar was allowed to be in cricket as a player and later as a coach inspite of being fined and barred by the qayyum report.

Do you seriously think these two would like Butt back in the dressing room?

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AlphaFighter said:
Butt accused Afridi of conspiring against him for captaincy and you can see the comments he made against Afridi in many interviews on TV. He even used the lame defence in court that waqar was allowed to be in cricket as a player and later as a coach inspite of being fined and barred by the qayyum report.

Do you seriously think these two would like Butt back in the dressing room?

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If I'm honest, I do not want these players to be back in the dressing room.

Do have a soft spot for Amir but even that seems unfair to everyone around him.

Asif was my favorite bowler, but as a person, I believe he has had his chances and we should move on.

The less said about Butt, the better.
 
Mohammad Asif & Salman Butt should never play international cricket again. NEVER. As it will set a bad precedent. At most, they can play in T20 leagues

Only Mohammad Amir will be accepted by cricket fans again and that too if his comeback is based on his performances
 
Doubt Butt would come back. We have the likes of Shan, Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar, Nauman, Mukhtar, Sarfraz, Sami Aslam, and even Babar who have shown they can make excellent openers in one format or the other. No room for Butt whatsoever.

As for Asif, he needs to stay fit and scandal-free - would be happy if he could do even one of the two!

Amir will definitely be back.
 
Salman should never be allowed to play for Pakistan, nor domestic cricket in Pakistan. He had the honor and responsibilities handed down to him when he become the prestigious the captain of Pakistan cricket. In my view that is one off the biggest honour one can receive bar serving for their country in the Army for Pakistan. What he did with the captaincy is dicusting and should never be allowed back.

Asif should play domestic cricket and only if his surreal performances are their, he can warrant a place in the side.

Amir should be allowed back into the side, the sooner the better. still the best bowler in Pakistan and we need him.
 
amit said:
Mohammad Asif & Salman Butt should never play international cricket again. NEVER. As it will set a bad precedent. At most, they can play in T20 leagues

Only Mohammad Amir will be accepted by cricket fans again and that too if his comeback is based on his performances
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I do not want to see Butt back in the team. Not because of setting a bad precedent but I don't want him to spoil the environment which is being shaped by Azhar Ali now.

Asif and Amir should and will make a comeback. They are our new ball attack and the best in the world at it. It is imperative we have them back and playing together for another 3 years. I am sick to death of seeing this India like mediocrity in our fast bowling ranks.

Even Wahab is not a new ball bowler. We don't have any new ball bowlers. We need these 2 back as a matter of national importance.
 
Lets say 4.5 years, I didn't want them to play for Pakistan but after reading some comments I believe once the person serve their punishment (whether or not their punishment was long enough that's a different story) they are allow to represent Pakistan if they perform well in domestic cricket...
 
Aamir for sure...

What a bowling attack it wiill be :
Aamir
Wahab
Irfan
Anwer Ali
Yasir shah
Immad wasim

Death for other teams


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Will be a black day for honest cricketers,however Aamir and asif will fail badly,Butt still has it in him to tonk a few
 
I desperately want Amir and Asif back in the team. But looking at the realities, both of them haven't played any kind of cricket in last five years (maybe excluding backyard cricket) so we for the fact don't know if they still have got it in them. So they will have to perform in domestic first, applies more to Mohammad Asif especially because Mohammad Amir did pick up some wickets playing in Twenty20 leagues recently.

I wish Amir and Asif had never done such stupidities, they would have been World Class! :47:

Below, I'm attaching a picture of the bowling rankings when both of them got banned, would have been easily up there with the likes of Steyn, Johnson etc.

https://goo.gl/jFKmNI

Wish all three of them best of the luck, hoping they prove their fitness and form in the domestic cricket as I wish to see them back!
 
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zains_rulez said:
Aamir for sure...

What a bowling attack it wiill be :
Aamir
Wahab
Irfan
Anwer Ali
Yasir shah
Immad wasim

Death for other teams


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ummm no.you have had better attacks,Irfan,Anwar will not find place in any team other than sri lanka right now,being emotional is good but......
 
Asif is 32, hasn't played competitive cricket at any level in 5 years, and most importantly (unlike the other 2) he hasn't expressed any interest in playing cricket again

Butt is 30, no competitive cricket in 5 years at any level, and most importantly we've got set openers in LOI in Azhar Ali, Shehzad and Mukhtar

No chance Asif plays again, so no chance all 3 play together
 
coy0607 said:
Asif is 32, hasn't played competitive cricket at any level in 5 years, and most importantly (unlike the other 2) he hasn't expressed any interest in playing cricket again

Butt is 30, no competitive cricket in 5 years at any level, and most importantly we've got set openers in LOI in Azhar Ali, Shehzad and Mukhtar

No chance Asif plays again, so no chance all 3 play together
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Asif has just announced he will be playing domestic cricket.

He is not an express bowler. Bowls 127ks. If he has retained how to swing and move the ball he can go on till the next world cup for sure.

Butt would need an amazing season in domestic to be considered again. Batting is a more difficult art and being out of the game has a big effect. I don't see him coming back anytime soon.

But if Asif has a great 6 months in FC cricket he will be back on the radar.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Asif has just announced he will be playing domestic cricket.

He is not an express bowler. Bowls 127ks. If he has retained how to swing and move the ball he can go on till the next world cup for sure.

Butt would need an amazing season in domestic to be considered again. Batting is a more difficult art and being out of the game has a big effect. I don't see him coming back anytime soon.

But if Asif has a great 6 months in FC cricket he will be back on the radar.
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Didnt know about Asif - if he is available and in form, he is definitely good enough to make his way back- and Amir is a given

I was never high on Butt thou- he was always overrated by the Board and fans because of his education / english, plus he is the most hated of the 3, I wouldn't bet on him playing for Pak again
 
joly said:
ummm no.you have had better attacks,Irfan,Anwar will not find place in any team other than sri lanka right now,being emotional is good but......
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You don't need a great fourth bowler if Wahab,Aamer and Yasir and fit and performing.If you have 3 quality bowlers then the rest should be more of an allrounders like Anwar and Imad
 
Amir & Asif is the requirement of the time no need to spare their talent just utilize them at maximum no matter if you have to keep gunmen behind them
 
Very very unlikely all 3 will ever play for Pakistan again. Especially Butt will never play for Pakistan again since most of the current players blame him for the spot fixing debacle. It will cause a lot of friction if he plays again among the players.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
I do not want to see Butt back in the team. Not because of setting a bad precedent but I don't want him to spoil the environment which is being shaped by Azhar Ali now.

Asif and Amir should and will make a comeback. They are our new ball attack and the best in the world at it. It is imperative we have them back and playing together for another 3 years. I am sick to death of seeing this India like mediocrity in our fast bowling ranks.

Even Wahab is not a new ball bowler. We don't have any new ball bowlers. We need these 2 back as a matter of national importance.
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So you will pardon Asif for a 4th time now? Who will he corrupt next, Junaid?
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
I do not want to see Butt back in the team. Not because of setting a bad precedent but I don't want him to spoil the environment which is being shaped by Azhar Ali now.

Asif and Amir should and will make a comeback. They are our new ball attack and the best in the world at it. It is imperative we have them back and playing together for another 3 years. I am sick to death of seeing this India like mediocrity in our fast bowling ranks.

Even Wahab is not a new ball bowler. We don't have any new ball bowlers. We need these 2 back as a matter of national importance.
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And let Asif to spoil environment again? No, no need of both Asif And Butt. And Amir should only get ticket if he performs better than others in Domestic season. He should not get direct entry. Instead of brining Asif, it's better to invest in new bowlers.
 
Thing with Asif is, he most probably has regressed quite a lot in the last five years and unlike Amir - who's still very young and seems very fit - Asif doesn't have the time on his side, he will have his work cut-out to regain his old form, he was never a bowler of express pace, and now, after spending five years on the sidelines, you can expect his bowling speed to have slumped even further.

Those of you who are expecting him to comeback after five years and simply pick up from where he left off are simply being delusional.

Besides, and more importantly, this was not the first time he messed up, he has a long history of corruption and misconduct, you can only give so many chances to someone. You have to draw a line somewhere.
 
As good as Asif was, he was a bit of a liability in terms of his discipline. 2 drug (or whatever it was) related offences and then the spot fixing incident. Being the senior bowler in the team he really should have known better and I don't particularly care to see him return. Butt is a definite no. Don't really need to go into why it would be a bad idea.

That leaves Amir, and like most people he of the 3 is who I felt the most sorry for. But yeah, he does need to work his way into the team and a close eye does need to be kept on him
 
Red Devil said:
Thing with Asif is, he most probably has regressed quite a lot in the last five years and unlike Amir - who's still very young and seems very fit - Asif doesn't have the time on his side, he will have his work cut-out to regain his old form, he was never a bowler of express pace, and now, after spending five years on the sidelines, you can expect his bowling speed to have slumped even further.

Those of you who are expecting him to comeback after five years and simply pick up from where he left off are simply being delusional.

Besides, and more importantly, this was not the first time he messed up, he has a long history of corruption and misconduct, you can only give so many chances to someone. You have to draw a line somewhere.
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Asif is a seamer bowler and not express bowler. he is not depended on speed. and cricket isnt saints game. play well, entertain us.
 
Seeing Asif and Amir open the bowling in England is a real possibility. For better or for worse. I don't see Butt making a comeback anytime soon.
 
Bilal7 said:
Seeing Asif and Amir open the bowling in England is a real possibility. For better or for worse. I don't see Butt making a comeback anytime soon.
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Butt was deported from England for 10 year so he can't play in England not sure about Asif.
 
Bilal7 said:
Seeing Asif and Amir open the bowling in England is a real possibility. For better or for worse. I don't see Butt making a comeback anytime soon.
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I would argue that for next year's away Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia the strongest possible Pakistan team is:

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Salman Butt
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Wahab Riaz
10. Yasir Shah
11. Mohammad Asif

Add in Rizwan, Rahat and Ehsan Adil as reserves and it's a strong Test squad. Unfortunately Younis Khan and Misbah are too old for those conditions outside Asia.
 
Junaids said:
I would argue that for next year's away Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia the strongest possible Pakistan team is:

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Salman Butt
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Wahab Riaz
10. Yasir Shah
11. Mohammad Asif

Add in Rizwan, Rahat and Ehsan Adil as reserves and it's a strong Test squad. Unfortunately Younis Khan and Misbah are too old for those conditions outside Asia.
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Younis and Misbah are not going anywhere. I can see them playing the series against England net year and if they do well, continue playing beyond that. Old is a relative term in Pakistan, as long as you're performing, you can keep playing.

Butt can't play in England for five more years, according to what Strike Rate has said so I would have Sami Aslam over him. I would have had Aslam over him in any case because Butt is hardly head and shoulders above our current openers.

So I would add Younis and Misbah at #4 and #5, respectively and have Rizwan, Rahat, Junaid, Akmal and Hafeez on the bench.

Strike Rate said:
Butt was deported from England for 10 year so he can't play in England not sure about Asif.
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Did he? I didn't know that.
 
Junaids said:
I would argue that for next year's away Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia the strongest possible Pakistan team is:

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Salman Butt
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Wahab Riaz
10. Yasir Shah
11. Mohammad Asif

Add in Rizwan, Rahat and Ehsan Adil as reserves and it's a strong Test squad. Unfortunately Younis Khan and Misbah are too old for those conditions outside Asia.
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Younis and Misbah are not going anywhere. I can see them playing the series against England net year and if they do well, continue playing beyond that. Old is a relative term in Pakistan, as long as you're performing, you can keep playing.

Butt can't play in England for five more years, according to what Strike Rate has said so I would have Sami Aslam over him. I would have had Aslam over him in any case because Butt is hardly head and shoulders above our current openers.

So I would add Younis and Misbah at #4 and #5, respectively and have Rizwan, Rahat, Junaid, Akmal and Hafeez on the bench.

1) Shehzad
2) Sami
3) Azhar
4) Younis
5) Misbah (c)
6) Shafiq
7) Sarfaraz (wk)
8) Amir
9) Riaz
10) Asif
11) Shah

12) Hafeez/Akmal
13) Rizwan
14) Junaid
15) Rahat

Strike Rate said:
Butt was deported from England for 10 year so he can't play in England not sure about Asif.
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Did he? I didn't know that.
 
I don't think that Misbah will continue into 2016.

He will be 42 by the start of the England tour, and already was too old to be able to cope the last time he toured Australia in 2009-10 and South Africa in 2012-13. He's a dead track specialist, and there won't be many next year.

Younis will want to carry on, but although he's supremely fit his reflexes have gone and if he limps on to England he will fail there and be replaced by the time they go to New Zealand and Australia three months later.

In reality, I think Misbah will retire at the end of 2015 and I think that Younis Khan will have a tantrum when Azhar Ali becomes the new skipper and he will never be selected again.
 
BDwarriors said:
i know, i left watching cricket since asif was banned.
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I am also one of the biggest fan of asif the artist but i have my doubts if he can even do 50% of what he was doing in those day so not hoping so much to be disappointed later.
 
I don't see Salman playing international cricket anywhere in the near future. Not too sure about Asif considering he's 32 and being out of the game for about half a decade is very long. Aamir coming back is like a new young fast bowler making his debut, plus the first wicket he takes on his comeback will be his 100th international wicket.
 
Mohammad Asif's real age must be about 35 at least and that's the age fast bowlers are usually at the end of their careers. Even if plays domestic I don't see him doing any wonders. He lost his best 5 years in oblivion. Butt won't make it on merit anyway , he was a terrible test batsman and barring india was a terrible odi batsman as well.
 
Wapda have played 4 matches and Asif hasn't played one.

Sure it isn't his strongest format but why is he benched ?

Meanwhile Junaid Khan after superb BPL is averaging 75 with the ball in 2 matches with a SR of 97. Hope he delivers in next matches otherwise I am sure he won't make Odi & T20 team which was looking certain 2 weeks ago.


Somebody update if Asif is injured or is being rested.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Wapda have played 4 matches and Asif hasn't played one.

Sure it isn't his strongest format but why is he benched ?

Meanwhile Junaid Khan after superb BPL is averaging 75 with the ball in 2 matches with a SR of 97. Hope he delivers in next matches otherwise I am sure he won't make Odi & T20 team which was looking certain 2 weeks ago.


Somebody update if Asif is injured or is being rested.
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Time to give up now, there's no chance for Asif to return and if am honest it was all about this important tour of AUS; there's the champions trophy in England but I don't care about that and Asif won't last till the 2019 WC in England. The tours of ENG and AUS were a really big deal, time to move on; many channels have made it abundantly clear that he won't be playing for Pakistan
 
shaz619 said:
Time to give up now, there's no chance for Asif to return and if am honest it was all about this important tour of AUS; there's the champions trophy in England but I don't care about that and Asif won't last till the 2019 WC in England. The tours of ENG and AUS were a really big deal, time to move on; many channels have made it abundantly clear that he won't be playing for Pakistan
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It would be sad if this happens like that :(


So Asif at 36 cannot do what McGrath at 37 and Sangakara at 36 did ?


I wouldn't mind Asif in Odi's in England in Champions Trophy and WC given his excellent Odi record in England. He will give us imp 1 or 2 wickets of opposition's top batsman while going under 6 runs an over.

It would be possible if he could maintain his form and fitness and the magic he showed in 3 spells of QEA this year.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
It would be sad if this happens like that :(


So Asif at 36 cannot do what McGrath at 37 and Sangakara at 36 did ?


I wouldn't mind Asif in Odi's in England in Champions Trophy and WC given his excellent Odi record in England. He will give us imp 1 or 2 wickets of opposition's top batsman while going under 6 runs an over.

It would be possible if he could maintain his form and fitness and the magic he showed in 3 spells of QEA this year.
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I want him to play as well but I've given up now, it's not impossible but it would take a special effort for him to last until 2019; for that the PCB would also need to support him right now and that's not happening. Fitness wise he can only do so much when he's not training in the NCA. Maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was right about the magnitude of this AUS tour even for someome like me who feels the WC is more prestigious am devastated that Asif will not be selected for the next two tests in AUS so bit heartbroken about that and have moved on
 
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