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Mohammad Amir's poor bowling statistics since the 2017 Champions Trophy

Should Mohammad Amir be picked for the 2019 World Cup, even if he doesn't play any ODIs v England?


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Amir actually isn't even that economical if you take out his stats against minnows. Wouldn't make a difference.
 
Amir actually isn't even that economical if you take out his stats against minnows. Wouldn't make a difference.
Last I checked, the most he's given away in an innings is 5.45 rpo, including all oppositions. He's way more economical than any other bowler we have and that's the point I made after the last match. Economical bowlers will win you matches on these pitches, forget about wickets.
 
Times like this players on the bench seem world class - when the reality is Amir has taken 3 wckts in the last 2 years!
 
Mohammad Amir May not take wickets but he is at least very economical

I know he is out sick, but If he was playing today, it would have been a little less convenient for England to score these runs. We should consider his economy as a fast bowler for the world cup. Most of the England pitches will be like the one we are seeing today.
 
Not true.
He was there when pak conceded 444. When pak conceded 350+ twice in aus 2016. But he's needed here.
 
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Would take Amir in a heartbeat over the garbage that we played today
 
Amir is the fast bowling version of Imad. A defensive bowler who can’t take wickets but can bowl tight overs.

However, just like how Imad needs genuine wicket-taking spinners around him to be effective, Amir needs good partners as well.

He will be of no use bowling alongside Junaid, Hasan and Faheem.
 
If you look st his bowling a lot of times he stops the runs flowing and the wickets fall from the other end and he doesn’t get the wickets he deserves. I’ve always said he’s the best fast bowler we have and needs to come back.
 
Just don't expect any miracles, he would have been clobbered today as well. None of the England bowlers looked like much either, although Jofra might have got a few ducking and diving just with some pace.
 
If you look st his bowling a lot of times he stops the runs flowing and the wickets fall from the other end and he doesn’t get the wickets he deserves. I’ve always said he’s the best fast bowler we have and needs to come back.

+1 but other posters do not agree, and now we can see what is happening to the bowling attack without him.
 
He would have also been smashed to oblivion on this track.

His defensive skills are useless on most days.
 
Playing garbage like Junaid and Faheem over Shinwari was always gonna lead to 150 for no wickets. Cant believe we're taking a lad who's never played an LA match to the WC but not our best bowler this year. PCB and Inzi bhai for you!
 
These 130-135K seamers and spinner who cannot spin, will not work. We need couple of 145k+ bowlers, that's why Hussian and Rauf could have helped, not that they will set world on fire...

Amir with 135K pace will fail as well, his pace is down, unless he get back to 142K+ (avg speed), he will be as useless as other (maybe little less)...
 
He is the one that can save our bowling in the WC. Too bad he's not well and probably won't get a go this series to prove his case for selection.
 
I would say drop these youngsters, who have less domestic experience. Drop Shaheen, Hasnain and Amir. Select fast bowlers with good List A bowling averages, like Taj Wali, Sadaf Hussain, Shinwari, Zia Ul Haq? etc. The selectors still have time. Worth the gamble.
 
More than 3 years since his comeback and keeps getting into the side off 2 spells against India in the 2016 T20I Asia cup and the 2017 Champions trophy final in an ODI.

Please don't try and justify Amir's inclusion. You'll only be embarrassed. He does not deserve a place in any format of the Pakistan team right now, Usman Khan Shinwari has to replace him.

Fan favourites and media darlings keep on damaging the Pakistan team, We need players who perform in at least 5/6 games out of 10. Not once every year and a half.
 
Based on what we are seeing so far, Amir selects himself!
 
Everyone on this thread is selecting him on the basis of his economy. Since he was struggling to take wickets for the past 2 years let's begin talking about his economy. We can't just have him in the squad to concede 5 runs an over, even if he succeeds in three or four matches he is bound to get clobbered in the next few matches. We cannot base our selection of Amir on this.

On the other hand, there are a few/is a player in the team who isn't really performing (Faheem). Now I would definitely pick Amir over Faheem. However, then, is Asif more deserving of the spot? He has gotten two fifties in 2 games now I think. And yes, similar to Amir he can't continue getting a fifty every game in the WC, he is bound to get a few low scores along the way but he has actually played in these games and performed and prove he can do what he is there to do. Amir hasn't, everyone here is just assuming that he'll be economical because of his stats, but then again, his stats in the wickets column say otherwise.

The question is: is the Amir risk or the Asif risk worth taking?
 
Mohammad Amir's Statistics Since CT17

Since Champions Trophy 2017, Mohammad Amir has played 15 games including his last game (Wash out vs England, where he didn't bowled).

Last 15 Matches
Wickets - 5
Economy - 4.60
Average - 92.6
Strike Rate - 121.2

Not once he has completed 10 overs quota in bowling.

In 2017 the year Pakistan won CT17 Mohammad Amir's Economy rate was highest ever in his career and he took 18 wickets that year most after 2009 (19 wickets).

His highest bowling Strike Rate and Average by Country (Top 3)

Zimbabwe - 144 SR and 73.00 Average
UAE - 66.50 SR and 55.50 Average
England and Wales - 46.78 SR and 38.33 Average

Screenshot_2019-05-15 HowSTAT ODI Cricket - Mohammad Amir - Bowling Graph.png
M Amir's graph of bowling average.
 
To bill Amir as the saviour in the waiting given these numbers is absurd. We need to move on from the Amirs, Junaids, Imads, Faheems and Yasirs because these guys have cost us ODI series after series but are not held accountable.
 
With the current situation of our bowling I would say yes, we need Amir. But he isn't a permanent solution to over woeful bowling performances and inability to take wickets.

His inclusion will spare us some runs in the bowling. But he needs to bowl those 140+ KPH consistently and take wickets. that's what Pakistan desperately need.
 
To bill Amir as the saviour in the waiting given these numbers is absurd. We need to move on from the Amirs, Junaids, Imads, Faheems and Yasirs because these guys have cost us ODI series after series but are not held accountable.

What has Hasan done to be not included among the other culprits?
 
5.2 against the top teams.

Like others are bowling like Wasim, Waqar, Klusener, Shoaib Akhter.

All of them average close to each other against Top teams.

While Economies are:

Mohammad Amir 5.2


Shaheen Afridi 5.8
Faheem Ashraf 5.8
Hasan Ali 6.2
Junaid Khan 6.5
Mohammad Hasnain 6.8
 
To bill Amir as the saviour in the waiting given these numbers is absurd. We need to move on from the Amirs, Junaids, Imads, Faheems and Yasirs because these guys have cost us ODI series after series but are not held accountable.

Come on, u have got to understand that these players r the best ones available in PAK and these players won the CT barring FAHEEM nd Yasir. U cant make do without them. U have got to stick with them if u wana win WC.
 
He should be in the World Cup squad but people shouldn’t think he will save our bowling attack.
 
What has Hasan done to be not included among the other culprits?

I'm not defending Hasan, it seems his 2017 fame has gotten to his head and other teams are doing their homework.

However many bowlers suffer in their second year after a strong start to their international career so I wouldn't write him off.

He does need a kick up the backside.
 
Come on, u have got to understand that these players r the best ones available in PAK and these players won the CT barring FAHEEM nd Yasir. U cant make do without them. U have got to stick with them if u wana win WC.

I refuse to believe we haven't got a better one day spinner than Imad, Yasir and Shadab in domestic cricket. We hardly try any proper spinners and pick pseudo allrounders instead.
 
He's a must for the WC squad.

The bowling lineup in its current state can't stop runs or pick up wickets.
 
I'd have Shinwari over both but if it's between Faheem and Amir, then obviously the latter for being the lesser of the two evils.

A failed WC though should put an end to Amir's ODI career.
 
I am pleasantly surprised that his economy has been mid 4.

Based on just that he needs to be selected. This economy creates chances for others and limits the scoring.

This is not based on the fact that our pacers have been absolutely battered, it was expected because of Englands ATG batting, pitch, dropped catches.
 
I am pleasantly surprised that his economy has been mid 4.

Based on just that he needs to be selected. This economy creates chances for others and limits the scoring.

This is not based on the fact that our pacers have been absolutely battered, it was expected because of Englands ATG batting, pitch, dropped catches.

His economy is only cheap cos of the minnows. It's worse if you take out matches vs Zim and HK
 
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