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Mohammad Amir's poor bowling statistics since the 2017 Champions Trophy

Should Mohammad Amir be picked for the 2019 World Cup, even if he doesn't play any ODIs v England?

  • Yes, he should be included regardless of how many ODIs he plays vs England

    Votes: 33 62.3%

  • No, he needs to play in some ODI games to justify his selection in the World Cup squad

    Votes: 20 37.7%
  • Total voters
    53
Amir is not good enough and has never been good enough to perform consistently. That 2010 series in England where conditions were the most difficult for batting clouded our expectations and judgement
 
By now it should be clear that Amir simply isn't a wicket taking bowler. But just can't blame him, the batting was exceptionally mediocre.
 
He is turning out to be a one trick pony. If he doesn't get that shape in the first burst he is quite average.
 
Mickey Arthur on Amir:

"Of course Amir's lack of wickets is concerning, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. I had a long chat with him last night and I thought he came out and bowled well today. He hit the crease hard, he ran in well. He's been decelerating to the crease but he didn't do that today, he seemed more fluent and there was a bit more pace but of course there's more pressure on him"

Read all comments here -> http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...that-can-stand-up-to-India-quot-Mickey-Arthur
 
Greenstorm said:
He is still our best bowler in death overs and is decent with the old ball. This problem can be solved if Hassan bowls with the new ball and Amir bowling most of his overs in middle and later part of the innings.
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If the game is decided in the first 10 overs then the death overs don’t matter. He is failing to take wickets upfront and his inability to bring the ball into the right handed means he’s a one trick pony.

Actually going by champion trophy performances I think junaid was better at the death.
 
ARK Rafay said:
In a recent interview. He actually talked about it and said something like. "I give my best and sometimes the ball just passes 1 or half inch of the stump or bat. It is luck." In contrast to this Hasan Ali is really lucky. Now I somewhat agree that M Amir is a bit unlucky ever since he made his come back. He had to deal with drop catches and bowling beautiful deliveries but nor getting wickets. But if it's a matter of luck then why he got wickets and won the match for us in CT17 final? If he's truly unlucky is it worth it carrying around in each game?

P.S: I personally think he is unlucky, but also haven't showed much passion and aggression against smaller sides.
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He is desperately unlucky Amir, especially considering he knows he cant rely on his inept fielders and every wicket should either be bowled or LBW...that is enormous pressure on yourself, its a team game and he is not being backed up by his fielders. Its evident that he has given up almost because of this, almost disheartened.
 
Update:

Matches: 10
Overs: 70
Wickets: 3
Average: 101
Economy: 4.31
 
He is bit like Bhuvaneshwar. If the ball is moving he is a real threat but if it is not then he doesn't have many tricks to beat the batsmen.
 
He was not his usual best today and not able to keep it tight. Usually he is economical and keeps it tight.
 
Saj said:
Update:

Matches: 10
Overs: 70
Wickets: 3
Average: 101
Economy: 4.31
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That tells the story of an overrated cricketer, who got lucky Pakistan piled up 350 in the CT final.

Had he been asked to defend 200 or 250, he would have been carted all over the park just like today.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
That tells the story of an overrated cricketer, who got lucky Pakistan piled up 350 in the CT final.

Had he been asked to defend 200 or 250, he would have been carted all over the park just like today.
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Yeah India always bottle chasing 300+ against all teams, not just Pakistan (earlier against England this year). But under 300 and India are ruthless.
 
Oh god when he made his comeback. We saw many of his catches being dropped and I used to day he's so unlucky. But ever since CT17 even that's not happening.
 
The three wickets of Mohammed Amir.



*M J Santner (c Rumman Raees)
7th batsmen. Dismissed in the 50th over due to attempted high slog shot.

*C Munro (c Faheem Ashraf)
Wack a*s opener. Dismissed for DUCK in second ball of first over due to idiotic shot.

*T L Chatara (c †Sarfraz Ahmed)
10th batsmen from Zimbabwe minnow team. Played a fighting 5 (21) as they were chasing a HUGE 308 total set by Imam century. The RRR was at 13.33
 
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Amir has to perform in atleast one of the remaining matches while taking 2-3 wickets in a 10 overs spell. Only than he will be retained in the squad. Otherwise I see him getting dropped from Odi squad.


Sword would be hanging on him for Test squad selection aswell but He is lucky that currently no F.C. pacer is challenging his spot.
 
Time to drop him from the squad in all formats and make him work to earn his place back in the team.
 
Should Mohammad Amir be picked for the 2019 World Cup, even if he doesn't play any ODIs v England?

He has an infection and could easily be too weak/ill to play in very few of the remaining games. Given this scenario, is Amir important enough to be still included in the World Cup squad regardless of how many games he plays in the ODI series?
 
He sure is that important, given the current state of our bowling. Should be selected regardless of how many matches he plays before the World Cup.

A player like Faheem can make the squad, but not Amir. Brilliant logic by our blind selectors.

I for one will swap him straight back for anyone except for maybe Shaheen Afridi, among the pacers.
 
No, he's not match fit.

He's not fit mentally right now or physically.

He needs a long break and get his head together.
 
In high scoring games his economical bowling is important but like Chokli mentioned it depends on fitness and whether he's mentally ready to play in this tournament.
 
If he's not fit then there's no point. Anyone who is less than 100% should not be picked. That applies to Shadab too.
 
If he is picked, for sure ICC won't allow a replacement for him in the middle of the WC.... I think, his WC is over if that chicken pox story is true, other teams won't like a recent patient (of chicken pox) mixing with their players.
 
Not really concerned either way. He's generally performed poorly for a while now, he really needed to show something in this ODI series to stake a claim.
 
I would also like to add, he made his reputation as a fearsome fast bowler, but he rarely bowls genuine fast these days. Without the pace he's just another medium fast bowler who doesn't hit the right areas enough.
 
MMHS said:
If he is picked, for sure ICC won't allow a replacement for him in the middle of the WC.... I think, his WC is over if that chicken pox story is true, other teams won't like a recent patient (of chicken pox) mixing with their players.
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Exactly. It's very contagious. Wouldn't want babar or fakhar getting chicken pox. That would be the end of the wc for us.
 
Nope, he should not be picked anyways. He does not deserve it on merit. His last 10-15 ODI's are enough proof
 
Chicken pox is contagious first 2 days if I am right. But it is highly contagious during that time.
 
He will be handy in restricting teams to a manageable total or defend high total. But he won’t be that useful defending a total like 250. He will be useful in specific scenarios not all the time
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Exactly. It's very contagious. Wouldn't want babar or fakhar getting chicken pox. That would be the end of the wc for us.
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If the CP is confirmed, first thing PCT management should do is to isolate him and if possible (many airlines might not on board him) send him back home. He was not in the initial plan, and this ENG series was an audition for him - he missed the bus unfortunately.

If you do something wrong and unethical, one day you'll have to face your nemesis - be in this world or next. It's befitting that the guy who should have led PAK to at least 2 WCs might not ever play a single WC game.
 
The world cup boat has sailed for Aamir. No way, is he going to the world cup with health issues and lack of match practice.
 
Definitely yes. Inexperienced bowling line up will get exposed sooner than later if they continue to play shaheen Hasan faheem and hasnain
 
MMHS said:
If the CP is confirmed, first thing PCT management should do is to isolate him and if possible (many airlines might not on board him) send him back home. He was not in the initial plan, and this ENG series was an audition for him - he missed the bus unfortunately.

If you do something wrong and unethical, one day you'll have to face your nemesis - be in this world or next. It's befitting that the guy who should have led PAK to at least 2 WCs might not ever play a single WC game.
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He has a home in England and is currently there with his family isolated from team, no need of airlines.

He might still recover completely before WC and can replace anyone of the bowlers in our initial squad, most likely Faheem. He should remain in England, we need him.
 
MMHS said:
If the CP is confirmed, first thing PCT management should do is to isolate him and if possible (many airlines might not on board him) send him back home. He was not in the initial plan, and this ENG series was an audition for him - he missed the bus unfortunately.

If you do something wrong and unethical, one day you'll have to face your nemesis - be in this world or next. It's befitting that the guy who should have led PAK to at least 2 WCs might not ever play a single WC game.
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You do realize he is a WT20 winner, CT winner, won several test matches in the UK etc. ?
 
Pakistan still have time to ring changes to their World Cup squad. I believe 23rd May is the deadline

I think Asif and Amir should be included in place of Faheem and Someone-else

Ideally someone like Umar Akmal should also be in the squad despite his attitude problems.

Faheem is useless. Neither good with bat nor ball .... although he can strike a few lust blows once in a blue moon!

Yasir is useless in ODIs. Hope Shadab is fit in time for the World Cup
 
At an age when fast bowlers usually are at the peak of their power, Amir for some strange reason has lost his strength and venom as a bowler. He comes across as somebody too weak and fragile to instill any fear with his persona. There are definitely some issues going on with his physical and mental strength. I would rather have Wahab Riaz recalled for those bursts of aggression that this current Pakistani attack surely lacks.
 
Pretty simple equation now: Is our bowling better or worse off without Amir.

If it was better, or even the same, then it's perfectly fine to leave Amir out.

Amir, however mediocre he might have been, still is a value add to this bowling lineup.

Keeping that in mind, I think it would be the right call to include him
 
Never , should be kicked out ..

Hasnain is a gamble as well, bring back Rumman Raess, or select Sadaf hussain..
 
Let's just say that if he is selected without playing a game, the team management and the selectors look incredibly foolish!
 
Snowflake said:
Pretty simple equation now: Is our bowling better or worse off without Amir.

If it was better, or even the same, then it's perfectly fine to leave Amir out.

Amir, however mediocre he might have been, still is a value add to this bowling lineup.

Keeping that in mind, I think it would be the right call to include him
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We conceded 350+ like 2-3 against aus in 2016. Amir was in the team but still we conceded that much. He was also in the team when we concedes 444.
People just want someone who can stabilise the bowling but Amir isn't the ONE.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
We conceded 350+ like 2-3 against aus in 2016. Amir was in the team but still we conceded that much. He was also in the team when we concedes 444.
People just want someone who can stabilise the bowling but Amir isn't the ONE.
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Our fans have short memories, many now want Wahab in the squad ..Lol..when he was the main reason we conceded 444 in England
 
Ronaldo7 said:
We conceded 350+ like 2-3 against aus in 2016. Amir was in the team but still we conceded that much. He was also in the team when we concedes 444.
People just want someone who can stabilise the bowling but Amir isn't the ONE.
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Without Amir and Shadab, I won't waste my time on PAK team, as my blood pressure stays lillte high now a days, so I can't watch rest of the useless for 2 months, as i know then there is no chances going anywhere. Also add Shoaib in the useless list.
 
MajidBhuta-AamirFan said:
Without Amir and Shadab, I won't waste my time on PAK team, as my blood pressure stays lillte high now a days, so I can't watch rest of the useless for 2 months, as i know then there is no chances going anywhere. Also add Shoaib in the useless list.
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Honestly, who do you think amir and shadab are??
Amir is a flop. Shadab is mediocre at best.
 
"Amir doesn't have the same venom"

"Amir doesn't have the same pace"

"Flop!"

Well, even with all of the above, he's still better than most other bowlers we have and is our best bet for the World Cup.

This shows you how important of a player he is. A half-performing Amir is still needed by the team!


If he's recovered from CP by May 23, he will definitely play. As simple as that.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
We conceded 350+ like 2-3 against aus in 2016. Amir was in the team but still we conceded that much. He was also in the team when we concedes 444.
People just want someone who can stabilise the bowling but Amir isn't the ONE.
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Can't really go off of isolated examples. I don't remember, but how did Amir rank in these games vs the rest of the bowlers?

Point is, are his replacements outperforming him? If not, we need Amir.

Do we need a bowler who can bowl 10 over for 45 runs? If yes, we need Amir.

I don't care if he's a flop or not, if you are worse off without him, the other are bigger flops.
 
Snowflake said:
Can't really go off of isolated examples. I don't remember, but how did Amir rank in these games vs the rest of the bowlers?

Point is, are his replacements outperforming him? If not, we need Amir.

Do we need a bowler who can bowl 10 over for 45 runs? If yes, we need Amir.

I don't care if he's a flop or not, if you are worse off without him, the other are bigger flops.
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His economy is 5.2 against the top teams. Imo It won't make a difference if he's here or not.
 
Select players for roles and if Shaheen is your wicket taker upfront; Aamir will for sure be your bowler at the death. I know that his wicket taking form has been poor since champions trophy but his economy rate should not be ignored...
 
Nope, had enough of him

Hasnain needs to be backed here and a specialist spinner needs to be recalled if Shadab doesnt get fit
 
Rizwan_cricket expert said:
Select players for roles and if Shaheen is your wicket taker upfront; Aamir will for sure be your bowler at the death. I know that his wicket taking form has been poor since champions trophy but his economy rate should not be ignored...
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Again people want to bring Economy into the argument, Faheem has a better career economy rate than Amir then according to this logic Faheem should never be dropped or should always be picked ahead of Amir . That shouldn't be our approach. Amir was Amir because he was a wicket taker ,now he is not so he should be dropped for good. We need wicket takers in the team not bowlers who want to contain runs. In England on flattest pitches, quick outfields this approach doesn't work . We have to go for the wickets.
Rumman is a better option than Amir currently, we need Hasan to find his CT form back otherwise we will be in big trouble ..
 
how many times has faheem bowled four or five overs out of last ten in an ODI. Further, I am not saying we need only containing bowlers but i said to complement wicket taking bowlers like hassan and shaheen you need someone who can give captain the control which we clearly lacked in first ODI
 
I wich they select him (He should replace faheem) but the thing I worry about is hopefully his chickenpox doesn't spead to other players otherwise if too many players have chickenpox, WC is over for pakistan. I don't know why so many people are not talking about this problem
 
I would take him over Faheem Ashraf but a lack of match practice is concerning. Haris Rauf should be called up ideally but won’t happen realistically.
 
amir, is a weird one, don't know what to make of him, if the rest of pakistan pace battery was on fire then he should definitely be left out. but none of the others have exactly done something amazing. i think they should give junaid and hasnain a run in the next couple of game to see how they go. if they dont do anything that special a case could me made for amir. i really am confused about this so i don't know what is the right choice and who should miss out if he should play in wc
 
Farhan93 said:
Again people want to bring Economy into the argument, Faheem has a better career economy rate than Amir then according to this logic Faheem should never be dropped or should always be picked ahead of Amir . That shouldn't be our approach. Amir was Amir because he was a wicket taker ,now he is not so he should be dropped for good. We need wicket takers in the team not bowlers who want to contain runs. In England on flattest pitches, quick outfields this approach doesn't work . We have to go for the wickets.
Rumman is a better option than Amir currently, we need Hasan to find his CT form back otherwise we will be in big trouble ..
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Don't put random stats, rather use them with context. Faheem isn't fit to tie shoe laces of Amir.

How can you compare their career economy rates, when they both have played against different oppositions? Amir has mostly played against Top oppositions, while Faheem has done it against Zimbabwe B and Sri Lanka.

Since Faheem's debut, Amir has the 2nd best economy rate in the world of 4.5 Not sure how Faheem is better?

Against teams playing in the World Cup, Amir's is below 5 while Faheem's 5.4

In the same period Faheem's average is also poorer than Amir and so has his career average been.

Now coming to their batting where all-rounder Faheem should be better than Amir, Amir averages more than Faheem since his debut as well as career wise.

Faheem 12
Amir 20

Still, Faheem shouldn't be dropped compared with Amir?
 
Yeah. Kind of makes this whole Amir leaving out of the squad to prove himself stupid.

At least Amir keeps the runs down. I'm worried about the other two pacers. Shaheen is good, he's expensive and if the wickets stop as teams work him out more will be bad for us. He's still developing as a player, and been rushed to the World Cup due to lack of better options.

Hasan is struggling to both take wickets and control run rate and looks a shadow of what he was in 2017.

If we are to win the world cup on these sort of flat batting friendly pitches, it'll matter more how we control the run rate. A tight 5 man attack who don't give away any easy runs are more likely to restrict oppositions and create pressure leading to wickets that a few standout bowlers who will simply just be played out and the batsmen will feast on the weaker bowlers.

You could try perhaps Hasan with the new ball, maybe he'll rediscover form or something. But you can't leave Amir out of the squad even if you don't pick him for the initial team, he's got to be there in case we need him, the rest don't have the ability to control the run rate like Amir does.
 
He is good enough to be in world cup squad in place of Faheem or Hasnain.

Faheem has also taken only 1 wicket in his last 6 ODI.

Amir is Still Pakistan best bowler at the death
 
He's rubbish. Doesn't deserve to even be in the 17 man squad over Shinwari. That being said, if Faheem Ashraf carries on flopping, or JK and Hasnain don't do well (if Hasnain ges a game) then maybe Amir will replace one of those, which is unfair cos UKS>Amir but there's no chance for UKS :(
 
If not him then who else? Wahab, Shinwari and currently playing bowlers are worst or equally bad.
 
We need M.Amir back in the world cup squad!

These are absolute horrible pitches (worst than subcontinent phattas) in England, there is nothing for the bowlers and we desperately need M.Amir economical wicket less spell to save us from conceding 350+ runs every time , he is the only bowler who has brains to restrict batsmen from going big and will be the key if we are to settle opposition for anything less than 300.
 
If imam can score huge with better than run a bowl against quality bowling lineup than it shows that these are absolute roads we are playing cricket on.
 
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