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Key Takeaways from the performance:

1) Mohammad Asif is sorely lacking in fitness: After exertions in the first innings, Asif was not considered fit enough to be able to bowl at the start of the second innings. As his teammates were getting hammered, he was in the dressing room being of no use due to his poor fitness level. Asif's fitness levels aren't enough to take him through a four day domestic match (with a day of rest no less), so its a fool's errand to even expect he is anywhere near being able to play an international match

2) Asif fails to perform when the chips are down and the pressure is on him: After leaving his teammates in the lurch as HBL put a ton of runs on the board in the second innings, Asif came back to bowl later and could not do much and went wicketless despite having a crack with the second new ball. What is even worse is that as the pressure mounted, his shoulders dropped and he was smashed all over the place by an international reject and ended up with an economy rate of 4+ runs per over.

3) Asif lacks the ruthlessness and is unable to finish the job: One of the complaints fans had in his career before was that he would often trouble the top order and take wickets but then he would just let it slip away and the lower order and tail would be allowed to score as Asif's intensity dropped after the first couple of spells. This is still a huge problem as show here. In the first innings Asif and co had HBL on the ropes at 21/6. However they managed to get to 236 and Asif totally unable to make an impact. This also points to his poor fitness that once he gets dropped and the intensity dropped his utility reduces as well.


4) Asif is a liability when the ball is not in his hand and is a poor batsmen: It is clear he adds no value outside his bowling (which in itself has issues pointed above). He was always a mediocre fielders but whats worse is that his batting is as bad as it gets. He averaged 5 in Tests before and going by his performance with the bat in the first innings he has only regressed as a batsman.

In such a situation it is clear that Asif is just not ready for an international recall either from a cricketing perspective or from a match fitness perspective. He is no longer top class asides from a first spell with the new ball in favorable conditions which you dont get often. But whats worse is that after that he is a total liability at times and severely lacks fitness. It is clear that he has a lackadaisical attitude to cricket and thinks that his natural talent is enough to coast through. However it is painfully clear he just doesnt have the requisite fitness right now for survival in the international game
 
Some of the posters here are too emotional and prefer living in history. One good spell and they believe that Asif is the greatest genius Pakistan has ever produced. The guy was immensely great for us back in 2010. It's 2017 now. He hasn't played competitive cricket for 6.5 years. Whatever he did 6.5 years ago is history. It's unfair to expect Asif is ready to jump into the team anytime soon. I'm glad he wasn't selected for the Australia tour. He has done nothing to prove his match fitness, his ability to contribute other than his bowling and even bowling long spells. For me his career is over. He can just play domestic matches.
 
Even back then he was nothing extraordinary, he was a green top and a new ball bully. He has never ever blown away a tail and his intensity would never be the same in his later spells. Had he continually played in the UAE he would have eventually been exposed just like Amir is being exposed now.
 
Even back then he was nothing extraordinary, he was a green top and a new ball bully. He has never ever blown away a tail and his intensity would never be the same in his later spells. Had he continually played in the UAE he would have eventually been exposed just like Amir is being exposed now.
Yes yes we know. Shoaib Akhtar was the bestest ever
 
Inaccurate post and a misleading bait title.

Sorry but you aren't going to have many takers for this twisted use of words to post inaccurate info.

Remind me again his qea average and intl bowling average.

You're posting what a biased mind would say. Not reality.
 
Even back then he was nothing extraordinary, he was a green top and a new ball bully. He has never ever blown away a tail and his intensity would never be the same in his later spells. Had he continually played in the UAE he would have eventually been exposed just like Amir is being exposed now.

He was extraordinarily good on seaming wickets/conditions aiding swing but has never shown the ability to perform on flat wickets. Never had the pace to succeed on them. A fine bowler all the same.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

How do you defend his nonexistent fitness and terrible second innings performance with the pressure on? Someone needs to be answerable :))
 
Well there are 2 extremes on PP,never a middle ground. One that cries for Asif's inclusion, another that hates his guts. One match is not enough to conclude that he lacks impact in the 2nd innings or that he is "unable to finish the job".

Give him more time, it's too early to select him, too early to push him away.
 
More feelings and least substance.


Any player who has food poisoning or stomach upset during match won't be able to give magical performance. This is neither an age issue not an injury issue.


Out of Top 4 best spells of QEA 2016-2017 3 have been bowled by Asif.


Asif is most skilled right arm pacer in Pakistan.



I have no idea that why Slog is lobbying against Asif since last many days.


Sloggy hasn't been like this in past.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

How do you defend his nonexistent fitness and terrible second innings performance with the pressure on? Someone needs to be answerable :))
How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is it just him?

Habib Bank made 485-1!

That shows that it is a bowler's graveyard.

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75
QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18

Mohammad Asif has been almost three times as good as everybody else in the QEA Final!
 
Key Takeaways from the performance:

1) Mohammad Asif is sorely lacking in fitness: He had food poisoning, can't really cite that as a lack of fitness.

2) Asif fails to perform when the chips are down and the pressure is on him: The pitch was a graveyard, I mean even Shehzad scored a century.

3) Asif lacks the ruthlessness and is unable to finish the job: The ball gets damaged very quickly, and the greenness of the pitch is quickly rendered useless due to this.


4) Asif is a liability when the ball is not in his hand and is a poor batsmen: Well every team can have a #11, and Asif's opening spells make up for his batting, or rather lack thereof.

Just my thoughts.
 
It's over for him. The spot fixing allegations will also have had a massive psychological effect on him from which it will be almost impossible to recover at his age. Being poorly educated and lacking in wordily understanding he seems to have a bleak future. Heard many years back that he was to star in some Bollywood movie also seems to have bitten the dust. Should have enhanced his skills and gained some education during his ban. Out of the three involved in spot fixing he was easily the most vulnerable, Butt is well educated where as Amir had time on his side.
 
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Well there are 2 extremes on PP,never a middle ground. One that cries for Asif's inclusion, another that hates his guts. One match is not enough to conclude that he lacks impact in the 2nd innings or that he is "unable to finish the job".

Give him more time, it's too early to select him, too early to push him away.
On the off chance that he was 20 odd years old we could give him additional time yet the reality is he is approaching 34 and subsequently doesn't have time.

He is practically on his last legs.
 
On the off chance that he was 20 odd years old we could give him additional time yet the reality is he is approaching 34 and subsequently doesn't have time.

He is practically on his last legs.

Hadlee took 230 test wickets after the age of 34.

Walsh 210 test wickets after age of 34.


Visuals do not suggest that he is on his last legs.

No wear and tear for 6 years.

No major injury in career.


Still same body weight as 6 years back. 100 % same runup , action and follow through.


Don't forget there is huge social media pressure to select Asif because of the bowling footages of this season.


He will be back.
 
Totally false title, it reeks of personal bias.
How exactly?

Asif performed in the first innings on a deck that was doing a fair bit and then comes along the second innings; deck has flattened out and Asif is incapable of picking a wicket.

Bias or Logic?
 
Yet, we keep selecting Sohail Khan who is consistently unfit in 2nd innings.
 
Hadlee took 230 test wickets after the age of 34.

Walsh 210 test wickets after age of 34.


Visuals do not suggest that he is on his last legs.

No wear and tear for 6 years.

No major injury in career.


Still same body weight as 6 years back. 100 % same runup , action and follow through.


Don't forget there is huge social media pressure to select Asif because of the bowling footages of this season.


He will be back.
You think the PCB is going to succumb to pressure being exerted by nobodies on social media?
 
You think the PCB is going to succumb to pressure being exerted by nobodies on social media?


Pakistan has a history of selecting players due to public pressure. Add to it the guy's magic is mesmerising people and ICC has once again given their opinion in favour of Asif & Butt since they have served their punishments.


PCB has to stop acting like a Ziddi child and let sense prevail.
 
How exactly?

Asif performed in the first innings on a deck that was doing a fair bit and then comes along the second innings; deck has flattened out and Asif is incapable of picking a wicket.

Bias or Logic?


Play a 5 day match with a hard ball. I hope not but if you get food poisoning during match than I shall ask you how you feel and what your output is in the field.


Come-On you are good enough not to present such type of irrational analogies.
 
Asif was world class on day 1. Some deliveries were breathtaking. That's what matters.

Fitness will not be an issue for Asif just like TalentspotterPK said he is basically still the same . The more he plays the better he will get.

IF you do not like Asif then just say it instead of creating topics that do not make sense. If Sohail Khan can improve his test match fitness then this is a very minor issue for Asif.
 
dead right in the op.

asif was and is one of my all time favourite bolwers (not person). but facts are facts. he is not match fit, and has not demonstrated that he is good enough to make the national team and is better than others. thats proven, demonstrable fact.

whats also fact is that he made use of a helpful wicket on the first day - proven by the fact that he hasnt been able to replicate that in this match or any of his other games in the qea. he might return to his best, he might become a world beater again - but theres no evidence of it - thats unbiased, cold, black and white fact.
 
Play a 5 day match with a hard ball. I hope not but if you get food poisoning during match than I shall ask you how you feel and what your output is in the field.


Come-On you are good enough not to present such type of irrational analogies.
When did Asif go down with food poisoning?

He didn't show any visible signs of food poisoning; he was bowling with the same pace as he was in the first innings.
 
butt?? the world is clamouring for his boring 35s?

talk about bias.
 
For the last 15 years we have had mediocre bowler after another and the one guy that was very good had less brain cells than Wayne Rooney. What a waste!
 
None of the haters seem to be responding to this absolute repudiation of the entire thread.

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18
 
None of the haters seem to be responding to this absolute repudiation of the entire thread.

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18
Wait until the game finishes...
 
Wait until the game finishes...
Please bear in mind that I'm not arguing that Mohammad Asif ever be selected in India or the UAE.

I agree with the general consensus that he is a terrific outside-Asia bowler, whose reliance on bounce from a full length and whose medium-pace make him fairly ordinary in Asia.
 
cant be any worse than some of the other players that get selected

that being said, he should have to work harder and perform better in these tournaments due to his past and that it's like his 3rd chance
 
I bit of game yesterday morning session, both Asif and Irfan were looking bit slower than first day. Asif did cause few problems to Shehzad in first few overs.
 
Yes, the smartest magician of a bowler to grace planet Earth allowed Stuart Broad to make 169 and England to recover from 102/7 to 446. Wonder why he found it difficult to "set-up" a tail-ender?

Fun fact - In terms of average he was the 9th best bowler in that "GOLDEN" series where conditions most suited his bowling.

Yep, he averaged 33.66.

And yeah before anyone points out, he had the 7th best economy rate and 9th best SR. Only Shoaib Malik, Umar Amin and Danish Kaneria had worse stats across both the teams. 2 of them are not even front line bowlers. :asif
 
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This has become a pointless war.

Bottom line is Asif is not selected for Australia and let's be happy that PCB took the right decision for a change.

No point crying over what he wouldn't have or would have done.
 
None of the haters seem to be responding to this absolute repudiation of the entire thread.

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18
Means nothing

The wickets are when conditions were good and his team was on top

Otherwise he got smacked around at 4+ am over

You can't pick someone on the hope that we MAY get good conditions and also get to bowl in them while st the same time hoping his fitness doesn't let us down
 
Salman Butt and Asif in the same side with Butt as captain? Wow! I am worried for the youngsters in that side.
 
None of the haters seem to be responding to this absolute repudiation of the entire thread.

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18

Lol. "Underwhelming". Asif is easily one of the top five pacers in the world today. However, he's on his last legs now and his true strength lies outside Asia, where we are not scheduled to play again until 2018, IIRC.
 
Why can not people stay neutral and give objective comments?

Cricket is a team-game, every bowler has to chip in and now and then you see a bowler getting 6-for or a 7-for. Pakistan's big problem has been that they don't take the wickets with the new ball. If Asif can take 2-3 wickets with the new ball then he has done his job im my opinion snd the rest of the bolwers need to stand up.

But re his fitness, well that is a serious issue, but that will be sorted out the more he plays. Sohail Khan isnt exactly the fittest bowler either?
 
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Pakistan is missing Asif with the pink ball.

When the main issue is new ball bowling CS is more interested in bowler's ability to strike with old ball.

#Bring back M Asif
 
If anyone thinks Asif would have been all over Aussies on this pitch and in such conditions they need to reevaluate
 
Delaying Asif's rehab and entry into domestic cricket is costing Pakistan massively.

He could have helped us win 1 more test in England matching Chris Woakes. Would have been a Series win.

Here we are missing him with the new ball.

CS must understand that our main issue is New Ball bowling.

Let Amir, Wahab & Yasir dislodge the tail and let Asif dislodge top batsman of the opposing Teams as like previous and what exactly he is doing in Fc Cricket this year.
 
he could have won us matches, yes. (no evidence and pure guesswork)

or he could have broken down and lost us matches (since that seems to have happened so often this qea tournament where he played less than half the games)

or he could have been totally ineffective (as he has been most qea tournament except for one or two spells in five or six games)

or he could have returned worse figures than the existing bowlers (like he has been in the qea vs half the other bowlers on show).

anything could have happened, but most likely wouldnt have.
 
Amir needs Asif to partner him with the new ball.

Such a disappointment not to see Country's best Right Arm Pacer pairing Amir :-/
 
Why can not people stay neutral and give objective comments?

Cricket is a team-game, every bowler has to chip in and now and then you see a bowler getting 6-for or a 7-for. Pakistan's big problem has been that they don't take the wickets with the new ball. If Asif can take 2-3 wickets with the new ball then he has done his job im my opinion snd the rest of the bolwers need to stand up.

But re his fitness, well that is a serious issue, but that will be sorted out the more he plays. Sohail Khan isnt exactly the fittest bowler either?
He doesn't have luxury of fixing his fitness

And this is poor logic. That just cuz of one player isn't fit it gives license to the other as well

Btw what is Asif's record in Australia. Does he average like 20 or sth the way people are talking about Him
 
He doesn't have luxury of fixing his fitness

And this is poor logic. That just cuz of one player isn't fit it gives license to the other as well

Btw what is Asif's record in Australia. Does he average like 20 or sth the way people are talking about Him

Asif has played 4 Tests in Australia and has a bowling avg of 35.
 
Asif has played 4 Tests in Australia and has a bowling avg of 35.

And all courtesy of one performance is Sydney on the first day of a match where there were thick black clouds and inch long grass strands shooting up from the pitch.....

And even then it was Mohammad Sami of all people who gave the impetus by taking two quick early wickets
 
Lol. "Underwhelming". Asif is easily one of the top five pacers in the world today. However, he's on his last legs now and his true strength lies outside Asia, where we are not scheduled to play again until 2018, IIRC.
West Indies.

May 2017.

Dukes ball.
 
What Mickey Arthur said about Imran Khan should be a damning indicament for Mohammad Asif.. If we get tired bodies on the pitch that bowl a little above 120kph, we are hardly doing ourselves any favors, specially in Australian pitches..

As if we don't have Sohail Khan enough as a tired bowler past 10 overs
 
Asif agrees that his fitness is nowhere near the required level
 
Point 4 is irrelevant given what he brings to the table in terms of his skill set as a specialist bowler and I agree with point 1, point 2 and 3 plus thread title don't make any sense very ignorant/Mamoon-style-attention-seeking/discussion-derailing/trademark-agenda given Asif's pedigree.
 
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He should quit the game and take up coaching as a profession and give something back to pakistan if at all it can undo his wrongdoings, he is done for international cricket.
 
Asif agrees that his fitness is nowhere near the required level

Indeed. Asif himself is on the record as saying he needs another season of domestic cricket before he's ready for international cricket but it never stopped Junaids from banging on about how he must be selected for the tours of New Zealand and Australia :))
 
OP and haters still haven't justified the misleading - and I'm being polite - title of this thread.'

I repeat:

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18

Mohammad Asif was almost three times as good as everybody else in the QEA Final.

This thread is utterly disingenuous.
 
Asif has publicly admitted that he isn't fit enough to make a comeback right now.
 
Does anyone apart from [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] bhai believe that having Asif who averages 75+ on Australian tracks (asides from Sydney green mamba) would have made ANY difference

Warner would have been licking his lips at the sight of him bowling his 120kph half trackers on the pitches we played on
 
OP and haters still haven't justified the misleading - and I'm being polite - title of this thread.'

I repeat:

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18

Mohammad Asif was almost three times as good as everybody else in the QEA Final.

This thread is utterly disingenuous.

Lol why would you lump everyone else's performances together :)))
 
Lol why would you lump everyone else's performances together :)))

because it includes all the part timers and is desperate enough to justify the position for people unable to think for themselves.

as it happens, according to asif himself and inzi first hand, asif is not fit or ready, but as soon as/if he is, he will be under consideration. inzi has even very correctly said that had he been in charge when amir was first available for selection, he would have let him build up his confidence in skills for another three months in domestics before selecting him.

i suppose the blind just cant see though. or read. or hear. or even think by the looks of things.
 
OP and haters still haven't justified the misleading - and I'm being polite - title of this thread.'

I repeat:

QEA FINAL: Mohammad Asif: 33.4 overs - 5 maidens - 91 runs - 4 wickets average 22.75

QEA FINAL EVERYONE ELSE: 314.2 overs - 53 maidens - 972 runs - 17 wickets - average 57.18

Mohammad Asif was almost three times as good as everybody else in the QEA Final.

This thread is utterly disingenuous.
Asif took 6-41 under cloud cover in 2009-10 bowling first.

This year Pakistan bowled first again, under cloud cover.
 
Does anyone apart from [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] bhai believe that having Asif who averages 75+ on Australian tracks (asides from Sydney green mamba) would have made ANY difference

Warner would have been licking his lips at the sight of him bowling his 120kph half trackers on the pitches we played on

I never wanted Asif beyond this series.

But he is 5 inches taller than Amir and Imran and can bowl the right line and length.

Which is why his Test record is what it is.
 
I never wanted Asif beyond this series.

But he is 5 inches taller than Amir and Imran and can bowl the right line and length.

Which is why his Test record is what it is.

Meaning a 75 average in Australia when pitch is not a green mamba?
 
Meaning a 75 average in Australia when pitch is not a green mamba?

Asif after his first two Tests averaged 191 with the ball and had a SR of 312 with only 1 Test wicket to his name.

This included a debut Test vs Australia in Australia plus a Test vs India at Faisalabad Pakistan.


If you take out his debut Test vs Australia than he averages 28 with the ball in Australia. Imran averaged 28 and Wasim averaged 24 while Waqar averaged 40 and Shoaib averaged 43.


The closest we came beating Australia in Australia in last 21 years was in Sydney Test 2009-2010 and Asif took 9 wickets in that match.
 
Asif after his first two Tests averaged 191 with the ball and had a SR of 312 with only 1 Test wicket to his name.

This included a debut Test vs Australia in Australia plus a Test vs India at Faisalabad Pakistan.


If you take out his debut Test vs Australia than he averages 28 with the ball in Australia. Imran averaged 28 and Wasim averaged 24 while Waqar averaged 40 and Shoaib averaged 43.


The closest we came beating Australia in Australia in last 21 years was in Sydney Test 2009-2010 and Asif took 9 wickets in that match.



He averages 33 I think (maybe I'm wrong)

BUT. If you are removing his worst performance then you must also remove his best to see whether he was consistent or it was just a fluke

And once you remove that Sydney performance it's a sorry reading

The Sydney wickets were exclusively cos of the green pitch which is prolly the greenest pitch we have played in last 8 years including 2010 England tour and recent NZ tour. Btw even in that match it was pace of Sami which started the collapse
 
Asif took 6-41 under cloud cover in 2009-10 bowling first.

This year Pakistan bowled first again, under cloud cover.

The Sydney pitch in 2010 also had a lot of grass, unlike the one this time. Asif is a harmless trundler on flat, grassless wickets. Always has been, and Warner would have taken him to the cleaners.
 
The Sydney pitch in 2010 also had a lot of grass, unlike the one this time. Asif is a harmless trundler on flat, grassless wickets. Always has been, and Warner would have taken him to the cleaners.


Average of 10.76 and strike rate of 26.1 in Srilanka defies it.


Sangakara has 6830 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 60.44 with 22 Tons

Jayawardene has 7170 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 59.77 with 23 Tons.


Samaraweera has 3123 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 53.44 with 8 Test Tons.


Averages of 7 other fast bowlers show what the pitches were like in that series.
 

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Average of 10.76 and strike rate of 26.1 in Srilanka defies it.


Sangakara has 6830 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 60.44 with 22 Tons

Jayawardene has 7170 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 59.77 with 23 Tons.


Samaraweera has 3123 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 53.44 with 8 Test Tons.


Averages of 7 other fast bowlers show what the pitches were like in that series.

What are his chances of playing WI series? We do need a couple of new right armers to replace Imran and Sohail.
 
Average of 10.76 and strike rate of 26.1 in Srilanka defies it.


Sangakara has 6830 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 60.44 with 22 Tons

Jayawardene has 7170 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 59.77 with 23 Tons.


Samaraweera has 3123 Test runs on Srilankan pitches at an average of 53.44 with 8 Test Tons.


Averages of 7 other fast bowlers show what the pitches were like in that series.

Two matches do not define a career. I have seen Asif struggle on flat wickets quite a bit in Pakistan and Australia. Without seam movement and swing, he was simply not quick enough to create trouble on grassless wickets because he was not an exponent of reverse-swing.

There is no doubt at all that he would have had very little impact had he played in this Australian series, and I wish that along with Butt and Umar, he would have been part of the playing XI so that the myth that Pakistan would have won with these three players in the team would have been ripped apart.

Had Amir not played this series, people would have said that he would made a big difference based on his 5-fer at the MCG in 2009/10 on a flat wicket.
 
Meaning a 75 average in Australia when pitch is not a green mamba?

Yeah whenever Asif took wickets, the pitches were green mambas. Similarly, whenever Yousuf scored abroad the pitch was a road.

If they both performed in the same match, the pitch alternated between between green mamba and a road depending on who was bowling/batting.

These cherry picked fabricated lies are juvenile and comical.
 
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Asif bowled on a green mamba in Sydney in 2010, which is historically Australia's flattest and most spin friendly wicket.

Asif bowls out australia for 127 in 44.2 overs taking 6/41. All of a sudden the mighty pakistani batting line - consisting of stalwarts such as Imran Farhat, Faisal Iqbal and Umar Akmal - turns up and scores 333.

Obviously, the pitch knew when to conveniently change its color and behavior.
 
So if Sydney 2009-10 was a green mamba, what does that tell us about Salman Butt (71 and 21) and Umar Akmal (49 and 49).
 
So if Sydney 2009-10 was a green mamba, what does that tell us about Salman Butt (71 and 21) and Umar Akmal (49 and 49).

That Salman Butt was semi decent 7 years ago where eventhough he was overall mediocre with an average in 30s, he could play some good innings back then.

Umar Akmal was streaky in a lot of the shots he played and threw away good starts. And again it was 7 years ago and going through beginner's luck
 
Asif bowled on a green mamba in Sydney in 2010, which is historically Australia's flattest and most spin friendly wicket.

Asif bowls out australia for 127 in 44.2 overs taking 6/41. All of a sudden the mighty pakistani batting line - consisting of stalwarts such as Imran Farhat, Faisal Iqbal and Umar Akmal - turns up and scores 333.

Obviously, the pitch knew when to conveniently change its color and behavior.

Yes if you watched the match you would know

On the first day there was massive grey clouds and a green pitch. As the match goes on the green goes away as anyon who has followed cricket for any amount of time would be able to tell you.

And importantly Sami gave us the early breakthroughs. Do not forget that Australia were 10/3 due to three Sami wickets which destoryed their top order. Why not bring him back aswell?
 
That Salman Butt was semi decent 7 years ago where eventhough he was overall mediocre with an average in 30s, he could play some good innings back then.

Umar Akmal was streaky in a lot of the shots he played and threw away good starts. And again it was 7 years ago and going through beginner's luck

I feel quite a weight off my shoulders in that I'm on record saying that I didn't want either Asif or Butt back beyond this 2016-17 Australia Test tour. Although I'm starting to become resigned to an Asif return simply because the other right-arm pacers are so poor, and probably at least as old.

No offence, but you really seem to be determined to have your cake and eat it too.

I'd be grateful if you could advise what technical deterioration you have observed between the 2009-10 and 2016-17 Salman Butt.

You and I both know that a Pakistan batsman who is competent outside off-stump comes around roughly every 20 years. Azhar Ali has done well in a series in which you yourself put forward that the pitches have been grassless.

Salman Butt was a petty criminal who too often did not knuckle down and play sensible innings. But in Australia he was the best Pakistan batsman that I have ever seen - and I've watched games down here for decades. And it's pretty obvious that his technique would be equally suited to South African conditions too.
 
I think based on the comments from inzi and Arthur, pakistan do not seem interested in recalling Salman, Asif or Kamran, which is strange because they are still OK to recall Irfan and Hafeez and are OK to play YK, Misbah, Wahan, Malik and so many other players above 30.

Clear double standards by the management and selectors.
 
Yes if you watched the match you would know

On the first day there was massive grey clouds and a green pitch. As the match goes on the green goes away as anyon who has followed cricket for any amount of time would be able to tell you.

And importantly Sami gave us the early breakthroughs. Do not forget that Australia were 10/3 due to three Sami wickets which destoryed their top order. Why not bring him back aswell?

I did watch the match and also watched several matches. And anyone who has followed cricket will tell you to look beyond just one match and beyond the color of the pitch and clouds etc. The point is Asif was a phenomenal new ball bowler and his record all over the world speaks for itself.

Every bowler will find helpful conditions sometimes and unhelpful conditions at others, but only very good bowlers such as end up with sub 25 average.

it's a very weak argument to point to pitch conditions and other factors to make your point - which by the way isn't much of a point to begin with. The fact that you want to compare Sami with Asif is a testament that you argument has no legs to stand on.
 
I did watch the match and also watched several matches. And anyone who has followed cricket will tell you to look beyond just one match and beyond the color of the pitch and clouds etc. The point is Asif was a phenomenal new ball bowler and his record all over the world speaks for itself.

Every bowler will find helpful conditions sometimes and unhelpful conditions at others, but only very good bowlers such as end up with sub 25 average.

it's a very weak argument to point to pitch conditions and other factors to make your point - which by the way isn't much of a point to begin with. The fact that you want to compare Sami with Asif is a testament that you argument has no legs to stand on.
The fact that you think in comparing Asif to Sami is only testament to your poor comprehension skills :))
 
The fact that you think in comparing Asif to Sami is only testament to your poor comprehension skills :))
My friend, does it even matter?

Why don't we just agree to move forward?

I happen to think that a new 2 year Test cycle has begun and that it's much more important to groom Sameen Gul and Mohammad Irfan Junior than to recall a fast bowler as old as Asif.

Yes, I would have had him for the last 6 months. But it's too late now - let's just put it behind us and move on.
 
My friend, does it even matter?

Why don't we just agree to move forward?

I happen to think that a new 2 year Test cycle has begun and that it's much more important to groom Sameen Gul and Mohammad Irfan Junior than to recall a fast bowler as old as Asif.

Yes, I would have had him for the last 6 months. But it's too late now - let's just put it behind us and move on.


Yes. I agree!
 
Ateeq uz Zamaan former Pakistan Wicket Keeper and current Coach of SSGC has said that no fast bowler bowled better new ball spells in QEA 2016-2017 than Mohammad Asif.

He said that Asif on a flat dead track of hyderabad bowled beautifully with the new ball against us.

Ateeq said that He agrees with Salman Butt's statement that Asif hasn't worked as hard as himself and Amir in last 5 years but He is still the best New ball bowler in Pakistan.


Asif in his interview with Waheed Khan was told that Salman has said that Asif is not showing the hunger. At this Asif said that his mindset is abit different. He prays to God and than tries his best to perform inside the rope. He doesn't beg people that please select me his weapon is the ball and he wants the ball to talk for him. Asif said that off season he will be working at NCA and will improve his fitness further in order to meet International standards.
 
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