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Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez

He needs to go seriously and should be considered as a bowler only.

That means he replaces Ajmal or Afridi in the line up. As both Afridi & Ajmal are better bowlers than HA HA feez, he needs to be booted out of the team.

Put a decent batsman in team like Sohail or Amin instead of Hafeez & our batting will improve.

It's not rocket science, but when have the Pakistan selectors been even normal scientists when it comes to selection matters??
 
He should play at six and akmal or shafiq should play up the order..his twenty odds would mean more down the order..
 
tkkhan77 said:
Must we replace a bowling all-rounder with a bowling all-rounder when we already have afridi. Why dont we have a batting all-rounder who may be able to bowl some overs if need be. Babar azam, Maqsood, or Amin could do the job. My point is how many bowling options do we have to have in a team with suspect batting.
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Do you feel Afridi will consistently give you 10 amazing overs all the time ?

Where do you go if you drop Hafeez and include Afridi as bowling all-rounder.

My only beef is , instead of being emotional be logical.

The Afridi we know , blows hot and cold. He will never give you consistentcy, be it batting or bowling.

I am okay with an all round batsmen too, but if Afridi feels the heat in a game, there is no one to stem the flow of runs.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Do you feel Afridi will consistently give you 10 amazing overs all the time ?

Where do you go if you drop Hafeez and include Afridi as bowling all-rounder.

My only beef is , instead of being emotional be logical.

The Afridi we know , blows hot and cold. He will never give you consistentcy, be it batting or bowling.

I am okay with an all round batsmen too, but if Afridi feels the heat in a game, there is no one to stem the flow of runs.
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The only time Afridi was consistently going for runs in a series, was his last series in SA.
Hashim Amla and especially AB were tremendous against him.

But if look, in the same series, Hafeez was also going for about as many runs as Afridi.
 
Mobashir said:
The only time Afridi was consistently going for runs in a series, was his last series in SA.
Hashim Amla and especially AB were tremendous against him.

But if look, in the same series, Hafeez was also going for about as many runs as Afridi.
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Exactly.

So in essence, we're saying is if Afridi is going for runs, let him keep bowling and going for runs.

Tough luck.

I am okay with that thought too, just as long as we then don't expect too much from Afridi.
Cuz the pressure on Afridi will be to perform with the ball in every game. And you know what happens when Afridi has to perform under pressure : )
 
This is not about Afridi. It's about Hafeez. Stick to the topic. Who can give the captain-in waiting, a wake up call? :moin
 
hafeez is praying to survive until we play at 'home' in UAE.
 
Seriously its because of him Pakistan batting is so woeful. He's not much different from Misbah. Get rid of these 2 so Pakistan young batsman can play how they want to play.
 
Waiting for the untouchable Prof to be sent back home to teach kindergarten kids.
 
really its enough now , we cant hav hafeez in ODI's or test any more
PLZ Moin Drop him , when afridi could b dropped , its easy to drop this bits and pieces player
 
Well, if logic dictates that Hafeez should be dropped, then so should Shehzad and Jamshed right? Oh but wait...is Shehzad or Jamshed one of the Top 10 bowlers in the world? No. But the Professor is, give him some support guys....his form will change soon. Plus Jamshed is one of the most pathetic fielders i have ever seen....
 
mussu-100 said:
Well, if logic dictates that Hafeez should be dropped, then so should Shehzad and Jamshed right? Oh but wait...is Shehzad or Jamshed one of the Top 10 bowlers in the world? No. But the Professor is, give him some support guys....his form will change soon. Plus Jamshed is one of the most pathetic fielders i have ever seen....
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Yes , we forgot that jamshed and shazad also have been playing international cricket for more than a decade and have been failing consistently.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Yes , we forgot that jamshed and shazad also have been playing international cricket for more than a decade and have been failing consistently.
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Finally someone with logic. People are asking their topscorer since 2011 to be dropped....and a world class bowler. They seem to forget that our WHOLE team is failing!
 
JibranAnsari said:
Yes , we forgot that jamshed and shazad also have been playing international cricket for more than a decade and have been failing consistently.
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Not even close to a decade, but theyve both not lived up to their potential.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
in ODIs has to be :umarakmal
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Agreed 100%. But after that all we got is Misbah, and then a whole lot of failures. So how do we distinguish one failure from another? We see their contributions to the team....and Hafeez IMO, has big contributions in the batting, bowling and fielding departments since his return.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
bashing minnows since his return... :yk
against top teams...
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/stats...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround
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Well most of our players cant even bash minnows...:facepalm:
And I know that his form hasnt been good since the beggining of this year, exclude 2013, and you will get much better stats....Hafeez is an economical bowler in my eyes not a wickettaker.
Why dont you take out Afridi's stats in the same period, they will be worse especially his batting. What gives him a position in the team?
The stats for most of our batsmen will be absolutely pathetic, not just Hafeez. Dont blame Hafeez for our failures....blame Misbah for the negative minset that he has set in the dressing room. Seems like all our players have forgotten how to bat. Ill give you an example, look at the stats for Hafeez under Misbah, and under Afridi. You tell me the difference?
 
mussu-100 said:
Well most of our players cant even bash minnows...:facepalm:
And I know that his form hasnt been good since the beggining of this year, exclude 2013, and you will get much better stats....Hafeez is an economical bowler in my eyes not a wickettaker.
Why dont you take out Afridi's stats in the same period, they will be worse especially his batting. What gives him a position in the team?
The stats for most of our batsmen will be absolutely pathetic, not just Hafeez. Dont blame Hafeez for our failures....blame Misbah for the negative minset that he has set in the dressing room. Seems like all our players have forgotten how to bat. Ill give you an example, look at the stats for Hafeez under Misbah, and under Afridi. You tell me the difference?
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both Hafeez and Misbah are rubbish.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
both Hafeez and Misbah are rubbish.
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Yeah we all wish we had 6 Umar Akmal's in the team, but unfortunately we dont. So we a dealing with the best we have and unfortunately all the people you want to replace Hafeez with are ****. From Shafiq to Azhar to Amin.
 
mussu-100 said:
Yeah we all wish we had 6 Umar Akmal's in the team, but unfortunately we dont. So we a dealing with the best we have and unfortunately all the people you want to replace Hafeez with are ****. From Shafiq to Azhar to Amin.
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shafiq and azhar don't cut it in ODIs IMO.
Amin deserves more chances, so does Fawad Alam.
Sohaib Maqsood/Babar Azam can replace Hafeez.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
shafiq and azhar don't cut it in ODIs IMO.
Amin deserves more chances, so does Fawad Alam.
Sohaib Maqsood/Babar Azam can replace Hafeez.
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Alam IMO is one of the worst players to replace Hafeez, he cant be judged on domestic performances; infact no one can. Alams bowling is almost useless in the international circuit, and batting is questionable. Amin has been given a fair amount of chances, he has shown promise but nothing of substance. The case with Sohaib and Babar is that they are talented but they have to be groomed first, not just shoved onto the international scene. The pressure of replacing a player with Hafeez's stature is BIG. It could ruin them. The problem with all these players is that they are capable batsmen, but none of them are international level bowlers. Thus it reduces our options greatly.
 
Useful ODI and T20 player, but he should not bat higher than #6. Drop him from test side when touring outside subcontinent. He easily deserves place in limited overs Cricket team.
 
Pretty sure had he bowled at the death we would have won.

Hafeez is many things, but an expensive bowler he is not.

He's one of the best if not the best in the world when it comes to bowling tight overs and keeping the run rate down.
 
What should be done with Hafeez?

I have never been a fan of Hafeez the batsman. He has been playing for a decade now for Pakistan and still is a very inconsistent batsman. Barring the Indian tour, I can't remember if he has done anything special with his bat for us apart from a game here and there.


Nevertheless, his bowling at the same time has been very significant for us during the middle overs. He comes in, bowls his quota of overs very quietly keeping the economy rates under control and take a wicket or two on regular basis. This has been a savior facet of his position in our team, which has also given him a valid case to justify his selection on every occasion in the past 1 year or so.

At the same time, he seems to hold a very strong position in the team management and seems to be too powerful to be dropped. The way he was commanding the fielders in the penultimate overs in today's match further intimates his status. Misbah also seems to be pleased to have him along his side as Hafeez suits his style of captaincy which is more on the defensive scale.

Aren't these double standards from Misbah or selection committee to not drop Hafeez the batsman when he isn't performing but then players like Jamshed and Shafiq are immediately replaced after a few disappointing shows. If I were Malik, Akmals, Afridi, or even Farhat, I would be feeling jealous the way Hafeez is treated like a golden child!

Now if he can't be dropped from the 11, should he be rather pushed down the order, and be played like an all-rounder, ? Should the management adapt the same planning which was applied on Afridi who used to open at the start of his career but years later was asked to concentrate more on his bowling? Both Afridi and Hafeez have been batting more like tailenders recently than as genuine batsman, so why insist with Hafeez and have different policies for others?
 
Honestly I think his batting average would be leagues ahead of what it is now if he batted at number 6/7 Let someone like Misbah/Haris/Akmal take the pivotal number 3 spot
 
Send your best batsman up the order. So follow Shehzad with Umar Akmal, Misbah and whoever. Then send in Hammad Azam or Hafeez. Hafeez is a good option in ODI's as he is a rich man's Nicky Boje. Hafeez is a good handy cricketer but he is not a top order batsman whereas I think he could actually do a half-decent job down the order.
 
PLay Hafeez down the order, like india play Jadeja. Hafeez would probably do better than Jadeja down the order and also with the ball
 
Muhammad Hafeez averaging his 'average' since Jan 2012.

Has scored 906 runs in 34 matches averaging 27.45 @ sr 73. Scored 2 hundreds and 4 fifties. 253 of the 907 runs have come against ireland and BD @average 84. Exclude these runs and the mighty professor averages 21.8. But the professor super technique keeps on batting in top three.
 
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Still batting at #3.

India: Kohli
SL: Sanga
Eng: Trott
SA: Duminy/ABDV

:facepalm:
 
He needs to be kicked out seriously SA tour had proved he will remain pathetic against quality opposition the ball is in :moin's court
 
Bat him at 6 kick afridi out you would see improvements in everything
 
Why doesn't he realize he is an all rounder?

1st ODI: Not playing with the bat to a ball coming in, bowled.
2nd ODI: Decent start, goes down the track to Narine, for no reason, trying to slog him for six to long on, when he knows there's a fielder there!

3rd ODI: Received a good short ball, but should've realized that both openers had gotten out pulling, so he shouldn't commit the same mistake. Debutant Haris Sohail realized this.
 
prolly the worst of top 4 odi batsmen of any line up in the world...in all fairness he should be batting somewhr around 7 or 8....
 
Well over a 100 ODI matches and only 16 50s lol even teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh with that many games have almost double that amount of 50s.
 
Hafees just in not mentally a batsman.. he has alot of shots.. but has as many ways to get him out..
 
It should be a shoot out between him and afridi for the miner 7 spot, we don't have the luxury of having both
 
If i remember in 2010 when the fix happened then he was not recalled because he performed in domestic rather it was that he is an expereiinced n mature player thats why picked because team can;t any lose cannon youngster :amir
 
iHammad said:
Why doesn't he realize he is an all rounder?

1st ODI: Not playing with the bat to a ball coming in, bowled.
2nd ODI: Decent start, goes down the track to Narine, for no reason, trying to slog him for six to long on, when he knows there's a fielder there!

3rd ODI: Received a good short ball, but should've realized that both openers had gotten out pulling, so he shouldn't commit the same mistake. Debutant Haris Sohail realized this.
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It is not for him to realize, it is for those idiot selectors and coaching staff to realize this moron is not no 3 batsman.

Just like WI will never be any good with clowns who parade as all rounders in Bravo and Pollard.

You cannot have clown like Hafeez at no3 and also Afridi in the team.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
I'm pretty sure even Bangladesh have a better no.3.
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no we dont

all our other position is OK.....but we had Sir Jahurul Islam batting at the most important batting position of all and has scored only 1 half century in his brilliant International career with over 30 matches, inlcuding about 7 test matches :)
 
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Re: Muhammad Hafeez averaging his 'average' since Jan 2012.

He should be in the "Jadeja" slot.
 
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pakistanigoneaussie said:
Hafeez also has talent, he just is mentally awful and has no brain while batting
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He has a wonderful cricket brain .

Problem is that he thinks to much. Over thinks and therefore gets out.


(He would make an excellent vice captain)
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
He has a wonderful cricket brain .

Problem is that he thinks to much. Over thinks and therefore gets out.


(He would make an excellent vice captain)
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I don't see how his t20 captaincy hasn't been good overall

As I said before as a captain id have him over afridi and misbah any day. It's just hafeez's refusal to play down the order and afridi's spot being guaranteed for a year that complicates things. Hence why I propose the radical choice of fawad alam. He gets into the side on merit and he captains NBP in list A. I know the chances are next to nil but I can always dream
 
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pakistanigoneaussie said:
I don't see how his t20 captaincy hasn't been good overall

As I said before as a captain id have him over afridi and misbah any day. It's just hafeez's refusal to play down the order and afridi's spot being guarantee for a year that complicates things. Hence why I propose the radical choice of fawad alam. He gets into the side on merit and he captain NBP in list A
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Ive seen a number of occasions where his over thinking has led to bad decisions.

I've seen him looking like a nervous wreck before an India game.

We have a good t20 side which masks the failings somewhat.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Ive seen a number of occasions where his over thinking has led to bad decisions.

I've seen him looking like a nervous wreck before an India game.

We have a good t20 side which masks the failings somewhat.
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Its not just that.

Hafeez has done things which Misbah never does.

He promoted Umar Akmal up the order. He allowed Raza Hasan to debut etc.
 
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Bullet Drive said:
Its not just that.

Hafeez has done things which Misbah never does.

He promoted Umar Akmal up the order. He allowed Raza Hasan to debut etc.
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Doesn't surprise me.

But it wouldn't surprise me if he then has a brain wave and sends Akmal down again.


His treatment of Razzaq was an example of him getting "cute".
 
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Someone like Hafeez can give the illusion that he is doing positive things because he has lots of brain waves. .... (some will click)

The problem is that he has bad overall judgement.

That will become clear to most of pp only when he has captained for a while.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Ive seen a number of occasions where his over thinking has led to bad decisions.

I've seen him looking like a nervous wreck before an India game.

We have a good t20 side which masks the failings somewhat.
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Yes he did in the World Cup but he improved against India the next series where he was the best bat from either team. Also while he over anyalses he doesn't transfer or enforce his way on to other members of the team.

As for Abdul Razzaq, he has always been my favorite player and Hafeez was wrong to drop him, that doesn't change the fact AR did himself little favors.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Doesn't surprise me.

But it wouldn't surprise me if he then has a brain wave and sends Akmal down again.


His treatment of Razzaq was an example of him getting "cute".
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Give credit where's it due . We both know under misbah, rehman should have been playing and Umar would be at 7
 
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pakistanigoneaussie said:
Give credit where's it due . We both know under misbah, rehman should have been playing and Umar would be at 7
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I did give credit.

He has an excellent cricket brain so well do plenty of good things.

Problem is that it won't be controlled or directed well. That's why he was the perfect vice captain.

Misbah's captaincy has been worse since Hafeez was silenced.
 
Those praising Hafeez should keep in mind that :sohail is in the T20 Squad for the Wi games :41:
 
Shoaib Akhtar's Fan said:
Hafeez could be given a final chance as an all-rounder batting at no. 7. I'd say have Afridi bat at no. 6 and let him shoulder some more responsibility. If Hafeez fails to deliver even in that position, he should be kicked out for good.
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In t20 he makes runs batting at 3, it looks like when he attacks he make runs and batting 6 or 7 attacking in the last overs may be the way to go, afridi has unbalanced the team just like Malik did, cannot bowl or bat
 
Kianig89 said:
Those praising Hafeez should keep in mind that :sohail is in the T20 Squad for the Wi games :41:
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Yes one TTF in another wise great squad. Raza Hasan is the only other omission but given the severity of his back injury and long recovery I can understand the reasons behind not selecting him.

Sohail is truly indefensible but hopefully he won't get a game
 
Out of Afridi and Hafeez only one should be in the 11 as both of them are bowling all rounders and should compete for 7th spot in the line up
 
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umerz said:
Out of Afridi and Hafeez only one should be in the 11 as both of them are bowling all rounders and should compete for 7th spot in the line up
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Both can play but only on spinning tracks
 
Hafeez is the archetypal substandard pakistani all rounder. We have a rich history of them:
- Afridi
- razzaq
- azhar m
- Malik.

Between the 4 of them Pakistan has been cursed by their presence for the last decade and a half.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
^ he was actually called back on afridi's request
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What? Pls quote me Afridi's statement? He wasn't called on Afridi's request. In fact, Hafeez openly criticized Afridi and the team management when he was dropped after the T20 WC 2010. He failed the whole tournament. But in media Hafeez was crying that he went there to play as an opener but the management made him bat at 3. That was the excuse of his failure :)) :)).

IMO, Hafeez should be the first one to be dropped after this tour. If he is not willing to bat at 6 or 7 drop him. We have a better option than him i.e Babar Azam. He bowls pretty decent off spin also.
 
sam_ahm said:
Fact was that Hafeez is a mediocre batsmen and will always be, his career in the national team was pretty much over and no one even thought about him, then the spot fixing scandal happened, Salman Butt was gone, all of a sudden Pakistan were looking for an experienced opener to replace Butt and they found Hafeez, then Pakistan realized that they no longer have Asif and Aamer to bowl 20 sure shot overs between them, they found Gul and Riaz leading the pace attack, except Ajmal the other options weren't that consistent so Hafeez began to bowl those filler overs more often than not, then Hafeez became an all rounder, then he became a crucial member of the team, and because of his "experience" he became a permanent member of the team and a contender to replace Misbah as captain... but the fact still remains that Hafeez is a mediocre player and will always be.

Now it's upto Pakistan to look for a better option and release him Possibly Maqsood or Hammad, but we all know that won't happen. Pakistan should have looked at Hafeez as a stop-gap arrangement after the Spot Fixing scandal, instead they took him seriously and looked at a player who wasn't even a regular in the squad as a future captain. Imagine Dhoni getting injured, Dinesh Kartik getting a look in and doing well and then India looking at Dinesh Kartik as a future captain, doesn't happen, but it happens in Pakistan.
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You sum it up right about Hafeez... I have mention in another post that this Pakistani team is built around past rejects. Misbah himself was never selected in his youth because he was never had foot or range of shots which Yousaf and Younis had... Gul was and will be a brainless bowler, was never a class of Amir and Asif... Wahab has probably the worst wrist release in the world...

The problem is we cannot build a good team with very average players as seniors...
 
Its a crime for selectors to keep :hafeez in the team . Those 10 overs he does is NO excuse any more. He must be kicked out immediately.
 
Drops a simple catch off Gayle for 0. Dangerous player to be dropping. Hafeez's shocker continues.
 
i don't know why he is standing at slips isnt there anyone better we can place there.
 
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In negative wickets territory
 
Re: Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

Embarrassing

Future Kuptaan
 
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