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Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez

Just an excuse from you pak fans that had Hafeez played it would've made a difference. Hafeez is a minnow basher and if you remove all his stats against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Ireland, Afghanistan etc his already record would've read below average. He's no doubt a much improved player since he has returned to the side but he's still average at best. The guy is not even in the test side anymore.
 
Here comes the legendary turncoat. First decide where your loyalties lie.
 
You never realise someone's worth until you're left without him. It was bound to happen.
 
Mamoon said:
Here comes the legendary turncoat. First decide where your loyalties lie.
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I'm liking this new version of Mamoon. Lol.

Also everything you said about Proff is pretty spot on except for the fielding part. He drops way too many caches and easy ones too.

And if he could just get his nerves in check, thing is when he is nervous everybody can see through him and he looks a completely different cricketer. Just needs to mask it.
 
Energetic said:
Just an excuse from you pak fans that had Hafeez played it would've made a difference. Hafeez is a minnow basher and if you remove all his stats against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Ireland, Afghanistan etc his already record would've read below average. He's no doubt a much improved player since he has returned to the side but he's still average at best. The guy is not even in the test side anymore.
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But at this moment, it is not like Pakistan is spoilt for choices. So yes Hafeez will still improve the team. And with the absence of Ajmal, etc they desperately need Afridi too. They are not world beaters but at the moment they seem better than all others. Misbah too, but his form is a big worry and at his age he might never regain it before the world cup
 
like it is happening with Hafeez, you only realise the importance of a player once he is removed from the scene.

Hafeez's batting at 3 and his steady bowling are being sorely missed.
 
This will happen when the seniors retire (Misbah, Afridi and YK) Right now you are criticising the hell out of them but once they leave you'll understand how important they were.
 
YK has done nothing of note in ODI cricket for the past 6 years, and am sure we can survive without Afridi's 1 in 10 matchwinning performance.
 
AZ said:
YK has done nothing of note in ODI cricket for the past 6 years, and am sure we can survive without Afridi's 1 in 10 matchwinning performance.
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Not ODI :facepalm: YK in test will be missed.
Yes but people will miss the entertainment Afridi always provided :afridi and his bowling.
 
AZ said:
like it is happening with Hafeez, you only realise the importance of a player once he is removed from the scene.

Hafeez's batting at 3 and his steady bowling are being sorely missed.
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A batting average of 18 vs Australia - irfan got there with a couple of hits.
 
Pete Rose said:
A batting average of 18 vs Australia - irfan got there with a couple of hits.
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he did alright against them when they faced up in 2012, also his recent performances at no.3 have been very good.
 
AZ said:
he did alright against them when they faced up in 2012, also his recent performances at no.3 have been very good.
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I am trying to say this in a way so that you don't think I am patronizing you. He averages under 25 against the big 3 and South Africa and England. In fact even in his recent form his averages have not changed against them expect Australia at UAE who're he averaged 30. During the same he continued to flounder against England, South Africa, New Zealand at home and away.
I am not trolling you, but hafeez is basically the same as Afridi except the difference is that hafeez has the good sense to cash in against weak opposition. Both cannot play in the team, only one can difference being if Afridi plays he should bat at 8 (if he is good enough to replace a bowler) and Hafeez should bat at 7 (eve though I remain convinced that in Australia he is batting one slot higher).
 
Pete Rose said:
I am trying to say this in a way so that you don't think I am patronizing you. He averages under 25 against the big 3 and South Africa and England. In fact even in his recent form his averages have not changed against them expect Australia at UAE who're he averaged 30. During the same he continued to flounder against England, South Africa, New Zealand at home and away.
I am not trolling you, but hafeez is basically the same as Afridi except the difference is that hafeez has the good sense to cash in against weak opposition. Both cannot play in the team, only one can difference being if Afridi plays he should bat at 8 (if he is good enough to replace a bowler) and Hafeez should bat at 7 (eve though I remain convinced that in Australia he is batting one slot higher).
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I know the stats as well, but the fact remains that he has been scoring heavily at 3 over the past year or so, has made big and matchwinning runs.

5 tons in the last calendar year, and has 3 50s in 8 matches in 2014 as well.

all things considered, he is still our best bet and a key player.
 
AZ said:
I know the stats as well, but the fact remains that he has been scoring heavily at 3 over the past year or so, has made big and matchwinning runs.

5 tons in the last calendar year, and has 3 50s in 8 matches in 2014 as well.

all things considered, he is still our best bet and a key player.
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Certainly makes a case for quantity over quality.
Everything one needs to know about Hafeez's game can be found in his 14 dismissals (or was it 9) against steyn
 
Pete Rose said:
Certainly makes a case for quantity over quality.
Everything one needs to know about Hafeez's game can be found in his 14 dismissals (or was it 9) against steyn
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It was 15 times.

Here's what Steyn had to say about this ... :P

Sometimes it happens, Hafeez is a good player but fortunately I have had the better of him. I don't know where to count how many times I have dismissed him. My hands, maybe. Maybe I can take my boots off and count,"
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Sarfraz has done well as an opener while for No. 3 Maqsood Umar are better options so dont know where to fit Hafeez in may be as a specialist spinner in place of Zulfiqar/Raza Hafeez @ no. 7/8 will boost our tail
 
Pete Rose said:
Certainly makes a case for quantity over quality.
Everything one needs to know about Hafeez's game can be found in his 14 dismissals (or was it 9) against steyn
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Steyn has clearly got his number, but he won't be playing them SA day and night.

and again, you don't have any better options waiting in the wings either, have to make due.
 
AZ said:
Steyn has clearly got his number, but he won't be playing them SA day and night.

and again, you don't have any better options waiting in the wings either, have to make due.
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We do, but until you play them you won't know.
 
plenty of young batsmen have been tried in the past 2/3 seasons, other than Shehzad none have quite managed to stake a permanent claim in the ODI team.
 
As long as we have selfish people in our selection committee having the same mindset as [MENTION=451]khiz[/MENTION]r9 who put Hafeez above the team, Pak will keep on losing and showing mediocrity.

This joke of a Test player is again out there humiliating Pakistan. It was too difficult to get rid of him, but he's back again thanks to his buddies.
 
Usual dimissal for hafeez playinga round his front pad and then the moron selfishly wastes a review as well as per usual.
 
He had nothing to do in the test side. We really have short memories. Watch him get butchered again the 2nd innings.

Haris Sohail should have played instead of him.
 
I don't understand why people don't get it.

The only reason why he is in the team is because of Ajmal's ban. We are playing 2 new spinners and one of them is a leg spinner which means he can get whacked around. Hafeez's bowling is very much needed in this series because we know what he offers.

Has to bat at 4/5 in both Tests and ODIs and that has been settled for a long time now. Cannot play swing but I think he can be a decent middle order batsman and might handle the second new ball better if he already has spent time at the crease with his hands and feet not cold and heart pumping at a normal rate.

Not an ideal situation, but certainly better than having him open because 8/10 he'll be gone in the 1st session against quality bowling.
 
Whats all this jibberish crap about hafeez should bat middle order, the guy is just a liability full stop just because he cant play the new ball doesnt mean he will handle a older ball any better plus why are wanting to waste a middle order spot to a loser like hafeez when we have good options in the middle order :facepalm:

Also this lets pick hafeez coz he can turn his arm over nonsense needs to stop!
 
The jibberish crap is because Hafeez is being played primarily for his bowling and according to the rules of the game, you can't have a 12th man bowl for you so please suggest where should Hafeez bat?

And I disagree that there is no logic in selecting him for his bowling. You need 3 spinners in these conditions especially when none of them are world class or not proven at this level.
 
Mamoon said:
The jibberish crap is because Hafeez is being played primarily for his bowling and according to the rules of the game, you can't have a 12th man bowl for you so please suggest where should Hafeez bat?

And I disagree that there is no logic in selecting him for his bowling. You need 3 spinners in these conditions especially when none of them are world class or not proven at this level.
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If you select Hafeez as a bowler, then play him as a bowler. Make sure you still have your batting lineup secure regardless of Hafeez. Then if you want to select him as a bowler, fine.
 
Right now with Hafeez's selection, he's either keeping out another batsman like Haris Sohail, or another good bowler.
 
Which is why he should play in the middle order but that doesn't really solve the problem because Shehzad is Hafeez's clone. In any case we are going to be a man or two down in the first session.
 
Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

Sick of the sight of this guy. If they really wanted a extra spinner included, then Raza Hasan should have been selected.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't understand why people don't get it.

The only reason why he is in the team is because of Ajmal's ban. We are playing 2 new spinners and one of them is a leg spinner which means he can get whacked around. Hafeez's bowling is very much needed in this series because we know what he offers.

Has to bat at 4/5 in both Tests and ODIs and that has been settled for a long time now. Cannot play swing but I think he can be a decent middle order batsman and might handle the second new ball better if he already has spent time at the crease with his hands and feet not cold and heart pumping at a normal rate.

Not an ideal situation, but certainly better than having him open because 8/10 he'll be gone in the 1st session against quality bowling.
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Older ball was reversing today. Hafeez wouldn't have survived that at any cost. In tests he is a massive liability. He can fail with both bat and ball seeing as he just contains runs without taking too many wickets.
 
Like I said, it isn't an 'ideal' situation but clearly a much better option than him opening or batting at 3.
 
in_cutter said:
Sick of the sight of this guy. If they really wanted a extra spinner included, then Raza Hasan should have been selected.
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Which further weakens the batting, unless you think Rehman/Raza are better batsmen than him.
 
Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

Mamoon said:
Which further weakens the batting, unless you think Rehman/Raza are better batsmen than him.
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It was weakened the moment he was selected. Zulfiqar & Yasir are enough for the spin attack. Three are not required. Haris or Babar should have been selected.
 
in_cutter said:
It was weakened the moment he was sent in to open. Zulfiqar & Yasir are enough for the spin attack. Three are not required. Haris or Babar should have been selected.
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The problem is that Yasir Shah is a debutant and that too a leg spinner. There is a good chance that Australia 'might' take him to the cleaners like Imran Tahir. In that case, we'd be left with Babar only who is not a match winning bowler and rubbish pacers. Rahat is average but Imran is a shocking bowler. Hafeez is there to provide some cushion to Yasir.

Yasir over Rehman makes sense because the latter is past his prime and Raza couldn't have been picked because having two left-arm orthodox is not a great idea.

Selection of Hafeez makes perfect sense but him opening doesn't. Something like this would have been good:

Shehzad (Hafeez 2.0, but whatever)
Azhar
Shafiq
Younis
Hafeez/Misbah
Misbah/Hafeez
Sarfraz

Under the current circumstances obviously.
 
Mamoon said:
The problem is that Yasir Shah is a debutant and that too a leg spinner. There is a good chance that Australia 'might' take him to the cleaners like Imran Tahir. In that case, we'd be left with Babar only who is not a match winning bowler and rubbish pacers. Rahat is average but Imran is a shocking bowler. Hafeez is there to provide some cushion to Yasir.

Yasir over Rehman makes sense because the latter is past his prime and Raza couldn't have been picked because having two left-arm orthodox is not a great idea.

Selection of Hafeez makes perfect sense but him opening doesn't. Something like this would have been good:

Shehzad (Hafeez 2.0, but whatever)
Azhar
Shafiq
Younis
Hafeez/Misbah
Misbah/Hafeez
Sarfraz

Under the current circumstances obviously.
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Good post!he should bat diwn the order at 6
 
So Hafeez is selected as back up spinner yet he opened the batting :14: evan Anwar Ali would have done better than this guy Shehzad n Azhar should have opened and Anwar @ no. 7
 
got a jaffa first up this morning, not much anyone let alone Hafeez could do about that.
 
Mamoon said:
The jibberish crap is because Hafeez is being played primarily for his bowling and according to the rules of the game, you can't have a 12th man bowl for you so please suggest where should Hafeez bat?

And I disagree that there is no logic in selecting him for his bowling. You need 3 spinners in these conditions especially when none of them are world class or not proven at this level.
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Oh please 3 spinners? this is not an Indian moon dust pitch, please show me a match where we have actually picked 3 spinners in a test match and they have done so serious damage as a trio, all hafeez will do is hold up an end. If Hafeez is been picked for his bowling then pick as primary bowler then, are batting is fragile and you expect us to play with 5 batsmen, we dont have the luxury of a world class all rounder which gives us balance. 2 spinners in this test will be just fine, most of time 3 spinners are played 1 of them is always under bowled.
 
Hafeez should not be playing test matches. He has a huge ego , and only Pakistan can bow to that , no other team would tolerate such a mediocre player to have ego.

What has he achieved so far , to have that ego.
 
Same retarded excuses are used for Hafeez as they were for afridi, oh he cant open, play him middle order.. oh wait he cant bat middle order use him down the order... oh wait he cant bat down order ... lets make him open again....

Its quite simple someone whose has failed for near enough 10 years is just a crap player! sadly mediocre cricketers like haffez and afridi are the symbol of pakistani cricket for last 10 years which on the whole has been mediocre.

Yet sadly some PPer thing that if you keep polishing a turd you will eventually make a diamond :facepalm:
 
In addition id love to know on what basis hafeez got a recall since he was last dropped? what improvement has he shown. same stupid shots playing accross the line and getting lbw or bowled! great improvement! good to see pakistan is intent on pushing for improvements in their players.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Oh please 3 spinners? this is not an Indian moon dust pitch, please show me a match where we have actually picked 3 spinners in a test match and they have done so serious damage as a trio, all hafeez will do is hold up an end. If Hafeez is been picked for his bowling then pick as primary bowler then, are batting is fragile and you expect us to play with 5 batsmen, we dont have the luxury of a world class all rounder which gives us balance. 2 spinners in this test will be just fine, most of time 3 spinners are played 1 of them is always under bowled.
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Since the days of Kaneria, Pakistan have been heavily reliant one one spinner doing the job. At that time, Razzaq and Afridi were regulars in the Test team so there was no point in playing another specialist spinners.

Afterwards during the time of Ajmal, with both Razzaq and Afridi out of the Test team, we had to get in a specialist like Rehman.

The problem right now is that Zulfiqar is not good enough to be the main weapon and Yasir Shah is an untested leg spinner and our so-called pacers are pathetic as well. Hafeez was very much needed for this series. If Babar and Yasir develop a good understanding and show that they belong to this level, Hafeez will have no part to play in Tests. Let's not forget the fact that both Junaid and Wahab got injured as well and we cannot afford another rubbish pacer in the starting XI.

I'd much rather have Hafeez play as an all-rounder at number 5/6 rather than play crap like Bhatti, Anwar or bring in another 'specialist' pacer like Rahat and Imran who will offer nothing.

We don't have a world class all-rounder to provide balance in Tests, but in the current scenario, playing another bowler in place of Hafeez further weakens the batting.
 
Hafeez's tidy spells aren't made for test cricket. Would've pushed Azhar to open and brought Haris in the middle or even if Hafeez had to be played; would've opened with Azhar and brought him down to 7.
 
Why would we need to pick another bowler to replace hafeez? :facepalm:

Aussies have picked 5 bowlers just purely for tactical reasons as they want to use there seamers in short sharp spells, it doesnt mean we have to as well.

Id rather we have picked a proper batsmen instead of Hafeez. If we were that eager for a 5th bowler we could have used Part-timers like AA or YK because to be honest i dont see hafeez being much more effective then either of these guys to be quite frank.

If pakistan are so intent on finding a player who is going to bat top 6 and bowl then make sure they can atleast hold a bloody cricket bat for god sake.

Yes we have 4 rookie bowlers in this test matches but situation cant be helped, the easiest way to support those bowlers is put runs on the board so they have something to defend, sadly picking a walking freebie like hafeez wasnt the answer.
 
Got an absolute corker. Not really his fault.

He should be batting at 4 in all formats. Not 5, and not 3.

4.
 
Mamoon said:
Since the days of Kaneria, Pakistan have been heavily reliant one one spinner doing the job. At that time, Razzaq and Afridi were regulars in the Test team so there was no point in playing another specialist spinners.

Afterwards during the time of Ajmal, with both Razzaq and Afridi out of the Test team, we had to get in a specialist like Rehman.

The problem right now is that Zulfiqar is not good enough to be the main weapon and Yasir Shah is an untested leg spinner and our so-called pacers are pathetic as well. Hafeez was very much needed for this series. If Babar and Yasir develop a good understanding and show that they belong to this level, Hafeez will have no part to play in Tests. Let's not forget the fact that both Junaid and Wahab got injured as well and we cannot afford another rubbish pacer in the starting XI.

I'd much rather have Hafeez play as an all-rounder at number 5/6 rather than play crap like Bhatti, Anwar or bring in another 'specialist' pacer like Rahat and Imran who will offer nothing.

We don't have a world class all-rounder to provide balance in Tests, but in the current scenario, playing another bowler in place of Hafeez further weakens the batting.
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What an analysis :14:
 
Hawkeye said:
As long as we have selfish people in our selection committee having the same mindset as [MENTION=451]khiz[/MENTION]r9 who put Hafeez above the team, Pak will keep on losing and showing mediocrity.

This joke of a Test player is again out there humiliating Pakistan. It was too difficult to get rid of him, but he's back again thanks to his buddies.
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Did Imsay i put hafeez above the team?
Can you mention me any other player in Pakistan who has 30 plus batting average and below 35 bowling average in test cridket?
Did you see the delivery he got it was unplayable for tendulkar let alone hafeez!
If you have pathetic memory then its not my fault ai said he should play AS AN ALL ROUNDER AT NUMBER 6 in test matches :)
 
Any bowler would get more than hafeez did today

Let's be honest he's been picked on the basis of his experience and he's pals with the skipper and he must have contacts with the selection committee

His cricketing ability in tests has been found out time and time again

His bowling is mediocre, his batting is less than average against any decent bowling attack and his mental strength is virtually nonexistent against quality oppo.

His selection was another step backwards
 
You never know he might score 100 with the bat in the next innings.
 
Khizr96 said:
Did Imsay i put hafeez above the team?
Can you mention me any other player in Pakistan who has 30 plus batting average and below 35 bowling average in test cridket?
Did you see the delivery he got it was unplayable for tendulkar let alone hafeez!
If you have pathetic memory then its not my fault ai said he should play AS AN ALL ROUNDER AT NUMBER 6 in test matches :)
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A delivery is unplayable only if you make it look to be. Quality batsmen make great deliveries look ordinary and this is what separates the good from the average.

An opening batsman at this level should not be troubled by 144 kph full length delivery drifting into the pads. Yes the ball swung and the pace was good, but it wasn't really a corker. This delivery could very well have been clipped for four in the mid-on region.

Hafeez has a basic technical flaw which is why he struggles against both outswing and inswing.

He struggles against out-swing because plants his front-foot before the bowler releases the ball and once you plant your foot, you don't have the time to go back and you play the ball much earlier than you should and when you do that, you tend to push at the ball when it is pitched up or simply poke it if its in the corridor of uncertainty.

All the good batsmen either stay perfectly still and have very quick feet while other batsman use trigger movements like back-and-across or simply a forward press but they don't plant their feet; their weight is on their toes due to which they can readjust quickly.

Your head follow your feet and your feet follow your head. They are in sync with each other. When the ball comes into him, his head is already towards the off-stump because he is already committed on the front-foot by planting his right foot on middle-off and when he tries to play the shot, his head is not on top of the ball. Starc gave him plenty of problems 2 yrs ago in the UAE with his big booming in-swinger.

Any coach will tell you three basic things on the very first day:

1. Keep your eyes level and head on top of the ball when you execute the shot.

2. Don't over-commit by planting your foot. Keep your weight on your toes.

3. Play with soft hands.

4. Play late.

It is pathetic that our batsmen at Test level make these basic errors that are coached into you at U-15 level and you really have to question the standard of coaching in Pakistan and they knowledge of the game of the players themselves.
 
MRSN said:
You never know he might score 100 with the bat in the next innings.
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He won't. It's not possible.
Just like fawad succeeding against Australia in a test match. It's not possible.
 
MRSN said:
You never know he might score 100 with the bat in the next innings.
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this does not look like the kind of pitch where many runs will be scored in the 3rd/4th innings, least of all a ton from Hafeez.
 
As far as i know the Untouchable "Al-Capone" was sidelined by Don Vito :corleone so do we have a corleone in our cricket board :inti :moin
 
Hafeez never had the ability to play as an opener, He could be useful at No.6 batting position, but unfortunately he never realized that.
 
as he was untouched and retained in the squad therefore he feasted against this pop-gun attack on a placid wicket
 
Kianig89 said:
as he was untouched and retained in the squad therefore he feasted against this pop-gun attack on a placid wicket
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Aww top of all he made you sad didn't he?
Got us to a flying start with his ala 96 and haters are out in full force..:hafeez

Hate him or love him he is the best captaincy choice we have after Misbah. Got to back him.
 
MRSN said:
Aww top of all he made you sad didn't he?
Got us to a flying start with his ala 96 and haters are out in full force..:hafeez

Hate him or love him he is the best captaincy choice we have after Misbah. Got to back him.
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Could not expect a sensible comment from a Kamran Akmal fan :))
 
Kianig89 said:
Are we talking about ODI's atm



Imran Khan also said "Hafeez is a relo-katta" (bits n pieces) :91:
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IK said all allrounders inc :afrid :razzaq or any x,y,z are bits n pieces can neither bowl or bat properly lol why are you picking on Hafeez only.
 
Khizr96 said:
Oh pleaseee geta life he never said that
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Dont worry you live in your bubble #hafeez-a-legend
MRSN said:
IK said all allrounders inc :afrid :razzaq or any x,y,z are bits n pieces can neither bowl or bat properly lol why are you picking on Hafeez only.
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The discussion is about Hafeez :rana

MRSN said:
We were talking about flukes?
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Yes! this is a fluke no matter how much runs he scores in this series
 
Kianig89 said:
Dont worry you live in your bubble #hafeez-a-legend


The discussion is about Hafeez :rana



Yes! this is a fluke no matter how much runs he scores in this series
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Bro how could he call a player that if he himself suggests that he is best choice for captaincy so your post is stupid he never said that atleast i never heard
 
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