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He played against the Aussies in the UAE in 2019 and then played against England in 2019 just prior to the world cup. But you failed to understand Titan24's point.
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He played against the Aussies in the UAE in 2019 and then played against England in 2019 just prior to the world cup. But you failed to understand Titan24's point.
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Another lie!
Hasnain played The CPL in his first season as a tear away bowler. Hasnain has been on tour to England twice since he emerged, he played in NZ as well. So how did he get caught immediately as soon as he played a foreign tour???
You better have a good lawyer with all of these libellous claims you are making if Hasnain’s agency gets a hold of this
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Wait? Chucking is legal?
As far as I know, if you chucking the ball, you are cheating. Generating an unfair advantage over the opponent.
If it was not cheating and an ethical pov, than ICC Laws would had never banned him.
Chucking the ball is cheating, whether you like it or not.
Whether he did it on purpose, or did is "accidentally", it is still cheating.
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He isn’t a cheater. He wasn’t knowingly chucking it. The vast majority of people here thought he would be cleared!
Boy you really are asking for a civil lawsuit with your labelling!
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Like I said, had he played a high value match, he would had been caught. The above mentioned matches are cared less and in international level, umpires for some reason dont take action as they dont want to upset boards.
As for CPL, again it shows their umpires are no good aswell..
lol libelous? The guy is chuking, as proven by data now. Unless you have doubts over LUMs than thats a seperate issue
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What are you harping on about?
There are plenty of young bowlers that play cricket at club level that don't even know they are chucking because,
1. They were never coached properly
2. They were never ever called out for it.
It doesn't make them cheaters. You really need to get a grip
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Your claims about his timeline of being reported when and where are libellous. Unless you have proof, you better hope your posts are deleted because You are opening yourself up to libel
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chucking is cheating..
It doesnt matter whether you do it knowingly or unknowingly.
To be honest, when you are bowling, you yourself know whether you are throwing the ball or not...
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All the games he played against England pre World Cup were not low value. What are you talking about?!!
The T20is he played against England 2021 were viewed all over the world! Why are you making such clownish statements???
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You're just digging yourself an even bigger hole.
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Who are you even supporting right now? What a weird thing to say
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Here is a piece of article I copiedThat’s why I’m shockedhis action is clean as a whistle and they have potentially destroyed a promising fast bowlers career this is soo damaging to his confidence only way back for him now is if he starts bowling leg spin.. I don’t believe in these baseless nonsense tests carried out PCB as usual keeping Other boards happy and destroying they own bowlers
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Oh sorry.
See i thought Hasnain was ok. But tests proved otherwise. This is why we experts.
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Bhumra when his action gets tested will be above the 15 degrees limit as well, but ICC which took no action against Kohli, KL Rahul, Ashwin, Pant for accussing Super Sports of cheating will obviously take no notice of Bhumra's hyper extension as well.
Exactly like I said if hasnain action is illegal then every bowler on earth chucks. ICC need to increase the threshold of the arm extension to 25 degrees simple
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What is stopping Aleem Dar from reporting Bumrah for chucking? What stopped Pakistan team in the World T20 to take slowmo recordings and report it to the umpire to get it tested...
By making such claims, you are also saying that Pakistani umpires who are involved in India games are also not reporting something which makes them aswell to blame than.
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True for spinners. Saeed Ajmal. Narine, Senanayake, Pragyan Ojha, Harbhajan knew what they were doing
But for fast bowlers - will give them benefit of doubt. Sometimes its just about extra effort and exhaustion
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Do you seriously think Aleem Dar will risk his career taking on the might of the BCCI? For someone who constantly likes to talk about ground realities, very strange logic from you
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India has a committee to identify chuckers at junior level. It was headed by Javagal Srinath. Any bowler with suspicious action is sent to the academy for corrective action. There is testing center in Chennai to test any junior bowler if his action looks suspicious
Bumrah wud not be playing IPL or domestic cricket if he was chucking. Remember Kamran Khan. Never heard of him after 2009 IPL bcoz his action was called out
I thought Dar had more integrity than being a lap dog for the BCCI.
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He has integrity for sure but he is also wise enough to realize what harms his livelihood and what doesn't.
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Pakistan fans should understand Hasnain was found illegal as per proven scientific process conducted by a Lahore based testing center. There was no conspiracy involved
If anything you should question the PCB why Hasnain played so much domestic cricket without getting identified. Waqar Younis was his coach for 2 years and never found anything suspicious - this alone raises serious questions on his competence as a coach !
The best time to catch chuckers is when they are 16-18. Once you become 24-25 it becomes impossible to rectify your action - due to muscle memory issues
If anything you should question the PCB why Hasnain played so much domestic cricket without getting identified. Waqar Younis was his coach for 2 years and never found anything suspicious - this alone raises serious questions on his competence as a coach !
The best time to catch chuckers is when they are 16-18. Once you become 24-25 it becomes impossible to rectify your action - due to muscle memory issues
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An extremely simple answer to this.
What punishments were dished out to the Indian captain for shouting at the stump mic snd for him and some of his players to call the TV company cheats and that it's 11 vs the entire country?
Just to clarify, your argument is that breaking a rule is cheating even if you don’t know you’re doing it?
I hope you can see how ridiculous that sounds…
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Is there any ICC rule that stops the players from questioning the broadcaster?
The rules say ICC officials can't be questioned.
Every time a Pakistani is caught chucking, the first thing is to accuse an Indian and then whine that bcci is too powerful.
All this without an iota of proof.
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Did the umpires who reported Bhajji multiple times and bhajji had to stop bowling his doosra lose their jobs?
As has been pointed out before, accusing the broadcaster of corruptly manipulating the game blatantly qualifies as bringing the game into disrepute.
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No it doesn't. The Broadcaster is not a player in active play. He is just a contract holder. Just like the caterer who provides food or the hotel that provides accomodation.
All of them can be questioned or criticized.
The comments don't have to be directed at someone in active play. Accusing the broadcaster of corruption to deliberately manipulate the game with no proof at all is clearly an inappropriate comment that isn't in the interest of the game.
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I did find his bowling action questionable in the replays in PSL but I didn't say anything cause I am no expert. But now it's been proven so the question of if is obsolete now. Remodeling begins now.
Taskin underwent through the same thing and came back reasonably quickly and well.
Don't expect Hasnain's performance to take a big hit now. But it will test his mental toughness and character.
Taskin underwent through the same thing and came back reasonably quickly and well.
Don't expect Hasnain's performance to take a big hit now. But it will test his mental toughness and character.
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Lets focus on Hasnain in this thread.
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Super sports can try suing the players for defamation. But ICC rules don't say that a contract holder cannot be criticized.
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Bad Luck for Mohd Hasnain. But also an opportunity to bring forward a new Pace bowler. Chance to perform should be given to Shahnawaz Dhani
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Look, its cheating.
Intentional or unintentional thats a seperate debate.
But chucking is cheating and people should accept that. If you chuck you are a cheat. That seems to be disturbing fans that one poster was talking about a civil law suit
.I dont even blame the likes of ajmal. Its the umpires at fault
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I went back and watched his BBL highlights.
He was definitely chucking on some of the fuller deliveries. It might be an injury that Hasnain picked up causing him to change his action a bit. Otherwise, I don't think he's ever had that type of bowling action where it's noticeable.
He was definitely chucking on some of the fuller deliveries. It might be an injury that Hasnain picked up causing him to change his action a bit. Otherwise, I don't think he's ever had that type of bowling action where it's noticeable.
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This is not the end of Hasnain’s career.He is still very young.His action needs a small modification.Pakistan has no shortage of fast bowlers.I am confident quite a few more fast bowlers will come to the scene.PSL and international cricket coming back to Pakistan has generated a lot of interest in cricket in Pakistan
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Hopefully as some are noticed it’s just a injury that’s caused this issue. He’s a decent young bowler and has massive potential to perform.
Just hope it’s not another Sami type career in the making.
Just hope it’s not another Sami type career in the making.
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I didnt gather from your statement. are you saying Hasnain's action is a result of an injury? how recent is the injury. when was the injury identified. Why is he playing with an injury?
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A lot of international pace bowlers will be in trouble with the current testing methods for their effort deliveries. It’s commonly accepted in circles who are involved with high level of cricket.
Hasnain has an opportunity to work hard on his action now and look to come back a better bowler. He is young, there is ample time.
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No they don't explicitly say that. But again, they say you can't make an inappropriate comment that isn't in the interest of the game/do or say something that brings it into disrepute. Suggesting the broadcaster is manipulating the game clearly does that.
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Didn't you know that the ICC is promoting this sort of behaviour.
They want children who watch to learn that if things don't go your way, accuse the tv producers of cheating and throw your toys out of the pram...
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Gee whiz...is that what happened to him? if so , why was action not corrected or something like that?
And yeah, spot on abot bumrah - iits a fair action which has passed muster all around.
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The problem with Kamran Khan is he could not bowl 140 kph with a legal action. He became medium pacer and obviously lost his bite. Hence faded away
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because ignorance is bliss?
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Ajmal, Hafeez, malik, now this, and then we question why we dont have the best reputation in world cricket, this is an embarrassment to PCB and grassroots coach for not having picked this up sooner.
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This is where PCB and possibly his home state cricket board association have to step in and offer support.
It must be so shattering to a young guys spirit and morale. As a lover of true pace bowling i hope PCB assists inthe required testing/action rectifcation and this guy is back.
As fans, all we can do is offer support.
All the very best.
It must be so shattering to a young guys spirit and morale. As a lover of true pace bowling i hope PCB assists inthe required testing/action rectifcation and this guy is back.
As fans, all we can do is offer support.
All the very best.
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I watched him from the 1st time he played for PK and at no time did I feel he was chucking. You trust the science but having watched cricket for over 4 decades I also trust my instinct.
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How is it possible that your action was good for 2-3 years in international cricket but suddenly you develop jerk in your action? I think Hasnain was given wrong coaching advice which resulted in this ban. I remember watching him first time, his action looked totally clean to me. Similar thing happened with Irfan Pathan. To get outswing and more pace, he took a lot of advice from coaches and other players, he tweaked his action which ruined his rhythm.
I said it numerous times already on here his action is as clean as a whistle and it’s just just a conspiracy against the poor lad and a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Will be next to impossible to come back for him now especially when there is absolutely nothing wrong with your action how can people be soo blind and say he chucks. Lads been done over big time.
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it is cheating but often times its unbeknownst to the player because of improper coaching, so I feel bad for young players like hasnain, meanwhile people like Hafeez get called on repeatedly, bowl clean during the bio tests and then chuck whenever, those players are cheaters.
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I've looked at his videos and can only see a clean action. Can someone please link to a video and pinpoint exactly what the problem is?
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Heard comments of Rashid Latif and according to him his action was fine until a year or so ago. He said that muscle development and overall change in the physique can play a role as well along with slight tweaking of small things.
While its necessary for fast bowlers to train and have the right muscles developed for fast bowling to remain fit as well as increase pace but, when you overdo the muscle bit as a fast bowler especially in the parts that you don't have to then this can unintentionally cause certain changes to occur in the action gradually.
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To fix problems with their very valuable asset, the PCB have done this (as per reports)
Incredible.
Incredible.
To fix problems with their very valuable asset, the PCB have done this (as per reports)
Incredible.
What is Umar Cv ?
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There is some news going on on social media that he has fixed his action? Is this true??
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Hasnain who has been working with PCB coaches at the NHPC has modified his bowling action. Tests suggest that the new action is within the legal limits <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1517213751950331908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He's chucking again.
It's obvious and it will be an embarrassment to us if he does this in the WT20
It's obvious and it will be an embarrassment to us if he does this in the WT20
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From the side angle you can see there is a massive bend and then extension in his elbow.
Blatant chucking.
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Hasnain tonight
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Hasnain tonight
Not the most flattering image.
The action doesn’t look too good on this one.
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Ridiculous to bring him in so soon after remodeling the action. Very poor player management. This will likely end his career for good
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He was chucking shamelessly today. Someone should have told him to wait a month before bringing that out. At this rate he might not make the WC.
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Don’t know why people still think still images show anything. He may or may not be chucking but that still image proves nothing.
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You could see from home that he was chucking. He wasn't even trying to hide it. Shades of Hafeez who too would resort to chucking when the going got tough.
England should raise some noise about this and get him out of the side.
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It all depends on how much the arm is straightening from that position. He can have it flexed as much as he wants as long as it extends less than 15 degrees at release.
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I’ll admit it looked iffy at times but certain bowlers just look like that when bowling. Liam Plunkett of England comes to mind, always looked like he was chucking despite a clean action.
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Is there a video?
Posters are saying he is chucking, but the umpires haven't said anything.
Posters are saying he is chucking, but the umpires haven't said anything.
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I mean that image doesn’t look too bad so I don’t know what the fuss is tbh.
Is he within 15 degrees or not and to me it’s marginal, probably is.
You have to be sure that he is chucking and I don’t think it’s obvious as some pretend it is.
Is he within 15 degrees or not and to me it’s marginal, probably is.
You have to be sure that he is chucking and I don’t think it’s obvious as some pretend it is.
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Pakistani's have always been brown nosers. Turning on their own even before the gora has said anything. Even when Hasnain's action was reported, it was only one particular delivery which was over 15 degrees. His action is clean for the most part.
Which delivery was it? Bouncer?
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