Mohammad Nawaz being under-bowled?

[Slog]

It's clear Misbah's tactic is to use Nawaz in short bursts rather than long spells and that is working perfectly well at the moment.

Nawaz is not some 150kph pace machine that he will be used in short bursts.

the strategy is to try to get the main bowlers to get wickets and failing that turn to Nawaz, 'the all rounder' who apprantly isnt that good anyway to bowl earlier

 

[Saj]

Nawaz is not some 150kph pace machine that he will be used in short bursts.

That's exactly how he's being used by Misbah and it's working.

 

[coy0607]

That's exactly how he's being used by Misbah and it's working.

I dont know why you think its working?


Nawaz bowled 4 out of 94 overs in the first innings, while Babar bowled 21 and picked up 0 wickets

2nd innings he's bowled 5 overs to Babar's 15, who is wicket-less again

that doesn't seem like a working strategy to me, that looks like a Captain who is insistent on using his 'veteran' player while ignoring the younger and better player

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Embarrassing for Misbah.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

has Zulfi baba lost a step or two? not watching the game so dont know

Was talking about how Zulfi is unable to get a breakthrough despite bowling for long and Nawaz getting almost no chances and then he picks up a wicket when he is given a few overs to bowl.

Didn't get the feeling Misbah had confidence in Nawaz but he still got the wicket which is why I said Nawaz still broke through.

Even I am not watching the game.

Dunno whether Nawaz is a proper option for spin but based on how he has delivered in his limited chances, Misbah can atleast bowl him more in this game now that he has been selected.

As for Zulfi, at age 39, anything can happen. He may have regressed even more. He has gone 35 overs (both innings) without a wicket while poor Nawaz got only 9 overs (both innings) and still struck once and took out the set batsman. Even when he got a wicket, he wasn't given a proper spell. 5 overs for a spinner is like giving 2-3 overs for a pacer.

 

[Moiza]

Uncle Zulfi again got 15 overs today before Misbah rekuctantly turned to Nawaz

and Misbahs worst fear came true when Nawaz struck early

Becoming harder and harder for Misbah to keep Uncle playing test any longer. The overs Nawaz is getting are next to useless, 4-5 overs every 70 overs wont do much for a spinner, by the time he gets an understanding of how to bowl he gets taken off. Had Nawaz gotten as many overs as Zulfi he would surely have 4 or 5 for the match by now

 

[The_Odd_One]

Since, the English tour I have not liked how Misbah has used his bowlers. He has overbowled Yasir tremendously while Nawaz has been underbowled.

 

[srh]

Was talking about how Zulfi is unable to get a breakthrough despite bowling for long and Nawaz getting almost no chances and then he picks up a wicket when he is given a few overs to bowl.

Didn't get the feeling Misbah had confidence in Nawaz but he still got the wicket which is why I said Nawaz still broke through.

Even I am not watching the game.

Dunno whether Nawaz is a proper option for spin but based on how he has delivered in his limited chances, Misbah can atleast bowl him more in this game now that he has been selected.

As for Zulfi, at age 39, anything can happen. He may have regressed even more. He has gone 35 overs (both innings) without a wicket while poor Nawaz got only 9 overs (both innings) and still struck once and took out the set batsman. Even when he got a wicket, he wasn't given a proper spell. 5 overs for a spinner is like giving 2-3 overs for a pacer.

thanks. Zulfi baba is a proven performer once the best spinner in whole of Pakistan so it makes sense that Misbah would use Zulfi baba more. Nawaz is very new and nobody has ever put him even in the top 5 spinners of Pakistan so its understandable that Misbah will use Zulfi baba more than Nawaz. Remember Zulfi baba makes this team because of his bowling while Nawaz makes this team because of his bowling + batting. Anyway Pakistan has to go with one who is producing results.

 

[Slog]

thanks. Zulfi baba is a proven performer once the best spinner in whole of Pakistan so it makes sense that Misbah would use Zulfi baba more. Nawaz is very new and nobody has ever put him even in the top 5 spinners of Pakistan so its understandable that Misbah will use Zulfi baba more than Nawaz. Remember Zulfi baba makes this team because of his bowling while Nawaz makes this team because of his bowling + batting. Anyway Pakistan has to go with one who is producing results.

Lol Zulfi baba is a proven performer? What performing are we talking about here???

Guy averages 40+ in Asia and has been terrible for almost two years now barring SL series where he was ok

 

[cricketAXEpert]

When he's going to bowl

17 overs out of 124 bowled in the first innings
13 overs of of the 92 bowled in the second innings

All the while being the most economical bowlers in the both innings.

According to most posters here he has been toothless but Yasir has bowled thrice as many overs with worse result as compared to nawaz. How is the poor guy supposed to pick wickets when he doesnt get any overs to bowl? Shows a complete lack of trust in him by misbah.

Agree, he needs to Be tested. Both in Batting and Bowling. We are sacrificing the sixth batsman for him. He must be tested, otherwise he will be exposed in Australia/NZ

 

[Mamoon]

Since, the English tour I have not liked how Misbah has used his bowlers. He has overbowled Yasir tremendously while Nawaz has been underbowled.

This is what I was talking about earlier. Misbah is turning Yasir into another Ajmal, where he is seemingly the answer to every problem. When Yasir doesn't perform we don't come close to winning, as we saw in England.

However, can you really blame Misbah since Yasir is the only one who consistently takes wickets?

 

[The_Odd_One]

This is what I was talking about earlier. Misbah is turning Yasir into another Ajmal, where he is seemingly the answer to every problem. When Yasir doesn't perform we don't come close to winning, as we saw in England.

However, can you really blame Misbah since Yasir is the only one who consistently takes wickets?

If he keeps using Yasir like that either he will get an injury or he will be found out like Saqlain did after 2000. Saqlain was also bowling like 35-40 overs in an inning.

Misbah needs to give more overs to other spinners and play fast bowlers who can bowl a lot more than someone like Sohail Khan.

At the moment, Pakistan bowling is a one-man attack. Aamir has been disappointing so far.

 

[Mamoon]

If he keeps using Yasir like that either he will get an injury or he will be found out like Saqlain did after 2000. Saqlain was also bowling like 35-40 overs in an inning.

Misbah needs to give more overs to other spinners and play fast bowlers who can bowl a lot more than someone like Sohail Khan.

At the moment, Pakistan bowling is a one-man attack. Aamir has been disappointing so far.

Yasir should be kept away from Limited Overs. Playing every match in every format took a load on Ajmal, and his Test form declined well before he got suspended.

As long as Yasir plays Tests only, I don't think he will get injured or exposed in the same fashion as Saqlain and Ajmal.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yasir should be kept away from Limited Overs. Playing every match in every format took a load on Ajmal, and his Test form declined well before he got suspended.

As long as Yasir plays Tests only, I don't think he will get injured or exposed in the same fashion as Saqlain and Ajmal.

Yasir has no place in ODIs but if somehow he can improve, he can be a very useful ODI bowler due to his batting and fielding.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

thanks. Zulfi baba is a proven performer once the best spinner in whole of Pakistan so it makes sense that Misbah would use Zulfi baba more. Nawaz is very new and nobody has ever put him even in the top 5 spinners of Pakistan so its understandable that Misbah will use Zulfi baba more than Nawaz. Remember Zulfi baba makes this team because of his bowling while Nawaz makes this team because of his bowling + batting. Anyway Pakistan has to go with one who is producing results.

Zulfi is a proven performer in 3rd and 4th innings but at the age of 39, you never know when he will suddenly become toothless. I get that Misbah has a lot of trust in Zulfi.

But when Zulfi isn't getting you wickets, can't he give Nawaz more than 4 overs in the first innings considering he is the playing XI?

And even in 2nd innings, he gave him just 5 overs even though he picked up the wicket of a set batsman.

A spinner needs more overs to get into rhythm. Even front line spinners can't produce results with just 4 and 5 overs across 2 innings. He doesn't have to accept Nawaz as a proper future spinner but he could have given him more chances considering others weren't taking wickets at will.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yasir's workload is shockingly immense.

Just cos he can bowl 20+ overs spells without losing much venom doesn't mean he should be overbowled like this.

Don't think there is any other spinner in the world who can bowl such long spells consistently.

 

[Watsupdoc]

Again Nawaz only got 5 overs despite picking up a wicket whereas Zulfi bowled 15 overs or so

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Nawaz yet again does well but doesn't get a constant run with the ball. Unbelievable.

 

[srh]

Zulfi is a proven performer in 3rd and 4th innings but at the age of 39, you never know when he will suddenly become toothless. I get that Misbah has a lot of trust in Zulfi.

But when Zulfi isn't getting you wickets, can't he give Nawaz more than 4 overs in the first innings considering he is the playing XI?

And even in 2nd innings, he gave him just 5 overs even though he picked up the wicket of a set batsman.

A spinner needs more overs to get into rhythm. Even front line spinners can't produce results with just 4 and 5 overs across 2 innings. He doesn't have to accept Nawaz as a proper future spinner but he could have given him more chances considering others weren't taking wickets at will.

agreed. Nawaz has to earn respect of Misbah is all I can say and for that Nawaz has to become one of the top 3 best spinner of Pakistan domestic. Zulfi baba was the best spinner of Pakistan domestic for a number of years I believe.

 

[Moiza]

2 overs in the entire session even after Nawaz picked a wicket yesterday.

 

[MenInG]

2 overs in the entire session even after Nawaz picked a wicket yesterday.

The objective of this Test match is not to give maximum overs to Mohammad Nawaz

 

[Moiza]

The objective of this Test match is not to give maximum overs to Mohammad Nawaz

Wicket taking still is if I'm not wrong? Yasir gets overs and overs without break which lets him to get settled in and bowl in the right spots whereas Nawaz gets a couple of overs every now and then even after he has shown his wicket taking ability. I still think he's the better option for wicket taking instead of babar and sohail.

 

[pak4life]

This is one aspect of Misbah I have never liked being able to manage young players. Maybe he didn't want him in the team but that should not cloud his judgement. Giving him short spells is only putting added pressure on the young bowler but not good for his confidence either. It would be nice for him to bowl from one end after the lunch break 10-15 overs on the go.

 

[Abdullah719]

Misbah's comments on the usage of Mohammad Nawaz as a bowler:

"When you play a specialist, you try to utilise him more often and give him a chance first. If we look at the match, fast bowlers had a bigger role in the first innings. We had thought the pitch would assist the spinners more so we picked 3 spinners - if there was more help we might have bowled the two slow left-armers more often. Yasir was still getting some help from the pitch as he is a wrist-spinner."

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Misbah's comments on the usage of Mohammad Nawaz as a bowler:

"When you play a specialist, you try to utilise him more often and give him a chance first. If we look at the match, fast bowlers had a bigger role in the first innings. We had thought the pitch would assist the spinners more so we picked 3 spinners - if there was more help we might have bowled the two slow left-armers more often. Yasir was still getting some help from the pitch as he is a wrist-spinner."

Yes I don't think Misbah bowled Zulfiqar 'Ustaad Ji' Babar more just because he is more senior or that he has something against Nawaz.

Ustaad Ji was playing as a specialist spinner so he naturally deserved to bowl more overs and did a decent job holding up one end and cleaned up the tail in the 2nd innings.

The bigger question is whether at 39, it makes sense for him to travel down under with the team as a specialist spinner? Or should Inzi pick a youngster with the most promise and them ask the coaches to develop him? Nawaz has already been selected and I believe there is a lot of upside left in him. If he can improve further, his bowling can perfectly complement that of Yasir with the added bonus of giving us the necessary batting option at 7 that we desperately need.

 

[Abdullah719]

Looks like Azhar is being trusted more as a bowler than Nawaz... I don't see the point of playing Nawaz, tbh. He hasn't shown much with the bat and is hardly being given a bowl. Better play someone else if you don't trust him at all.

 

[Khan12]

This Is getting ridiculous now. Honestly don't play him at all. What i see is that Misbah is setting the stage of his beloved friend hafeez to make way. Shameless from Misbah but expected from him. Friendship is more important then country.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

This Is getting ridiculous now. Honestly don't play him at all. What i see is that Misbah is setting the stage of his beloved friend hafeez to make way. Shameless from Misbah but expected from him. Friendship is more important then country.

I agree

 

[static]

This Is getting ridiculous now. Honestly don't play him at all. What i see is that Misbah is setting the stage of his beloved friend hafeez to make way. Shameless from Misbah but expected from him. Friendship is more important then country.

beloved friend hafeez is surely going to play in newzealand... oh wait he's not even in the squad

 

[Pak_Pace]

This Is getting ridiculous now. Honestly don't play him at all. What i see is that Misbah is setting the stage of his beloved friend hafeez to make way. Shameless from Misbah but expected from him. Friendship is more important then country.

Calm down. We wouldn't have such a well performing side in tests (even if just in the UAE) overall the last few years if that was the case.

 

[Hasan123]

MMHS has summed it up well in other threads. Seems as though Misbah is desperate to get Hafeez in this line up which is disgraceful poltics. I am a Misbah fan defender but the desperation to get Hafeez in instead of developing Nawaz or including a seam bowling all rounder is really disappointing. When misbah leaves we won't miss him for his development and selection of younger players.

Misbah loyalists can't defend him. A much more intelligent poster than me [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] knows that Misbah is trying to include Hafeez in the team line up even if it means ruining Nawaz and not developing a seam bowling all rounder.

 

[Mamoon]

Misbah loyalists will defend him even if he shoots Nawaz in the head, but there is no justification for giving Nawaz 4 overs only when Azhar got 6 and the forever toothless Zulfiqar kept bowling all day.

 

[angrypathan]

Even Waqar on commentary saying that Nawaz has been severely underbowled, and that it's terrible for his confidence

 

[MenInG]

Hafeez is not in any squad

Shameless manner in which the anti Misbah brigade come running when their favourite player not given preference for reason which Misbah and MA know better

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Nawaz could have 2 wickets in his first over of new spell. Misbah loyalists would still have been defending this decision.

I am a Misbah fan but really cannot defend this. This is pathetic captaincy as it is going to hurt the confidence of a young player. If Azhar Ali is trusted more as a bowler than it would have been better to play a batsman.

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Hafeez is not in any squad

Shameless manner in which the anti Misbah brigade come running when their favourite player not given preference for reason which Misbah and MA know better

He is not in the squad because he has to clear the bowling test. He will clear the bowling test and will be back for the Australia series. With Nawaz not contributing enough with the bat and limited bowling opportunities, it will be easy for Nawaz to be dropped and replace him with a batsman who can bowl.

 

[Fahdi]

The guy almost got two wickets today. One catch dropped by Sarfraz and the other got Azhar Ali's grill. The guy has shown more bite in one over than Zulfi in this entire innings.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Misbah fails in developing new players.

 

[JibranAnsari]

So they are considering him a batsman? Should have played Babar instead then.

 

[saeed5646]

Is Misbah trying to prove critics wrong to give bowling to Nawaz in crunch moment rather than Zbabar

May be i am totally wrong but i have a feeling Misbah is trying to prove a point

Giving more bowling to Nawaz instead of Zulfiqar babar in defending low total

and also to justify why he did not give more overs to Nawaz in entire test series

Thoughts???

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Yeah, wonderful tactics to not bowl him for 2 games then bring him in under pressure. Misbah is a genius.

 

[Buffet]

May be i am totally wrong but i have a feeling Misbah is trying to prove a point

Giving more bowling to Nawaz instead of Zulfiqar babar in defending low total

and also to justify why he did not give more overs to Nawaz in entire test series

Thoughts???

If it's for proving a point then it's an idiotic move in my opinion. Also, there is no need to prove any point when you are dealing with 40-50 runs.

Too many easy runs were given rather than WI earning it a hard way. I don't understand the captaincy to be honest. Hoping that wickets will fall out of nowhere is fine when you are playing with 500 runs, but not when you are dealing with 150 runs. Make every run very hard.

 

[saeed5646]

If it's for proving a point then it's an idiotic move in my opinion. Also, there is no need to prove any point when you are dealing with 40-50 runs.

Too many easy runs were given rather than WI earning it a hard way. I don't understand the captaincy to be honest. Hoping that wickets will fall out of nowhere is fine when you are playing with 500 runs, but not when you are dealing with 150 runs. Make every run very hard.

his captaincy has been poor in this series and also i have no idea why he has given only 3 overs to zulfiqar

who is supposed to be better than nawaz

 

[Buffet]

his captaincy has been poor in this series and also i have no idea why he has given only 3 overs to zulfiqar

who is supposed to be better than nawaz

Good thing for Pakistan is that day is over and on new day WI can lose two quick wickets.

 

[srh]

his captaincy has been poor in this series and also i have no idea why he has given only 3 overs to zulfiqar

who is supposed to be better than nawaz

may be Zulfi baba is injured? otherwise it does not make sense that Nawaz has bowled more overs than Zulfi baba in 4th inning of a match

 

[saeed5646]

may be Zulfi baba is injured? otherwise it does not make sense that Nawaz has bowled more overs than Zulfi baba in 4th inning of a match

Na bro as far i knows zulfi is not injured and i think misbah is trying to exposed nawaz "inexperienced" as a

bowler

 

[LegendAli]

thanks. Zulfi baba is a proven performer once the best spinner in whole of Pakistan so it makes sense that Misbah would use Zulfi baba more. Nawaz is very new and nobody has ever put him even in the top 5 spinners of Pakistan so its understandable that Misbah will use Zulfi baba more than Nawaz. Remember Zulfi baba makes this team because of his bowling while Nawaz makes this team because of his bowling + batting. Anyway Pakistan has to go with one who is producing results.

Wasn't Zulfi enough for you guys? Now you're starting to refer to him as Zulfi Baba?

 

[MenInG]

Is he ready to take the role of the main spinner? Seemed to be bowled well today in the final day against CA XI?

 

[aloo paratha]

Is he ready to take the role of the main spinner? Seemed to be bowled well today in the final day against CA XI?

Definitely not, can be second spinner but his bowling is not nearly good enough for a main spinner role.