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Mohammad Rizwan vs Mohammad Haris – Is the comparison even justified anymore?

Who should be Pakistan's first-choice wicketkeeper in T20Is?

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Mohammad Haris came into the T20I setup with a lot of hype — aggressive intent, fearless batting, and that “modern-day” flair everyone craved. But over time has he really lived up to the expectations?

His last 8 scores in T20Is:

4, 0, 5, 6*, 4, 2, 15, 1

37 runs off 42 balls at a strike rate of 88

Fans often criticize Mohammad Rizwan for a low strike rate but he averages over 45 in T20Is, something Mohammad Haris is nowhere near matching. He struggles with shot selection, lacks consistency and often throws his wicket away trying to be ultra-aggressive.

So the question is, should Pakistan continue investing in Mohammad Haris as a T20I option? Or is Mohammad Rizwan still the better choice despite his conservative approach?
 
By the way just a disclaimer... Rizwan is not my choice. It’s just a question that most people are asking these days so I thought why not discuss it with you folks here?
 
Both hurt your team in a different way. Neither of them will remotely walk into any of the 9 main T20 international sides.
 
pak need a new keeper, or to just give someone the job part time instead. rizwan is a decent cricketer, the problem is the politics he brings with him. fwiw id persist with haris, hes a good six hitter, and his rubbish form isnt really hurting pakistan at the moment.
 
The standard deviation of Haris is bigger than Rizwan , highlighting his volatility in batting , take your pick.
 
Rizwan needs to come back in the setup ASAP. He will need to follow a clear guideline around strike rate though.
 
Rizwan form has been down for the last year or so in all formats. And in PSL he is not doing that well. If he’s out of form I see no reason to bring him back for t20s. If he wants his place back in t20s set PSL alight.

Haris may be worse keeper, probably a worse batsman. But he is much younger and might well be our long term future, with an ability to play quicker and be more flexible where he bats. So for those reasons I would go with Haris.
 
gazza619 said:
Rizwan needs to come back in the setup ASAP. He will need to follow a clear guideline around strike rate though.
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But didn't you once say you have to add a few years for every Pakistan player because their official age is lower than their actual age.

So going by your logic, if Rizwan is 35+ and failing, wouldn't it be a step backwards to bring him back to the side or do we just want a KPK XI?
 
gazza619 said:
Darr kyun rahe ho. Be brave, be a warrior.
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haha darna kis say hai? fact is that Rizwan and Haris both are crap tbh

if i would have a choice so i will go with Sahibzada Farhan to keep the wickets and will add a specialist batter down the order like Mohammad Irfan Khan Niazi. Haris is just a waste of spot!
 
topspin said:
But didn't you once say you have to add a few years for every Pakistan player because their official age is lower than their actual age.

So going by your logic, if Rizwan is 35+ and failing, wouldn't it be a step backwards to bring him back to the side or do we just want a KPK XI?
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Fitness matters. Age doesn’t.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
haha darna kis say hai? fact is that Rizwan and Haris both are crap tbh

if i would have a choice so i will go with Sahibzada Farhan to keep the wickets and will add a specialist batter down the order like Mohammad Irfan Khan Niazi. Haris is just a waste of spot!
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Be brave apparently

Someone has a gun pointed to your head saying not to pick Rizwan
 
ElRaja said:
pak need a new keeper, or to just give someone the job part time instead. rizwan is a decent cricketer, the problem is the politics he brings with him. fwiw id persist with haris, hes a good six hitter, and his rubbish form isnt really hurting pakistan at the moment.
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Disagree we can't afford to have part time keeper.
 
shamaan said:
Disagree we can't afford to have part time keeper.
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haris is 24, and has shown at domestic level the type of player pak need him to be. rizwan is 33 and has replicated his domestic performances at internatonal level, but it does not fit in with what pak require. azam khan is the only other t20 keeper batter, and he struggles against pace, isnt much better than haris, and is grossly unfit.

out of the three option, giving haris a longer run in the only viable option. rizwan returning, and averaging 40 odd at 120 s/r doesnt serve anyone, and azam khan is like a crappier version of haris.
 
ElRaja said:
haris is 24, and has shown at domestic level the type of player pak need him to be. rizwan is 33 and has replicated his domestic performances at internatonal level, but it does not fit in with what pak require. azam khan is the only other t20 keeper batter, and he struggles against pace, isnt much better than haris, and is grossly unfit.

out of the three option, giving haris a longer run in the only viable option. rizwan returning, and averaging 40 odd at 120 s/r doesnt serve anyone, and azam khan is like a crappier version of haris.
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He is replicating his domestic performance.i.e., sub 20 avg player.

If a batter avg less than shahdi afridi then we really need to look for alternatives.
 
So Rizwan is the only keeper left in the whole country beside Haris? Farhan can keep as well, and we have other up and coming keepers too like Haseebullah. No reason to give someone chances again and again when its established that they are a failure. Because that would be insanity.
 
topspin said:
I learnt something new today. There is no such thing as age related decline.
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Bro it’s 33 mindset

The 33 will be better than everyone in Pakistan even by the age of 70

Imran Khan is still a better All rounder than Faheem Ashraf bro
 
ElRaja said:
haris is 24, and has shown at domestic level the type of player pak need him to be. rizwan is 33 and has replicated his domestic performances at internatonal level, but it does not fit in with what pak require. azam khan is the only other t20 keeper batter, and he struggles against pace, isnt much better than haris, and is grossly unfit.

out of the three option, giving haris a longer run in the only viable option. rizwan returning, and averaging 40 odd at 120 s/r doesnt serve anyone, and azam khan is like a crappier version of haris.
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Azam khan isn't that great of a keeper.haris should continue like u said.
 
Hyder said:
He is replicating his domestic performance.i.e., sub 20 avg player.

If a batter avg less than shahdi afridi then we really need to look for alternatives.
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I don't think average matters at no 6 and lower position. Your role is to start going from ball one or get out without wasting ball.

It's a thankless role but you need someone who can attempt to go from ball 1, it won't always come off but it's good to have that option in lower order.

So far, him getting out hasn't hurt the team because he hasn't wasted balls and next batsmen could hit. Imagine an accumulator at death wasting balls, pakistan wouldn't have crossed 165-170 in any innings this series.
 
The Rizwan vs Harris debate only exists here and that too because of Rana's rona dhona 24/7

Everyone knows how bad Harris is.

Harris main issue is he cant score runs. Finds new ways to throw wickets. Rizwans issue is he is not improving his strike rate. Rizwan is back to his 2017 days when he was struggling to score runs. He needs some mentoring from a coach to get himself sorted.
 
Give Haris some time. @Sachin fan has summed his performance up nicely.

In my view there is no point comparing Rizwan performance as opener playing an anchor role to Haris in the lower order playing an aggressor role. Yes Haris has failed quite badly thus far, but the comparison is like comparing a center back to a striker, given their completely different roles and approaches.
 
One thing i do have to admit is that rizwan is being stubborn. You bring in new guys and expect them to bat at any position the team wants. But than the same thing is not expected from senior players that get to hog their spots.

In the current team, there is no way Rizwan can play in the top order or even middle. Only lower order opens up after Hassan Nawaz but that to where Rizwan will have to improve his striking of the ball.

Rizwan has become the fawad alam equivalent in limited overs now.
 
Major said:
The Rizwan vs Harris debate only exists here and that too because of Rana's rona dhona 24/7

Everyone knows how bad Harris is.

Harris main issue is he cant score runs. Finds new ways to throw wickets. Rizwans issue is he is not improving his strike rate. Rizwan is back to his 2017 days when he was struggling to score runs. He needs some mentoring from a coach to get himself sorted.
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Every version of Rizwan is useless

The best version of Rizwan is the one that gets out early at the crease. He cannot damage his team’s chances then
 
Slim said:
So Rizwan is the only keeper left in the whole country beside Haris? Farhan can keep as well, and we have other up and coming keepers too like Haseebullah. No reason to give someone chances again and again when its established that they are a failure. Because that would be insanity.
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Farhan looks good as a specialist bat and will excel in certain conditions. I dont like the idea of making him keep because he can be very destructive without burdening him with additional responsibility.

In Asian conditions there would be no harm in Usman Khan keeping in some games too as he can potentially bat quite well ( even though he hasnt had a good international career so far)
 
Major said:
One thing i do have to admit is that rizwan is being stubborn. You bring in new guys and expect them to bat at any position the team wants. But than the same thing is not expected from senior players that get to hog their spots.

In the current team, there is no way Rizwan can play in the top order or even middle. Only lower order opens up after Hassan Nawaz but that to where Rizwan will have to improve his striking of the ball.

Rizwan has become the fawad alam equivalent in limited overs now.
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What? No he hasn't lol.

You're acting like rizzu will just roll over and accept that he has to bat at the lower order.

This isnt cpl and he is a senior. If he gets recalled he will open, end of story.

That's why he is out of the team, if he wasnt so stubborn, Haris wouldn't have a career and rizzu would be playing at no 7 as a speiclaist keeper due to his keeping ability.

Haris would either play as a specialist batsmen or wouldn't play at all.

Rizwan got removed due to his poor form at opening × his stubbornness to change

Fawad Alam on the other hand never got any opportunity, he was always an outsider in whiteball. Despite top scoring in 2014, YK rona dhona removed him.

Rizzu is more like 2015 YK lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
What? No he hasn't lol.

You're acting like rizzu will just roll over and accept that he has to bat at the lower order.

This isnt cpl and he is a senior. If he gets recalled he will open, end of story.

That's why he is out of the team, if he wasnt so stubborn, Haris wouldn't have a career and rizzu would be playing at no 7 as a speiclaist keeper due to his keeping ability.

Haris would either play as a specialist batsmen or wouldn't play at all.

Rizwan got removed due to his poor form at opening × his stubbornness to change

Fawad Alam on the other hand never got any opportunity, he was always an outsider in whiteball. Despite top scoring in 2014, YK rona dhona removed him.

Rizzu is more like 2015 YK lol.
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Change is inevitable, and it's something we all encounter at different stages in our lives. Even Riz has the potential to change, just like the rest of us.

Given the current circumstances, it's clear that we need to look around and carefully evaluate the options available to us. Unfortunately, the choices we have right now appear to be quite limited.
 
gazza619 said:
Change is inevitable, and it's something we all encounter at different stages in our lives. Even Riz has the potential to change, just like the rest of us.
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The only change that was inevitable was a Pakistan team heading in a direction that blacklists Rizwan in T20.

And they have been doing very well in this direction. Rizwan isn’t just an individual player, he is a symbol of pathetic, weak, mediocre and useless cricket mindset.
 
gazza619 said:
Change is inevitable, and it's something we all encounter at different stages in our lives. Even Riz has the potential to change, just like the rest of us.

Given the current circumstances, it's clear that we need to look around and carefully evaluate the options available to us. Unfortunately, the choices we have right now appear to be quite limited.
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Bruh? Why are you sounding like Thanos 🤣🤣.

I don't resort to could have, would have predictions. However since I like you as a poster ill share my hypothetical view.

Yes historically 2021 showcases that Rizwan had a purple patch where he was ridiculously good as a t20 cricketer avg 73 with a sr of 136.

While the sr is on the lower end, the avg is freakishly good, I believe my bro @Rana Disgarees but Rizwan was freakishly good in 2021 with India victory being the highlight of his career.

No matter the SR i would gladly trade in 70+ avg in any format over a high sr and low avg player.

Difference is 2022-2024 tells a completly different story. From 2022 to 2024 rizzu avg 33 to 42 round about in bi laterals due to b and c string lineups.

In tournaments hes avg 25 give or take. The sr from 2021 has also fallen from 136 to 90-110.

No one i repeat on one would want a 25-40 avg 90 to 110sr batter as an opener in t20.

Now if you are banking on rizzu returning to form, stats show that he was equally rubbish from 2016-2020.

In otherwords your could have probability isnt supported by data. Historic data shows that that rizzu has been consistent with one outlier year. I repeat OUTLIER YEAR.

In other words given his age and recent span of events, we will not see a duplicate outlier year.
 
Rizwan is the more reliable option if you want to look at it that way despite having a lower SR.

Haris on the other hand, floats in and out. He's often seen as a utility player or a backup, which hampers rhythm and confidence.

So in all honesty, the comparison isn't justified.

Rizwan needs to up his SR and work extensively on that side of his game if he wants to be back into Pakistan's T20 and ODI team.

Haris, though exciting, is still a work-in-progress, more suited for experimental roles or franchise cricket for now.

Until Haris turns promise into performance on a consistent basis at the international level, comparing him to Rizwan feels premature and unfair to both players.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bruh? Why are you sounding like Thanos 🤣🤣.

I don't resort to could have, would have predictions. However since I like you as a poster ill share my hypothetical view.

Yes historically 2021 showcases that Rizwan had a purple patch where he was ridiculously good as a t20 cricketer avg 73 with a sr of 136.

While the sr is on the lower end, the avg is freakishly good, I believe my bro @Rana Disgarees but Rizwan was freakishly good in 2021 with India victory being the highlight of his career.

No matter the SR i would gladly trade in 70+ avg in any format over a high sr and low avg player.

Difference is 2022-2024 tells a completly different story. From 2022 to 2024 rizzu avg 33 to 42 round about in bi laterals due to b and c string lineups.

In tournaments hes avg 25 give or take. The sr from 2021 has also fallen from 136 to 90-110.

No one i repeat on one would want a 25-40 avg 90 to 110sr batter as an opener in t20.

Now if you are banking on rizzu returning to form, stats show that he was equally rubbish from 2016-2020.

In otherwords your could have probability isnt supported by data. Historic data shows that that rizzu has been consistent with one outlier year. I repeat OUTLIER YEAR.

In other words given his age and recent span of events, we will not see a duplicate outlier year.
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Firstly, I deeply appreciate the likeliness for myself, and I believe that beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder. However, I noticed that while mentioning Riz’s outlier year, his fantastic performances with both the bat and gloves during his non-outlier years were completely ignored.

I understand that Riz can be quite stubborn about not leaving the opening slot, but despite that, I have confidence that he will come good. He may not be a Gilchrist or a Buttler, but he is certainly of a higher pedigree than the alternative options we have at the moment.

From a personal standpoint, I believe that Riz deserves a place in the team based on his wicketkeeping skills alone. His contributions behind the stumps have been invaluable, and I firmly believe that we should continue to support him and give him the opportunity to shine again.
 
gazza619 said:
Firstly, I deeply appreciate the likeliness for myself, and I believe that beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder. However, I noticed that while mentioning Riz’s outlier year, his fantastic performances with both the bat and gloves during his non-outlier years were completely ignored.

I understand that Riz can be quite stubborn about not leaving the opening slot, but despite that, I have confidence that he will come good. He may not be a Gilchrist or a Buttler, but he is certainly of a higher pedigree than the alternative options we have at the moment.

From a personal standpoint, I believe that Riz deserves a place in the team based on his wicketkeeping skills alone. His contributions behind the stumps have been invaluable, and I firmly believe that we should continue to support him and give him the opportunity to shine again.
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In 2022 to 2024 he has average performances in bi laterals only. In tournaments he's been useless.

Before you claim tournaments have top sides, Rizzu has gotten the opportunity to face USA, Canada, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Bangladesh, Afghanistan in such events.

His stand out performances are vs Netherlands and NZ and neither of em are that good in t20. Both knocks are bang avg and downright pathehtic tbh.

The less said about the rest the better.
 
mominsaigol said:
What? No he hasn't lol.

You're acting like rizzu will just roll over and accept that he has to bat at the lower order.

This isnt cpl and he is a senior. If he gets recalled he will open, end of story.

That's why he is out of the team, if he wasnt so stubborn, Haris wouldn't have a career and rizzu would be playing at no 7 as a speiclaist keeper due to his keeping ability.

Haris would either play as a specialist batsmen or wouldn't play at all.

Rizwan got removed due to his poor form at opening × his stubbornness to change

Fawad Alam on the other hand never got any opportunity, he was always an outsider in whiteball. Despite top scoring in 2014, YK rona dhona removed him.

Rizzu is more like 2015 YK lol.
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Where i said he will play down the order? Thats exactly what im saying that he is stubborn and wont play at lowrr order.

Fawad was also a garbage t20 ppayer but made his debut in pakistan through t20
 
Rana said:
How does it change anything in the world if you admit it or you don’t admit it?

Does it make you any less clueless than you already are?
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Naa the only one clueless here is you.
 
Rana said:
Yeah we saw your comments here about being an expert on construction. That was embarrassing
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U can sit in teh guddi of PTI fans for all i care.

Or hide behind their pillars in the stadium
 
We need to persist with Saim (SR 138) and Farhan (SR 130) as T20 openers. Give them confidence and a longer run.

Rizwan (SR 125) can come back into the side if he improves his hitting range and strike rotation (cuts out dot balls) and is prepared to bat in the middle order / no 6. Of course it also depends on Haris’s up coming performances. Asia Cup will tell us more k yeh kitney paani mein hai! All talk but zero performance at the moment.
 
We should respect other’s opinions. Differing opinions is what makes such forums entertaining and engaging.

Some here are blind Rizwan haters (agreed needs to show more intent in his batting)

Some are stubborn Haris supporters despite little to show recently

‘My way or the highway’ is also not the right attitude
 
Haris should be given a long rope. There is no other option. The alternatives are haseebullah who a poor bat and not a t20 player. Azam Khan who is in the wrong sport. People saying the likes of farhan and khawaja nafay as keepers need to know these guys are worse than Azam Khan with the gloves as they have never kept.

Unfortunately there is no one coming through the u19 ranks. Ghazi Ghouri is more for the longer format while saad baig batting is far worse than haseebullah and a dud against pace while being a poor keeper.
 
Rana said:
Anyone watching CPL

Rizwan was listed to bat at 3


He still hasn’t been set out in a chase of 180, even though he scored 60* last game :ROFLMAO:

@shaz619 @topspin @mominsaigol @RyanRyan10 @
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He's entered now as a goat finisher.

41 of 16. Very difficult but easy easy for the Bradman of t20. After all Bradman did smack a 22 ball FC 100.

And Rizzu is his t20 equivalent meaning he should be even faster then Bradman.
 
You can bring in a wooden plank in place of Rizwan and even that would perform better.

Point is, Rizwan was damaging the team with his match losing innings. Any player who does not perform, as long as they don’t have a negative impact, will be better than Rizwan.
 
I personally think neither should be in the national T20 team. Rizwan is not suitable for T20 and Haris is only good for flat pitches.

Make Farhan the keeper or get another keeper in my opinion.
 
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