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We know what happened with Sarfaraz yesterday when he came under pressure in the game against Quetta

In contrast, Rizwan seems much more in control - even when Sohail Tanvir was in danger of being taken to the cleaners.

But is that the full picture?

Discuss.
 
Rizwan seems to be at the opposite end of the spectrum. The youngster Dhani is getting smacked so he should go down and offer some advice and give him confidence. Rizwan’s just standing there looking confused.
 
Rizwan seems to be at the opposite end of the spectrum. The youngster Dhani is getting smacked so he should go down and offer some advice and give him confidence. Rizwan’s just standing there looking confused.

What advice? Is he a fast bowler? Why do we love showbazi so much? This is why we have seen clown like Sarfraz yelling at players last night because many of us would love to see captain showing dramabazi and running to the bowlers and telling them where to bowl. This is the job of the bowling coach or a senior bowler.
 
One was playing with passion. Living every ball, making changes according to the game and staying involved.

The other stood there making stupid facial expressions.

The former has taken Pakistan to a World Cup win, a champions trophy win. Number 1 side in T20 and a team posting 300 consistently.
 
All blame can’t be given to Rizwan. Tanvir is trash these days, actually, always has been. But now poor in leagues too. Rizwan is a natural leader, even if you don’t think of him as one tactically. He’s in control without yelling or screaming, but also isn’t passive like Misbah.
 
What advice? Is he a fast bowler? Why do we love showbazi so much? This is why we have seen clown like Sarfraz yelling at players last night because many of us would love to see captain showing dramabazi and running to the bowlers and telling them where to bowl. This is the job of the bowling coach or a senior bowler.
He’s the captain. Doesn’t matter if he’s a wicket keeper or a bowler, I think he should’ve gone down to him and given the kid some encouragement and confidence. What Sarfaraz does is completely wrong and he ruins the bowler’s confidence by shouting at him. But Dhani, on debut, was there by himself with no one offering him any advice and he lost the plot in his final over. It’s not about showbazi or dramabazi. Guiding and encouraging a young bowler on debut in a pressure situation as a captain is not showbazi.
 
Sarfaraz won you Champions Trophy. Under him, Pakistan were the no.1 side in t20 format for 2 years.

CT was a fluke. Answer me, how come Pak were on their longest losing streak immediately after CT? How come we were losing to everyone in ODIs outside CT?

And in T20s we got lucky because of some easy competition, nobody was focusing on T20s at that time.

Nothing can mask how poor Sarfraz is as the captain.
 
CT was a fluke. Answer me, how come Pak were on their longest losing streak immediately after CT? How come we were losing to everyone in ODIs outside CT?

And in T20s we got lucky because of some easy competition, nobody was focusing on T20s at that time.

Nothing can mask how poor Sarfraz is as the captain.

As a coach I’d happily lose 10 series in a row and then win a world trophy. No one cares about these pointless series. People care about world trophies.
 
One was playing with passion. Living every ball, making changes according to the game and staying involved.

The other stood there making stupid facial expressions.

The former has taken Pakistan to a World Cup win, a champions trophy win. Number 1 side in T20 and a team posting 300 consistently.


Passion he was screaming n shouting like crazy

Im all for showing that you care but yday was seriously poor n embarrasing from a captain
 
But overall I don’t think Rizwan’s been too bad of a captain so far. His bowling changes have been alright (apart from bowling Lala in the power play tonight) and so has his field placing. Tanvir’s bowling has been the primary reason for the two losses so far. Dhani looks like a good find, they should probably play Ilyas instead of Tanvir. They could even play three leggies by bringing in Tahir once the tournament moves to Lahore if the pitches there offer more turn than Karachi, which they should. Despite the bad start, I think Rizwan and Multan will be fine this year.
 
Sarfaraz won you Champions Trophy. Under him, Pakistan were the no.1 side in t20 format for 2 years.

Yawn. This is becoming such a repetitive reply from his fans. He didn't do that alone. Nor his batting was of any significance. it was a total team effort. In fact two of the players performed out of the blue (Fakher and Hafeez). They made it very very tough for India. When It was immense pressure situation Sarfraz was seen praying in the dressing room and eating his nails while Hafeez was hammering India.
 
One was playing with passion. Living every ball, making changes according to the game and staying involved.

The other stood there making stupid facial expressions.

The former has taken Pakistan to a World Cup win, a champions trophy win. Number 1 side in T20 and a team posting 300 consistently.

passion..lol yeah we know his passion when he decided to eat Biryani everyday after becoming captain of the national team.lol
 
Both are poor.

Not leadership material.

LOL says who? You, who supports one of the worst players to captain Pakistan in LOIs? Sarfraz has won silverware and surpasses many in his achievements. He has achieved more in LOIs than Kohli LOL I know he is down and out of the door almost now but lets not lose perspective.
 
But overall I don’t think Rizwan’s been too bad of a captain so far. His bowling changes have been alright (apart from bowling Lala in the power play tonight) and so has his field placing. Tanvir’s bowling has been the primary reason for the two losses so far. Dhani looks like a good find, they should probably play Ilyas instead of Tanvir . They could even play three leggies by bringing in Tahir once the tournament moves to Lahore if the pitches there offer more turn than Karachi, which they should. Despite the bad start, I think Rizwan and Multan will be fine this year.

No more a Sultan, Ilyas is a King.
 
Ultimately results matter, but it was just nice to see a skipper treating his team-mates with respect and not going berserk and shouting at them in full view of the watching world.
 
CT was a fluke. Answer me, how come Pak were on their longest losing streak immediately after CT? How come we were losing to everyone in ODIs outside CT?

And in T20s we got lucky because of some easy competition, nobody was focusing on T20s at that time.

Nothing can mask how poor Sarfraz is as the captain.

Yeah, whatever doesn't fit your narrative is a fluke....too bad no other captain could even fluke a trophy win

So under Sarfaraz Pakistan was 'lucky' in T20s due to weak competition.......but then 'unlucky Misbah' comes in and Pakistan lose games to SL C, Zim, NZ and weak SA...what will you say about that

Sarfaraz doesn't merit a place in the team anymore and he's having a bad time but you can't take away his past achievements from him and call it....'fluke and luck'
 
Rizwan needs to captain a lot more before we can make a fair judgment. But I don’t see why Rizwan can’t be a better captain than Sarfraz. But we need a bigger sample size.
 
Rizwan looks more calm and composed but he looks a little lost and not very tactically astute.
But it's early days and he can surely improve.

Sarfaraz has his own style and it doesn't look good on TV but he has had success with it in the past.
But he can surely tone it down a level or two as it can affect a young player's confidence.
 
I'd rather neither of them captain Pakistan. They can do whatever they like in PSL
 
But overall I don’t think Rizwan’s been too bad of a captain so far. His bowling changes have been alright (apart from bowling Lala in the power play tonight) and so has his field placing. Tanvir’s bowling has been the primary reason for the two losses so far. Dhani looks like a good find, they should probably play Ilyas instead of Tanvir. They could even play three leggies by bringing in Tahir once the tournament moves to Lahore if the pitches there offer more turn than Karachi, which they should. Despite the bad start, I think Rizwan and Multan will be fine this year.

They need to play 3 fast bowlers otherwise a spinner will have to bowl in the powerplay play they dont have a left arm spinner who can bowl 1,2 overs in the powerplay.
 
Rizwan should have gone upto the bowler for encouragement or to calm him down
 
LOL says who? You, who supports one of the worst players to captain Pakistan in LOIs? Sarfraz has won silverware and surpasses many in his achievements. He has achieved more in LOIs than Kohli LOL I know he is down and out of the door almost now but lets not lose perspective.

Saying LOL after every few words will not make your point stronger.

Also,

Sarfraz is bigger than Kohli?

I rest my case.
 
This.

All the sarfaraz fan boys don't know the stats. He just got the fluky CT but I give him credit for that.
This drum roll about number 1 in t20 for 2 years is the most annoying one. We've always played our full strength squads while other team always build for the future in t20. They use t20 to develop players for the odi and odi for test.
 
One is a real champ and the other is the people’s champ.
 
This.

All the sarfaraz fan boys don't know the stats. He just got the fluky CT but I give him credit for that.
This drum roll about number 1 in t20 for 2 years is the most annoying one. We've always played our full strength squads while other team always build for the future in t20. They use t20 to develop players for the odi and odi for test.

Exactly the only meaningful win in those 2 years was vs NZ 2-1 rest were at home or against medicore sides.
 
What I have seen so far is Babar is a much better captain as compared to Rizwan. As far as this thread is concern Rizwan is a better captain than Sarfraz.
 
Both are bad captains. Thank god we have Babar as out international captain who seems to have a decent middle ground of not getting too angry but also remaining passionate and involved.
 
Both are great captains and two of the best cricketing minds we've had in recent times.

Sarfaraz was great but his time is done. Those saying he fluked his way to winning the CT, u-19 WC, No.1 ranking in T20s and 3 PSL finals can't explain why nobody else could do the same. This doesn't excuse his poor diet as captain but credit must be given where it's due but now it's time to move on from him.

Just because someone supports Sarfaraz doesn't mean you have to hate on Rizwan or vice versa. Rizwan is the best cricketer in the country at the moment and the only one who can stake a claim to be amongst the top 3 in the world at his role if not the best i.e keeper-batsmen, not even Babar or Shaheen are amongst the top 3 in the world in their respective roles as of yet.

Rizwan is a freak talent who people wrote off because he couldn't hit Starc, Hazlewood etc. out of the park from ball one in his very first innings in Australian conditions which shows a horrific lack of foresight. He will prove everyone wrong with his astute captaincy the same way he has by piling runs upon runs since his comeback into the team.

Rizwan is the leader Pakistan need and leadership brings the best out of him. He'll be a great successor to Sarfaraz who is one of the most decorated captains in our history during one of the worst times.
 
Both are great captains and two of the best cricketing minds we've had in recent times.

Sarfaraz was great but his time is done. Those saying he fluked his way to winning the CT, u-19 WC, No.1 ranking in T20s and 3 PSL finals can't explain why nobody else could do the same. This doesn't excuse his poor diet as captain but credit must be given where it's due but now it's time to move on from him.

Just because someone supports Sarfaraz doesn't mean you have to hate on Rizwan or vice versa. Rizwan is the best cricketer in the country at the moment and the only one who can stake a claim to be amongst the top 3 in the world at his role if not the best i.e keeper-batsmen, not even Babar or Shaheen are amongst the top 3 in the world in their respective roles as of yet.

Rizwan is a freak talent who people wrote off because he couldn't hit Starc, Hazlewood etc. out of the park from ball one in his very first innings in Australian conditions which shows a horrific lack of foresight. He will prove everyone wrong with his astute captaincy the same way he has by piling runs upon runs since his comeback into the team.

Rizwan is the leader Pakistan need and leadership brings the best out of him. He'll be a great successor to Sarfaraz who is one of the most decorated captains in our history during one of the worst times.

No thanks

Imad is the leader Pakistan needs.
 
No thanks

Imad is the leader Pakistan needs.

Rana bro, Imad also has a great cricketing mind but he's too selfish even if I ignore the faux arrogance.

Imad never lets another spinner settle in the Karachi team just in case he out performs him which Umer Khan did in 2019. Last year he played him but didn't even give him an over in the game against Multan. When Bazid asked him about it he gave a very insecure and immature reply.

This year with matches only at 2 venues the pitches might be extremely worn out by the time the play offs come with spinners holding the key and that's a glaring weakness in Karachi's armoury which Imad has contributed to. He can't nullify this oversight because he doesn't turn the ball himself and Nabi isn't a big spinner of the ball either.

The first sign of a leader is he allows talent to flourish around him and doesn't hog the limelight for himself. He's wasted Umer Khan and Rizwan in the past but luckily Joe Clarke is a world class replacement for Rizwan unfortunately there's no spinner who's been allowed to settle under his wing.
 
Atleast Rizwan's teammates respect him and end up bearing no ill will towards him at the end of the day. Sarfaraz risks a mutiny
 
Exactly the only meaningful win in those 2 years was vs NZ 2-1 rest were at home or against medicore sides.

And now...Pak is even losing to mediocre SL C, Zim, weak SA at home.

So it's actually worse now....anyway Sarfaraz is history and his career is almost over.
He had his faults and should be criticised for poor form, fitness etc but let's not belittle his achievements.

Babar and Rizwan are the future and should be supported, they will improve.
 
What advice? Is he a fast bowler? Why do we love showbazi so much? This is why we have seen clown like Sarfraz yelling at players last night because many of us would love to see captain showing dramabazi and running to the bowlers and telling them where to bowl. This is the job of the bowling coach or a senior bowler.

Whether you're playing club cricket or T20/PSL, in this situation a bowler knows what fault he is committing and last thing he wants is captain ( who is not a bowler ) running to him to put more pressure on hm. Its OK if a fellow bowler gives some tips to the struggling bowler but not the captain, not Sarfraz FGS.
 
The first sign of a leader is he allows talent to flourish around him and doesn't hog the limelight for himself.

Agreed. Someone like Imad will be happy to surround himself with yes men while anyone who is a threat to his place or his captaincy will find themselves ostracised.

That being said he's been a successful PSL captain and certainly has the confidence and leadership skills to take on such a role, so who knows.
 
Sarfraz for all his flaws has the old Pakistani knack of galvanizing his troops and really knocking over the oppositions. Neithet Babar nor Rizwan have this uncanny ability. CT 2017 and u19 WC 2006 are prime examples of what that. He has that x-factor that we all love about our team.
 
I don't know why fans (mostly Sarfraz fans) pit these two against each other? It would have made sense some 3 years back. Nothing makes sense to me.
 
One was playing with passion. Living every ball, making changes according to the game and staying involved.

The other stood there making stupid facial expressions.

The former has taken Pakistan to a World Cup win, a champions trophy win. Number 1 side in T20 and a team posting 300 consistently.

i am very sure u r not talking abt sarfraz here bez he was pathatic in wc ....
 
Sarfraz soon became the , not only the worst captain, but also the worst player to have played for Pak

his contribution is big clap 0.....

such a seriously shameful charachter who loves to shout on other when its his mistake to begin with.

has abs no memorable innigs apart from tht 1 against SL ... useless shouter and thats tht

thank God we got rid of him
 
Agreed. Someone like Imad will be happy to surround himself with yes men while anyone who is a threat to his place or his captaincy will find themselves ostracised.

That being said he's been a successful PSL captain and certainly has the confidence and leadership skills to take on such a role, so who knows.

Even in the National T20 Cup when Imad joined the Northern team as captain the team sort of deflated.

Under Shadab they won the first 5 games to take their winning streak to 10 games in a row but they lost Imad's first game back as captain and went onto lose 3 out of the last 6 games including the SF quite tamely.

After the tournament ended then Northern coach, now chief selector, Muhammad Wasim replaced Imad as captain with Shadab permanently in quite a damning verdict of his assessment of Imad.

Imad provides great utility in T20's as a bowling all-rounder and decent utility as a batting all-rounder in ODI's but making him captain would create a dysfunctional dressing room though he is a much better captaincy option than Babar, who is yet to grow into the role and may never be able to do so.
 
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Both are great captains and two of the best cricketing minds we've had in recent times.

Rizwan is the leader Pakistan need and leadership brings the best out of him. He'll be a great successor to Sarfaraz who is one of the most decorated captains in our history during one of the worst times.

Leader takes responsibility of decisions and not of implementations. Rizwan likes to take too much responsibility, on the field and off the field. He can be a good leader but will never be a Very Good leader.

Sarfaraz is 180-Degree opposite on the field but off the field he's okay.

As far as PCT is concerned, I have always believed PCT should have Bowling-Captains only. With Babar Azam, for the first time I am backing a Batsman-Captain but he should step down from T20 captaincy after T20-WorldCup.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">His bowler gets hit for a big six - Mohammad Rizwan walks up to him, looks him in the eye, gives him a hug and smiles at him. Every cricketer's dream captain, what a man <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KKvsMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KKvsMS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1486729215785402381?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Rizwan captaincy was spot on he had players in key area for example he had someone on the pull shot for Sharjeel then he also brought on Khushdil when Babar was on strike.He also rotated the bowlers well whilst using the part time spinners.
 
Might even see a Rizwan vs Sarfraz final.

Both have what it takes to take our team forward.

I think Shaheen, Shadab and Babar won’t really cut it yet against the two above and Wahab.

But good to see this new Generation of Leaders.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the 17th over Imran Khan went for 24 runs. Instead of shouting and screaming at the bowler, Mohammad Rizwan smiled, gave him a pat on the back and encouraged his players. The sort of behaviour that inspires your team <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QGvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QGvMS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1488217403284676615?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Win toss or lose toss. Bat first or bowl first - just keep smiling, backing your team, supporting your players and winning <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QGvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QGvMS</a> <a href="https://t.co/OZYqj1fWtY">pic.twitter.com/OZYqj1fWtY</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1488216234386669576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Captain rizwan stays calm to win it against sarfrazs team. Should had been an easy win for sarfraz but rizwan used his bowling options well
 
Rizwan is such a likeable person. He is the sort of captain you want to play under. I can't say the same about Sarfraz.
 
I do not think Sarfaraz is a good captain. He yells too much. He can lower any player's self-esteem.

Rizwan seems like a calm guy. I expect him to be a much better captain.
 
Rizwan has a bit of Dhoni about him.

As for Sarfraz, the less said the better. "Sajda Kar" :facepalm:
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What are they doing out there <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QGvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QGvMS</a> <a href="https://t.co/kHDMvc6y3p">pic.twitter.com/kHDMvc6y3p</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1488249163456331786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Sarfraz is probably the worst thing that happened to Pakistan cricket.
Before his fans start slating me that he has won the CT in 2017. Pakistan would have won that tournament without his captaincy as well, the biggest star of that tournament from Pakistan was Hassan Ali.

Because of Sarfaraz Pakistan lost at least 2-3 quality years of Rizwan in the national team.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What are they doing out there <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QGvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QGvMS</a> <a href="https://t.co/kHDMvc6y3p">pic.twitter.com/kHDMvc6y3p</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1488249163456331786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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certain fans were saying rizwans leadership mentality was negative compared to sarfraz :))
 
Rizwan has a bit of Dhoni about him.

As for Sarfraz, the less said the better. "Sajda Kar" :facepalm:

The guy has a good on-field IQ and his tactics are decent as well, he won the CT and U19 WC so it speaks for his leadership quality, however it seems his upbringing and village mentality seems to have got the better of him, and it’s even worse late in his career.
 
Rizwan is one of the best cricketing minds in Pakistan currently period.
 
The guy has a good on-field IQ and his tactics are decent as well, he won the CT and U19 WC so it speaks for his leadership quality, however it seems his upbringing and village mentality seems to have got the better of him, and it’s even worse late in his career.

Nobody cares about U19 achievements & Sarfraz is not the reason Pakistan won the CT in 2017.
 
I feel for Sarfraz. Poor guy can't take pressure. Gets critizised heavily. His purple patch in test batting during Misbah's leadership was fun until it lasted.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was Mohammad Rizwan's reaction after one of his players dropped a very easy catch. What a man, what a leader <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IUvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IUvMS</a> <a href="https://t.co/SPdRuh9WJV">pic.twitter.com/SPdRuh9WJV</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1488578233268420610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Imran Tahir was asked about Rizwan’s leadership today and he was full of praise.MS team has jelled together very well that is why it is winning.
 
Imran Tahir was asked about Rizwan’s leadership today and he was full of praise.MS team has jelled together very well that is why it is winning.

One of the things he said was "Mohammad Rizwan is a very easy going guy, a wonderful human and a great captain. Everyone loves him in the team & we respect what he does & we follow his orders. It's really nice to play with him"
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shahnawaz Dahani "Whenever a tough situation arises for a bowler, Rizwan is the first to put an arm around the shoulder to ease the tension & never loses his cool. He backs his bowlers which is a great quality for any captain & something any bowler wants from their leader" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1489881341323796483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Sarfraz shown everyone how good of a captain he is and how well Dahani outfoxed Haider Ali.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan "Every captain gets angry sometimes. I do get angry but nobody notices. I get angry when the plan isn't followed and it hurts the team" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL2022</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MSvLQ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MSvLQ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1496562682400546823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2022</a></blockquote>
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