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Mohammad Salah's Christmas tweet

DeadlyVenom said:
One poster mentioned that those who don't celebrate Christmas haven't read the Quran.

You seem quite educated so I thought I would check with you if maybe I had missed something.
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Mawlid was not celebrated by Sahabas or the four Caliphs. It was also not a thing during the time of prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It started to become mainstream a few hundred years after Muhammad's (PBUH) death. In other words, it was added later on.

Mawlid is also not celebrated in KSA and Qatar as far as I know.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha because these two are explicitly mentioned in the Hadith. There is no mention of Mawlid in Quran or Hadith and earlier Sahabas or Caliphs didn't celebrate it.

Either way, we can always send our durood to Muhammad (PBUH) anytime we want. We don't need Mawlid for it.
 
James said:
Imo this is just an example of what I posted above eg “In a country like the UK, my perception has usually been that these kinds of greetings and wishes were simply examples of common social behaviour between people at a particular time of year” Imho it’s harmless.
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I agree, you’re a an informed chap generally but I wonder if others in our multi-cultural society are aware that while muslims enjoy the holidays, they don’t celebrate Xmas (for the most part), there are some though who live in rural areas or the countryside and isolated from everyone else so everything outside their bubble is alien to them
 
Again, celebrating Mawlid is not Fard or Wajeeb. Therefore, it is pointless to debate about it.

It depends on which madhab/preachers/scholars you follow. There seems to be scholarly difference of opinion regarding this.
 
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sweep_shot said:
Mawlid was not celebrated by Sahabas or the four Caliphs. It was also not a thing during the time of prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It started to become mainstream a few hundred years after Muhammad's (PBUH) death. In other words, it was added later on.

Mawlid is also not celebrated in KSA and Qatar as far as I know.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha because these two are explicitly mentioned in the Hadith. There is no mention of Mawlid in Quran or Hadith and earlier Sahabas or Caliphs didn't celebrate it.

Either way, we can always send our durood to Muhammad (PBUH) anytime we want. We don't need Mawlid for it.
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Each to their own really, but KSA is not the beacon for all muslims in terms of how you should conduct yourself, with the land being holy I think we forget the muslim nation is not exactly upstanding when it comes to upholding Islamic history and conducting themselves accordingly.

I think Mawlid is harmless although some may take it far, something like fasting to mark the birth of the greatest human being is not a bad thing. Many people have no issues celebrating birthdays in general regardless and they are more than compatible with the role of KSA when it comes to support for extremist ideologies and extremist nations, which is far more damaging for the Ummah around the world
 
Guys

Thread has now been derailed.

This is not the thread to discuss Mawlid etc

Stick to the original them about Salah and his tweets
 
At the end of the day wishing someone Merry Xmas is not the same as celebrating Xmas.

If Muslims want Islam to be respected, then Muslims must be respectful too. Salah's tweet is his way of showing respect to Xmas, and ultimately, Jesus [PBUH].
 
Technics 1210 said:
On a side point, I find it utterly hilarious that some users believe saying Merry Xmas is akin to celebrating Xmas!

This is extremism for you in a nutshell.
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Yes it is totally missing the point, and attributing bad intent by Salah when it's not meant that way at all.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Making a dumb point over and over again doesn't stop it being dumb.

Would you go to the church with your Christian wife and take part in her rituals if you were co habiting?

How about walk about a Christian cross on because the Chrstian wife wears it? Or enjoy a cheeky pork pie with her.
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What an absurd response. All you've done is come up with a classic strawman that doesn't have any connection to anything I've said.

A Muslim man doesn't have to go to Church nor does he need to wear a cross and consume pork just because he cohabits with a Christian wife.

However on Christmas day, is it reasonable to expect him to abandon his wife? i.e. the day of her celebration. The answer to this is yes if he happens to have the same judgemental mindset as yours.

So next time before you become outraged at Salah who's done more for the Ummah than those who vent their outrage of his Christmas celebrations on a forum, perhaps you should have the same energy for those Muslim males married to Christian women. In other words be consistent, don't bring your anti-Christmas agenda whenever it suits you best.
 
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James said:
Thanks KKWC

I am genuinely taken aback to read the views of some people on this topic. Don’t celebrate Christmas, 100% fine, but some of the opinions beyond that are a bit over the top imo.

What KKWC describes is essentially just being a decent person and having good manners, but it’s him getting flak for it :)

Like I posted above, where I work, Muslims regularly wish people a Happy Christmas and tbh all of the religious holidays are recognised in some way by the organisation, for example, most non-Muslim colleagues wish Muslims for example Eid Mubarak.

Shows how real life can be so different to the internet.
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Hope you and your family had a great Xmas James. :)

Islam isnt as hardline as some people claim. Not suggesting any poster on here but if you were to search for answers if Xmas is ok to celebrate the majority of results are from a certain type of ideology, a Saudi literal one which is not classical or traditional Islam.

Most Muslims living in the west have no issue with saying Merry Xmas, its just basic courtesy.
 
James said:
It’s a lovely gesture to be wished Happy Christmas from pretty much anyone, and Muslims would be included in this.

I always look forward to Mo Salah’s annual Christmas post.

I work with a lot of Muslims and they all wish me a good Christmas when we leave the office on Christmas Eve.
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As what [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] was alluding to - unfortunately in the UK, Wahabism (an extreme sect who consider themselves to be Muslims) have infiltrated many Mosques and the preaching scene (Dawah) in the UK. The UK government is aware of this but they do nothing because they make money from Saudi and Qatar, who are the only two Wahabi majority "Muslim" states.

Wishing someone Happy Christmas/Merry Christmas or giving gifts does not make a Muslim a deviant but unfortunately the Wahabis (followers of Wahabism) have told Muslims that this is not permitted because it equates to the greatest sin in Islam called "Shirk" (associating partners with God).

Now if we use our common sense, if I was say to you "Merry Christmas" or give you a gift for Xmas, have I committed shirk? The logical answer is no.

Research has shown that there is a direct correlation between Wahabism (also refer to themselves as Salafis) and extremism.

The bottom line is I would be wary of who you get your guidance on Islamic matters from because sadly many Muslims themselves do not understand how to apply the principles of Islam because they follow it blindly not logically.
 
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topspin said:
As what [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] was alluding to - unfortunately in the UK, Wahabism (an extreme sect who consider themselves to be Muslims) have infiltrated many Mosques and the preaching scene (Dawah) in the UK. The UK government is aware of this but they do nothing because they make money from Saudi and Qatar, who are the only two Wahabi majority "Muslim" states.

Wishing someone Happy Christmas/Merry Christmas or giving gifts does not make a Muslim a deviant but unfortunately the Wahabis (followers of Wahabism) have told Muslims that this is not permitted because it equates to the greatest sin in Islam called "Shirk" (associating partners with God).

Now if we use our common sense, if I was say to you "Merry Christmas" or give you a gift for Xmas, have I committed shirk? The logical answer is no.

Research has shown that there is a direct correlation between Wahabism (also refer to themselves as Salafis) and extremism.

The bottom line is I would be wary of who you get your guidance on Islamic matters from because sadly many Muslims themselves do not understand how to apply the principles of Islam because they follow it blindly not logically.
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Just one correction. There is a difference between salafism and wahabbism. Wahabbism is an extreme form of salafism.

All wahabbis are salafis but not all salafis are wahabbis. Wahabism is an extreme subset of salafism.

P.S. I am not a wahabbi and I denounce that ideology.
 
topspin said:
As what [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] was alluding to - unfortunately in the UK, Wahabism (an extreme sect who consider themselves to be Muslims) have infiltrated many Mosques and the preaching scene (Dawah) in the UK. The UK government is aware of this but they do nothing because they make money from Saudi and Qatar, who are the only two Wahabi majority "Muslim" states.
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You may not agree with their interpretations. But, calling them non-Muslims can be dangerous for your own salvation. See below:

Describing a Muslim by Kufr (disbelief) is a dangerous matter which should not be taken lightly.

The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: “If a man says to his Muslim brother: “O, Kafir! (Disbeliever)”, then one of the two will have Kufr drawn on him.” [Al-Bukhaari]

In another narration, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: “If a person says to his brother “O, Kaafir! (Disbeliever)”, then it is like killing him.”

This is clear evidence that describing a specific person with disbelief (Kufr) is not an easy matter as it can lead to bad consequences in this life and in the Hereafter.

In fact, the Muslim does not become a non-Muslim unless he says, or does, or believes in something that the Quran or the Sunnah considers major Kufr (disbelief). Besides, there should be conditions of Kufr and absence of impediments such as compulsion and the like. So, one should beware of describing a Muslim by Kufr.

Indeed, whether or not someone is Kaafir is determined only by Allah and his Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and not by the likes and inclinations of the people.

Allah knows best.
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Reference: https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/87963/calling-a-muslim-a-non-muslim.

Are you saying Qatar is not a Muslim state?
 
Technics 1210 said:
I am also in awe of how certain footballers like CR7, have an O-type blood group, which means they can donate to any blood group, but can only accept O group. As a result, no Tattoos, because anyone with a tattoo, cannot donate blood.
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I understand you still can after a 3-4 month deferral period from getting inked.
 
So some Muslim posters believe that Mo Salah did nothing wrong and have the scholars to back them and some Muslim posters think he did wrong and have scholars to back them. I guess one picks one side or the other based on whims and desire.
 
Abel Reames said:
So some Muslim posters believe that Mo Salah did nothing wrong and have the scholars to back them and some Muslim posters think he did wrong and have scholars to back them. I guess one picks one side or the other based on whims and desire.
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Or sometimes referred to as opinions.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Hope you and your family had a great Xmas James. :)

Islam isnt as hardline as some people claim. Not suggesting any poster on here but if you were to search for answers if Xmas is ok to celebrate the majority of results are from a certain type of ideology, a Saudi literal one which is not classical or traditional Islam.

Most Muslims living in the west have no issue with saying Merry Xmas, its just basic courtesy.
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Can you please enlighten us about the classical and traditional Islam? Where can we find it or what countries can we find it in?
 
Technics 1210 said:
12th Rabi' al-awwal is a national holiday in the majority of Muslim countries, including Pakistan.

Imagine that, Muslims must not celebrate birthdays, but Islamic nations get a day off on 12th Rabi' al-awwal!

This nonsense that 12th Rabi' al-awwal is not unanimous in the Islamic world is just that, nonsense, along with Muslims are not permitted to celebrate birthdays.

What a shocker! Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus [PBUH], and Muslims celebrate the birth of Mohammed [PBUH]!

Both are messengers of Allah!
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I believe most Muslims don’t celebrate the birthday of prophet Mohammed PBUH.
 
The_KING said:
Islam is the fastest growing religion, because majority of the Muslims are firm about their religion. Yes, we all sin , but at least we ain’t out here trying to change our religion.
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Agreed no sure why some Muslims think there is a need and here some are lecturing us how we are in the wrong.
 
Abel Reames said:
So some Muslim posters believe that Mo Salah did nothing wrong and have the scholars to back them and some Muslim posters think he did wrong and have scholars to back them. I guess one picks one side or the other based on whims and desire.
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You're sort of contradicting yourself by saying the belief may be based on which scholar they're following, then on other hand you're saying its based on whims and desires?

Of course, it could also be based on specific knowledge you have on the subject matter or it could be aunties filling your ears or that know it all uncle that you're desperately hoping not to visit frequently.
 
Wishing someone Happy Christmas isn't an issue but Salah is over the top with the tree, PJs etc

Besides, people saying that Salah has done a lot for Islam, Muslims is a bit over the top in my opinion. May be they are Liverpool fans.
 
Kroll said:
You're sort of contradicting yourself by saying the belief may be based on which scholar they're following, then on other hand you're saying its based on whims and desires?
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Individuals choose the scholar based on the one that alignes with their whims and desires. It is like selecting hadiths/verses in Quran which chime with worldview at that time and ignoring others. Tho I do see your point, my use of the word 'scholar' was problematic. I forget that there are people who follow individual scholars. Still how is that scholar chosen? The one that confirms there are own thoughts ( these thoughts are formulated by conditions outside one's controls) - I am cheekily using the term 'whims and desires' to mean thoughts.

Of course, it could also be based on specific knowledge you have on the subject matter or it could be aunties filling your ears or that know it all uncle that you're desperately hoping not to visit frequently.
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Specific knowledge - what if there is contradictory knowledge? For example evidence for and against Muslims wishing "Merry Christmas"? One would select the knowledge that feels right for them based on whims and desires.

I do not understand the reference to aunties and uncles.
 
Abel Reames said:
Next time I see the phrase 'whims and desires' being used on this forum, I will bring it to your attention and you will your answer.
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Only those that celebrate Christmas in the style of Mo Salah fall into the whims and desires camp. Let's be real here there is no mainstream religious opinion that allows this.

Their statements in this thread are basically different variations of 'lighten up' 'its my life' 'its not religious its secular' etc etc.

Those that don't celebrate christmas are doing it based on religious teachings that prohibit Muslims from celebrating.

There is a scholarly difference of opinion on the 'wishing' of merry christmas to christians. I suppose that may also fall into the whims desire camp but there is a bit of scholarly input here which people can use to make a decision.
 
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Why can’t people mind their own business. How does this affect your life.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
There is a scholarly difference of opinion on the 'wishing' of merry christmas to christians. I suppose that may also fall into the whims desire camp but there is a bit of scholarly input here which people can use to make a decision.
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Sounds like this a point which could be worth some further discussion.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Only those that celebrate Christmas in the style of Mo Salah fall into the whims and desires camp. Let's be real here there is no mainstream religious opinion that allows this.

Their statements in this thread are basically different variations of 'lighten up' 'its my life' 'its not religious its secular' etc etc.

Those that don't celebrate christmas are doing it based on religious teachings that prohibit Muslims from celebrating.

There is a scholarly difference of opinion on the 'wishing' of merry christmas to christians. I suppose that may also fall into the whims desire camp but there is a bit of scholarly input here which people can use to make a decision.
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A very good post. I needed someone else to point this out - because the poster that uses the phrase 'whims and desires'(Captain Rishwat take note) is KKWC. He accuses iirc athiests of following whims and desires and lo and behold he is doing the same.
 
Muslims, more than other religions, seem to have an obsession with what other people are doing and how other people are living their lives. Constantly piling in and expecting everyone to have the same world view and outlook as you. Another example of this is Hasan Ali posting holiday snaps with his wife and all these wannabe mullahs piling in with 'why isn't she wearing hijab' nonsense.

Just live your own life the way you want to. Don't judge others. You will not go to hell for the sins of other people so mind your own business and if you don't like what someone is doing or posting then go watch Zakir Naik videos and bore off.
 
Babeikh said:
Muslims, more than other religions, seem to have an obsession with what other people are doing and how other people are living their lives. Constantly piling in and expecting everyone to have the same world view and outlook as you. Another example of this is Hasan Ali posting holiday snaps with his wife and all these wannabe mullahs piling in with 'why isn't she wearing hijab' nonsense.

Just live your own life the way you want to. Don't judge others. You will not go to hell for the sins of other people so mind your own business and if you don't like what someone is doing or posting then go watch Zakir Naik videos and bore off.
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I agree with most of this but social media is toxic cesspit of dung. Famous people posting pics of their personal lives need to tread with caution as they are opening themselves for abuse such is the nature of of these platforms.

Loads of sad people and trolls on there just waiting for the opportunity.
 
And his Eid tweet

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ar" dir="rtl">عيد سعيد على الجميع وكل عام وأنتم بخير.</p>— Mohamed Salah (@MoSalah) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoSalah/status/1649363287341953025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Little less glamourous :)
 
So many Muslims embarrassing themselves on Twitter by attacking Salah about a Christmas tree while a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza and not showing anywhere near the same distain.
 
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