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Mohammad Wasim Jr for the ICC T20 World Cup (2021/22)? A risk or the right choice?

Amir Jamal won us a match at the death vs ENG singlehandedly, had one poor match and got dropped for an Umar Gul wannabe.

Liking and disliking selection policies got what it deserved.
 
Husnain would have been more handy on these pitches but Wasim was good too in this world cup. Personally, I would have gone with Husnain as our 4th seamer.
 
Wasim Jr is an average bowler on helpful surfaces. He's going to get smashed all over on batting wickets.

And is a pathetic batsman.
 
Just don't understand why he didn't bowl yorkers which are his strength? And when he did, got them wrong a couple of times.

All I can think is that team strategy was to bowl into the pitch. But then Wasim isn't that bowler.

Overall, a poor performance in a low scoring game.
 
I thought he and Naseem were the weak links in the bowling lineup. Naseem shocked me and is the future but Waseem is just mediocre.
 
Stokes smashed Ifti Chacha after which Pakistan needed some tight bowling but Waseem released all the pressure with the ball going for boundaries. His over sealed the chase for England.

More:, importantly he is very horrible with the bat. Keeps swinging and missing and wasting deliveries. Shaheen and Rauf often manage to smash the ball and run but this guy just doesnt know how to bat. Dont know why he gets promoted above other bowlers. Even Naseem can win matches with the Bat by hitting Sixes. But this man is completely hopeless.
 
He is an OK backup option but his numbers are not impressive. Since Jan 2021, he goes at an economy of 8.8 in all T20's.

Today was a par performance considering that. A team that depends heavily on its bowling strength to win matches cannot afford a weak link that.
 
Markhor said:
Amir Jamal won us a match at the death vs ENG singlehandedly, had one poor match and got dropped for an Umar Gul wannabe.

Liking and disliking selection policies got what it deserved.
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I guess it was too much of a risk taking Amir Jamal to WC on the back of just one performance.

Amir Jamal will defo get his chances.
 
Pakistan pick all rounders but most of the time those all rounders are just bowlers or batsmen.

It’s been 9 years (?) since Bang Bang Razzaq retired and we’ve yet to find a replacement for him.

A fast bowling all rounder is just as important as left arm pacer who can bring it back into the batsman. One gets prioritised and the other one is forgotten about.

Ifthikar shouldn’t be in the team if he’s just batting.

Nawaz shouldn’t be in the team if he’s not bowling.

Wasim shouldn’t be in the team if he can’t bat.
 
Really, people? Overall, he was pretty good in this WC and he is a solid bowler. Rough day today but that happens and the fault lies entirely on the woeful batting lineup. Wasn't an easy pitch to bat on either.

There's still FC games left & List A games happening after that so maybe this will give Wasim Jr. the opportunity to work on his batting skills. For all the criticisms regarding his batting, he has barely batted in domestic and is very young. This is what happens when you bring up players very young when they're still raw and not fully developed.

He is already a solid bowler for Pakistan and I think his batting will become decent over time too.
 
I was and am a big proponent of Hasnain over Waseem before the WC but I think Wasim performed decently. I would still pick the genuine pace and new ball skills of Hasnain over him but I think Waseem played the role he was asked of ; bowling yorkers at the death.

The objection I still have over his selection is based on 2 facts

1) He was selected on the premise of being an "allrounder", something that wasn't based on any stats and just a couple of outings where he managed to slog a couple of sixes. By the same token, Naseem and Shaheen should be labelled as all arounders too.

2) the ultimately low ceiling. Even at his potential best, he'll be a moderately useful T20 bowler who can bowl yorkers and change of pace. He bowls around 135-142, doesn't get a lot of bounce with his slingy action and has thus far displayed no noticeable skill to seam or swing the ball. I do not see him turning into a world class bowler in any way possible in the future.
 
Hasnain has the pace and gets bounce but he can be very expensive.He gets his lines and lengths wrong.He will be a dangerous customer if he learns to bowl in the right areas.Dahani has disappointed me.May be better suited to tests.Wasim jnr will get better.He has increased his pace already.Pak fans expect every fast bowler to become world class instantly.It doesn’t work like that.
 
Overall he had a decent tournament.

However you could see from ball 1 of his spell today that England had earmarked him as a bowler they could target.

That's called proper planning and preparation.
 
Won’t sit here and criticise our world class bowling. The batters failed them.
 
He bowled decently enough as a 4th seamer

However he shouldnt play in the team to bat at 8, need someone much more capable with the bat than him
 
I told you all multiple times that this would happen. But no, keep chugging down your stat spread sheets.

Awful, awful bowling last night and anyone who has played at least club cricket before could see this coming a mile away.

There is zero venom in his bowling. He’s been insanely, and I mean INSANELY lucky for the last month or so. Due to the pressure generated by the other bowlers, batsmen are afraid to go after him. I’ve seen leg stump half volleys after leg stump half volleys go to waste by batsmen from NZ in the Tri series and WC, BD in the Tri series and WC all because of the pressure mounted by Shaheen, Naseem, Haris and Shadab.

Not to be yesterday when he got targeted finally and he had no response because he has very limited skill.

He bowls 5 full tosses for every Yorker, loves straying to the legside. A nothing bowler. Have always maintained that.

Sam Curran has more variations than this guy who only knows how to bowl 4 leg stump full tosses + a Yorker now and again.

Hasnain should’ve played. Waseem is not better IQ wise, and Hasnain is a genuine wicket taker despite being a risk for runs. Aamer Jamal also should’ve been selected over this guy because he actually HAS batting performances at the domestic level required by an allrounder + defended runs off the last over Vs a firing England with far more accurate Yorkers, and unfortunately Babar had zero foresight and dropped him after another game.
 
I think he is a good t20 bowler but in todays day and age we can not play 4 bowlers who cant bat. Haris , shaheen ,naseem and wasim. All good bolwers but makes the batting weaker. Pakistan needs to bat deep and also allow the top order to be agressive.
 
Even his selection was not down to his performances. He got selected merely because Hasnain got sick, and since then he’s been doing “just enough” to stay in the team.

Just enough doesn’t cut it to be a part of a world class pace attack.

Every single pacer looked like they would take a wicket last night. Every single one of them. Naseem, Haris, Shaheen, even the English allrounders. Except him.

This guy looked completely docile and unthreatening on a green pitch. Nuff Said.
 
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Not sure he is an all-rounder and someone who should be batting at number 8.

Yes he can hit the occasional 4 or 6 but he's nowhere near good enough to bat at 8 as yet.
 
What is shocking to me is that all of us figured out right away that he is a fake all rounder. A tailender who just can't connect, but Yousuf, Hayden, Saqi, and Babar never changed his number and always sent him ahead of Shaheen, Rauf and Naseem. Shaheen is a thousand times better batsman than Wasim and has batted extremely well not only at the PSL level, but also at an international level. Naseem was unbelievable against Afghanistan. Rauf can also bat better than Wasim, but our mgmt is just in love with Wasim Jr.

I have no issues with his bowling as he has improved day by day and has potential to become a very decent all format bowler, but he must work on his batting as we are looking for a solid all rounder at his position. May be go back to Faheem Ashraf? I don't know.
 
Suleiman said:
Even his selection was not down to his performances. He got selected merely because Hasnain got sick, and since then he’s been doing “just enough” to stay in the team.

Just enough doesn’t cut it to be a part of a world class pace attack.

Every single pacer looked like they would take a wicket last night. Every single one of them. Naseem, Haris, Shaheen, even the English allrounders. Except him.

This guy looked completely docile and unthreatening on a green pitch. Nuff Said.
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Pretty hilarious to say he hasn't been selected on his performances. It's like people just like to make up random stuff when a player has a bad game.

Hasnain career T20I - 27 matches, 25 wickets, 34.12 AVG, 24.2 strike rate, 8.44 economy
Wasim Jr career T20I - 26 matches, 34 wickets, 19.97 AVG, 14.5 strike rate, 8.26 economy

I wonder which one is better...

Oh and he has also been way better than Hasnain at ODI's too. People seem to have clearly lost their minds about him with the "allrounder" tag. If he came up as simply a bowler, maybe people wouldn't but there needs to be an understanding that if you are going to criticize a player for not batting well, then actually criticize PCB & the selection committee because he has hardly batted in domestic and is 20 years old. I am not sure what 20 year old allrounder is out there in the world that is excelling with both bat & ball. He's certainly doing well with the ball and the bat leaves much to be desired but that's because he hasn't been given enough time in his development to meet his potential with the bat.

It's also quite harsh taking a crap on your #8 batter for doing poorly when it's in tough Australian conditions where he has probably never played before this WC and when most of the Pakistan struggled to bat. Heck, even England didn't bat all that well either.
 
Nasty Naz said:
Pretty hilarious to say he hasn't been selected on his performances. It's like people just like to make up random stuff when a player has a bad game.

Hasnain career T20I - 27 matches, 25 wickets, 34.12 AVG, 24.2 strike rate, 8.44 economy
Wasim Jr career T20I - 26 matches, 34 wickets, 19.97 AVG, 14.5 strike rate, 8.26 economy

I wonder which one is better...

Oh and he has also been way better than Hasnain at ODI's too. People seem to have clearly lost their minds about him with the "allrounder" tag. If he came up as simply a bowler, maybe people wouldn't but there needs to be an understanding that if you are going to criticize a player for not batting well, then actually criticize PCB & the selection committee because he has hardly batted in domestic and is 20 years old. I am not sure what 20 year old allrounder is out there in the world that is excelling with both bat & ball. He's certainly doing well with the ball and the bat leaves much to be desired but that's because he hasn't been given enough time in his development to meet his potential with the bat.

It's also quite harsh taking a crap on your #8 batter for doing poorly when it's in tough Australian conditions where he has probably never played before this WC and when most of the Pakistan struggled to bat. Heck, even England didn't bat all that well either.
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It’s evident which of Hasnain and Waseem has a higher ceiling when you actually watch them play and aren’t living in stats land alone. They’re both young, but if you take your eyes off the stats alone and just watch them play, it’s incredibly obvious Hasnain has more skill.

At the end of the day stats couldn’t save your guy when he was bowling full toss after full toss yesterday and got smacked around a bowler friendly pitch where even the likes of Stokes and Sam Curran got a lot out of it.

And I’ve been against playing Waseem even before this game. I know it stings to have your reality of stats without context be torn to shreds by an actual failure on the field.
 
he has alot of hit me balls, need to work on it as for batting he is obviously a complete noob
 
Wasim Jr has a very predictable action which makes his line, length predictable. He is mostly good for bowling full yorkers. His bowling is very raw and under developed.
 
Suleiman said:
It’s evident which of Hasnain and Waseem has a higher ceiling when you actually watch them play and aren’t living in stats land alone. They’re both young, but if you take your eyes off the stats alone and just watch them play, it’s incredibly obvious Hasnain has more skill.

At the end of the day stats couldn’t save your guy when he was bowling full toss after full toss yesterday and got smacked around a bowler friendly pitch where even the likes of Stokes and Sam Curran got a lot out of it.

And I’ve been against playing Waseem even before this game. I know it stings to have your reality of stats without context be torn to shreds by an actual failure on the field.
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Higher ceiling based on what exactly? Slightly more pace? With Hasnain action & run up he doesn't even look as pacey as he should. There's not much deception there. Wasim Jr. is quite good with yorkers and the arm angle helps him get some reserve swinging yorkers going too. When you're not at your best, those yorkers end up becoming full tosses or half volleys though.

Maybe people are having brain amnesia with the amount of times Hasnain has gotten absolutely demolished while having zero control over line & length and even got taken to the cleaners by the likes of Liam Dawson.

Certainly a bowler with plenty of potential, especially with the new ball which is his best skill. And also something that isn't going to be used when Shaheen & Naseem are bowling with the new ball.
 
Nasty Naz said:
Higher ceiling based on what exactly? Slightly more pace? With Hasnain action & run up he doesn't even look as pacey as he should. There's not much deception there. Wasim Jr. is quite good with yorkers and the arm angle helps him get some reserve swinging yorkers going too. When you're not at your best, those yorkers end up becoming full tosses or half volleys though.

Maybe people are having brain amnesia with the amount of times Hasnain has gotten absolutely demolished while having zero control over line & length and even got taken to the cleaners by the likes of Liam Dawson.

Certainly a bowler with plenty of potential, especially with the new ball which is his best skill. And also something that isn't going to be used when Shaheen & Naseem are bowling with the new ball.
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Hasnain gets good bounce though. He would have been a handful on the MCG wicket. Wasim Jr is only good for bowling yorkers at the death but his bouncers are not as effective. Wasim Jr's ineffectiveness is a major reason behind our loss.
 
He doesn't preserve the pressure generated by others bowlers. Shaheen, Rauf and even Naseem keep it tight bowl many dots, create problems for the batsmen and often the hard work done by other bowlers is wasted after Wasim releases the pressure. Every opposition team plans to target him among all the Pakistani bowlers. Less said the better about his batting, probably he worst batsman in the Team but for some reason gets promoted above all the other bowlers like Share , Naseem, Rauf who can bat better.
 
Suleiman said:
I told you all multiple times that this would happen. But no, keep chugging down your stat spread sheets.

Awful, awful bowling last night and anyone who has played at least club cricket before could see this coming a mile away.

There is zero venom in his bowling. He’s been insanely, and I mean INSANELY lucky for the last month or so. Due to the pressure generated by the other bowlers, batsmen are afraid to go after him. I’ve seen leg stump half volleys after leg stump half volleys go to waste by batsmen from NZ in the Tri series and WC, BD in the Tri series and WC all because of the pressure mounted by Shaheen, Naseem, Haris and Shadab.

Not to be yesterday when he got targeted finally and he had no response because he has very limited skill.

He bowls 5 full tosses for every Yorker, loves straying to the legside. A nothing bowler. Have always maintained that.

Sam Curran has more variations than this guy who only knows how to bowl 4 leg stump full tosses + a Yorker now and again.

Hasnain should’ve played. Waseem is not better IQ wise, and Hasnain is a genuine wicket taker despite being a risk for runs. Aamer Jamal also should’ve been selected over this guy because he actually HAS batting performances at the domestic level required by an allrounder + defended runs off the last over Vs a firing England with far more accurate Yorkers, and unfortunately Babar had zero foresight and dropped him after another game.
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You haven’t played club cricket. Stop kidding yourself.

Wasim bowled well throughout this World Cup, phenomenal 4th bowler support. Unfortunately his batting was more miss than hit and he needs to improve on that a lot.
 
Usman Chadda said:
You haven’t played club cricket. Stop kidding yourself.

Wasim bowled well throughout this World Cup, phenomenal 4th bowler support. Unfortunately his batting was more miss than hit and he needs to improve on that a lot.
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Keep coping.
 
He is definitely one for the future, very intelligent bowler who gives all even when the match is over

Can swing both ways at good speed and bowl yorkers at the death , his fielding is also good. He can swing his bat hard but definition an all rounder , should be valued as Umar gul at best.

He is a new ball bowler , the 4 quicks + 2 in the dugout Hasnain and Dahani are also good , would like to add Sameen Gul into the setup … all of them are young , if managed well , Pakistan pace battery will bring laurels to the team in the long run.

No complaints on the bowling department , they are the best in the tourney.

Pak batting needs to be fixed , both top order and the middle order

Fakhar needs to open , Haris can take the gloves going forward ,if Rizwan can only dance, jump and dive at best in places like SENA
 
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Savak said:
Hasnain gets good bounce though. He would have been a handful on the MCG wicket. Wasim Jr is only good for bowling yorkers at the death but his bouncers are not as effective. Wasim Jr's ineffectiveness is a major reason behind our loss.
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Pretty sure the major reason behind the loss is the garbage batting.
 
Wasim Jnr bowled well throwout the tournaments but his batting was that off a number 9.
 
shamaan said:
Wasim Jnr bowled well throwout the tournaments but his batting was that off a number 9.
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Number 9 is generous Even jacks these days bat better than he has done so far in his career
 
Even in the Subcontinent wickets, Wasim Jr is a leg side hack.
 
Zaz said:
Number 9 is generous Even jacks these days bat better than he has done so far in his career
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He was really poor throwout the world cup and looked like he's never held a bat in his life.
 
Babar exposed again. Jamal not being selected in the squad cost us the final and the India game.
 
His bowling was good for the most part, but I was very disappointed to see how he batted, really needs to work on that aspect of the game, he can just come in a waste 5-6 deliveries by swinging blindly and missing.
 
Waseem jnr will become good.Pak fans have no patience.They wrote off Rauf and Naseem but both of them have improved by leaks and bounds.Hasnain and Dahani will also be good.Fast bowlers peak when they are around 25.A good bowling coach/mentor can help these bowlers to correct minor flaws in their run ups and delivery strides.
 
His action will always bring inconsistencies. He did better than I thought he would but he did exactly what I thought would happen at the crucial stage in the over that Moeen Ali and Stokes took him to the cleaners. He needs to work hard on his action and try to understand it.
 
Waseem jnr will become good.Pak fans have no patience.They wrote off Rauf and Naseem but both of them have improved by leaks and bounds.Hasnain and Dahani will also be good.Fast bowlers peak when they are around 25.A good bowling coach/mentor can help these bowlers to correct minor flaws in their run ups and delivery strides.
 
I was vouching for him ahead of Naseem for WC, but Naseem shut me up with those wonderful 2 overs and Wasim ain't Umar Gul either. Wasim is not an all-rounder, so he should be judged purely on bowling merit.
 
He's not a number 8 in any format.

He has a lot of work to do on his batting in terms of approach, hitting capability and technique.
 
Most average player to play for Pakistan since Fawad Alam and Abdur Rauf. Cost us 2 matches including the final with his Air shots
 
As I have said he’s a average cricketer at best. The drama of him being an all rounder seems to have finally caught on to posters. He’s nothing more then a no 10.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Babar exposed again. Jamal not being selected in the squad cost us the final and the India game.
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Babar is not the only one exposed then.
About 99.9% of cricket fans are exposed. Because no-one knows or would select Jamal so far.
You are one of very few people who know cricket.
 
The problem is we see someone hit a couple of 6s in the PSL and we suddenly rate them as an all-rounder. It's sheer desperation to find an all-rounder.
 
What's happened to his batting? He was never Sachin Tendulkar but he looked to be a promising lower order batter, now he looks like the batting reincarnation of Devon Malcolm. Absolutely awful
 
Saj said:
The problem is we see someone hit a couple of 6s in the PSL and we suddenly rate them as an all-rounder. It's sheer desperation to find an all-rounder.
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Yes also we have mishandled Faheem terribly. Best option we have had since Razzaq.
 
Saj said:
The problem is we see someone hit a couple of 6s in the PSL and we suddenly rate them as an all-rounder. It's sheer desperation to find an all-rounder.
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Yes. T20 allrounders are p much good enough to be in the team with the bat. Look at Pandya and Stokes, they can be in the team purely as batsmen or bowlers. Ofc, these guys are the top 1% allrounders in the world, but I’m saying that’s the standard we should strive to aim for.

Not this nonsense of putting the label of Allrounder on someone who closes his eyes and swings for the hills and doesn’t connect at the intl level.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes also we have mishandled Faheem terribly. Best option we have had since Razzaq.
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Faheem has lost his pace.We need someone who can bowl at avg pace if 135 and bat.Waseem was not selected as an allrounder.There were not many options available.Hasan Ali is too expensive,Dahani is raw and Hasnain leaks runs by bowling one or two very poor overs.I have high hopes for Hasnain.If he learns to bowl good line and length and avoids no balls then he can trouble batsmen with pace and bounce.
 
Suleiman said:
Yes. T20 allrounders are p much good enough to be in the team with the bat. Look at Pandya and Stokes, they can be in the team purely as batsmen or bowlers. Ofc, these guys are the top 1% allrounders in the world, but I’m saying that’s the standard we should strive to aim for.

Not this nonsense of putting the label of Allrounder on someone who closes his eyes and swings for the hills and doesn’t connect at the intl level.
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Don't think as bowlers they would. As batsmen yes.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes also we have mishandled Faheem terribly. Best option we have had since Razzaq.
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There are other options as well i.e. Aamir Yameen, Amad Butt, Ahmad Jamal. It is unfair that Faheem got the nod and so many opportunities over Yameen, Amad Butt has not even been given a look in.
 
Savak said:
There are other options as well i.e. Aamir Yameen, Amad Butt, Ahmad Jamal. It is unfair that Faheem got the nod and so many opportunities over Yameen, Amad Butt has not even been given a look in.
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I believe they both bowl too slow from memory.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes also we have mishandled Faheem terribly. Best option we have had since Razzaq.
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How was he mishandled? He was literally a regular on both T20 & ODI teams and his bat simply never arrived. Bowling declined as Pakistan shifted away from UAE too.
 
Plastic all rounder. His bowling is mediocre and he wouldnt make it into side on merit just as a bowler, his batting is non existent. But PCB selectors classify the guy as an all rounder.
 
I rate this kid very lightly.

Nice action and decent pace.
Also a gun fielder.

On dry wickets he can get it it reverse too...

The riling is high and he'll only get better the more he bowls.
 
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