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Mohammed Rizwan vs Kamran Akmal - Who gets into a Pakistani ATG T20I?

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Inspired by a thread I saw on PP, I believe it is fair to say, these two players are the best keeper batsman Pakistan have ever had in T20 internationals.

Who would you pick in your all time best T20I XI between these two and why?

Kamran was very destructive in the power play especially and his fumbles were somewhat limited in T20’s as he didn’t need to concentrate for long periods compared to Tests and ODI’s. He lacked consistency however and rarely played to the end.

Riswan has been very prolific at the top of the order for Pakistan and is a very strong guy mentally. He has scored runs very consistently in varied circumstances. While his S/R has often seen some criticism, he has been a part of some record breaking run chases and partnerships, he often looks to play till the end and at times the team may suffer when he fails due to his approach. When it comes to his keeping it is generally outstanding, arguably the best the country has ever produced.
 
Kamran Akmal

He would play the number 6/7 role if he can’t open the innings

Rizwan is a liability and can’t play anywhere else but open
 
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Kamran Akmal

He would play the number 6/7 role if he can’t open the innings

Rizwan is a liability and can’t play anywhere else but open

With this comparison I should have said we are mainly considering the two in the opening position which is their strength
 
Kamran Akmal

He would play the number 6/7 role if he can’t open the innings

Rizwan is a liability and can’t play anywhere else but open

Also, would Kamran Akmal be selected at 6/7 if he is unable to open in your best XI?
 
The Akmals aren’t great or likeable people

But there is no denying, they are classy batsman and delightful to watch when they were on song!

I loved the Hafeez/Kamran opening combination in the 2011 World Cup.
 
The Akmals aren’t great or likeable people

But there is no denying, they are classy batsman and delightful to watch when they were on song!

I loved the Hafeez/Kamran opening combination in the 2011 World Cup.

Personally if I am picking Kamran, I would never play him at 6/7.

Yeah, he was pretty destructive on his day Kamran and arguably, a better servant then his brother
 
Also, would Kamran Akmal be selected at 6/7 if he is unable to open in your best XI?

I will not hesitate to have Kamran bat at 6 or 7 knowing he can hit big at the end if needed, and all around the wicket too.

I don’t expect anything from Rizwan at 6 or 7, and I don’t want him as my opener.

“Agar woh meri team combination main nahi aata tou nahi aata”

Golden words. They are 100% accurate. Look at how Pakistan team is destroyed just so this one player can be made useful!
 
Personally if I am picking Kamran, I would never play him at 6/7.

Yeah, he was pretty destructive on his day Kamran and arguably, a better servant then his brother
Rizwan tips him as a keeper/Batter opener from what I remember.

But that’s why I don’t want to open with any of them and would rather have two out and out T20 openers

Nazir and Sharjeel khan for me.
 
I will not hesitate to have Kamran bat at 6 or 7 knowing he can hit big at the end if needed, and all around the wicket too.

I don’t expect anything from Rizwan at 6 or 7, and I don’t want him as my opener.

“Agar woh meri team combination main nahi aata tou nahi aata”

Golden words. They are 100% accurate. Look at how Pakistan team is destroyed just so this one player can be made useful!

6/7 I wouldn’t think that position is suited for him, it would be a case of accommodating him down the lower order

With both players, I can only pick them as openers.

Who would you have open between Riswan and Kamran / why ?

Am a fan of both in T20’s btw
 
Rizwan tips him as a keeper/Batter opener from what I remember.

But that’s why I don’t want to open with any of them and would rather have two out and out T20 openers

Nazir and Sharjeel khan for me.

Come on bro the Rattle Manj has done nothing, Nazir is an interesting pick, he lacked consistency but this era maybe better suited to him and he had a strong game through the covers, he had poor feet however and relied heavily on hand eye coordination
 
Inspired by a thread I saw on PP, I believe it is fair to say, these two players are the best keeper batsman Pakistan have ever had in T20 internationals.

Who would you pick in your all time best T20I XI between these two and why?

Kamran was very destructive in the power play especially and his fumbles were somewhat limited in T20’s as he didn’t need to concentrate for long periods compared to Tests and ODI’s. He lacked consistency however and rarely played to the end.

Riswan has been very prolific at the top of the order for Pakistan and is a very strong guy mentally. He has scored runs very consistently in varied circumstances. While his S/R has often seen some criticism, he has been a part of some record breaking run chases and partnerships, he often looks to play till the end and at times the team may suffer when he fails due to his approach. When it comes to his keeping it is generally outstanding, arguably the best the country has ever produced.

That's a myth.

Kamran has a mighty SR of 119 and avgs 20, inspite of opening and batting in PP for most of his career....which is supposedly the easiest job in T20 according to most here.

In comparison, Rizwan has a SR of around 129 and avgs 52.

And we haven't even considered the difference between their keeping standards yet.
 
6/7 I wouldn’t think that position is suited for him, it would be a case of accommodating him down the lower order

With both players, I can only pick them as openers.

Who would you have open between Riswan and Kamran / why ?

Am a fan of both in T20’s btw

The level of T20i a lot of these oldies have played is different to the T20i we see today

Pakistan were not playing second string T20 attacks when Kamran, Afridi and Umar were regular fixtures in the side. IPL had not fully overtaken international cricket and players where mostly available for international duty. Bilateral cricket from now isn’t a fair indicator when comparing with players of the past who had to play it at a totally different intensity level

Rizwan was terrible and couldn’t get into the Pakistan side around that time. Kamran trumps him in quality and ability for sure. Rizwan is a high class keeper and athlete tbf
 
The Akmals aren’t great or likeable people

But there is no denying, they are classy batsman and delightful to watch when they were on song!

I loved the Hafeez/Kamran opening combination in the 2011 World Cup.

Hahaha no denying.

Kamraan is the worst batsman to ever play for Pakistan consistently in their history. Name one batsman who played as many games.

‘Rankings and stats don’t matter so it’s rizwan’.
 
I think a proper comparison would be Rana Naved vs Kamraan Akmal. They were similar calibre batsmen but Kami was given hundreds of games and Naved was slightly better in his second skill.
 
That's a myth.

Kamran has a mighty SR of 119 and avgs 20, inspite of opening and batting in PP for most of his career....which is supposedly the easiest job in T20 according to most here.

In comparison, Rizwan has a SR of around 129 and avgs 52.

And we haven't even considered the difference between their keeping standards yet.

Kamraan played HUNDREDS of international games uninterrupted and yet averages barely in the 20s. Yet people claim it’s all about the era. Absolute joke.

Forget Malik and Hafeez, the likes of Farhat and Faisal Iqbal were more deserving than Kami.
 
The level of T20i a lot of these oldies have played is different to the T20i we see today

Pakistan were not playing second string T20 attacks when Kamran, Afridi and Umar were regular fixtures in the side. IPL had not fully overtaken international cricket and players where mostly available for international duty. Bilateral cricket from now isn’t a fair indicator when comparing with players of the past who had to play it at a totally different intensity level

Rizwan was terrible and couldn’t get into the Pakistan side around that time. Kamran trumps him in quality and ability for sure. Rizwan is a high class keeper and athlete tbf

Riswan hadn’t peaked during that time, he is better cricketer now and much improved compared to the past.

I would agree Kamran faced some seriously good bowling attacks during that period in challenging conditions
 
Riswan hadn’t peaked during that time, he is better cricketer now and much improved compared to the past.

I would agree Kamran faced some seriously good bowling attacks during that period in challenging conditions

It’s not about peaking

It’s all about putting it on a platter for Rizwan. Misbah paved the way for him, and now it’s haunting Pakistan.
 
That's a myth.

Kamran has a mighty SR of 119 and avgs 20, inspite of opening and batting in PP for most of his career....which is supposedly the easiest job in T20 according to most here.

In comparison, Rizwan has a SR of around 129 and avgs 52.

And we haven't even considered the difference between their keeping standards yet.

Kamran’s numbers I agree are not great and as I said he lacked consistency. And while he rarely played to the end, he was capable of getting Pakistan off to a good start and had a great World Cup in 2009. His numbers will never be flattering overall and he played against some strong bowling attacks in difficult conditions.

I am not saying one is superior to the other, but each bring different skills to the table for the opening position as keepers
 
It’s not about peaking

It’s all about putting it on a platter for Rizwan. Misbah paved the way for him, and now it’s haunting Pakistan.

Wouldn’t you agree he is a better cricketer now though? I am comparing both at their best
 
Come on bro the Rattle Manj has done nothing, Nazir is an interesting pick, he lacked consistency but this era maybe better suited to him and he had a strong game through the covers, he had poor feet however and relied heavily on hand eye coordination

The witch king of Korma has a style of play and aggression that I like and need from my opener. He and Imran Nazir are perfect for opening especially on overseas tours and against good fast bowling
 
Wouldn’t you agree he is a better cricketer now though? I am comparing both at their best

Of course he is. But the same treatment should be afforded to others who are failing like he was

Why can’t Khushdil and Asif Ali be allowed to find themselves the way he afforded so much time?
 
If I’ve never seen Kamran bat, the first thing I’d do is look up his numbers to and I agree they are not flattering but he was capable of getting the team off to a flyer and was involved in some good partnerships at the top.

I think the comparison is fairly close, I lean a bit towards Ris also due to his keeping/consistency but am still on the fence
 
Of course he is. But the same treatment should be afforded to others who are failing like he was

Why can’t Khushdil and Asif Ali be allowed to find themselves the way he afforded so much time?

He has delivered consistently, worked hard behind the scenes and really had a short period to prove himself given the label of him being a Test/ODI player; remember how everyone was against him in that NZ series? it was make or break.

With Kushdil and Ali, have you seen any improvement in their style of play or approach? their task has been down the order and those are their preferred slots/roles. I like Asif Ali btw and maybe fans don’t support him as much am not sure but the team supports him, Asif is going to the World Cup again, he has received plenty of opportunities and has been afforded a longer rope then most. Despite his average, I think very few can hit out at the death like Asif
 
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The witch king of Korma has a style of play and aggression that I like and need from my opener. He and Imran Nazir are perfect for opening especially on overseas tours and against good fast bowling

Hahaha, when did Imran Nazir scored on overseas tours against good fast bowling?! He scored mostly against zimbabwe and bangladesh.
Imran nazir was terrible, thats the reason they havent let him play that much. He got so many chances and always bottled it.

Kamran Akmal was equally terrible, was just blistering once in 2 years, and besides that he dropped catches for fun. If he also faces good bowling in that days, then how are his numbers terrible comparing to some other players of other teams. Did other teams not face the same bowlers?

Rizwan is better overall.

Man you need to watch tapeball cricket or something cause seriously I am starting to doubt about your cricketing knowledge.
 
General batting comparison

Pull- Kamran
Cut- Kamran
Drive- Kamran
Lofted shots- Kamran
Attacking spin- Kamran
Quick singles- Rizwan
Attacking intent- Kamran
 
Rizwan without a doubt. Kamran did have some very good knocks scattered in his T20I career, but was also extremely inconsistent and one of the worst wicketkeepers of all time. Plus we all know about his moral character.
 
General batting comparison

Pull- Kamran
Cut- Kamran
Drive- Kamran
Lofted shots- Kamran
Attacking spin- Kamran
Quick singles- Rizwan
Attacking intent- Kamran

Yeah ofcourse, and Still Kamran had a strike rate of 119? 😂
 
Rizwan without a doubt. Kamran did have some very good knocks scattered in his T20I career, but was also extremely inconsistent and one of the worst wicketkeepers of all time. Plus we all know about his moral character.

He was consistent when it mattered most for us and got us the runs in the final of 2009

Overall he has achieved leaps and bounds over Rizwan as a white ball cricketer

2007 runners up medal
2009 champions medal
2010 semi final

Rizwan has only done one semi final in his career
 
Kamran’s numbers I agree are not great and as I said he lacked consistency. And while he rarely played to the end, he was capable of getting Pakistan off to a good start and had a great World Cup in 2009. His numbers will never be flattering overall and he played against some strong bowling attacks in difficult conditions.

I am not saying one is superior to the other, but each bring different skills to the table for the opening position as keepers

I don't hate Kamran....his ATG knock in that Karachi test is stuff of legends and he has had his moments in other wins as well.

But, Rizwan trumps him as a WK/batter.

Kamran's issue has always been his inconsistency, he will have one good game followed by 6 awful inngs.

He had a good T20 WC in 2009 but was horrendous in every other WC post that.

That's just not good enough.

Rizwan has his own limitations but he has displayed immense grit and already played some clutch knocks to win games.

He has been one of the best T20 batsman in the world in last 2 yrs....avg 60+ at 137 SR.
And it's not that Rizwan has only feasted on bilaterals, he had a great T20 WC last year.

He may not be as thrilling to watch and he has had his failures but they have been far and few as compared to someone like Kamran Akmal.


Tbh, I'd prefer Umar Akmal as the WK/bat over Kamran in T20s.
 
I don't hate Kamran....his ATG knock in that Karachi test is stuff of legends and he has had his moments in other wins as well.

But, Rizwan trumps him as a WK/batter.

Kamran's issue has always been his inconsistency, he will have one good game followed by 6 awful inngs.

He had a good T20 WC in 2009 but was horrendous in every other WC post that.

That's just not good enough.

Rizwan has his own limitations but he has displayed immense grit and already played some clutch knocks to win games.

He has been one of the best T20 batsman in the world in last 2 yrs....avg 60+ at 137 SR.
And it's not that Rizwan has only feasted on bilaterals, he had a great T20 WC last year.

He may not be as thrilling to watch and he has had his failures but they have been far and few as compared to someone like Kamran Akmal.


Tbh, I'd prefer Umar Akmal as the WK/bat over Kamran in T20s.

Good post, with grit and mental fortitude I think Riswan trumps a lot of players including Kamran and we have seen he is capable of being clutch

Kamran I agree was very inconsistent but played some gems throughout his career and 09 was great for him including behind the stumps, do you feel he’d fair better against the attacks of today in a modern set up at his best?
 
He was consistent when it mattered most for us and got us the runs in the final of 2009

Overall he has achieved leaps and bounds over Rizwan as a white ball cricketer

2007 runners up medal
2009 champions medal
2010 semi final

Rizwan has only done one semi final in his career

As a keeper batter, Kami is a Pakistani ATG in T20’s. Yes, not as much competition until now though
 
Post sensibly or dont post in this thread.
 
T20I Stats:

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[td][/td]
[td]Matches[/td]
[td]Runs[/td]
[td]Average[/td]
[td]Strike Rate[/td]
[td]6s[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Kamran Akmal[/td]
[td]58[/td]
[td]987[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]119[/td]
[td]31[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Mohammad Rizwan[/td]
[td]68[/td]
[td]2,257[/td]
[td]52.53[/td]
[td]128[/td]
[td]64[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

With all due respect to Kamran Akmal he is not even half good when compared to Rizwan in any metric. If we look at other aspects such as work ethic, athleticism, fitness, tactical nous and other non stat areas then Kamran is even less than half the player Rizwan is.

There is a poster who hates Rizwan to the core so I added another stat to the table above which is total number of 6s being hit by each batsmen. As we can see on here Rizwan has comfortably hit 1 six per game whilst Kamran has struggled to even match that stat. There is not even one metric that shows Kamran is even half as good as Rizwan.
 
Simply because of consistency it will be Rizwan for me. Kamran Akmal on his day could be a match winner (although he did that more with his PSL franchise than the international team) but dare I say Kamran Akmal has also lost Pakistan matches single handed with his keeping.
 
Kamran was a better batsman than what his numbers suggest, he has played some extraordinary knocks across formats. Totally wasted his talent.

Rizwan on the other hand has punched above his weight. In spite of being severely limited in terms of his scoring areas, he has produced incredible numbers.

At no point in his career did Kamran get anywhere near Rizwan in terms of consistency, so there is no comparison between the two. Rizwan all the way.
 
Kamran was a better batsman than what his numbers suggest, he has played some extraordinary knocks across formats. Totally wasted his talent.

Rizwan on the other hand has punched above his weight. In spite of being severely limited in terms of his scoring areas, he has produced incredible numbers.

At no point in his career did Kamran get anywhere near Rizwan in terms of consistency, so there is no comparison between the two. Rizwan all the way.

Kamran did have a decent run as an ODI opener after the 2010 fixing scandal. He scored runs consistently in the ODI series v England and continued working well with Hafeez as an opener until the 2011 semi final knockout

That was ODI though but it was a great period for him
 
T20I Stats:

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[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Matches[/td]
[td]Runs[/td]
[td]Average[/td]
[td]Strike Rate[/td]
[td]6s[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Kamran Akmal[/td]
[td]58[/td]
[td]987[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]119[/td]
[td]31[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Mohammad Rizwan[/td]
[td]68[/td]
[td]2,257[/td]
[td]52.53[/td]
[td]128[/td]
[td]64[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

With all due respect to Kamran Akmal he is not even half good when compared to Rizwan in any metric. If we look at other aspects such as work ethic, athleticism, fitness, tactical nous and other non stat areas then Kamran is even less than half the player Rizwan is.

There is a poster who hates Rizwan to the core so I added another stat to the table above which is total number of 6s being hit by each batsmen. As we can see on here Rizwan has comfortably hit 1 six per game whilst Kamran has struggled to even match that stat. There is not even one metric that shows Kamran is even half as good as Rizwan.

Hate is a strong word, I think [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] is misunderstood guy and riles up too many people, I don’t think he deserves all the barbed wire baseball bats, maybe sometimes :))

On your post I think it’s a bit unfair on Kamran to say there is no comparison, he was a former world champion and in the top two best T20I keepers ever for Pakistan
 
Kamran did have a decent run as an ODI opener after the 2010 fixing scandal. He scored runs consistently in the ODI series v England and continued working well with Hafeez as an opener until the 2011 semi final knockout

That was ODI though but it was a great period for him

He was also the top scorer for Pakistan in all three formats in 2009.

2009-2011 was Kamran’s best period as a batsman, but he was nowhere near as consistent as Rizwan is today.
 
T20I Stats:

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Matches[/td]
[td]Runs[/td]
[td]Average[/td]
[td]Strike Rate[/td]
[td]6s[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Kamran Akmal[/td]
[td]58[/td]
[td]987[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]119[/td]
[td]31[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Mohammad Rizwan[/td]
[td]68[/td]
[td]2,257[/td]
[td]52.53[/td]
[td]128[/td]
[td]64[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

With all due respect to Kamran Akmal he is not even half good when compared to Rizwan in any metric. If we look at other aspects such as work ethic, athleticism, fitness, tactical nous and other non stat areas then Kamran is even less than half the player Rizwan is.

There is a poster who hates Rizwan to the core so I added another stat to the table above which is total number of 6s being hit by each batsmen. As we can see on here Rizwan has comfortably hit 1 six per game whilst Kamran has struggled to even match that stat. There is not even one metric that shows Kamran is even half as good as Rizwan.

Game, set and match?
 
Kamran? This guy can score only he survives few drop catches. He may score 50-60 runs but then will drop 2-3 catches/stamping/runout.......
 
He was consistent when it mattered most for us and got us the runs in the final of 2009

Overall he has achieved leaps and bounds over Rizwan as a white ball cricketer

2007 runners up medal
2009 champions medal
2010 semi final

Rizwan has only done one semi final in his career

Rizwan has only done one semi final because he has played in only one wt20 tournament. This is simply taking the stuff out of context.
 
Rizwan scores more runs on average with a higher strike rate, while being 10 times the keeper Kamran ever was.

It is not even a debate.

Some people who were crying about Rizwan's strike rate are now using the different era excuse.🤣🤣🤣
 
There is no contest.

Rizwan is the superior player.

Kamran when he was occasionally on form was delightful to watch but he was an ordinary player overall.
 
Yes

World T20 won by Rizwan

game
set
match

That was the Afridi show
Kamran was striking at 125 the entire tournament.

In comparison YK and Afridi both striking at 140.

You criticise a 30 ball 50 from Rizwan. I'm surprised you are praising a 28 ball 37 from Kamran
 
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Rizwan.

Openers - Babar, Rizwan
Middle order - Hafeez, S Malik, Misbah
Lower middle/hitters - Asif, Afridi
Bowlers - Shadab, Shaheen , Gul, Amir
 
Rizwan has only done one semi final because he has played in only one wt20 tournament. This is simply taking the stuff out of context.
The rizwan haters always move the goal posts.

When you compare strike rates they will compare eras :))

they say he will never win us an ICC tournament and then include 'semi finals and runner ups' amongst Kamran achievements

They will claim Riz/Babar score against B teams and then long for the days where Sarfraz/Arthur pummelled B teams.

It's a never ending saga.

Im just waiting for them to say Kamran was keeper against a better standard of bowler than Rizwan and that will be the icing on the cake.
 
Wow. I can't believe some people are picking Kamran over Rizwan. Kamran no doubt played very few extraordinary knocks but overall he was a poor batsman and horrible behind the stumps. So many games we lost due to his poor fielding.

On the other hand, what Rizwan has done in the past few years are far superior than what Kamran has done in 10+ years. So, i'll pick Rizwan over Kamran any day of the week.
 
Off all people, Younis Khan has a higher strike rate than Kamran during the WT20I 2009.

Yet, some people here want us to believe that Kamran played a huge role in that triumph, so that they can further push their agenda against Rizwan.

That tournament was won on the back of Afridi, Gul, Ajmal and Amir.
 
That was the Afridi show
Kamran was striking at 125 the entire tournament.

In comparison YK and Afridi both striking at 140.

You criticise a 30 ball 50 from Rizwan. I'm surprised you are praising a 28 ball 37 from Kamran

Yes it’s because I have selective favouritism
 
As much as I despise Kamran Akmal the guy and hated his wicketkeeping, he has been instrumental in playing some of the best knocks for Pakistan in t20is. His peak was 2008-2010. A very short one but during that time, he was good enough to be one of the main guys for Pak's wt20 09 win. Kamran was probably the third most important guy in the team for that tournament after Afridi and Gul. He consistently provided fast starts in that tournament. In the semi final, he got Pak off to a flyer (relatively speaking considering the pitch) with his 23 of 12 on a pitch everyone else found it extremely hard to score. Afridi did exceptionally well to get a 50 but Pak wouldn't have been able to get to 140 odd if it weren't due to his cameo. In the final again, Shahzaib Hasan was struggling to put the bat on the ball and Kamran took away all the pressure off him but consistently taking on the bowlers scoring 37 or something and giving Pak a good enough start from Afridi to capitalize on and take the team home.

He was again very good in wt20 10 as well. Pak was something like 40/4 in 10 overs against SA before Kamran and Umar counterattacked and took Pak to around 140. In the semi final again, he played a great knock alongside Umar but Hussey played a mercurial knock to trump it.

He also played a little gem against Australia in Australia in 2010 scoring 60 something at a SR of around 200 chasing 120 something where no one else was able to score more than a SR of 100.

Kamran was an awful keeper and when he was hitting his peak in 2010 as a batter, the spot fixing saga and his 6 month long axing from the squad put a total end to his career. After that, he was simply a passenger. Kamran was only useful when he played as an opener in t20is. As a middle order batter or finisher, he was awful.

Kamran was never consistent and his numbers prove that but on his good days, he was probably our best opener in t20is and a wt20 victory is a feather on his cap.

Coming on to Rizwan, he isn't the most talented batter in Pak and has punched above his weight and is seemingly has just started to get better after a stellar year as an opener. Rizwan has some visible chunks in his armory but he has been gritty enough to somehow make up for them. On pure numbers, Rizwan is the best batter in the t20i team as of now, and him not being aggressive enough up front or taking a bit long to get going has some merit in it, but the thing is there isn't anyone better to do that job over and over again considering the joke of a middle order we have. Although Rizwan has played more t20is than Kamran, he still has more games left in his career and is a great opportunity for him to take Pakistan to a world title.

Based on who should get into the team depends on what the team lineup is. If you have a middle order of peak [Afridi, Malik, Razzaq, Umar Misbah, Hafeez, Younis(Misbah and Younis were very good in the early period of t20i format when it was still taking its shape)], you can take a punt on Kamran and hope for him having a good day to take us off to a flyer.

But when you have a middle order of Shan, Iftikhar, Khushdil and Asif, playing Kamran would be a suicide as he will fail on more occasions than not and Pak will bundle out for around 130 on most days.

Rizwan is crucial for the current team and Kamran was crucial for the 2008-10 team as the respective openers.

Regarding adaptability, Kamran never showed the adaptability when the middle order of the team got weaker from 2012-14, and we remained an ordinary t20i team during that time.

Rizwan has time up his sleeve to show versatility in his game and if he can help Pak win a title, he would be an undisputed pick in the team.

But honestly speaking, the middle order that we currently have is not going to win us any tournament.
 
Rizwan played 1 T20 World Cup and failed

I will bump this thread by the end of this years World Cup
 
Rizwan.

Openers - Babar, Rizwan
Middle order - Hafeez, S Malik, Misbah
Lower middle/hitters - Asif, Afridi
Bowlers - Shadab, Shaheen , Gul, Amir

Abdul Razzaq over Asif any day any era.

Ajmal was a better bowler than Shadab as well but the chucking casts a shadow over whether he would make the team or not.
 
Kamran is a an underachiever I believe as despite his ability to play the shots all around he didnt put in the work to improve his game up to the level where he could easily rotate the strikes and survive quality balls. The SR of Karman is just the reflection of the limitations he had.

Us Pak fans remember players for hitting 4s and 6s which is only half the game or even less in formats other than T20s but, batsmanship is more than that and it requires ability to rotate, take doubles when you cant hit and surviving some quality balls you will get in the innings.

Rizwan is a much more accomplished batsman overall and the difference is so much that it cant even be a valid comparison, his numbers manifest the same. Yes on occasions we can question the approach but, that point of questioning only comes in because he is there at the wicket for good amount of overs pretty consistently. Kamran Akmal has played quite a few innings where his bat wasnt producing strokes and he got into worst tangles because he couldnt even rotate the strike.

The only comparison which we can have is the ability of each player to play boundary shots all around the ground. Kamran was gifted in certain aspects and maybe playing around the ground was one such aspect but, he falls behind in multiple other facets.

So Rizwan without a 2nd thought.
 
Debate should be between Sarfraz and Rizwan. Kami is no where in the picture. He was only playing due to his connections and lack of options. Bohat saari duaon ke baad woh team se nikla tha
 
Rizwan played 1 T20 World Cup and failed

I will bump this thread by the end of this years World Cup

Third highest scorer is a fail now? I'd agree if he had given the same figures Babar gave in the recently concluded Asia Cup
 
Third highest scorer is a fail now? I'd agree if he had given the same figures Babar gave in the recently concluded Asia Cup

Only a month bro go to see if Riz equals Kami’s medals tally

Or get us into a final at least

I forgot, Kamran is an IPL winner too….something Rizwan will never be :))
 
Rizwan played 1 T20 World Cup and failed

I will bump this thread by the end of this years World Cup

He failed only in your imagination.

He was among the top-scorers of the tournament.
 
Individuals don't win WC, team does.

So why do you harp on about his individual record but your mates say Kamran contributed nothing in Pakistan winning the T20 World Cup?

Goal posts changing?
 
Kamran had so much potential to achieve greatness. Sad that he didnt play honestly all the time. As Saqi says that nature has its ways, so when Kamran did try to play with full intent, luck didnt support him.
 
So why do you harp on about his individual record but your mates say Kamran contributed nothing in Pakistan winning the T20 World Cup?

Goal posts changing?

I can't speak for others.

You called Rizwan a failure in last WC......when he clearly wasn't.

Kamran deserves credit for playing his part in winning the WC.....but you're making it sound as if he won it all by himself.

Gul and Afridi were the biggest stars of that win followed by Ajmal, Kamran and others.


Anyways, no point discussing about Rizwan with you......you can never be objective when it comes to him.
 
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I can't speak for others.

You called Rizwan a failure in last WC......when he clearly wasn't.

Kamran deserves credit for playing his part in winning the WC.....but you're making it sound as if he won it all by himself.

Gul and Afridi were the biggest stars of that win followed by Ajmal, Kamran and others.


Anyways, no point discussing about Rizwan with you......you can never stay objective when it comes to him.

The point is, tell me Rizwan is better or whatever once he achieves as much as Kamran does with his team in T20s

The World Cup would be a great start
 
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Rizwan by a country mile.

Kami is legit one of the most pathetic players to ever play for Pakistan in my eyes. An atrocious wicket-keeper...possibly even the worst wicket-keeper to play 10+ tests for Pakistan. A thoroughly mediocre batter who almost always went missing in big matches. And a man who can be directly blamed for numerous losses where his atrocious wicket-keeping was the biggest reason we lost.

Also, those under the misconception that he was a good T20I player, his SR as opener in T20Is was 114. I wonder what [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] would have to say about Rizwan if he boasted such a pathetic SR as opener.

He undoubtedly showed promise in his early years and if there's anything he can hang his hat on, its the innings he played in the 2006 Karachi test. But from 2007 it was a steep, steep decline.
 
Not a competition

Rizwan then daylight

Kamran flattered to decieve with his batting most of the time He was the king of dot balls and struggled to rotate the strime The fact he avged 20s in nearly all formats tell you everything The majority of his innings he got in and then very quickly got out

And ive not mentioned how poor a keeper he was
 
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Rizwan by a country mile.

Kami is legit one of the most pathetic players to ever play for Pakistan in my eyes. An atrocious wicket-keeper...possibly even the worst wicket-keeper to play 10+ tests for Pakistan. A thoroughly mediocre batter who almost always went missing in big matches. And a man who can be directly blamed for numerous losses where his atrocious wicket-keeping was the biggest reason we lost.

Also, those under the misconception that he was a good T20I player, his SR as opener in T20Is was 114. I wonder what [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] would have to say about Rizwan if he boasted such a pathetic SR as opener.

He undoubtedly showed promise in his early years and if there's anything he can hang his hat on, its the innings he played in the 2006 Karachi test. But from 2007 it was a steep, steep decline.

Rizwan, in the position he was brought in for and the player he was brought in to replace had a pathetic average and strike rate

FAILED MIDDLE ORDER BATSMAN

The truth! And he was elevated by a toxic Misbah ul Haq who was adamant to make his blunder look correct when he removed a winning leader in Sarfaraz under the premise of his non performance as a player! Misbah ruined the side by opening with Rizwan who is doing good for himself only. Our team has gone to the dogs! Our captain has become a coward and is also playing for his own stats!

We are fast on the decline! SA, NZ and Aus are below us in the rankings but we all know they are far, faaar superior teams than ours!

This is all thanks to Misbah ul Haq and his blunder of removing a winning captain and strategy in order to promote a FAILED MIDDLE ORDER BATSMAN

And that’s the bottom line….

No more discussion on this with you!
 
Word cup winners medal

Kamran=1

Rizwan= Anda

IPL winners medal

Kamran= 1

Rizwan= khwaab
 
Sydeny test says hiiiiii. The rest are countless to remember.

This is a T20 comparison

Kamran>> Rizwan T20

Kamran>> Rizwan ODI

Rizwan will overtake Kamran by the end of his career as a Test match keeper/Batsman
 
There’s no “Vs”.

Rizwan probably looks up to Kami as a personal hero. The first true keeper-batsman of Pakistan. Before Kami we only went for keepers who could hold a bat, nothing more. He changed the game.

Proud of Rizwan too. Hopefully he inspires a legion of young Pakistani keeper-batsmen as well. Both are class. It’s like 2003 BMW M3 and a 2018 M3, both solid choices in their respective time.
 
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