MS Dhoni still the shadow captain?

[Cricfan4eva]

Not sure if anyone noticed but one can see Dhoni still has a lot of influence on what kind of length and line the bowlers bowl or also if field placings need a change.

Is Virat okay with it because of the experience MSD brings or is he finding it hard to dismiss MSD's suggestion?

It's too early I know and this thread isn't about whether those were good or bad calls. Its just a difference i could make it from the way he's captained test team so far and the ODI side. He doesn't seem the same authoritative leader as he does in tests.

 

[Cricket World]

There is nothing wrong anyways keepers do play big role in setting up fields and guide bowlers

 

[ads101]

Happens all the time, seniors helping the captain. Look at how Jayawardene and Sangakaara were helping Matthews. It's fine, might as well impart their knowledge now while they are around, they will be gone in a few years. LOI captaincy is very different to test captaincy, and Kohli might as well learn from one of the best minds in LOI cricket.

In test cricket, Kohli doesn't really have any seniors so it's not the same. In a few years though he will be the most senior in LOI too.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Happens all the time, seniors helping the captain. Look at how Jayawardene and Sangakaara were helping Matthews. It's fine, might as well impart their knowledge now while they are around, they will be gone in a few years. LOI captaincy is very different to test captaincy, and Kohli might as well learn from one of the best minds in LOI cricket.

In test cricket, Kohli doesn't really have any seniors so it's not the same. In a few years though he will be the most senior in LOI too.

Matthews is a pretty mediocre captain. Kohli isn't.

I don't mind MSD chipping in at all but in the end it should be Kohli's final call. Maybe in test team he seems more authoritative because there is no one really that is senior to him. I guess it might be helpful for now with CT so close but I'd certainly like to see him in the same authoritative mould like he has been in test cricket.

 

[Saurav]

Matthews is a pretty mediocre captain. Kohli isn't.

I don't mind MSD chipping in at all but in the end it should be Kohli's final call. Maybe in test team he seems more authoritative because there is no one really that is senior to him. I guess it might be helpful for now with CT so close but I'd certainly like to see him in the same authoritative mould like he has been in test cricket.

Kohli is still unproven in LOIs.Infact mediocre if you consider IPL

Dhoni had Sachin,Dravid etc when he took over.Still made a mark

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Kohli is still unproven in LOIs.Infact mediocre if you consider IPL

Dhoni had Sachin,Dravid etc when he took over.Still made a mark

Yes but you could see Dhoni was in charge even with Ganguly, RD, SRT around. That is what I am getting at, Dhoni wasn't proven either, in fact his appointment came out of the blue.

Maybe Kohli the test captain has raised expectations and this series is probably not the right one to judge him as of yet.

 

[Mamoon]

I believe that Kohli will not be able to really excel as a Limited Overs captain as long as Dhoni is in the team.

Dhoni is a legendary captain and will always be the de facto leader in the dressing room. It's like asking Imran to play in the captaincy of Wasim.

I have always maintained that Dhoni should quit Limited Overs cricket as captain, just like he retired from Tests without playing as player under Kohli.

It's not about ego or anything, because I'm sure Dhoni is selfless and will not interfere with Kohli, but it's natural that his presence is going to be counter productive for the latter.

However, the problem is that Dhoni is still the best WK batsman in India by far.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

One can't say anything about this in a definite manner.

But I don't think Dhoni over-stepped his boundaries.

Earlier, he was mostly quiet.

Only in the final stages he was more into field placements. I think he wouldn't have done it in a way Kohli felt under-mined.

To be really really really honest, Kohli could learn a thing or two from Dhoni in such games.

He is the true master when it comes to containing teams and defending totals....and on the other hand, Kohli is known to screw up defending such totals in IPL.

So for today's game, I don't mind at all.

But if there is an active attempt to undermine Kohli, then I would.

But I don't think Dhoni would do that.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Dhoni won't quit until the 2019 WC in England so Kohli better get used to it - not that it's a big deal tbh.

 

[SandyB]

I believe that Kohli will not be able to really excel as a Limited Overs captain as long as Dhoni is in the team.

Dhoni is a legendary captain and will always be the de facto leader in the dressing room. It's like asking Imran to play in the captaincy of Wasim.

I have always maintained that Dhoni should quit Limited Overs cricket as captain, just like he retired from Tests without playing as player under Kohli.

It's not about ego or anything, because I'm sure Dhoni is selfless and will not interfere with Kohli, but it's natural that his presence is going to be counter productive for the latter.

However, the problem is that Dhoni is still the best WK batsman in India by far.

That is the most significant aspect. He must play CT2017.. A new Keeper can be blooded for the next WC.. But till CT we have no other choice as of now..

 

[pillionrider]

Dhoni is still the best WK batsman in India by far.

This can't be emphasized enough. It's painful sometimes to read other names being thrown around when they're not even playing the same sport as him.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

One can't say anything about this in a definite manner.

But I don't think Dhoni over-stepped his boundaries.

Earlier, he was mostly quiet.

Only in the final stages he was more into field placements. I think he wouldn't have done it in a way Kohli felt under-mined.

To be really really really honest, Kohli could learn a thing or two from Dhoni in such games.

He is the true master when it comes to containing teams and defending totals....and on the other hand, Kohli is known to screw up defending such totals in IPL.

So for today's game, I don't mind at all.

But if there is an active attempt to undermine Kohli, then I would.

But I don't think Dhoni would do that.

I agree Kohli has a lot to learn in ODI's as captain. Even in Asia cup at times he looked clueless but I'd hope he learns by making his "own" mistakes than taking in everything a senior is suggesting. He'll not have Dhoni around forever.

 

[Varun]

I'm sure it's a mutual decision where Kohli has asked Dhoni for help throughout any given ODI, especially in the final stages of the game.

Why would you leave somebody with so much experience out of the decision making process?

 

[Asim2Good]

Captain should get all the help available from team mates, this is what lacking in Pak team.
Indian bowlers are not that good to set their own fields like Warne or McGrath or any other great bowlers.
Kohli shouldn't mind this help from MSD and he ll learn quickly at sametime too

 

[Indiafan]

Not sure if anyone noticed but one can see Dhoni still has a lot of influence on what kind of length and line the bowlers bowl or also if field placings need a change.

Is Virat okay with it because of the experience MSD brings or is he finding it hard to dismiss MSD's suggestion?

It's too early I know and this thread isn't about whether those were good or bad calls. Its just a difference i could make it from the way he's captained test team so far and the ODI side. He doesn't seem the same authoritative leader as he does in tests.

Wicketkeepers do that. Kohli has no problem with it

 

[speedking]

Happens all the time, seniors helping the captain. Look at how Jayawardene and Sangakaara were helping Matthews. It's fine, might as well impart their knowledge now while they are around, they will be gone in a few years. LOI captaincy is very different to test captaincy, and Kohli might as well learn from one of the best minds in LOI cricket.

In test cricket, Kohli doesn't really have any seniors so it's not the same. In a few years though he will be the most senior in LOI too.

mathews is one of the worst captain I have ever seen

 

[Hasan123]

MSD doesn't see the type to undermine someone, think he was just giving Virat some tips that's all.

 

[Tusker]

I would say Kohli is gaining invaluable experience from the Legendary Captain in realtime. Better learn quickly as Iam pretty sure MSD might not hang around for ever.

 

[saeedhk]

Kohli will not be able to exert his full control over the team until Dhoni retires.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

MSD is the senior most player in LOI, why shouldn't he have a few advice for Kohli? MSD has been a brilliant captain for India in LOI, probably their best ever. Also he's a wicket keeper so of course he exerts some influence, it would be dumb and wasteful to have MSD remain quiet and neutral.

 

[kingusama92]

All of them look up to Dhoni including Kohli. The man has incredible wisdom in limited overs cricket.

 

[Smbhayi]

I see he takes DRS pretty early last two matches. when umpire signals Yuvi is out MSD signalled T straight away.

 

[R1ddlR]

Dhoni is like Younis Khan or Shoaib Malik of Pakistan, he has experience - and is a Senior Member of the team with Izzat.

We are the captains of our life, yet we ask our parents for advice when making decisions, he has become a father/big brother figure to most of the team.

Remember this wise quote.

 

[Varun]

I see he takes DRS pretty early last two matches. when umpire signals Yuvi is out MSD signalled T straight away.

I thought he was in the anti-DRS camp?

 

[ExpressPacer]

All these blokes have always played under Dhoni and he's always been the personality to look up to. In all departments, be it personal life or game on the field so he'll obviously have a huge influence on the major decisions on and off the field. Even Virat seems to ask Dhoni for advice every now and then.

Very understandable. Mathews was helped out greatly by former captains, Dilshan, Sanga and Mahela.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Dhoni took over RD as captain when he did and played alongside him, you'd never see RD give his thoughts until it was seeked or MSD rely on seniors.

I am not trying to be harsh on Kohli here, maybe he needs time to settle in as ODI skipper but if this is how its going to be then we wont see Kohli blossom as an ODI skipper until MSD is gone.

Dhoni is like Younis Khan or Shoaib Malik of Pakistan, he has experience - and is a Senior Member of the team with Izzat.

We are the captains of our life, yet we ask our parents for advice when making decisions, he has become a father/big brother figure to most of the team.

Remember this wise quote.

Only difference is, in India there is no "senior-junior" culture.