Murali Vijay retires from all forms of international cricket

[Acricketfan]

I have seen cricket fans going gaga over Root and Williamson and Warner and Kohli and Azhar Ali and Smith . But looks like Vijay never gets the credit he deserves . He is possibly the second best test opener right now after Warner . He has also played some great innings outside Asia like 146 and 90 odd against England at Lords. 144 at GABBA. 99 at Adelaide. And the most important thing is , even if he doesn't score many runs , he still blunts the new ball thus making things easier for up coming batsmen .

Your thoughts ?

 

[Sherlock]

Yep and I think especially by Indian fans.

I've always been a fan. Yes he hasn't been good at the start of his International career, but his Test record over the last few matches have been excellent.

Very good player.

 

[jabarjabar]

Definitely.

Also one of the most elegant and good looking players to watch. Some of his flicks are Azharuddin like.

Old school test player when needed and can smash them too.

 

[WrexEverything]

I was converted from a cynic to a fan after his first innings in SA where he only scored 30 odd but left the ball brilliantly against Steyn. He has been consistently awesome in the last year or so and is currently one of the best in the world. Before Cook's recent upturn in form, I considered only Warner a better opener than Vijay.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Yes.

He had an iffy start to his test career but has been in great form for the last couple of years.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

He is not appreciated much because he is boring. He does have the ability to score quickly when needed.

He is one of those players whose utility is only appreciated by middle order batsmen who do not want to face the new ball. Vijay can take the shine of the ball quickly with his solid defense. Guy is excellent at leaving the ball too.

 

[Chrish]

He is a "shine remover" of the team and he has performed his part brilliantly.. A technically correct batsman with fine temperament.

 

[Neferpitou]

Second best test opener.

He's been great the last few series. His 144 at the Gabba was better than all of Kohli's knocks. That pitch was difficult to bat on and he made it look easy.

 

[#GreenRoars]

He has a good temperament. You need openers to consume a lots of balls and then score runs. He does that.
and he is very much improved too. at first he was an international failure, but he have done some real hard work. he is very very improved now.

 

[WrexEverything]

Second best test opener.

He's been great the last few series. His 144 at the Gabba was better than all of Kohli's knocks. That pitch was difficult to bat on and he made it look easy.

Awesome knock, but to say it was better than Kohli's 4th innings hundred at Adelaide is a big stretch.

I would say Vijay's best and most important knock so far was his 95 at Lord's. The pitch, despite losing it's grass remained a very tricky one to bat on throughout the match.

 

[jabarjabar]

He's missed out on 3 overseas centuries by getting out in the 90s. A real shame considering they were in Durban, Lords and Adelaide.

 

[Enforcer]

He is my favourite batsman in tests.

 

[WrexEverything]

He's missed out on 3 overseas centuries by getting out in the 90s. A real shame considering they were in Durban, Lords and Adelaide.

Yup. All 3 very high quality knocks as well.

 

[Neferpitou]

Awesome knock, but to say it was better than Kohli's 4th innings hundred at Adelaide is a big stretch.

I would say Vijay's best and most important knock so far was his 95 at Lord's. The pitch, despite losing it's grass remained a very tricky one to bat on throughout the match.

In terms of conditions difficulty, it was. Kohli's knock was under greater pressure but the conditions were pretty flat, not to forget Murali also laid the platform in that game with a fantastic 99.

 

[Acricketfan]

In terms of conditions difficulty, it was. Kohli's knock was under greater pressure but the conditions were pretty flat, not to forget Murali also laid the platform in that game with a fantastic 99.

Flat pitch ? The ball was turning viciously on that pitch.

 

[Dee1990]

Always rated him to do well in the future even when he didn't have a great start to his test career, heard on commentary today that in the past year or so his average is 54. Very underrated batsman by many including Indian fans, hope he can continue this form for a long time.

 

[leatherface58]

Probably the best opener from subcontinent currently.

Very stylish player too. Good to watch.

 

[Varun]

Very underrated. Why is Ishant Sharma vice captain? It should be him.

I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves a la Root, Kohli, etc. because he's in his 30s?

 

[WrexEverything]

In terms of conditions difficulty, it was. Kohli's knock was under greater pressure but the conditions were pretty flat, not to forget Murali also laid the platform in that game with a fantastic 99.

You did not watch the match then. The ball was turning a ridiculous amount for Lyon from the rough. Calling that pitch on day 5 flat is laughable.

 

[Neferpitou]

You did not watch the match then. The ball was turning a ridiculous amount for Lyon from the rough. Calling that pitch on day 5 flat is laughable.

Every day 5 pitch turns. The ball was turning more due to Lyon's excellent flight and revs than assistance from the pitch. There was nothing on offer for the pacers.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

He isn't someone who is capable of winning matches for the team. Until he learns how to do that he won't be appreciated as much.
It's the same story with Ajinkya Rahane.
For example had India won or drawn the series against Aus or England they would have been much more appreciated.
Azhar, Warner, Smith etc have all built their names over wins for their team

 

[Sandeep]

Probably the second best Indian batsman at the moment, the best being Rahane. He is not just a 'shine remover', but he actually is a great striker of the ball. He has showed some great character in curbing his natural aggressive attacking instinct for test matches!

 

[Vayuu]

He isn't someone who is capable of winning matches for the team. Until he learns how to do that he won't be appreciated as much.
It's the same story with Ajinkya Rahane.
For example had India won or drawn the series against Aus or England they would have been much more appreciated.
Azhar, Warner, Smith etc have all built their names over wins for their team

Don't agree with ajinkya part he was one of the main architect of that victory at lords, azhar hasn't done anything special outside uae .

 

[giri26]

He isn't someone who is capable of winning matches for the team. Until he learns how to do that he won't be appreciated as much.
It's the same story with Ajinkya Rahane.
For example had India won or drawn the series against Aus or England they would have been much more appreciated.
Azhar, Warner, Smith etc have all built their names over wins for their team

Again this "winning matches" thing comes up. It is not Vijay's fault that his team is mediocre. A batsman can only score runs and unless he is an all rounder has no say in how the bowlers bowl. Vijay played a brilliant innings in Lords in the second innings setting up the game for the team. That one time the bowlers were good enough to win the game for the team. An opener is there to set the platform for the middle order to take the game forward. If he does that he would have done his job. You need a good bowling attack to win games. An individual cannot win test matches on his own...It is not possible. It has never happened in the past and it will not happen in the future. He can play innings which sets up the game for your team, it then depends on the team strength to take advantage on the innings. Any other team would have taken advantage of that brilliant 144 he scored in Gabba but the Indian bowlers were pathetic.

 

[Buffet]

What do you mean by under-appreciated? He will probably go as the second opener with Warner right now in World XI.

 

[giri26]

Don't agree with ajinkya part he was one of the main architect of that victory at lords, azhar hasn't done anything special outside uae .

You don't understand the PP version of match winner. Unless a player plays the innings of that 153 no of Brian Lara (who probably played that one innings in 130 tests), you are not considered match winner. Even if your bowling attack consists of Dodda Ganesh, Abhay Kuruvilla, Venkatesh Prasad, A batsman should be somehow be able to win games on his own. If he does not he is not a match winner.

 

[Sandeep]

You don't understand the PP version of match winner. Unless a player plays the innings of that 153 no of Brian Lara (who probably played that one innings in 130 tests), you are not considered match winner. Even if your bowling attack consists of Dodda Ganesh, Abhay Kuruvilla, Venkatesh Prasad, A batsman should be somehow be able to win games on his own. If he does not he is not a match winner.

#PPfacts

 

[Sandeep]

Indian batsmen rank among the very best in world cricket currently. But our poor bowling always projects them in poor light.

 

[Vayuu]

And dare I say vijay and rahane have played far better and tougher knocks than azhar, Warner and smith.

 

[dildilpak]

You don't understand the PP version of match winner. Unless a player plays the innings of that 153 no of Brian Lara (who probably played that one innings in 130 tests), you are not considered match winner. Even if your bowling attack consists of Dodda Ganesh, Abhay Kuruvilla, Venkatesh Prasad, A batsman should be somehow be able to win games on his own. If he does not he is not a match winner.

Well said. POTW for me

 

[Cricfan4eva]

On current form I'd say he is behind Warner. Although Cook has regained his form as well, so these 3 will form the top 3 atm with Warner a clear no.1 as of now.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He isn't someone who is capable of winning matches for the team. Until he learns how to do that he won't be appreciated as much.
It's the same story with Ajinkya Rahane.
For example had India won or drawn the series against Aus or England they would have been much more appreciated.
Azhar, Warner, Smith etc have all built their names over wins for their team

Bro that's harsh.

How can he do that when he doesn't have bowlers to get him results.

Win concept means nothing when a team has bad bowlers.

Rahane made us win the Lord's test (Vijay's second innings 96 was crucial too).

Rahane setup the Wellington test match for our bowlers to botch it up.

Kohli and Pujara setup the JoBerg test for our bowlers to botch it up.

Tendu and co setup the Sydney 2004 test (and series win) for our bowlers and keeper (Parthiv Patel) to botch it up.

Tendu setup the Cape Town 2010 test (and series win) for our bowlers to botch it up.

When you play games in India,

Pujara won us countless tests.
Vijay won us countless tests.
Kohli too won us a couple of tests.
Even Rohit's tons got us wins.

So what was the difference?

Bowlers.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

When people single out a player and say they didn't win the test for their team, I can't help but cringe. Its a fricken team game you dimwit, a batsman or bowler can at best set up a game for his team he can't do it all by himself.

Vijay set us up beautifully for the Gabba test, what could he do if bowlers concede 500 and then our batting simply collapses in 2nd inns?

Would Stokes 100 be of any less value had English bowlers not managed to bowl out NZ in the 1st test?

 

[ads101]

Very underrated. Why is Ishant Sharma vice captain? It should be him.

I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves a la Root, Kohli, etc. because he's in his 30s?

Wait Ishant's vice captain? Inshant's not even a cert in the team with Yadav, Shami, B Kumar and Varun all competing for Pacer spots. The way it goes (at least in Pakistani cricket) is the vice captain can not be dropped mid series. If he's a vice captain he has to be picked. I remember that reason being used when people wanted Kamran dropped. Soon after the series was finished he was dropped from the squad and removed from vice captaincy.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Wait Ishant's vice captain? Inshant's not even a cert in the team with Yadav, Shami, B Kumar and Varun all competing for Pacer spots. The way it goes (at least in Pakistani cricket) is the vice captain can not be dropped mid series. If he's a vice captain he has to be picked. I remember that reason being used when people wanted Kamran dropped. Soon after the series was finished he was dropped from the squad and removed from vice captaincy.

Vice captaincy means nothing.

Just a name sake position.

 

[cricketworm]

It seems 'under-appreciated' because he had a baggage called 'IPL-Bully'. He actually surpassed many expectations. People didn't think he would have had this kind of attitude for test.

 

[Saurav]

Vice captaincy means nothing.

Just a name sake position.

It means a lot.Kohli was vice captain hence got to captain in Adelaide and we saw him.

Now if Kohli is injured or something,Ishant will captain

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It means a lot.Kohli was vice captain hence got to captain in Adelaide and we saw him.

Now if Kohli is injured or something,Ishant will captain

No. He won't.

Kohli captained cos he was officially recognized as the next one to Dhoni.

Ishant won't captain if Kohli is injured. You can take it in writing.

It would be either Rohit or Ashwin.

 

[Varun]

No. He won't.

Kohli captained cos he was officially recognized as the next one to Dhoni.

Ishant won't captain if Kohli is injured. You can take it in writing.

It would be either Rohit or Ashwin.

That's the question I'm asking. Why not Vijay?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

That's the question I'm asking. Why not Vijay?

Its about stature.

Vijay is not there yet.

Now don't ask what stature that Rohit and Ashwin have.

Its all relative.

If Dravid or Kumble were there, they wouldn't be considered too.

 

[Saurav]

No. He won't.

Kohli captained cos he was officially recognized as the next one to Dhoni.

Ishant won't captain if Kohli is injured. You can take it in writing.

It would be either Rohit or Ashwin.

but there has to an officially recognised deputy to Kohli too

You can't decide as and when he gets injured imo.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

but there has to an officially recognised deputy to Kohli too

You can't decide as and when he gets injured imo.

Yes you are right...but we operate in a crazy fashion with the assumption nothing will happen to captain during a match.

We announce a name sake VC which doesn't get publicized much.

 

[Saurav]

Its about stature.

Vijay is not there yet.

Now don't ask what stature that Rohit and Ashwin have.

Its all relative.

If Dravid or Kumble were there, they wouldn't be considered too.

Dravid was vice captain to Ganguly.

If you are suggesting they don't have much of personality,then thats not true.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Very underrated. Why is Ishant Sharma vice captain? It should be him.

I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves a la Root, Kohli, etc. because he's in his 30s?

Lol, is Ishant our vice captain.... Can't stop laughing

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Dravid was vice captain to Ganguly.

If you are suggesting they don't have much of personality,then thats not true.

Oh God...

I meant Dravid and Kumble were there, Ashwin and Rohit won't be considered.

)

 

[Varun]

Lol, is Ishant our vice captain.... Can't stop laughing

 

[riz45]

i think he should play ODI's too. He's a lot like Laxman except that he can also hit the big shots.

 

[Saurav]

Oh God...

I meant Dravid and Kumble were there, Ashwin and Rohit won't be considered.

)

sorry

still doesnt answer why Rohit over Vijay?Even Rohit's position is not cemented for me.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

sorry

still doesnt answer why Rohit over Vijay?Even Rohit's position is not cemented for me.

Whether its right or wrong, Rohit's stature overall > Vijay

Plus IPL captaincy has given him a boost

 

[Saurav]

Whether its right or wrong, Rohit's stature overall > Vijay

Plus IPL captaincy has given him a boost

That should matter more in LOIs.Rohit's stature is more bcoz of that.

In Tests Vijay is far ahead.Rahane too is ahead of Rohit

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

That should matter more in LOIs.Rohit's stature is more bcoz of that.

In Tests Vijay is far ahead.Rahane too is ahead of Rohit

Bro..I don't ever want to see Rohit captaining tests but that's how it is for now.

Due to his IPL captaincy Rohit jumps ahead of Vijay if he is a certainty for a particular random test.

Though I feel if Kohli gets injured, Ashwin will take over and not Rohit.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=95101]Cricfan4eva[/MENTION] [MENTION=25545]giri26[/MENTION]
That's not what I believe. I'm just giving you a viewpoint as to why Vijay is so underappreciated by most people and in particular the majority of Indian fans. Add to the fact that he is surrounded by blockbuster names like "Dhoni", "Kohli", "Dhawan". (The 1st test vs Bang is full proof of that. Dhawan has overshadowed Vijay.) Similar thing happened with the Virat-Vijay Partnership in Aus. Virat got most of the glory.
And no matter what anyone says, winning matches plays a huge role in boosting the credibility of a playerand creates the notion that "this guy is the real deal". I'll give you the analogy of Rahul Dravid who went VERY underappreciated in the early parts of his career. He had played brilliant knocks before then but they weren't career defining until 2001 when he had that famous partnership with VVS beating one of the best teams in the world. After that Dravid was regarded as one of the best batsmen of that era.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=95101]Cricfan4eva[/MENTION] [MENTION=25545]giri26[/MENTION]
That's not what I believe. I'm just giving you a viewpoint as to why Vijay is so underappreciated by most people and in particular the majority of Indian fans. Add to the fact that he is surrounded by blockbuster names like "Dhoni", "Kohli", "Dhawan". (The 1st test vs Bang is full proof of that. Dhawan has overshadowed Vijay.) Similar thing happened with the Virat-Vijay Partnership in Aus. Virat got most of the glory.
And no matter what anyone says, winning matches plays a huge role in boosting the credibility of a playerand creates the notion that "this guy is the real deal". I'll give you the analogy of Rahul Dravid who went VERY underappreciated in the early parts of his career. He had played brilliant knocks before then but they weren't career defining until 2001 when he had that famous partnership with VVS beating one of the best teams in the world. After that Dravid was regarded as one of the best batsmen of that era.

After VVS and Dravid resurrected Indian, was India awarded the win just for their magnanimous effort? Or something happened after that as well that contributed to the win?

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Don't agree with ajinkya part he was one of the main architect of that victory at lords, azhar hasn't done anything special outside uae .

UAE or Chittagong. Flat pitch or no flat pitch. Azhar Ali's 100s against the top sides in the world speaks volumes especially when they were in ICONIC test wins against Aus. And that 100 vs Sri Lanka in 2014 which was in one of the greatest 2nd innings chase in history.
Azhar was a part of an iconic win at the oval too. He made 90 odd but that didn't propel him to the top immediately. It takes time to garner credibility as a match winner.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

After VVS and Dravid resurrected Indian, was India awarded the win just for their magnanimous effort? Or something happened after that as well that contributed to the win?

You're not getting the point. Yea. The bowling was good but very few will remember who got the wickets in that match.
It's all about the iconic moments from the fan's perspective. In contrast Dravid's and VVS's partnership will always be remembered as the time 2 legends were truly made

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=95101]Cricfan4eva[/MENTION] [MENTION=25545]giri26[/MENTION]
That's not what I believe. I'm just giving you a viewpoint as to why Vijay is so underappreciated by most people and in particular the majority of Indian fans. Add to the fact that he is surrounded by blockbuster names like "Dhoni", "Kohli", "Dhawan". (The 1st test vs Bang is full proof of that. Dhawan has overshadowed Vijay.) Similar thing happened with the Virat-Vijay Partnership in Aus. Virat got most of the glory.
And no matter what anyone says, winning matches plays a huge role in boosting the credibility of a playerand creates the notion that "this guy is the real deal". I'll give you the analogy of Rahul Dravid who went VERY underappreciated in the early parts of his career. He had played brilliant knocks before then but they weren't career defining until 2001 when he had that famous partnership with VVS beating one of the best teams in the world. After that Dravid was regarded as one of the best batsmen of that era.

I get your point but winning matches isn't the holy grail for reputation.

Actually batsman who are attacking are loved more than defensive batsman.

Quality of stroke play and quality of innings impacts views.

Sachin was not famous for his match winning aspects till 2000 (though he played a major major role in ODI wins in 90s - win wan't what he was known for in 90s). It was all about his batting quality.

Dravid was under appreciated during his time cos he was boring like Vijay.

When he started to pile on runs everywhere, he eventually became an ATG like Kallis and Sanga and was loved by all. The weight and usefulness of his runs gave him reputation. Plus his peak was 2002-2006.

How many people would fawn over Dravid or Kallis or Sanga before they had the reputation and stats?

Very few and there is a reason for that.

On the other hand, for guys like Sachin, Lara, Ponting - their style of play impacted their popularity and they were celebrated way before they had all the stats in the world.

Take Pakistan's case:

If Umar Akmal was batting well but the team kept losing, he would still be the most popular Pakistan player now. Azhar Ali can make his team win countless matches and he would be lesser than Akmal in popularity (if Akmal had grown as a batsman). Even now with all his flaws Akmal is more popular.

 

[ads101]

No. He won't.

Kohli captained cos he was officially recognized as the next one to Dhoni.

Ishant won't captain if Kohli is injured. You can take it in writing.

It would be either Rohit or Ashwin.

That would make more sense. Rohit might not have cemented his spot but at the moment is doing good enough to be in the side. And has experience and a knack for captaincy I've heard.

It does sound hilarious though if Kohli was injured and Ishant had to captain. He doesn't even have much captaincy I'm aware, and would perhaps be in the position where he'd have to take himself off if he's being tonked . No other Indian pace bowler has been given the rung that he has, his record after 60 test matches is so poor. Ishant isn't the only talented pacer India have that they have to stick with him, they have others, just need to stick with them and give them a chance.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

You're not getting the point. Yea. The bowling was good but very few will remember who got the wickets in that match.
It's all about the iconic moments from the fan's perspective. In contrast Dravid's and VVS's partnership will always be remembered as the time 2 legends were truly made

I'm getting the point, nor am I trying to take away credit from RD or Lax. All I'm saying is according to you the partnership would be meaningless had India not bowled out Aus and had the game ended in a draw. Which I disagree with. One of finest innings of AB is batting out 1.5 days to draw a game vs Aus.

A win sure adds value but it isn't the be all or end all of judging a player. If so, Lara wouldn't be hailed so highly. His 153 is one of the best, but he isn't just known for that one innings. He was a great because he took on the best bowlers of his era and tore em a new one while his team fell apart around him.

 

[Hawkeye]

One of my favorite Indian Test bat.

Yeah he's underrated, people tend to go for flashy batsmen even in Test cricket now. They'll rate Dhawan but not him, even though he's most likely to do better in testing conditions.

A gritty player like Azhar, reminds me of the grit Dravid had.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No one in India rates Dhawan more than Vijay in Tests.

Rahane is rated more cos he can combine defense with attack in Tests.

But every batsman has his uses.

Vijay makes guys like Kohli and Rahane more effective just like Dravid made SRT, Ganguly Laxman more effective.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I get your point but winning matches isn't the holy grail for reputation.

Actually batsman who are attacking are loved more than defensive batsman.

Quality of stroke play and quality of innings impacts views.

Sachin was not famous for his match winning aspects till 2000 (though he played a major major role in ODI wins in 90s - win wan't what he was known for in 90s). It was all about his batting quality.

Dravid was under appreciated during his time cos he was boring like Vijay.

When he started to pile on runs everywhere, he eventually became an ATG like Kallis and Sanga and was loved by all. The weight and usefulness of his runs gave him reputation. Plus his peak was 2002-2006.

How many people would fawn over Dravid or Kallis or Sanga before they had the reputation and stats?

Very few and there is a reason for that.

On the other hand, for guys like Sachin, Lara, Ponting - their style of play impacted their popularity and they were celebrated way before they had all the stats in the world.

Take Pakistan's case:

If Umar Akmal was batting well but the team kept losing, he would still be the most popular Pakistan player now. Azhar Ali can make his team win countless matches and he would be lesser than Akmal in popularity (if Akmal had grown as a batsman). Even now with all his flaws Akmal is more popular.

Well yes, that is true to a exent. But Williamson and Azhar aren't exactly Viv esque themselves. Yet they still have a certain reputation about them. And the reason for their popularity. In particular Azhar's was because of 100s against some of the best sides in the world in wins, regardless of what pitch it was. And that's how Dravid and co emerged in popularity with wins over other big teams.

 

[ads101]

No one in Indian rates Dhawan more than Vijay in Tests.

Rahane is rated more cos he can combine defense with attack in Tests.

But every batsman has his uses.

Vijay makes guys like Kohli and Rahane more effective just like Dravid made SRT, Ganguly Laxman more effective.

Yeah that's what I thought, there's plenty of calls that Dhawan just throws it away all the time and doesn't live up to his potential in tests. I mean weren't there calls to drop Dhawan in order to bring back one of Sehwag or Gambhir.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yeah that's what I thought, there's plenty of calls that Dhawan just throws it away all the time and doesn't live up to his potential in tests. I mean weren't there calls to drop Dhawan in order to bring back one of Sehwag or Gambhir.

Dhawan is a hack who won't survive in testing conditions.

In fact he has a weakness against off spin too (quality).

I am pretty sure if Dhawan faces Ashwin on a turner, he will get out atleast 5 times in 10 overs.

2 advantages Dhawan has:

1. Tracks in the world are going flatter
2. When Dhawan clicks from time to time, he will score fast and help the team a LOT

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Well yes, that is true to a exent. But Williamson and Azhar aren't exactly Viv esque themselves. Yet they still have a certain reputation about them. And the reason for their popularity. In particular Azhar's was because of 100s against some of the best sides in the world in wins, regardless of what pitch it was. And that's how Dravid and co emerged in popularity with wins over other big teams.

Yeah bro but if their team had a dashing batsman who scored centuries, they would be overshadowed.

Of course, by centuries I mean in all conditions and not FTBing.

With all being said, every aspect counts. Wins account for reputation too. No question about that.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Yeah bro but if their team had a dashing batsman who scored centuries, they would be overshadowed.

Of course, by centuries I mean in all conditions and not FTBing.

With all being said, every aspect counts. Wins account for reputation too. No question about that.

That's exactly my point. Almost everything Vijay does is overshadowed by other members of the team. Add to the fact that he is filling Sehwag's boots.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

That's exactly my point. Almost everything Vijay does is overshadowed by other members of the team. Add to the fact that he is filling Sehwag's boots.

Yeah....Vijay needs some wins (though its not in his hands) to gain stature.

Sadly that's how it is.

 

[Hawkeye]

No one in India rates Dhawan more than Vijay in Tests.

Rahane is rated more cos he can combine defense with attack in Tests.

But every batsman has his uses.

Vijay makes guys like Kohli and Rahane more effective just like Dravid made SRT, Ganguly Laxman more effective.

Glad to know people don't prefer Dhawan.

You're right that the more flashy batsmen get more fame and attention, at times even when they're not consistent enough like in Umar's case. I too personally believe that he can turn it around.

If you're a proper stroke player and can play fast, people tend to tolerate you and rate you on potential.

 

[Vayuu]

UAE or Chittagong. Flat pitch or no flat pitch. Azhar Ali's 100s against the top sides in the world speaks volumes especially when they were in ICONIC test wins against Aus. And that 100 vs Sri Lanka in 2014 which was in one of the greatest 2nd innings chase in history.
Azhar was a part of an iconic win at the oval too. He made 90 odd but that didn't propel him to the top immediately. It takes time to garner credibility as a match winner.

Iconic for you yes, but we all know how Australia plays in subcontinent, that's why the hundred by vijay at gabba and by rahane at lords are far more quality than azhar's.

 

[giri26]

Yeah....Vijay needs some wins (though its not in his hands) to gain stature.

Sadly that's how it is.

Unless India gets a bowling attack which can 20 wickets consistently he will not be a match winning player. That's strange yardstick. He is bound to have some hundreds in coming years in wins but again people will say that he is boring and has been overshadowed by hacks like rohit and dhawan. Vijay is a unique player for India in the current generation. He does not need the so called star status. His effectiveness is based on his strong technique and seeing off the new ball. He will score runs while doing that. Let rohit, kohli, dhawan et all enjoy the star status. Vijay will be considered as one of the best opening bats ever for India.

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[giri26]

UAE or Chittagong. Flat pitch or no flat pitch. Azhar Ali's 100s against the top sides in the world speaks volumes especially when they were in ICONIC test wins against Aus. And that 100 vs Sri Lanka in 2014 which was in one of the greatest 2nd innings chase in history.
Azhar was a part of an iconic win at the oval too. He made 90 odd but that didn't propel him to the top immediately. It takes time to garner credibility as a match winner.

Vijay scored back to back 150+ scores against Australia in the home series which were wins. That was his come back series.

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[cricketworm]

That's the question I'm asking. Why not Vijay?

Does he have any experience of captaincy?

 

[Acricketfan]

UAE or Chittagong. Flat pitch or no flat pitch. Azhar Ali's 100s against the top sides in the world speaks volumes especially when they were in ICONIC test wins against Aus. And that 100 vs Sri Lanka in 2014 which was in one of the greatest 2nd innings chase in history.
Azhar was a part of an iconic win at the oval too. He made 90 odd but that didn't propel him to the top immediately. It takes time to garner credibility as a match winner.

Kohli scores tons in Aus and Sa . Pitch is flat. Azhar scores runs on uae roads . What an iconic innings.

 

[Acricketfan]

You don't understand the PP version of match winner. Unless a player plays the innings of that 153 no of Brian Lara (who probably played that one innings in 130 tests), you are not considered match winner. Even if your bowling attack consists of Dodda Ganesh, Abhay Kuruvilla, Venkatesh Prasad, A batsman should be somehow be able to win games on his own. If he does not he is not a match winner.

Owned.

 

[Varun]

No one in India rates Dhawan more than Vijay in Tests.

Rahane is rated more cos he can combine defense with attack in Tests.

Let's face the uncomfortable truth, Rahane and co. are rated more because they're young. If Vijay was 26, he would also be considered as a great find for our team.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Funny thing is just 18 months ago Vijay was called a flat track bully whom people did not want in the test squad on the SA tour! He was Dhoni's chamcha and in the team due to his CSK connections they said.

What a huge turnaround for him.

 

[WrexEverything]

Funny thing is just 18 months ago Vijay was called a flat track bully whom people did not want in the test squad on the SA tour! He was Dhoni's chamcha and in the team due to his CSK connections they said.

What a huge turnaround for him.

Indeed

 

[leg-side-flick]

Let's face the uncomfortable truth, Rahane and co. are rated more because they're young. If Vijay was 26, he would also be considered as a great find for our team.

I dont think age is the reason.....

 

[jusarrived]

Funny thing is just 18 months ago Vijay was called a flat track bully whom people did not want in the test squad on the SA tour! He was Dhoni's chamcha and in the team due to his CSK connections they said.

What a huge turnaround for him.

Thats Indian fans for you .
I still remember how much Dhoni was criticized for picking him for England series .

 

[TheNightWatchman]

[MENTION=139052]Acricketfan[/MENTION] [MENTION=25545]giri26[/MENTION] [MENTION=134837]Vayuu[/MENTION]
You're still not getting my point. As good as Vijay's 100s were they are NOT memorable and iconic. Flat pitch or not Azhar scored against some of the best oppositions out there. Most of Dhoni's best innings came on paratha pitches but nobody cares because they came in iconic victories or draws against quality opposition. Same with Jayawardene and Sehwag. Vijay has scored better 100s in places Dhoni and Sehwagh can only dream to do but he is underappreciated because he never really was that impactful as them

 

[Vayuu]

[MENTION=139052]Acricketfan[/MENTION] [MENTION=25545]giri26[/MENTION] [MENTION=134837]Vayuu[/MENTION]
You're still not getting my point. As good as Vijay's 100s were they are NOT memorable and iconic. Flat pitch or not Azhar scored against some of the best oppositions out there. Most of Dhoni's best innings came on paratha pitches but nobody cares because they came in iconic victories or draws against quality opposition. Same with Jayawardene and Sehwag. Vijay has scored better 100s in places Dhoni and Sehwagh can only dream to do but he is underappreciated because he never really was that impactful as them

Excuse me, who are you to judge that, his knock at Brisbane and lord's were far better, you are more importantly forgetting it was bowlers, who disappointed us on both tours, vijay is a much better batsmen than ali, though ali is young.