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Hello everyone. I want to ask do you think Music is haraam. It is ramadhan this month so I am not listening to music but I listen to music when it isn't ramadhan or muhurram, safar or first 9 days of rabi ul awaal (shias understand). Many people say music is haraam but I don't believe so. Do you think Music is haraam?
 
hadi123 said:
Hello everyone. I want to ask do you think Music is haraam. It is ramadhan this month so I am not listening to music but I listen to music when it isn't ramadhan or muhurram, safar or first 9 days of rabi ul awaal (shias understand). Many people say music is haraam but I don't believe so. Do you think Music is haraam?
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Depends on the musician.
 
I dont understand why it matters either way.

Its music, what possible harm could it ever cause and how could it ever impact your faith.

Maybe its just me, but I dont see why people need consultation with every little thing in life, especially when dealing with a text written over a millenia before music became what it is today.

If you enjoy music, listen to it as often as you like
 
I agree with you both. Maybe Music which degrades women or talks about drugs and sex or is disrespectful to God is haraam but other than that I think we can listen to it
 
No.

But if you have a problem with it personally or have any doubts then you are free to not listen to it.
 
It's haram.

No two ways about it. For those who want to listen to it, you will come up with a million reasons to defend it,
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I dont understand why it matters either way.

Its music, what possible harm could it ever cause and how could it ever impact your faith.

Maybe its just me, but I dont see why people need consultation with every little thing in life, especially when dealing with a text written over a millenia before music became what it is today.

If you enjoy music, listen to it as often as you like
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Sadly much of subcontinent is stuck in this backward mentality where they have to look for every little answer in texts from thousand years ago. Not too optimistic about the future too, seems like religion obsession in those parts of the world will never end.
 
IF Music is haraam then why are there are so many talented Muslim musicians all over the world?

Sometimes it baffles me how much hold Islam has on some people. It's incredible, like a parasite taking over host central nervous system and controlling your rational thoughts and logic.
 
QazzarFan said:
IF Music is haraam then why are there are so many talented Muslim musicians all over the world?

Sometimes it baffles me how much hold Islam has on some people. It's incredible, like a parasite taking over host central nervous system and controlling your rational thoughts and logic.
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That is absurd logic
 
According to Zakir Naik:

Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt). Music engages a persons mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation. In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals. Here we find that it is because of music that the persons mind is intoxicated and the person deviates from the straight path. And Allah Knows the Best.

What a tool.
 
I like listening to music. But I have seen that whenever I listen to music I have hard time going back to pray salaat; basically in my case music keeps me away from performing religious duties. May be I have addiction to music. So I have cut down on listening music and Insha Allah one day will stop listening it altogether.
 
Found a hadith somewhat related to the subject:

"Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house when two girls were beside me singing songs of Bu’ath. The Prophet laid down and turned his face to the other side. Then, Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet?” The Prophet turned his face toward him and he said, “Leave them alone.” When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled to the girls and they left. It was the day of celebration (eid) and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears. Either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and the Prophet was saying, “Carry on, O tribe of Arfida.” I became tired and the Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 907, Sahih Muslim 892"
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You could say the Prophet (PBUH) didn't see anything wrong with the singing and dancing on a joyous occasion such as eid, and just saw it as a form of harmless enjoyment.

Make of it what you will.
 
If music is haram then pretty much everything is haram.

Why play cricket when you could be studying religion?
Why join forums when you could be studying religion?
Why go outside when you could study religion instead?

I just dont understand, if the whole reason God put us here is to devote our entire lives to prayer then I wonder what the point of the whole thing is when you apparently everything in life is forbidden in some way, why even bother creating the world then?

Its very controlling tbh, not unlike some cults like Scientology (not saying Islam is a cult, just that its strict)

My (most likely worthless) advice? Do and listen to what makes you happy, and if God is willing to put you in hell for eternity for listening to Kodaline over reading the same millenia old verse for the 50th time then you may as well not bother with the whole thing and give up.

Not to mention half if not more of the religious figures in the world lecturing others on whats right and wrong are likely engaged in more immoral activities than any normal person
 
There is neither explicit, nor implicit prohibition of music by the prophet or his companions, or earlier prophets. In fact, Prophets David and Solomon were well-known to play music.
 
It's an absurd question to begin with.

It's like asking if sexual relations are haram.

The definition of music is :

'vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.'

It depends on the music.

No Muslim can argue watching a music video of Lady Gaga is halal.

Similarly, no Muslim can argue the vocals of Muslim signing about love, family, God, religion, life etc is haram.

Its the content which should be questioned.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
If music is haram then pretty much everything is haram.

Why play cricket when you could be studying religion?
Why join forums when you could be studying religion?
Why go outside when you could study religion instead?

I just dont understand, if the whole reason God put us here is to devote our entire lives to prayer then I wonder what the point of the whole thing is when you apparently everything in life is forbidden in some way, why even bother creating the world then?

Its very controlling tbh, not unlike some cults like Scientology (not saying Islam is a cult, just that its strict)

My (most likely worthless) advice? Do and listen to what makes you happy, and if God is willing to put you in hell for eternity for listening to Kodaline over reading the same millenia old verse for the 50th time then you may as well not bother with the whole thing and give up.

Not to mention half if not more of the religious figures in the world lecturing others on whats right and wrong are likely engaged in more immoral activities than any normal person
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I think donal you should refrain from discussing religions et all for that matter because you seem to be very ill informed especially when you called islam a strict religion when relatively its the the most relaxed abrahamic religion. You prolly are too naive to have such sort of discussions.

For the thread as per my personal believe goes and as Islam asks us to use qiyas and ijma that is to to use our damn brain i would say that as per logic goes music is not bad if its lyrics are fine. Dont expect music to be fine while listening to kayne west talking about smacking booty lol.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I dont understand why it matters either way.

Its music, what possible harm could it ever cause and how could it ever impact your faith.
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It is the universal language and can rapidly change the mood of the listener. The musician therefore has great responsibility for good or ill.

Look at Glastonbury to see 120,000 bathed in happiness when Lionel Richie was on.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I think donal you should refrain from discussing religions et all for that matter because you seem to be very ill informed especially when you called islam a strict religion when relatively its the the most relaxed abrahamic religion. You prolly are too naive to have such sort of discussions.

For the thread as per my personal believe goes and as Islam asks us to use qiyas and ijma that is to to use our damn brain i would say that as per logic goes music is not bad if its lyrics are fine. Dont expect music to be fine while listening to kayne west talking about smacking booty lol.
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LOL what
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Yep. Have you read jewish or christian texts? Except of saying lol wut. Its better to go read.
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Christians don't believe that the bible is infallible because they believe it is the word of man. That's why they're not strictly bound by it. That's also why you see continuous reform in what used to be Christian dominant countries. You don't have laws or traditions that are purely based on scripture, they have evolved or died out. That's why you can have such things legalized here as homosexual marriage, etc even though it is in direct conflict with Christianity.

Can you say this about Islam?
 
filthyfulltoss said:
Christians don't believe that the bible is infallible because they believe it is the word of man. That's why they're not strictly bound by it. That's also why you see continuous reform in what used to be Christian dominant countries. You don't have laws or traditions that are purely based on scripture, they have evolved or died out. That's why you can have such things legalized here as homosexual marriage, etc even though it is in direct conflict with Christianity.

Can you say this about Islam?
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Take a look at vatican city and what follows there. Not the atheist europe or america.

Islam encourages the use of qiyas and ijma.
 
I only read about this accusation on the Internet.

Regardless I will always listen to music till I die.
 
I can state the names of scholars, quote hadiths and/or the Quran.

The bottom line remains, if you like music you will defend it to the hilt.

Why do i know this? Because i was one of them, i would defend listening to music and would make myself believe in some way it was ok. E.g. im not harming anyone else, its just music, they don't have bad lyrics etc etc.

I would strongly advise anyone who is 50/50 about it to conduct their own research into the matter. Those of you who like music, please dont encourage others to listen to it, enjoy it yourself and i pray you wil come to the same conclusion as me one day.
 
Funny how the "Muslims" are trying to justify something forbidden by trying to use common sense.
 
There was a show on geo about this when the movie Khuda Ke Liye released, it was a debate between 2 mullahs, one arguing for and one against.

My conclusion is that it all depends on the music and lyrics and what its objective is. Music is powerful and can motivate you to do things, good or bad depends on the music.

But you cant say that hamds and naats are halal and then say music is haram, that's just hypocrisy.
 
Its a rather sad way to live your life when you're constantly questioning yourself and your every action.

How listening to music makes you a lesser human being in the eyes of God is rather strange.

Lyrics that speak of womanising, pimping, drug dealing and glorifying violence probably fits the criteria of 'haram music' if there is such a genre.
 
There are 3 Hadith relating to musical instruments

The one that is most quoted where it states silk alcohol and musical instruments are unlawful

The one where the prophet pbuh let Aisha ra listen to two girls using musical instruments on Eid

And the one where the prophet talks of Hazrat dawuds singing


The 4 madhabs rule that music is haram

Imam Ghazali permits it as did abdullah ibn jafar
Modern scholars such as yusuf qaradawi have permitted it

The permissibility also has clauses such as the lack of obscenity and that it doesn't take over your life
 
Music is allowed in Islam according to Tahir ul Qadri


Dr.Khaled Zaheer



I think they're more credible then zakir naik, these two men follow fiqhs that the majority of Pakistanis always have.
 
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Deosai said:
So it haraam?at least in Arab Islam?
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Islam is Islam my friend. There is no Arab or Non Arab version of it neither can you pick and choose what you want to follow. As Chacha Kashmiri has already posted the relevant Hadeethes.

I have heard this "We can listen to Junoon or Pink Floyd because they didn't exist at the time of the revelation of the law, so its open to interpretation" many a time.

Islam isn't flexible when it comes to the forbidden. Either its allowed or not. Theres no two ways about it.
 
PCP_1 said:
Islam is Islam my friend. There is no Arab or Non Arab version of it neither can you pick and choose what you want to follow. As Chacha Kashmiri has already posted the relevant Hadeethes.

I have heard this "We can listen to Junoon or Pink Floyd because they didn't exist at the time of the revelation of the law, so its open to interpretation" many a time.

Islam isn't flexible when it comes to the forbidden. Either its allowed or not. Theres no two ways about it.
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I know you are an atheist but your interpretation of Islam is right

Ex gang members like Sohaib Webb and other imams like siraj wahhaj have done wonders with American youth , siraj has even appeared in a rap video himself
 
chacha kashmiri said:
I know you are an atheist but your interpretation of Islam is right

Ex gang members like Sohaib Webb and other imams like siraj wahhaj have done wonders with American youth , siraj has even appeared in a rap video himself
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I did a lot of research back in the day and have a very religious family and upbringing. Studying under the strict observarion of Arab scholars also didn't hurt neither did the 9 Umrahs and 2 Hajjs that Ive performed. My mother is a teacher of Fiqh and religious advisor to one of the Sheikhas. So I suppose my knowledge of Islam isn't that bad.
 
PCP_1 said:
I did a lot of research back in the day and have a very religious family and upbringing. Studying under the strict observarion of Arab scholars also didn't hurt neither did the 9 Umrahs and 2 Hajjs that Ive performed. My mother is a teacher of Fiqh and religious advisor to one of the Sheikhas. So I suppose my knowledge of Islam isn't that bad.
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LOL @ chacha Kahmiri and you called him an atheist!
 
PCP_1 said:
Yes, whats so unbelievable about it.
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It is unbelievable, somebody that has studied under an Arab scholar, has a mother who teaches fiqh and has gone to the holy lands a dozen time is an atheist...

you can't even enter Mecca if you're an ex Muslim
 
Deosai said:
It is unbelievable, somebody that has studied under an Arab scholar, has a mother who teaches fiqh and has gone to the holy lands a dozen time is an atheist...

you can't even enter Mecca if you're an ex Muslim
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Yes I can imagine it is not something that one comes across everyday.
I know that Non Muslims cannot enter within 50 kilometres of Makkah. However I doubt any scenario has ever arisen where a self advertised, non suicidal, ex-Muslim would want to enter Makkah and meet certain death.
 
PCP_1 said:
Yes I can imagine it is not something that one comes across everyday.
I know that Non Muslims cannot enter within 50 kilometres of Makkah. However I doubt any scenario has ever arisen where a self advertised, non suicidal, ex-Muslim would want to enter Makkah and meet certain death.
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lol and you did

Don't mean to sound nosy but how did you lose your faith after visiting the holy lands a dozen times & having an Islamic scholar as a mother?I'm just curious.
 
I find it difficult to believe this PCP_1 guy is a Pakistani. I think he should post a picture of his passport. :21:
 
Deosai said:
lol and you did

Don't mean to sound nosy but how did you lose your faith after visiting the holy lands a dozen times & having an Islamic scholar as a mother?I'm just curious.
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No, no, you misunderstood. I haven't returned to Makkah since I stopped practising Islam. That would be very hypocritical of me and also very offensive to those who believe.

Hmm I was a religious zealot before due to my childhood brainwashing but there was always something nagging at me (this was before I got married) in the back of my mind.

I started doing a lot of research and whenever I searched for logical answers through books, talking to various scholars on Umrahs and Hajjs etc and couldn"t find one it was always thats how it is and the reason it is like this is not for you to understand for you would not comprehend or the usual "Well thats how the way it is" which wasn't good enough for me.

One other major factor is I started travelling abroad at a very young age away from the closed Islamic societies and experienced many things that just didn't make sense outside the Islamic world. It opened my eyes in such a way that the same could nevet be achieved if I had continued in my quest for an ompnipotent being in the closed and limited Islamic lands.Also the more I travelled the more suffering I saw and that really severed my faith in God.

The rest was pretty much common sense.
 
This thread is amazing with amazing characters like PCP.

On-topic: Music orginated from Islam. It was the people who chose to use it the wrong way. So no not all music is harem. Just like with what you eat there is halal or haram. It applies the same thing to music.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I find it difficult to believe this PCP_1 guy is a Pakistani. I think he should post a picture of his passport. :21:
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Heh, I did post a picture of myself in that pics of PP members thread which is overshadowed generally with a concentration of Mamoon pictures.

I will post a copy of my passport as soon as I scan it, along with my credit cards and bank account details.
 
KingKhanWC said:
It's an absurd question to begin with.

It's like asking if sexual relations are haram.

The definition of music is :

'vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.'

It depends on the music.

No Muslim can argue watching a music video of Lady Gaga is halal.

Similarly, no Muslim can argue the vocals of Muslim signing about love, family, God, religion, life etc is haram.

Its the content which should be questioned.
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I like this answer
 
Music isn't haram. I think only bad music is. That's why I refrain from listening to sexually explicit songs but I listen to other music.
 
I read through the thread and people have given various views.

So what is the final verdict?
 
QazzarFan said:
IF Music is haraam then why are there are so many talented Muslim musicians all over the world?

Sometimes it baffles me how much hold Islam has on some people. It's incredible, like a parasite taking over host central nervous system and controlling your rational thoughts and logic.
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:))) what clownish reasoning
Alhamdullilah terrorism declared not to be haraam because many talented muslims are good at killing people


It is haram.
It is better for you to accept it is haraam and say you have a weakness and listen to it knowing it is wrong, rather than saying nah nah its tots halal so ill listen to it

dont change your religion
 
I piety those who deprive themselves of good music. They have to be the most boring people on earth!
 
He is wasting my time by saying he does umrah and hajj but is an athist. Never anything so stupid in my life.

Hence I said don't waste my time.
 
Kean0 said:
He is wasting my time by saying he does umrah and hajj but is an athist. Never anything so stupid in my life.

Hence I said don't waste my time.
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Somebody different to what is supposedly 'normal' - shock horror!
 
Lurker_Ind said:
So moderate means people who half follow the religion or pick and choose according to their convenience?
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Yes.

But the line is not black and white.

For eg Hindu Brahmins who should be practicing Vedas or teaching...are busy earning a living doing something else.

Brahmins like Sachin, Gavaskar, Kris Srikanth, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Rohit, Ashwin, Vijay, etc, etc have no business playing cricket and stuff. :P

The thing...we follow religion by defining "what is acceptable and what is not acceptable" for our time. That keeps changing as generations pass by. What is acceptable for us is not acceptable for our forefathers and the line goes like that.

Its a complex topic really.
 
Kean0 said:
He is wasting my time by saying he does umrah and hajj but is an athist. Never anything so stupid in my life.

Hence I said don't waste my time.
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do you know how time works? Not everything happens at once... let me break it down for you...

PCP was a muslim, did hajj

Now he is not a muslim, he doesn't do hajj

Wow, so complicated, right? Break out the math formulas for this one, still can't wrap my head around it.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes.

But the line is not black and white.

For eg Hindu Brahmins who should be practicing Vedas or teaching...are busy earning a living doing something else.

Brahmins like Sachin, Gavaskar, Kris Srikanth, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Rohit, Ashwin, Vijay, etc, etc have no business playing cricket and stuff. :P

The thing...we follow religion by defining "what is acceptable and what is not acceptable" for our time. That keeps changing as generations pass by. What is acceptable for us is not acceptable for our forefathers and the line goes like that.

Its a complex topic really.
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Hinduism is just nominal. Nobody can enforce it on any person. Nobody cares what you eat or do. Seen tons of Brahmins eat meat.
 
Kean0 said:
He is wasting my time by saying he does umrah and hajj but is an athist. Never anything so stupid in my life.

Hence I said don't waste my time.
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Well, I never really claimed to be an athist. I can't even draw a circle to save my life.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Hinduism is just nominal. Nobody can enforce it on any person. Nobody cares what you eat or do. Seen tons of Brahmins eat meat.
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Hinduism is a concept where anything and everything is supposedly ok. That doesn't mean its like that in texts.

That doesn't mean Brahmins can do whatever they please while following Vedic texts for other stuff.

All my Brahmin friends eat meat and drink when we all go out.

No big deal.

These are the same people who will marry in their same caste (most of them), perform thread ceremony, change their threads every August like all Brahmins do.

So the point is that pick and choose happens everywhere. No one is talking about enforcing anything on anyone.

You asked me about moderates and I am explaining that this is a complex concept.

At some level, all religious people are big hypocrites (includes me too). But sometimes....you gotta be a hypocrite or else life can be too difficult. That doesn't mean hypocrisy is right. Its still wrong.
 
A little research on Prophet Dawud aka David [PBUH] is needed to make informed comments on Music.
 
PCP_1 said:
No, no, you misunderstood. I haven't returned to Makkah since I stopped practising Islam. That would be very hypocritical of me and also very offensive to those who believe.

Hmm I was a religious zealot before due to my childhood brainwashing but there was always something nagging at me (this was before I got married) in the back of my mind.

I started doing a lot of research and whenever I searched for logical answers through books, talking to various scholars on Umrahs and Hajjs etc and couldn"t find one it was always thats how it is and the reason it is like this is not for you to understand for you would not comprehend or the usual "Well thats how the way it is" which wasn't good enough for me.

One other major factor is I started travelling abroad at a very young age away from the closed Islamic societies and experienced many things that just didn't make sense outside the Islamic world. It opened my eyes in such a way that the same could nevet be achieved if I had continued in my quest for an ompnipotent being in the closed and limited Islamic lands.Also the more I travelled the more suffering I saw and that really severed my faith in God.

The rest was pretty much common sense.
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And then you ended up on a Pakistani cricket site to tell us all about it just like shaykh and Qazzarfan. Such a heart warming story.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Strict view - Music is haram.

Moderate view - Music with bad lyrics is haram.
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More appropriate would be that the majority view is that it is haram, but there is a difference of opinion with some scholars of high ranking saying it is permissible within set limits.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
And then you ended up on a Pakistani cricket site to tell us all about it just like shaykh and Qazzarfan. Such a heart warming story.
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I don't think mine is a heart warming story, more of a heart boiling one given the users here.

Also I didn't really end up here, imma longa time here and given that Im a Pakistani and a cricket fan (the passion reignites every now and then) it was only a matter of time till I found myself back here.

I don't really know much about Qazzarfan but shaykh and I share a lot of similarities.

Kudos for the general alertness and pessimism though, I would have done the same. :troll #1
 
PCP_1 said:
I don't think mine is a heart warming story, more of a heart boiling one given the users here.

Also I didn't really end up here, imma longa time here and given that Im a Pakistani and a cricket fan (the passion reignites every now and then) it was only a matter of time till I found myself back here.

I don't really know much about Qazzarfan but shaykh and I share a lot of similarities.

Kudos for the general alertness and pessimism though, I would have done the same. :troll #1
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You should probably post on the cricket forum now and then just to maintain some credibility.
 
Another question in the matter of life, one needs to ask religious scholars:

Is crossing the road when signal is red, haraam ?
 
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