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Muslim parents permanently banned from protesting LGBT lessons outside school

Technics 1210 said:
Sorry mate that is not accurate.

You cannot use Freedom and Limits to describe the same thing.

In the UK, the law states, we have the right to freedom of expression, which is different to freedom of speech.

The phrase *Freedom of Speech* stems from political persecution, hence the freedom to criticise any government without fear of hindrance.

However these days, people make the mistake of equating freedom of expression with freedom of speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
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Of course I can - my freedom is limited. I cannot commit crime without consequences.
 
miandadrules said:
1. Teach what kind of stuff to primary school kids? Please provide some references so we can discuss what is and isn’t suitable.

I think that’s a fair request. At the moment it’s just vitriol.

2. I am adamant on stamping about prejudice and discrimination.

3. Once again when you can’t defend your position resort to ad hominem.

Please provide some proof of your paedo claim.

Also, I don’t belong to a faith that legitimise the said abuse, so your cognitive dissonance is on display.

4. Once again, you made a claim about certain teaching to certain age groups. Yet, you have given any facts let a lone any evidence. Teach what, to which age group.

Please be specific and provide some evidence so we can see what the truth is.

5. Teach what kind of relationship to which age group? Be specific.

Find out what resources are being used, what the syllabus is etc... and then you might have a point.
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You would like 6 year olds kids being told that marrying the same sex is good while I don't.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It feels like you're not willing to accept that.
I don't even need to quote any specific parts of the curriculum the whole premise of this is wrong

Why would you teach KIDS about this kind of stuff??
What would they understand?
They don't even know/think much about a heterosexual relationship what would they know or care about a homo one??

You keep on avoiding this question:
Why are you so adamant on teaching about relationships to a 7 year old kid???
Why can't you wait until they're 13 or 14???

What can a 7 year old kid possibly do to a gay or lesbian person??
 
Relic said:
You would like 6 year olds kids being told that marrying the same sex is good while I don't.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It feels like you're not willing to accept that.
I don't even need to quote any specific parts of the curriculum the whole premise of this is wrong

Why would you teach KIDS about this kind of stuff??
What would they understand?
They don't even know/think much about a heterosexual relationship what would they know or care about a homo one??

You keep on avoiding this question:
Why are you so adamant on teaching about relationships to a 7 year old kid???
Why can't you wait until they're 13 or 14???

What can a 7 year old kid possibly do to a gay or lesbian person??
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I am not avoiding anything.

I’m asking you to clarify what is being taught to 7 year olds? You’re just making hysterical rants. Please tell me exactly what is being taught and I can tell if I approve. Isn’t this what you did to draw your conclusion?

What are you talking about a 7 year old and a gay? It makes no sense on every level. Are you saying these lessons will lead to gay people molesting under age children?
 
miandadrules said:
Genius, it’s been proven as a hoax.
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Lol. This is what happens when you don't read the article.

The article is not about some random people complaining
The article has a poster where they're telling kids to touch themselves and that it's ok if they do it in the shower.

"gEniUs"
 
Relic said:
Lol. This is what happens when you don't read the article.

The article is not about some random people complaining
The article has a poster where they're telling kids to touch themselves and that it's ok if they do it in the shower.

"gEniUs"
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Sure and is it linked to something official?

Something that I can verify?
 
miandadrules said:
What criteria do you use to decide it is genuine?
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Mate, you know you've been caught lying. Why're you playing around??
Just be a man and admit that you were wrong.
What's with the "is it genuine?" Talk. Obviously it's genuine. Just look at it. You think someone will spend so much time to make a poster just for fake news??
If you think so then you're delusional
 
Tory MP David Davies said: ‘I and many other parents would be furious at completely inappropriate sexual matters being taught to children as young as six. These classes go way beyond the guidance the Government is producing and are effectively sexualising very young children.’
 
Relic said:
Mate, you know you've been caught lying. Why're you playing around??
Just be a man and admit that you were wrong.
What's with the "is it genuine?" Talk. Obviously it's genuine. Just look at it. You think someone will spend so much time to make a poster just for fake news??
If you think so then you're delusional
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So, let me get this straight.

You’re criteria of judging whether something is genuine or not is to decide on the effort one would make to on creating it?

Yes, I’m the delusional one.
 
Relic said:
Tory MP David Davies said: ‘I and many other parents would be furious at completely inappropriate sexual matters being taught to children as young as six. These classes go way beyond the guidance the Government is producing and are effectively sexualising very young children.’
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Just need the the source material that David Davies is commenting on and we’re good.

Not difficult. There syllabus, curriculum, reading lists.

Thanks.
 
miandadrules said:
So, let me get this straight.

You’re criteria of judging whether something is genuine or not is to decide on the effort one would make to on creating it?

Yes, I’m the delusional one.
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Are you actually serious or just trolling??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...X-given-compulsory-self-touching-lessons.html

Daily mail is the biggest tabloid newspaper in the UK. It may have satire pieces which are usually opinions but they've included proof on this one.
Documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday detail how All About Me classes involve pupils aged between six and ten being told by teachers that there are ‘rules about touching yourself’. An explanation of ‘rules about self-stimulation’ appears in the scheme’s Year Two lesson plan for six and seven-year-olds.

"Under a section called Touching Myself, teachers are advised to tell children that ‘lots of people like to tickle or stroke themselves as it might feel nice’. They are also instructed to inform youngsters that this may include touching their ‘private parts’ and, that while some people may say this behaviour is ‘dirty’, it is in fact ‘very normal’.

However, the youngsters are warned it is ‘not polite’ to touch themselves in public – it is an activity they should do when alone in the bath, shower or in bed.

In the same lesson, children are given scenarios which they must judge to be ‘OK’ or ‘not OK’.

In one, pupils are told that when a girl called Autumn ‘has a bath and is alone she likes to touch herself between her legs. It feels nice’."

Prove this wrong.
THIS is the syllabus or at least a part of it
 
Relic said:
Are you actually serious or just trolling??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...X-given-compulsory-self-touching-lessons.html

Daily mail is the biggest tabloid newspaper in the UK. It may have satire pieces which are usually opinions but they've included proof on this one.
Documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday detail how All About Me classes involve pupils aged between six and ten being told by teachers that there are ‘rules about touching yourself’. An explanation of ‘rules about self-stimulation’ appears in the scheme’s Year Two lesson plan for six and seven-year-olds.

"Under a section called Touching Myself, teachers are advised to tell children that ‘lots of people like to tickle or stroke themselves as it might feel nice’. They are also instructed to inform youngsters that this may include touching their ‘private parts’ and, that while some people may say this behaviour is ‘dirty’, it is in fact ‘very normal’.

However, the youngsters are warned it is ‘not polite’ to touch themselves in public – it is an activity they should do when alone in the bath, shower or in bed.

In the same lesson, children are given scenarios which they must judge to be ‘OK’ or ‘not OK’.

In one, pupils are told that when a girl called Autumn ‘has a bath and is alone she likes to touch herself between her legs. It feels nice’."

Prove this wrong
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So now DM is a credible source?

Should we believe what they say about Muslims too?

Look, it’s not difficult. These things aren’t done arbitrarily. There is official guidance. Pleas post something that we can actually verify.

Why is this so difficult.

You still haven’t answered the question on the criteria you use to verify if something is genuine.
 
barah_admi said:
I am struggling to see how you have answered anything here. Is your claim that if there are children around the British people no longer have the right to protest and freedom of speech/expression? Because that is all you have said.

"but but children..."

Mate you better come up with something fast or I will annihilate you on your hypocrisy and ignorance just like I have the likes of robert and mamoon.
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What you annihilated was a set of distortions and misquotes existing only in your head because you didn't read what I posted properly.

So really you just annihilated your own arguments.
 
miandadrules said:
So now DM is a credible source?

Should we believe what they say about Muslims too?

Look, it’s not difficult. These things aren’t done arbitrarily. There is official guidance. Pleas post something that we can actually verify.

Why is this so difficult.

You still haven’t answered the question on the criteria you use to verify if something is genuine.
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Your credible source:
http://www.standrewsbennprimary.co.uk/relationshiop-and-sex-education-scheme-spring-fever

A school where this is taught at.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1hcnkuY28udWt8d3d3fGd4OjI3ZGQxOTUzMGQyMjY5Njc

Read lesson 3.

If that's not enough:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1hcnkuY28udWt8d3d3fGd4OjQ0ZmQ5YTM2NzhiNzcyNGU

Read the words used.

This isn't JUST about them telling kids that homosexuality is normal.

Remember these are primary school kids.
PRIMARY.

So as I said, stop being ignorant

The year 1 and 2 kids are taught about sex-related stuff The actual words are not used and as shown by the document, they're taught that touching themselves is good.


There goes your claim. LOL
 
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Relic said:
Your credible source:
http://www.standrewsbennprimary.co.uk/relationshiop-and-sex-education-scheme-spring-fever

A school where this is taught at.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1hcnkuY28udWt8d3d3fGd4OjI3ZGQxOTUzMGQyMjY5Njc

Read lesson 3.

If that's not enough:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1hcnkuY28udWt8d3d3fGd4OjQ0ZmQ5YTM2NzhiNzcyNGU

Read the words used.

This isn't JUST about them telling kids that homosexuality is normal.

Remember these are primary school kids.
PRIMARY.

So as I said, stop being ignorant

The year 1 and 2 kids are taught about sex-related stuff The actual words are not used and as shown by the document, they're taught that touching themselves is good.


There goes your claim. LOL
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Thanks.

I will go through it and get back to you.

If I fail to do so, please prompt me.

Also, what does the claim you make affect the teaching of LGBTQ rights?
 
Relic said:
Tory MP David Davies said: ‘I and many other parents would be furious at completely inappropriate sexual matters being taught to children as young as six. These classes go way beyond the guidance the Government is producing and are effectively sexualising very young children.’
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I said very early on in this thread this isn't just a Muslim issue, although I get that it is tempting to present it as one given that it is a school with predominantly pupils where all the fuss has been caused.
 
Relic said:
Lol what a ****. Just coz I gave you some respect before doesn't mean you can start talking s**t. Don't get salty on me.
Don't give respect, you won't earn it back.

Bigotry 😂
Are you alright??

Don't you understand english??
It's a genuine question

They're not JUST teaching LGBTQ rights they're teaching about a lot more. They're teaching about sex between homos to PRIMARY school students.

Can't you understand that??

I wouldn't teach this to primary school kids.
It's my opinion and you have to accept it.

If you can't then STOP tagging me.

You should have stopped tagging me after I proved you wrong. You're WRONG about this ACCEPT it. Stop living in denial
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What could you possibly do if I continue to be salty?

So, now you’re stating that they are teaching pupils about homosexual sex before heterosexual?

Are you saying they should teach LGBTQ rights but not the sexual aspect?
 
miandadrules said:
What could you possibly do if I continue to be salty?

So, now you’re stating that they are teaching pupils about homosexual sex before heterosexual?

Are you saying they should teach LGBTQ rights but not the sexual aspect?
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So you're saying they should teach the sexual aspect to kids??
 
Relic said:
So you're saying they should teach the sexual aspect to kids??
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Once again, making blanket accusations.

All, I have said is that I’m in favour of teaching LGBTQ rights.

As to anything else I have asked for proof.

You’re the one attempting to conflate self-stimulation with LGBTQ rights.

It’s obvious you’re homophobic simply from the language you are using.

When you say teaching sexual aspect, you have to specify what and to what age group?

You still haven’t answered my question on what aspect of LGBTQ right teaching are you opposed to?
 
miandadrules said:
Once again, making blanket accusations.

All, I have said is that I’m in favour of teaching LGBTQ rights.

As to anything else I have asked for proof.

You’re the one attempting to conflate self-stimulation with LGBTQ rights.

It’s obvious you’re homophobic simply from the language you are using.

When you say teaching sexual aspect, you have to specify what and to what age group?

You still haven’t answered my question on what aspect of LGBTQ right teaching are you opposed to?
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I'm as much homophobic as you're anti-Islamic
This is what happens when you miss out on reading comprehension classes in school.

I'm opposed to teaching ANYTHING related to sex or relationships to kids.
The fact is that they're NOT only teaching gay marriage is right they're including everything else too.

Have you not read the documents I've sent?? lol
They're teaching masturbation to year 2 kids and saying it's "alright".
I'm against that.
 
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Relic said:
I'm as much homophobic as you're anti-Islamic
This is what happens when you miss out on reading comprehension classes in school.

I'm opposed to teaching ANYTHING related to sex or relationships to kids.
The fact is that they're NOT only teaching gay marriage is right they're including everything else too.

I'm against that.
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I anti-Islamic. But I’m not anti-Muslim.

But they’ve been teaching sex at primary school for decades. Why are you suddenly now opposed? What has changed suddenly for there to be such a visceral response.

Does disagreeing with one aspect of the programme mean the rest should be discarded?

So, you don’t want them to know that 2 men can get married and parent a child in the UK today (minus every single sexual connotation)?
 
Relic said:
I'm as much homophobic as you're anti-Islamic
This is what happens when you miss out on reading comprehension classes in school.

I'm opposed to teaching ANYTHING related to sex or relationships to kids.
The fact is that they're NOT only teaching gay marriage is right they're including everything else too.

Have you not read the documents I've sent?? lol
They're teaching masturbation to year 2 kids and saying it's "alright".
I'm against that.
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I would be against that too.

I’m against any sexualisation of children, be that in the west or the Islamic world.

But what does that have to do with LGBTQ rights?
 
miandadrules said:
I would be against that too.

I’m against any sexualisation of children, be that in the west or the Islamic world.

But what does that have to do with LGBTQ rights?
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I'm opposed to teaching anything relationship related to 7-8 year olds.
Whether it be hetero or gay
 
miandadrules said:
I anti-Islamic. But I’m not anti-Muslim.

But they’ve been teaching sex at primary school for decades. Why are you suddenly now opposed? What has changed suddenly for there to be such a visceral response.

Does disagreeing with one aspect of the programme mean the rest should be discarded?

So, you don’t want them to know that 2 men can get married and parent a child in the UK today (minus every single sexual connotation)?
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And I don't agree with Homosexuality but I don't care if someone is gay.

I don't see it as normal but I wouldn't care if someone else does.

This is something which you lack. You can't digest the fact that people may have opposing views to you
 
Robert said:
Fake news.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/aug/30/leaflets-falsely-claim-pupils-taught-masturbation-in-relationship-classes
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miandadrules said:
Already posted above but has been convenient ignored.

But they’ve all researched this in detail.
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So the BBC are involved in a conspiracy? Did they fake the MP, crisis actor? :)))

It seems you both are not clued up at all. Prob best to stop digging and move on from this thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-50124693
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I said very early on in this thread this isn't just a Muslim issue, although I get that it is tempting to present it as one given that it is a school with predominantly pupils where all the fuss has been caused.
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Its a national issue but it seems British Muslims complain, its their own insecurities. Am assuming those who are against the protesters are more than happy for their children to be taught 'self touch' classes. I can only imagine how much the kids learn with the parents when doing homework too.

Its disgusting, no man or woman with any honour or respect would support or be an apologist for this but we can see a few are.
 
Relic said:
I'm opposed to teaching anything relationship related to 7-8 year olds.
Whether it be hetero or gay
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And I think that’s reasonable. When you say anything about a relationship, how is that realistic? I’m talking a relationship not sex. You do appreciate the difference?

But children are definitely taught about relationships in there last two years of primary education for decades. You want that to stop and why?
 
miandadrules said:
And I think that’s reasonable. When you say anything about a relationship, how is that realistic? I’m talking a relationship not sex. You do appreciate the difference?

But children are definitely taught about relationships in there last two years of primary education for decades. You want that to stop and why?
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I CBA to talk about this anymore.
 
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KingKhanWC said:
So the BBC are involved in a conspiracy? Did they fake the MP, crisis actor? :)))

It seems you both are not clued up at all. Prob best to stop digging and move on from this thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-50124693
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It’s a fair point. I think you’re right. I’ll read in to it, thanks.

And I’m against the sexualisation of children.

But I ask again what has the teaching of LGBTQ rights have to do with self-stimulation and sex?
 
Relic said:
And I don't agree with Homosexuality but I don't care if someone is gay.

I don't see it as normal but I wouldn't care if someone else does.

This is something which you lack. You can't digest the fact that people may have opposing views to you
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If you don’t care then, why are you opposed to teaching that a family can constitute of same sex members (minus the sexual aspect you keep referring to)?

Absolutely, I can’t digest bigoted views.
 
miandadrules said:
It’s a fair point. I think you’re right. I’ll read in to it, thanks.

And I’m against the sexualisation of children.

But I ask again what has the teaching of LGBTQ rights have to do with self-stimulation and sex?
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Its all part of the new 2020 sex education. Some things may not be an issue , others are. However due to the age of the children, imo it's not necessary. But if you disagree, fine.

There is nothing more to say on this. I would advise you to research yourself and don't dismiss anything because it sounds strange, we live in strange times.,
 
miandadrules said:
If you don’t care then, why are you opposed to teaching that a family can constitute of same sex members (minus the sexual aspect you keep referring to)?

Absolutely, I can’t digest bigoted views.
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It's MY opinion.
I don't accept it.

What're you going to do about it?
Nothing
It's so ironic that you're calling me a bigot when you're the one who can't accept the fact that people CAN have different opinions to you

So just move on coz unlike you, I have a life and I don't want to waste anymore time on this discussion as it's going no-where. You keep on asking the same question and I replied like 4 times but you just can't accept my answer.

So as I said, I have a life and I CBA with this thread anymore.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its all part of the new 2020 sex education. Some things may not be an issue , others are. However due to the age of the children, imo it's not necessary. But if you disagree, fine.

There is nothing more to say on this. I would advise you to research yourself and don't dismiss anything because it sounds strange, we live in strange times.,
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I haven’t dismissed anything.

I wanted to highlight the rationale that is being used. And it’s evident that this vague teaching directive is used a smoke screen to abolish any form of LGBTQ rights teaching.

The syllabus has to be age specific. I feel that when children are taught about relationships they should be taught about the diversity of the surroundings.

When they are taught about sex, age-specific, then they should also be taught about the diversity of the world they live in.

Just like any programme it must be scrutinised and refined. But in all honesty what would those who object find acceptable with regards to LGBTQ rights teaching?
 
Relic said:
It's MY opinion.
I don't accept it.

What're you going to do about it?
Nothing
It's so ironic that you're calling me a bigot when you're the one who can't accept the fact that people CAN have different opinions to you

So just move on coz unlike you, I have a life and I don't want to waste anymore time on this discussion as it's going no-where. You keep on asking the same question and I replied like 4 times but you just can't accept my answer.

So as I said, I have a life and I CBA with this thread anymore.
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When have I stopped you from having an opinion. It doesn’t mean you won’t be held accountable for it.

So are you saying that any form of LGBTQ rights teaching at primary school is unacceptable? Their existence should not be acknowledged?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its a national issue but it seems British Muslims complain, its their own insecurities. Am assuming those who are against the protesters are more than happy for their children to be taught 'self touch' classes. I can only imagine how much the kids learn with the parents when doing homework too.

Its disgusting, no man or woman with any honour or respect would support or be an apologist for this but we can see a few are.
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I have a feeling a lot of the people here probably wouldn't want their kids - in primary school - to be taught this stuff either, but want to appear right on. I already called out the Indian who tried to have a dig at British Muslims on how LGBT rights are coming along in his country. No reply of course.
 
Robert said:
This info comes from the DoE.

A lot of kids are turning up to school these days not only illiterate but actually pre-verbal. Unable to talk. Unable to use the toilet. Their parents do nothing. So it falls to the schools to socialise them, to show it is not ok to touch their privates in public.
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Sure, help them use the toilet. This is nothing new, teachers have been doing this for decades.

Can you please make it clear what your view is regarding the self touching teaching? Surely you cannot support such backwardness?
 
HitWicket said:
I never stated I was unaware of what happened. The threats/intimidation, vulgar language, and accusations of criminal agendas are all public knowledge.



I'm unaware of how many people were there, the rest is all covered in the article I provided earlier (and other papers/the statement from the court). The protest hasn't been shut down, it's been moved down the road from the school after many months regularly occurring right outside. If you've got a regular protest occurring with members making the comments made above (particularly through megaphones and PA systems outside a school) then of course action is going to have to be taken.



If there are regular protests occurring involving the using of vulgar language, threats/intimidation or baseless accusations of criminal agendas then of course they should go through the same process.
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So now you know what happened. I'll ask again, how many people were there ? What accusations were made and wheres the evidence? And do you believe the use of vulgar language is against freedom of speech in the uk ? Also, may you define vulgar language?

moghul said:
Spend time with your children at home and give your religious and cultural training and education at home. Can;t change the country to follow your believe, or go back .
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Currently, under regulations is Britain parents are to be consulted when it comes to relationship lessons in school. The overwhelming number of parents for this school and school in north London (Jewish parents) were against it. The schools have gone against the will of the parents.

If we look at the laws of this country, the parents are actually in the right .
 
Relic said:
A school where this is taught at.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1hcnkuY28udWt8d3d3fGd4OjI3ZGQxOTUzMGQyMjY5Njc

Read lesson 3.

LOL
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I don't see anything wrong with lesson 3 as it is much about touching themselves as being touched by others and to tell them to stop in case they don't like it.

This is Lesson 3

"There are certain things that we all do - that aren’t always
considered polite - When is it ok to pick your nose? Or ****?
What are the rules at home - what about in public?

These are the same rules for touching your genitals too.

remember not everyone like to be touched in the same way -
think about tickling... If someone touches you in a way you
don’t like you can tell them to stop."

It is teaching children how it is acceptable to behave in public.

As for the touching the genitals part. Children are naturally curious about their bodies and continue to be more so as they grow. I studied about it while studying medicine but still wasn't sure and was somewhat shocked when I myself became a parent and saw this behavior in my own child and the children of some close friends.

I even asked some friends who had become doctors and went on to become pediatricians who said that it is completely normal and natural for your child to be curious about their own body and explore it. The children may be playing with themselves but their is nothing sexual about it. It is just our own adult perception of using these organs for sexual purposes but that is not the case with the children.


The main thing is to teach them that it is not a bad thing and let them know where it is acceptable to do so. Which is what the lesson is doing.

Here are some links if someone wants to actually learn more about it without all their preconceived notions.

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/behavior/facts-about-boys-girls-masturbation-kids/

https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...ol/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx --- This actually has a very good graph about what are normal behaviors in young children in behavior to what is uncommon and rarely normal or abnormal behavior so parents can distinguish and actually know when to get concerned. Although having being a parent myself you can usually get a sixth sense sort of feeling when something is wrong.
 
Schools told all lessons for five-year-olds should include gay and trans themes

As concern mounts over the new relationships and sex curriculum, the pressure group Stonewall says it should go further

Children as young as five should be taught about lesbian, gay and transgender issues in every subject, according to guidance issued to primary schools.

The voluntary guidance, from the campaign group Stonewall, has been launched to coincide with new relationships and sex education (RSE) lessons that will come into effect next September. Although parents will be allowed to remove their children from lessons focusing on sex, the relationships content is compulsory.

In design and technology lessons, teachers should use the rainbow flag to help 5 to 7-year-olds understand the meaning of colours, according to Stonewall, which says teaching about LGBT families and people must be “embedded” across school timetables. Another suggestion is that same-sex couples be used to teach children to count in maths lessons, with possible questions including, “How many biscuits are left at Fatima and Shanika’s wedding?”

Lesson plans in English could be built around a book, And Tango Makes Three, in which two male penguins hatch an egg in a zoo. The plans are accompanied by images of classroom displays about the penguin family.

For pupils aged seven and eight, a design and technology lesson plan suggests studying an Aids memorial quilt.

In computing, pupils could design a dress for Bailey, a boy who dreams of being a girl and is the main character in a picture book called 10,000 Dresses.

In religious education lessons, pupils should be taught about naming ceremonies for people who change gender, according to the guidance, which has been sponsored by the publisher Pearson and the Government Equalities Office (GEO) from a £1m grant awarded to LGBT organisations.

Andrea Williams, chief executive of Christian Concern, described Stonewall’s campaign for “acceptance without exception” as disguising a “manipulative agenda aimed brazenly at our youngest and most impressionable”.

She said: “The innocence of our children is being robbed by introducing them to concepts they cannot be expected to understand and from which they should be protected. This curriculum is deeply subversive. It should be scrapped.”

Tanya Carter, from the Safe Schools Alliance, a group of concerned parents, grandparents, teachers and others, said: “We are in favour of teaching about same-sex families, but we are concerned that the aim of challenging homophobia is being used to sneak gender ideology into the curriculum. It is being taught as fact that children can be born in the wrong body and are able to change sex, neither of which is true.”

Yesterday the Church of England published a prayer for parents with children at Church of England schools to read before consultations with head teachers over the new RSE lessons. Anticipating clashes between parents and schools, the prayer includes a plea for words to “heal, not hurt”.

Stonewall said: “Our new guide, Creating an LGBT-Inclusive Primary Curriculum, is a free voluntary resource for primary school teachers who want to make their classrooms inclusive and accepting of all young people.”


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...should-include-gay-and-trans-themes-2tqblg8hh
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Now the Times is coming out with stories of concern as they realise it's not just Muslim children who will be taught this nonsense.
 
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Robert said:
Explaining LGBT issues to schoolkids is not “enforcing the doctrine” - it is teaching acceptance and kindness.
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It is enforcing LGBT doctrine as religion's doctrine because it is not optional. If it is optional, then it is not enforcing doctrine on people against their wills. Liberal ideology or Religious ideology, enforcing on people against their wills is coercion regardless of how you paint it.

As for teaching acceptance and kindness, that appears to be not the case after all. If anything judging by the trend lately, those LGBT is pushing hatred towards straight community lately albeit silently.
 
If I ever have a kid, I may go for homeschooling. These public schools are getting worse day by day.

Who are pushing these agendas? It seems like there is an attempt to purposefully degrade society.
 
sweep_shot said:
If I ever have a kid, I may go for homeschooling. These public schools are getting worse day by day.

Who are pushing these agendas? It seems like there is an attempt to purposefully degrade society.
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On the top of it, those lifestyle courses that contradicts prior to the conservative beliefs are not optional. So it is compulsory will be dumped on the throat of parents and innocent kids --- literally. People who pointed out coercion at Religion's play are not seeing liberal's doctrine here in the same manner that is being pushed on the community against its wills. :facepalm:
 
mgtow said:
On the top of it, those lifestyle courses that contradicts prior to the conservative beliefs are not optional. So it is compulsory will be dumped on the throat of parents and innocent kids --- literally. People who pointed out coercion at Religion's play are not seeing liberal's doctrine here in the same manner that is being pushed on the community against its wills. :facepalm:
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It is good that I finished school so that I don't have to deal with this nonsense. I am really concerned about future generations. People should go to school to learn practical things like science, mathematics etc.
 
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have a feeling a lot of the people here probably wouldn't want their kids - in primary school - to be taught this stuff either, but want to appear right on. I already called out the Indian who tried to have a dig at British Muslims on how LGBT rights are coming along in his country. No reply of course.
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Spot on.

Most of the comments in this thread are from people who have no children, don't live in the UK, have no understanding of UK law. These people see the sensationalist headline as an opportunity to vent their tirade against Pakistan/Islam. Then to palm fact as fake news. All the usual tricks coming out.

As The Times article points out, this matter is not exclusive to Muslims; many parents from all races, colours, and creed, are raising concerns.

I predict the sheep will fall silent now.
 
In the end, it will be kids who will be confused as hell

The schools teaches something, and at home, parents will teach opposite and vice versa.

They will find it hard to follow which.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Sure, help them use the toilet. This is nothing new, teachers have been doing this for decades.

Can you please make it clear what your view is regarding the self touching teaching? Surely you cannot support such backwardness?
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Kids do this. They play ‘Mummies and Daddies’ with each other too. The teaching is about when and where it is appropriate. I should like to hear from primary school teachers to get context rather than jump to conclusions.
 
Itachi said:
In the end, it will be kids who will be confused as hell

The schools teaches something, and at home, parents will teach opposite and vice versa.

They will find it hard to follow which.
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The school has no right to impose the doctrine that goes against the nature of biological. We have too many kids being encouraged to change the gender through the surgically procedure endorsed by parents while the schools are pressurizing the straight children into doctrine suggesting their ways are backwards and making them feel like unacceptable for what they are. It is crime.
 
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mgtow said:
It is enforcing LGBT doctrine as religion's doctrine because it is not optional. If it is optional, then it is not enforcing doctrine on people against their wills. Liberal ideology or Religious ideology, enforcing on people against their wills is coercion regardless of how you paint it.

As for teaching acceptance and kindness, that appears to be not the case after all. If anything judging by the trend lately, those LGBT is pushing hatred towards straight community lately albeit silently.
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No more than learning music or chemistry is enforcing doctrine or coercion.

When you say the LGBT agenda pushes hate on heterosexuals, what is happening is that your straight privilege is being eroded as the LGBT catch up. To those who are privileged, increasing equality feels like persecution.
 
Robert said:
Kids do this. They play ‘Mummies and Daddies’ with each other too. The teaching is about when and where it is appropriate. I should like to hear from primary school teachers to get context rather than jump to conclusions.
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Not all kids do this. Most children are not into such games. Its up to the parents to teach according to their own morals and beliefs not for the state to tell others kids its ok to be gay, change sex, touch yourself etc.

Secular liberalism has gone looney.
 
Robert said:
No more than learning music or chemistry is enforcing doctrine or coercion.

When you say the LGBT agenda pushes hate on heterosexuals, what is happening is that your straight privilege is being eroded as the LGBT catch up. To those who are privileged, increasing equality feels like persecution.
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I don't think Muslim parents have ever protested about music or chemistry, in fact most appreciate the wide range of subjects taught in British schools. LGBT lessons are subjects which raise questions 5 year olds shouldn't be needing to address at that age. But then that is just my personal opinion, obviously morals are relative and what seemed absurd yesterday might seem fine today. Then opinions might switch again in another generation, that is how the world turns.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Not all kids do this. Most children are not into such games. Its up to the parents to teach according to their own morals and beliefs not for the state to tell others kids its ok to be gay, change sex, touch yourself etc.

Secular liberalism has gone looney.
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And when they don't bother, who is it up to?
 
Robert said:
And when they don't bother, who is it up to?
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Not the state. If another nation was pushing their views or morals we would call it fascism/communism.

Schools need to stick to the core subjects with P.E, nothing else.
 
Robert said:
No more than learning music or chemistry is enforcing doctrine or coercion.
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There are skills and there are lifestyle. LGBT is lifestyle that contradicts to majority of conservative populations. Your comparison makes sense if christian lifestyle/Islamic is being imposed on the community against their wills.

Poor choices of comparison considering one happens to be part of skills that teaches you to learn whereas other example is lifestyle that has nothing to do with the skills nor prepare you for life. If anything, it is brainwash - telling majority of conservative community that being straight is unnatural.

Make it optional and let people decide. If there was vote in the school, LGBT would be out of question.

When you say the LGBT agenda pushes hate on heterosexuals, what is happening is that your straight privilege is being eroded as the LGBT catch up. To those who are privileged, increasing equality feels like persecution.
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Now you understand why the straight community was right to keep LGBT at bay. Because LGBT is abomination which goes without saying in regards to nature plus proving why they are indeed hypocritical in nature who can't wait to flex their powers imposing their confused ideology on the majority of populations because they can't decide who they are.

LGBT is confused community who can't decide what they are. They were right to be reprimanded under the caring of the straight community for centurions. Now they are back in powers imposing their confused ideology on the rest of the worlds, it is chaos waiting to happen. It will be their self-destruction.
 
Robert said:
And when they don't bother, who is it up to?
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If i was to impose my ideology on your kid without permission to ensure that your kid must be Muslim studying Islamic courses as well as Islamic lifestyle by force negating your ideal principles as existent parent, would you still accept the decision? Anyone who justifies this act has to be cruel person. :facepalm:
 
DeadBall said:
I don't see anything wrong with lesson 3 as it is much about touching themselves as being touched by others and to tell them to stop in case they don't like it.

This is Lesson 3

"There are certain things that we all do - that aren’t always
considered polite - When is it ok to pick your nose? Or ****?
What are the rules at home - what about in public?

These are the same rules for touching your genitals too.

remember not everyone like to be touched in the same way -
think about tickling... If someone touches you in a way you
don’t like you can tell them to stop."

It is teaching children how it is acceptable to behave in public.

As for the touching the genitals part. Children are naturally curious about their bodies and continue to be more so as they grow. I studied about it while studying medicine but still wasn't sure and was somewhat shocked when I myself became a parent and saw this behavior in my own child and the children of some close friends.

I even asked some friends who had become doctors and went on to become pediatricians who said that it is completely normal and natural for your child to be curious about their own body and explore it. The children may be playing with themselves but their is nothing sexual about it. It is just our own adult perception of using these organs for sexual purposes but that is not the case with the children.


The main thing is to teach them that it is not a bad thing and let them know where it is acceptable to do so. Which is what the lesson is doing.

Here are some links if someone wants to actually learn more about it without all their preconceived notions.

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/behavior/facts-about-boys-girls-masturbation-kids/

https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...ol/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx --- This actually has a very good graph about what are normal behaviors in young children in behavior to what is uncommon and rarely normal or abnormal behavior so parents can distinguish and actually know when to get concerned. Although having being a parent myself you can usually get a sixth sense sort of feeling when something is wrong.
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Thanks for the above.

Hoping to get a chance to go through it.

There is quite a quagmire of ambiguity being created deliberately, which will take time to sift through.
 
mgtow said:
If i was to impose my ideology on your kid without permission to ensure that your kid must be Muslim studying Islamic courses as well as Islamic lifestyle by force negating your ideal principles as existent parent, would you still accept the decision? Anyone who justifies this act has to be cruel person. :facepalm:
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Sorry, how are the two the same?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Not the state. If another nation was pushing their views or morals we would call it fascism/communism.

Schools need to stick to the core subjects with P.E, nothing else.
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Since when have schools only focused on core subjects and PE.

And also what are you basing this on?

Before you start complaining that asking you to substantiate what your saying (I know how cruel of me). Your proposing something that would affect my daughters education and development, so the least I could ask is some proof.

But it seems you’re also favour of removing all religious sentiment from educational institutions too.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Not all kids do this. Most children are not into such games. Its up to the parents to teach according to their own morals and beliefs not for the state to tell others kids its ok to be gay, change sex, touch yourself etc.

Secular liberalism has gone looney.
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Once again what are you basing this “most kids don’t”?

You need to be told if it’s ok to be heterosexual or homosexual?
 
Robert said:
No more than learning music or chemistry is enforcing doctrine or coercion.

When you say the LGBT agenda pushes hate on heterosexuals, what is happening is that your straight privilege is being eroded as the LGBT catch up. To those who are privileged, increasing equality feels like persecution.
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its not about doctrination. In my view, schools can teach whatever is applicable to the society. But there should be building stones to it. In toddler years, one hardly notices difference between two biological genders. Then, you are bringing in psychological aspect to it. As i said, it's like teaching kids algebra, integration or differentiation without teaching addition or multiplication. It is bound to create confusion.

That's assuming the factor that, everyone in the society wants to incorporate it. If you are teaching it in late teens, then it is somewhat acceptable because by that time, one goes through experiences which makes him/her understand about her own identity. But in primary schools? Unless UK schooling system defines primary schools as different than desi schools, i only see further confusion waiting for it to happen.

Even adults have hard time grasping the concept of non binary, gender neutral, or even quer.
 
barah_admi said:
So now you know what happened. I'll ask again, how many people were there ? What accusations were made and wheres the evidence? And do you believe the use of vulgar language is against freedom of speech in the uk ? Also, may you define vulgar language?



Currently, under regulations is Britain parents are to be consulted when it comes to relationship lessons in school. The overwhelming number of parents for this school and school in north London (Jewish parents) were against it. The schools have gone against the will of the parents.

If we look at the laws of this country, the parents are actually in the right .
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[MENTION=139981]HitWicket[/MENTION]
 
And its ok to take over London to protest the jail term for a convicted thug and racist like Tommy Robinson
 
Syed1 said:
There is a reason why Canada is the best country in the world.
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That is questionable. Ever been to Quebec where you get a fine for putting english signs if you're a business owner? Laughing stock of canada ...
 
light said:
That is questionable. Ever been to Quebec where you get a fine for putting english signs if you're a business owner? Laughing stock of canada ...
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Sir I have lived 6 years in Montreal, so please don't teach me about Quebec. The situation is not as dire as you paint.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You are clueless again lol.

British Muslims are more integrated and more succesful than British Hindus.

Its not just Muslims but many others who are against such teaching to young children. Try researching it.

I would only say if they dont like the schools , they could send their kids elsewhere esp since Bham has Islamic schools.
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There is no such thing as "British Hindus" we don't see our selves as "Hindus".
 
Jewish schools 'pressurise parents to take children out of sex ed lessons'

Two Orthodox Jewish secondary schools in London have been accused of pressurising parents into taking their children out of sex education lessons.

The BBC has seen an email and heard a recording of the state-funded schools explaining how to withdraw pupils from mandatory relationships and sex education classes, which begin in 2020.

One school referred to a wish to stop the teaching of LGBT issues.

But it said "accusations of coercion" were "entirely false".

The email, sent to the Victoria Derbyshire programme by a mother who wished to remain anonymous, shows her daughters' school - Lubavitch Senior Girls' School in north London - asking parents to "prevent" relationships and sex education (RSE) classes.

"The problem is the government is making the subject mandatory in September 2020. However, parents have the right to opt out," it reads.

"Please exercise your right to prevent it being taught by responding to this email and saying that you do not wish your daughters to receive lessons in RSE."

The woman told the BBC she was "disgusted".

"I thought that my kids' school was pretty open as Orthodox schools go," she added.

Parents across England will have the right to withdraw their children from the sex education element of the secondary school lessons, but that decision should not be influenced by pressure from a school.

Pupils cannot be withdrawn from relationships lessons.

In primary schools, only Relationships Education (RE) is to be taught.

The mother believes the email was "designed to put a stop to RSE being taught" as a whole at the school, including the teaching of LGBT issues.

"The fact that people with different sexualities exist in the world is something that they don't want to expose their children to. I don't think they want to expose them to the concept of sex," she said.

Lubavitch Senior Girls' School told the BBC that if the parent concerned lodged her complaint according to its complaints policy, then it would be fully investigated. But she said she was too scared to do that.

The programme also obtained a recording from a different woman, after she was contacted by her child's state-funded school.

In the phone conversation, the staff member can be heard telling her: "We need parents to formally say, 'I do not want you to teach my child about single-gender relationships or sex education within the school', unless you do as a parent want that."

The mother - who did not wish to be identified - was asked to write a letter confirming this, which she said she did as she was "too scared" not to.

"Even though I thought it was imperative for my children to be given sex education, I felt I had to write it because I didn't want the school to think I don't agree with them on this."

She said she feared that within the community she'd "be thought of as not Jewish or completely weird, and I know I'd be alienated or ostracised.

"The truth is our children need sex education more than any other child in the country because our community is so insular," she added.

The school, Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls' School, said in a statement: "The vast majority of our families expect sex education to be given privately, within the family, at home. They do not expect their children to be given sex education in a school classroom.

"It is therefore very important that we let parents know that their child will be given sex education at school - unless they opt out."

It added it was merely giving parents information on how to withdraw pupils were it their choice, adding: "Accusations of coercion against our school are entirely false."

One woman, now in her 20s, who attended Yesodey Hatorah, said textbooks had been redacted when she was a pupil, with words "blacked out".

"In science, we didn't learn about evolution, we didn't learn about reproduction, we didn't learn anything regarding sex ed at all."

She was taught about sex only weeks before her wedding at age 19, by a woman sent to give her bridal lessons.

She eventually fled before the marriage and left the community.

Layla Moran, the Liberal Democrats' education spokesperson, called for the Department for Education to "have its own investigation into these schools".

"They clearly don't want to teach these subjects. That is counter to the guidelines, but it is also counter to the spirit of the Equality Act which is the very same act that protects religious freedoms," she added.

Ms Moran said that if further investigations did find either state-funded school to be refusing to teach the national curriculum or "unduly influencing its own parental community", it would need to be "seriously looked at".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50566453

I wonder if the Anti-Islam brigade have anything to say about the above; they've been awfully silent of late.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Oh now Gods chosen people are against this. Time to put this subject under the carpet soon.
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I wonder if I will be labelled an antisemitic just for posting the link.

I doubt those blowing hot smoke in this thread will return now.
 
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