Muslim parents permanently banned from protesting LGBT lessons outside school

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Parents who are angry that their children are being taught about LGBT equality have been permanently banned from protesting outside their school, a judge has ruled.

Anderton Park Primary School in Birmingham has been the scene of repeated demonstrations this year, with those involved attempting to argue that the lessons on same-sex relationships contradict their religious beliefs.

The protesters, who are Muslim, have lined up with banners, placards and loudspeakers to get their point across, prompting angry exchanges with supporters of the school including Labour's Jess Phillips.

Headteacher Sarah Hewitt-Clarkson told Sky News earlier this year the demonstrations were "homophobic" and revealed some members of staff have had to receive counselling.

An exclusion zone to stop the protests was implemented via an interim injunction back in June, amid safety fears about increasingly large groups often featuring people with no direct connection to the school or the local area.

Birmingham City Council sought a court order to further protect the school and extend the ban, which has now been granted by High Court judge Mr Justice Warby.

He made his decision following a five-day hearing held last month, which will anger opponents who had described the council application as a "super-injunction".

The judge ruled the injunction "does not amount to unlawful discrimination against the protesters".

He added that the protesters had "misunderstood and misrepresented that is being taught at the school", and that the lessons did not feature sex education and were not "promoting homosexuality".

Protests are being held outside school gates over the teaching of gay relationships at a school with predominantly Muslim pupils.

'We are far from homophobic'

The ruling has been welcomed by Birmingham City Council and the trade union NAHT, which represents leaders in the majority of schools and has supported those affected by the protests.

Paul Whiteman, general secretary of NAHT, said: "These protests have been widely and rightly condemned and they should now be brought to an end with immediate effect."

He added: "We will continue to support schools where disagreements persist because diversity and equality are a matter of fact and a matter of law and learning about equality and diversity is not optional."

Dr Tim O'Neill, director of education at the council, said he was "really pleased for the pupils, staff, parents and wider community" and condemned the protests for attracting "fringe elements" who stoke "division and hatred".

Protesters unhappy that their children have been taught that it is "okay to be gay" have argued that such lessons contradict their religious beliefs, although some of those involved do not have children at the school.

One such person is Shakeel Afsar, one of the ringleaders of the demonstrations, who has previously told Sky News that his "people are being pushed into a corner".

Another Birmingham primary school, Parkfield Community School, pulled its LGBT teaching programme to consult with parents after similar demonstrations and a death threat sent to headteacher Andrew Moffat.

Ms Hewitt-Clarkson has been adamant that nothing will change at her school and told the hearing last month that protesters were "inciting hatred".

She told Birmingham's Civil Justice Centre: "I have seen many tweets and texts and video messages by the protesters that shows they are not interested in consultation.

"There are many things that I have seen and heard over the past nine months, particularly posted by some of the defendants, that are inciting hatred."

Despite the controversy in Birmingham, the government has maintained that parents will not get a veto when compulsory relationship lessons begin as planned from September 2020.

https://news.sky.com/story/parents-...otesting-lgbt-lessons-outside-school-11870548

 

[Varun]

Even before clicking on the thread I knew it would be a story out of the UK.

 

[Relic]

Even before clicking on the thread I knew it would be a story out of the UK.

and?

What's your point?

 

[Varun]

and?

What's your point?

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

 

[mgtow]

That shows how freedom of speech is being respected. When it comes to anti-Islam, it is freedom. Otherwise, ban when Muslims do it.

 

[troodon]

What age are the kids that are being taught LGBT lessons? I mean which grade the kids are in?

 

[KingKhanWC]

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

You are clueless again lol.

British Muslims are more integrated and more succesful than British Hindus.

Its not just Muslims but many others who are against such teaching to young children. Try researching it.

I would only say if they dont like the schools , they could send their kids elsewhere esp since Bham has Islamic schools.

 

[Varun]

British Muslims are more integrated and more succesful than British Hindus.

Please state your definition of "succesful" for the above.

 

[Syed1]

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

In Norway a guy was burning the Quran in the middle of a square under police protection and it was a huge spectacle with lots of attendees. Then one Turkish lad couldn't bear the Quran being burned he jumped it and tried to stop the Quran burner, guess who was arrested by the police.

While I don't agree with this protest and I feel kids should be taught to teach all humans as humans, but you cannot deny the parents the rights to protest what is being taught to their kids. This freedom of speech b.s. always comes in when it's against Muslims.

 

[Technics 1210]

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

Mate you do not live in the UK, leave it there.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are clueless again lol.

British Muslims are more integrated and more succesful than British Hindus.

Its not just Muslims but many others who are against such teaching to young children. Try researching it.

I would only say if they dont like the schools , they could send their kids elsewhere esp since Bham has Islamic schools.

Bro, do not feed the troll. He is on a wind up, and his entire opinion on this matter is based on waffle found on the internet.

He has no idea of how there are Jewish schools/parents in the UK whom are protesting against the teaching of such controversial issues. No idea of how Christians parents are protesting against the teaching of such controversial issues. No idea of how Atheists parents are protesting against the teaching of such controversial issues.

He read a headline from SKY news - cough cough - read the word *Muslim* - cough cough - and as expected, sensationaised what is already a sensationalist piece of news because it is hunting season for Muslims around the world - cough cough.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Freedom of speech doesnt exist these days.

 

[Relic]

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

This isn't even about gay rights lol.
At least read the article.
It's about teaching sexuality lessons to kids.

So now teaching 7-8 year olds kids is the norm in Britain? You will have to accept it to be referred to as "integrated"?

The parents clearly said if such classes were held only in Secondary school then they wouldn't oppose it. Even non-Muslim parents are agreeing with them.

What's a 8 year old going to do with such information? Firstly, what's he/she even going to understand?
This isn't education. This is indoctrination.

 

[Varun]

So now teaching 7-8 year olds kids is the norm in Britain? You will have to accept it to be referred to as "integrated"?

The parents clearly said if such classes were held only in Secondary school then they wouldn't oppose it. Even non-Muslim parents are agreeing with them.

What's a 8 year old going to do with such information? Firstly, what's he/she even going to understand?
This isn't education. This is indoctrination.

Clearly, the courts don't agree on the matter.

 

[Relic]

Clearly, the courts don't agree on the matter.

Courts don't agree with protesting outside schools as it disrupts the traffic flow.
They don't disagree with the reason for the protests.

It is the parents' right to object what's being taught to their kids. If they can't even do that,why do these western countries boast about having freedom of speech?

 

[Technics 1210]

This isn't even about gay rights lol.
At least read the article.
It's about the sex ed classes that are being taught to PRIMARY school students.
PRIMARY FGS.

So now teaching 7-8 year olds kids is the norm in Britain? You will have to accept it to be referred to as "integrated"?

The parents clearly said if such classes were held only in Secondary school then they wouldn't oppose it. Even non-Muslim parents are agreeing with them.

What's a 8 year old going to do with such information? Firstly, what's he/she even going to understand?
This isn't education. This is indoctrination.

No mate, this is child abuse. On one hand they teach this stuff, then in the science class down the corridor they are taught a male and female are required for humans to reproduce.

Like you said, the guy has not read the article. The issue is not with teaching LGBT, the issue is WHEN LGBT is taught in a child's education.

If people think a 7-8 year old should be told of the realities of the world, why stop here? Lets show them what war and the consequences of war are really like!

 

[Technics 1210]

Courts don't agree with protesting outside schools as it disrupts the traffic flow.
They don't disagree with the reason for the protests.

Please, do not make the matter any worse than it is for him.

 

[Varun]

Courts don't agree with protesting outside schools as it disrupts the traffic flow.
They don't disagree with the reason for the protests.

There is no mention of traffic in the OP:

He made his decision following a five-day hearing held last month, which will anger opponents who had described the council application as a "super-injunction".

The judge ruled the injunction "does not amount to unlawful discrimination against the protesters".

He added that the protesters had "misunderstood and misrepresented that is being taught at the school", and that the lessons did not feature sex education and were not "promoting homosexuality".

 

[Relic]

There is no mention of traffic in the OP:

SMH

This is free speech and is allowed. What are you even trying to argue?
Why would protests be allowed in front of a school? It's common sense. Their opinion isn't unlawful it's their method. Look at the message not the messenger.
Would you teach your (hypothetical) 7 year old about this??

Also, stop making it into a "muslim" issue, many non-muslims have applauded this act.

Read the top comments of this video and you'll know EXACTLY what I'm talking about:
https://youtu.be/APrjqAtgrw4

 

[JaDed]

Protesters unhappy that their children have been taught that it is "okay to be gay" have argued that such lessons contradict their religious beliefs, although some of those involved do not have children at the school.

The above is not promotion, if anything its making sure its not a big deal, like religion.. just doesn’t matter whatever you are.

Is homeschooling allowed in UK?

 

[Itachi]

SMH

This is free speech and is allowed. What are you even trying to argue?
Why would protests be allowed in front of a school? It's common sense. Their opinion isn't unlawful it's their method. Look at the message not the messenger.
Would you teach your (hypothetical) 7 year old about this??

Also, stop making it into a "muslim" issue, many non-muslims have applauded this act.

Read the top comments of this video and you'll know EXACTLY what I'm talking about:
https://youtu.be/APrjqAtgrw4

I'll agree with you for the very reason that I too feel it is indoctrination rather than freedom to think. A kid of 8-9 years is just learning about the reproductive phenomenon. Gender fluidity, LGBTQ.... Etc will add to its confusion.

It's like teaching multiplication and division without teaching addition and subtraction. Let it be when the kid is 16-17 years at least where he or she learns how to think by himself or herself.

 

[JaDed]

I'll agree with you for the very reason that I too feel it is indoctrination rather than freedom to think. A kid of 8-9 years is just learning about the reproductive phenomenon. Gender fluidity, LGBTQ.... Etc will add to its confusion.

It's like teaching multiplication and division without teaching addition and subtraction. Let it be when the kid is 16-17 years at least where he or she learns how to think by himself or herself.

A 7 yr old is brainwashed with religion though, reason being early on they pick up things and biases.
So why not ,not teach about religion as well, clearly it doesn’t seem to be straightforward and he might develop bias and dislike?
[MENTION=151618]Relic[/MENTION] I’m sure you can agree religion is complicated as well? Unless that is simple?

 

[JaDed]

In Norway a guy was burning the Quran in the middle of a square under police protection and it was a huge spectacle with lots of attendees. Then one Turkish lad couldn't bear the Quran being burned he jumped it and tried to stop the Quran burner, guess who was arrested by the police.

While I don't agree with this protest and I feel kids should be taught to teach all humans as humans, but you cannot deny the parents the rights to protest what is being taught to their kids. This freedom of speech b.s. always comes in when it's against Muslims.

Not in Canada.. I’m sure you see how they out of way to be Liberal esp GTA..

The recent NHL firing is another thing..

 

[Syed1]

Not in Canada.. I’m sure you see how they out of way to be Liberal esp GTA..

The recent NHL firing is another thing..

There is a reason why Canada is the best country in the world.

 

[Relic]

A 7 yr old is brainwashed with religion though, reason being early on they pick up things and biases.
So why not ,not teach about religion as well, clearly it doesn’t seem to be straightforward and he might develop bias and dislike?

[MENTION=151618]Relic[/MENTION] I’m sure you can agree religion is complicated as well? Unless that is simple?

I don't think schools teach religion like that. It's not indoctrination at least. They have RE lessons where they learn about different religions and if the parents don't want their child to be taught about a certain religion then they just contact the school and it gets sorted.
The parents can do whatever they want in my opinion as the kids are THEIR offspring. So the parents can teach them about the LGBT people or about religion at the age of 2 for all I care. They are the parents so they get that freedom. But when the parents don't want their children to be taught about certain stuff then it's their right to protest against it. If the schools were teaching in the form of indoctrination about Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. without the parent's consent then that would be wrong and I don't agree with that either.

 

[Itachi]

A 7 yr old is brainwashed with religion though, reason being early on they pick up things and biases.
So why not ,not teach about religion as well, clearly it doesn’t seem to be straightforward and he might develop bias and dislike?

[MENTION=151618]Relic[/MENTION] I’m sure you can agree religion is complicated as well? Unless that is simple?

I am an atheist. I hold the same view towards religion too.

 

[Rana]

No way are my children going to be taught that it is ok to be homosexual.

 

[Technics 1210]

People are confusing upbringing with brainwashing.

A child is raised within a family, and the environment at home, thus a product of the home. What are these fools trying to tell us? That religious parents are brainwashing their children because their child sees them going to church every Sunday? It is brainwashing to thank the Good lord throughout the day because your child see you so? It is brainwashing to say grace at the dinner table because a child is saying a prayer? By this logic Atheists raised in their home were also brainwashed into disregarding the existence of other beliefs.

Brainwashing is when a young girl, Greta, poor child, is brainwashed into thinking her future was robbed by the Carbon bandits. At what expense? She is bunking school.

According to the anti-religious, it's ok to raise a child thinking all those who subscribe to religion are wrong, but not the other way round.

Oh, when some of you actually have kids, then you will know, children learn more at school through other children, than they do at home.

Most of these self proclaimed Atheists didn't decide to become atheists at home, they most likely did so once they passed puberty and experienced life.

 

[HitWicket]

No way are my children going to be taught that it is ok to be homosexual.

Would you have issue with them being taught to be accepting of others that are homosexual?

 

[JaDed]

I don't think schools teach religion like that. It's not indoctrination at least. They have RE lessons where they learn about different religions and if the parents don't want their child to be taught about a certain religion then they just contact the school and it gets sorted.
The parents can do whatever they want in my opinion as the kids are THEIR offspring. So the parents can teach them about the LGBT people or about religion at the age of 2 for all I care. They are the parents so they get that freedom. But when the parents don't want their children to be taught about certain stuff then it's their right to protest against it. If the schools were teaching in the form of indoctrination about Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. without the parent's consent then that would be wrong and I don't agree with that either.

Fair points, but they are only teaching its ok to be homosexual, am sure they teach them freedom of religion in UK at some point, its similar to be ok if someone is homosexual, one should not be discriminated.

Are you saying schools shouldn’t have moral science? I think because homosexuals have been discriminated and killed in the past its ok to teach tolerance to young minds.

 

[Relic]

Fair points, but they are only teaching its ok to be homosexual, am sure they teach them freedom of religion in UK at some point, its similar to be ok if someone is homosexual, one should not be discriminated.

Are you saying schools shouldn’t have moral science? I think because homosexuals have been discriminated and killed in the past its ok to teach tolerance to young minds.

It should be taught to teenagers because at least they'll understand what's being taught to them unlike the young kids.
I don't think young kids even know about sexuality hence will not discriminate anyone coz of it. When they get older, they'll get more aware and that's when they should be taught about it because a teenager is less likely to get indoctrinated than a primary school kid.

As for them only teaching "homosexuality is ok", that's not correct. They might say that but they actually go quite in-depth about it. This is also one of the reasons why I think it should be taught to teenagers instead of primary school kids.

 

[miandadrules]

It should be taught to teenagers because at least they'll understand what's being taught to them unlike the young kids.
I don't think young kids even know about sexuality hence will not discriminate anyone coz of it. When they get older, they'll get more aware and that's when they should be taught about it because a teenager is less likely to get indoctrinated than a primary school kid.

As for them only teaching "homosexuality is ok", that's not correct. They might say that but they actually go quite in-depth about it. This is also one of the reasons why I think it should be taught to teenagers instead of primary school kids.

You’ve obviously researched this greatly.

I think you can clear up the confusion by showing which specific point in the curriculum and resources used that you think shouldn’t be taught to this age group.

Thank you in advance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bro, do not feed the troll. He is on a wind up, and his entire opinion on this matter is based on waffle found on the internet.

He has no idea of how there are Jewish schools/parents in the UK whom are protesting against the teaching of such controversial issues. No idea of how Christians parents are protesting against the teaching of such controversial issues. No idea of how Atheists parents are protesting against the teaching of such controversial issues.

He read a headline from SKY news - cough cough - read the word *Muslim* - cough cough - and as expected, sensationaised what is already a sensationalist piece of news because it is hunting season for Muslims around the world - cough cough.

These new guidelines are being criticised by many. They have noW extended such teaching to a whole different level, as I posted on another read not long ago!

Sex education lessons in UK schools advise kids aged 6 about 'touching private parts'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-education-lessons-uk-schools-20144000

 

[Relic]

You’ve obviously researched this greatly.

I think you can clear up the confusion by showing which specific point in the curriculum and resources used that you think shouldn’t be taught to this age group.

Thank you in advance.

Refer to KingKhanWC's post. It'll tell you a lot more than I can.

Also, the parents of the children don't want to teach their children such stuff so the school has to abide by the rules. They can't just force it on the kids.

 

[Technics 1210]

Education at home is a dying breed now. These days social media has taken over and with the amount of gutter filth that is readily accessible - it is just off the scale. [I am not talking about porn]. If you want to see real brainwashing in action, look no further than social media.

Then there are TV shows and movies. I mean when was the last time anyone here watched a proper family movie, devoid of any profanity, nudity, sex, or reference to social taboos etc? I now sometimes have to proof watch shows before they are watched at home [Supergirl series for example!] The rating on movies/TV shows do not mean squat anymore. Heck, I even created a Kids profile on Netflex, and some of the shows available are not for kids at all!

Thankfully working in Telecoms I have restricted access, but I feel sorry for regular parents who have to deal with the challenges of children accessing quality and friendly material.

 

[Rana]

Would you have issue with them being taught to be accepting of others that are homosexual?

Not at all.

Respect for all human beings. But no such thing as sexual attraction to the same gender. This is not ‘natural’ and my freedom of expression allows me to believe in this as a fact.

 

[Relic]

Education at home is a dying breed now. These days social media has taken over and with the amount of gutter filth that is readily accessible - it is just off the scale. [I am not talking about porn]. If you want to see real brainwashing in action, look no further than social media.

Then there are TV shows and movies. I mean when was the last time anyone here watched a proper family movie, devoid of any profanity, nudity, sex, or reference to social taboos etc? I now sometimes have to proof watch shows before they are watched at home [Supergirl series for example!] The rating on movies/TV shows do not mean squat anymore. Heck, I even created a Kids profile on Netflex, and some of the shows available are not for kids at all!

Thankfully working in Telecoms I have restricted access, but I feel sorry for regular parents who have to deal with the challenges of children accessing quality and friendly material.

Some of the stuff rated PG15 wouldn't even be shown to the 18+ in the Indian Subcontinent.

If you oppose nudity, you are called backward. Such is the state of the world now.

Decency is associated with being backward

 

[KingKhanWC]

Refer to KingKhanWC's post. It'll tell you a lot more than I can.

Also, the parents of the children don't want to teach their children such stuff so the school has to abide by the rules. They can't just force it on the kids.

You don't need to argue such sexual behaviour shouldn't be taught in the curriculum. Anyone who thinks their 6 year old child should learn how to 'self touch' needs to look in the mirror if he/she is a responsible parent. These teachings are all linked.

 

[JaDed]

Most of these self proclaimed Atheists didn't decide to become atheists at home, they most likely did so once they passed puberty and experienced life.

Yes and similarly its ok if a person picks up on religion after leaving home.

I’m from religious Brahmin family's as I grew into my teens I didn’t show interest in religion so my Father tried forcing it and I resisted made me further away from idea of religion but I feel am somewhere at peace with it now and not an atheist or close to it, Yes i do have a bias towards atheism coz I see what China has achieve through brute force for their people ( morally they are wrong )but It’s not like I don’t go to temple, still do it at times for myself and other times for my parents happiness

The problem is making it political and teaching it young , the child will be unable to comprehend, it is form of a brainwash because you are being made to follow procedures that if anything creates trouble settling in modern societies and other times can lead to discrimination against UK citizens.

And not saying that its ok to teach adhering to religion is false as well, IDEALY it can be explained its ok to have whatever your belief is without discrimination.

 

[HitWicket]

Not at all.

Respect for all human beings. But no such thing as sexual attraction to the same gender. This is not ‘natural’ and my freedom of expression allows me to believe in this as a fact.

Bit of a tangent but if you believe there's no such thing as sexual attraction to the same gender what do you believe is the cause of homosexual relationships?

 

[JaDed]

Refer to KingKhanWC's post. It'll tell you a lot more than I can.

Also, the parents of the children don't want to teach their children such stuff so the school has to abide by the rules. They can't just force it on the kids.

So will parents decide on each chapter in Physics and Chemistry too?

 

[Rana]

Bit of a tangent but if you believe there's no such thing as sexual attraction to the same gender what do you believe is the cause of homosexual relationships?

It’s a long, long debate. Not bothered to go into the detail of my reasoning. But I don’t think it is ok for Kids to be in an environment where it is acceptable for boys to have feelings for boys and girls to have feelings for girls. This is what schools are encouraging these days otherwise the kids will grow up homophobic.

I was fortunate to have evaded this and my kids are going to get the same opportunity

 

[troodon]

No way are my children going to be taught that it is ok to be homosexual.

What if your kid turns out to be a homosexual? It is not something they choose to be. They are born that way. Blame should go on the creator who made them homo

 

[troodon]

Unless the parents are using violence and disrupting the school proceedings, they should not be banned.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes and similarly its ok if a person picks up on religion after leaving home.

I’m from religious Brahmin family's as I grew into my teens I didn’t show interest in religion so my Father tried forcing it and I resisted made me further away from idea of religion but I feel am somewhere at peace with it now and not an atheist or close to it, Yes i do have a bias towards atheism coz I see what China has achieve through brute force for their people ( morally they are wrong )but It’s not like I don’t go to temple, still do it at times for myself and other times for my parents happiness

The problem is making it political and teaching it young , the child will be unable to comprehend, it is form of a brainwash because you are being made to follow procedures that if anything creates trouble settling in modern societies and other times can lead to discrimination against UK citizens.

And not saying that its ok to teach adhering to religion is false as well, IDEALY it can be explained its ok to have whatever your belief is without discrimination.

OK I understanding the point about forcing, and I definitely do not agree with forcing a view, but forcing an ideology is not exclusive to religion. However families have discipline at the home, rules of the house. I have certain principles in my house which must not be broken come rain, sleet, or shine, and these principles may seem arcane, or backward, but they've worked for generations!

I have not bought my kids a smartphone, they have a bog standard Nokia phone for calls and SMS (battery life is weeks !). I've told them I will buy them the top of the range Smartphone when they pass their GCSEs. no Whatsapp, no FB, no Snapchat etc. Is this me depriving my children of life's necessities - Militant Muslim parent bans smartphone at home - or me being a diligent and protective parent who understands how the world operates?

Taboo subjects, such as homosexuality, are mainly politicised by the media. Sure you get the elderly at home who love talking about the past and politics, but that's just old age wisdom talking, and as a grandchild, I found it to be fun seeing them argue! But never was I told to support a particular view.

You got to understand one thing, in the UK certainly, we do not live in an accepting society, we live in a tolerant society.

 

[HitWicket]

Unless the parents are using violence and disrupting the school proceedings, they should not be banned.

Hilariously it seems one of the reasons the protests were banned from immediately outside the school is because the judge deemed the kids were being exposed to more sexual and aggressive language outside the school than they were inside of it. Apparently one Imam was shouting at teachers through a megaphone about how they were promoting a paedophilic agenda and **** sex. He was also apparently shouting about how the headteacher was a 'devil' who needed to be 'broken'. This was all in front of the children (of which the Imam had none at the school).

 

[Relic]

So will parents decide on each chapter in Physics and Chemistry too?

Now you're just clutching at straws

 

[Relic]

Hilariously it seems one of the reasons the protests were banned from immediately outside the school is because the judge deemed the kids were being exposed to more sexual and aggressive language outside the school than they were inside of it. Apparently one Imam was shouting at teachers through a megaphone about how they were promoting a paedophilic agenda and **** sex. He was also apparently shouting about how the headteacher was a 'devil' who needed to be 'broken'. This was all in front of the children (of which the Imam had none at the school).

Do you have a link to this claim?
If so, do share

 

[HitWicket]

Do you have a link to this claim?
If so, do share

It's been reported in several major papers. Here's a link to the guardian as an example: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-row-protester-invited-imam-high-court-hears.

 

[Rana]

What if your kid turns out to be a homosexual? It is not something they choose to be. They are born that way. Blame should go on the creator who made them homo

Tell yourself that, and celebrate that.

 

[Relic]

It's been reported in several major papers. Here's a link to the guardian as an example: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-row-protester-invited-imam-high-court-hears.

Thanks

 

[mgtow]

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

It is not progressive if it is against the nature and the crime of nature which undermines the innocent of the nature. Imposing this doctrine on the kids at the early age? They are pushing the kids to the limits which to the extent they are planning to launch sexual stimulant training for the kids at the young age.

There is limit to it. This kind of trend are undermining the innocent of nature big time. Let the kids be the kids. They don't need sexual stimulating courses and LGTB nonsense courses. It is not progressive. Rather it is criminal for what it is. In the past, they would have been arrested for the sexual allegations but today, they are officializing the practice of it. It is absurd for what it is.

Thank GOD for the conservative parents and GOD-fearing parents that they are keeping those sexual freaks and unstable community with confused genders at bay as long as they can. You are welcome for the safety of your kids if they happen to live in UK. Same absurd are spreading all over the worlds.

 

[mgtow]

What if your kid turns out to be a homosexual? It is not something they choose to be. They are born that way. Blame should go on the creator who made them homo

Medical reports disputed that with the evidences. There is no such thing as born homosexual. Men are men and women are women. As for being attracted to either the opposite gender or same gender, that has nothing to do with the born-that-way.

 

[troodon]

Medical reports disputed that with the evidences. There is no such thing as born homosexual. Men are men and women are women. As for being attracted to either the opposite gender or same gender, that has nothing to do with the born-that-way.

I am not saying men are not men. They are biological men. But their sexual orientation is .....

Can you point to me the scientific evidence that shows that People are not born homosexuals?

 

[troodon]

Tell yourself that, and celebrate that.

Don't get upset. Any person can have a kid who can turn out to be a homosexual.

 

[Technics 1210]

Some of the stuff rated PG15 wouldn't even be shown to the 18+ in the Indian Subcontinent.

If you oppose nudity, you are called backward. Such is the state of the world now.

Decency is associated with being backward

This is the biggest irony of them all in the UK. We are considered advance if our women are paraded as sexual objects, but are backwards if our women dress with dignity.

It is unreal how the UK has changed in the past 40+ years. Unreal.

 

[Rana]

Don't get upset. Any person can have a kid who can turn out to be a homosexual.

I feel you are getting upset about my views. No child is naturally born homosexual, and you can tell yourself otherwise if it makes you happy or consoles you

 

[world cup captain]

I feel you are getting upset about my views. No child is naturally born homosexual, and you can tell yourself otherwise if it makes you happy or consoles you

Just curious now that you say homosexuality is not natural. How do you explain homosexuality is animals?

 

[Technics 1210]

These new guidelines are being criticised by many. They have noW extended such teaching to a whole different level, as I posted on another read not long ago!



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-education-lessons-uk-schools-20144000

Disgusting. An adult touching the parts of a child is a crime, but the authorities are promoting self-touching as education. This country has gone mad.

 

[topspin]

Whilst I don't agree with these teachings to Infant School Kids, the nature of the protests have been disgraceful and completely uncivilised as epitomised by the comments of that "Imam". Shakeel Ansar (lead protestor), also has a lot to answer for as well.

The protest ban is warranted. If you can't see that, put yourself in the Headteacher's shoes or any of her colleagues working at that school.

Imagine how we would feel if we were to see the far-right swarming in and harassing kids and teachers outside an Islamic School.

I'm far from perfect but the Ummah could do with more etiquette when handling such matters. It's this kind of extremist fanatic type of behaviour that not only fuels Islamophobia, but also pushes young Muslims away from the Deen.

Time for the local community involved in these protests to self-reflect and take a good at themselves.

 

[Technics 1210]

Whilst I don't agree with these teachings to Infant School Kids, the nature of the protests have been disgraceful and completely uncivilised as epitomised by the comments of that "Imam". Shakeel Ansar (lead protestor), also has a lot to answer for as well.

The protest ban is warranted. If you can't see that, put yourself in the Headteacher's shoes or any of her colleagues working at that school.

Imagine how we would feel if we were to see the far-right swarming in and harassing kids and teachers outside an Islamic School.

I'm far from perfect but the Ummah could do with more etiquette when handling such matters. It's this kind of extremist fanatic type of behaviour that not only fuels Islamophobia, but also pushes young Muslims away from the Deen.

Time for the local community involved in these protests to self-reflect and take a good at themselves.

The far-right do swarm in, on social media and the news. Islamic schools are under persistent attack day in day out. Criticised from top to bottom. You do not need boots on the ground to protest/harass anymore.

 

[TSA321]

Whilst I don't agree with these teachings to Infant School Kids, the nature of the protests have been disgraceful and completely uncivilised as epitomised by the comments of that "Imam". Shakeel Ansar (lead protestor), also has a lot to answer for as well.

Yes, disgraceful how he met Katie Hopkins (on a side note, she recently seems to have gained a huge number of Indian fans)

 

[Rana]

Just curious now that you say homosexuality is not natural. How do you explain homosexuality is animals?

Do I care if dolphins want to mate with same sex dolphins??

Humans and majority homosexual animals are not even a comparison. No animal is capable of mentally evolving to a peak where it could build a nuclear bomb. So why do pro LGBT rights users use this as an argument? Pathetic as all of their reasons

 

[Relic]

Yes, disgraceful how he met Katie Hopkins (on a side note, she recently seems to have gained a huge number of Indian fans)

What did he do to Katie Hopkins?

 

[Relic]

Whilst I don't agree with these teachings to Infant School Kids, the nature of the protests have been disgraceful and completely uncivilised as epitomised by the comments of that "Imam". Shakeel Ansar (lead protestor), also has a lot to answer for as well.

The protest ban is warranted. If you can't see that, put yourself in the Headteacher's shoes or any of her colleagues working at that school.

Imagine how we would feel if we were to see the far-right swarming in and harassing kids and teachers outside an Islamic School.

I'm far from perfect but the Ummah could do with more etiquette when handling such matters. It's this kind of extremist fanatic type of behaviour that not only fuels Islamophobia, but also pushes young Muslims away from the Deen.

Time for the local community involved in these protests to self-reflect and take a good at themselves.

Islamic schools are vandalised WAY, WAY more times than normal schools.
Inappropriate stuff is written on the wall most of the time.

 

[HitWicket]

What did he do to Katie Hopkins?

I believe they're referring to how he met with Katie Hopkins to discuss their protests given she's also homophobic, despite her wide range of Islamophobic views and comments as well.

 

[Relic]

I believe they're referring to how he met with Katie Hopkins to discuss their protests given she's also homophobic, despite her wide range of Islamophobic views and comments as well.

I see. Thanks for the clarification

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Islamic schools are vandalised WAY, WAY more times than normal schools.
Inappropriate stuff is written on the wall most of the time.

I don’t think there’s a problem with the kurriculum
Parents need to accept it or get reported to PReVeNT

You can’t be brainwashing minds with your backward views in this day and age

 

[Relic]

I don’t think there’s a problem with the kurriculum
Parents need to accept it or get reported to PReVeNT

You can’t be brainwashing minds with your backward views in this day and age

What are you saying?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

What are you saying?

I agree with the banning of protests

 

[mgtow]

I am not saying men are not men. They are biological men. But their sexual orientation is .....

Can you point to me the scientific evidence that shows that People are not born homosexuals?

Google it. You will find tons of genuine articles disputing that people are born homosexuals. People are confusing chemistry or attraction with born-that-way. There is no such thing as homosexual.

It is rather type than born-that-way. In general, there are two genders; men and women. At the end, whether one gender is attracted to the opposite of gender or same gender has nothing to do with being born-that-way biologically as medical sources confirms that.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Do not agree with the ban , nor the protest .

 

[troodon]

Google it. You will find tons of genuine articles disputing that people are born homosexuals. People are confusing chemistry or attraction with born-that-way. There is no such thing as homosexual.

It is rather type than born-that-way. In general, there are two genders; men and women. At the end, whether one gender is attracted to the opposite of gender or same gender has nothing to do with being born-that-way biologically as medical sources confirms that.

Could not find a valid scientific article on it. You post the link and I will see.

 

[ElRaja]

when i was in school teachers could pull out kids from sex ed on religious grounds, does this not happen now?

afaik as the story goes, homosexuality is part of british society, and if teachers aren't teaching it kids will just figure it out off the internet.

we were taught evolution in school but many muslims i know dont believe in it still. a school lesson cant undo religous beliefs.

i taught in a shcool where some muslim kids as young as 5 and 6 told me their parents told them not to interact with non-muslim kids.

yes parents have the ultimate right to teach their kids what they want. but they don't have the right to censor them from other points of view, some parents are dumb as door knobs.

 

[mgtow]

Could not find a valid scientific article on it. You post the link and I will see.

Are you sure? A simple search displayed tons of articles effortlessly. Perhaps you don't want to hear as you would like.

Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior


This one should suffice although if you google it with effort even though this requires effortless, you will find tons of articles with tons of information. For now click on the link since you are too lazy.

 

[Captain caveman]

The law is the law, and everyone has to abide by it, no matter how much you might disagree with it.
I respect the parents for protesting against something that they did not agree with, but the judge has now banned these protests and the parents should abide by his decision. To be honest, noisey protesting every day outside a primary school was over the top and quite intimidating for staff and pupils.
Do i agree with the subject matter?
I would prefer that no religious or sexual education be taught at schools.
The school insists that its not sexual education but diversity education, so i guess thats fine, kids will see such things as they grow up in western countries and being informed doesnt hurt anyone. Could the education authorities have started these lessons in secondary school, when the kids were older, in there early teen? I think that would have been better, but the education authority has decided that prmary age is the correct age to start these lessons.

At the end of the day, many things will be taught in school which is not islamic, evolution, sexual education and precautions etc.
All you can do is talk to your kids about your own values at home and hopefully they will share your beliefs.

 

[KingKhanXi]

Right decision. Deport these people to the country where they belong.

 

[karthikc]

In Western countries, you say 1 word against LGBT and you will be ostracized..What is there to be so proud about LGBT?

The crowd for gay parades in Israel is like Kumbh Mela..pathetic

 

[DeadBall]

Humans and majority homosexual animals are not even a comparison. No animal is capable of mentally evolving to a peak where it could build a nuclear bomb. So why do pro LGBT rights users use this as an argument? Pathetic as all of their reasons

This is the single most incoherent paragraph in this thread and that's saying something.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My point is that Muslim residents of the UK aren't as well integrated as their counterparts around the world - especially in America. The world moves several steps toward gay rights with every passing year, while these guys prefer to cause a monthly ruckus under the guise of democratic freedom.

Since a court has banned the protests, even that excuse doesn't hold up in this context.

Out of interest, are they teaching LGBT lessons in India yet? I know you reside there so am assuming when you speak of the rest of the world taking steps towards gay rights you are lecturing from a position of self assurance at home.