Muslims need to create a political body

[Wave your flag]

If Muslim people want an international response to issues affecting Muslims then they need to create a political body responsible for just that. It used to be called the Caliphate.

From Russia to Kashmir to Uyghurs in china, India, Palestine and Burma Etc. Muslims around the world are being persecuted and discriminated against. I don't know why people expect an international response. Surely Kashmir is an example of how little the international community care. People all over the world care, but governments do not.

The fact of the matter is the EU and the "white world" is protected by NATO. The Russians and the Chinese are military and economic superpowers in their own right. The Indians aspire to be the same. If Muslim countries want to have influence and an equal say they either individually need to become super powers (not possible in my opinion, most Muslim countries don't even have first world living standards), or they need to combine their resources and efforts (like the EU).

If there was threat of a credible military response, this would not have happened in Burma. Pakistan and India would be sat on the table talking about Kashmir, Israel would not be commiting genocide in Palestine. You cannot negociate from a position of weakness and expect fairness or parity. Until Muslim society accepts this and puts the collective good ahead of individual good, we will be treated unfairly.

 

[PakLFC]

Muslim leaders don't even discuss the atrocities on coreligionists and you expect some political group to be formed? It will be as ineffective and useless as the OIC is. Before anything else we need honest leaders who care for their own country before they do about other Muslim's. Let's try to walk first before we think of running.

 

[big_gamer007]

Muslim countries are fighting against each other they don't have time for anyone else.. This whole idea of Muslims should stick together Muslims this Muslims that is flawed and you can see it in current scenario.. Every country has its own interests and if to fulfil those they have to go against their so called Muslim brothers the sharp politicians would do it..

 

[Yossarian]

If Muslim people want an international response to issues affecting Muslims then they need to create a political body responsible for just that.

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Now that is really funny. Hilarious in fact.

Now which particular faction of Muslims will be leading such a body? The Shia Iranians? The Wahabi Saudi Arabians? Those wanting strict enforcement of Sharia (Taliban, Isis, etc)?

And is that before or after they hack each other to pieces during their first board meeting?

 

[Varun]

Let geographic and strategic circumstances dictate your friends and enemies, not religion. The EU, ASEAN and others aren't based on Christianity or Buddhism are they?

Muslim countries are hardly the paragons of friendship with each other anyway, so this will continue to remain a dream at best.

 

[Black Zero]

OIC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Let geographic and strategic circumstances dictate your friends and enemies, not religion. The EU, ASEAN and others aren't based on Christianity or Buddhism are they?

Muslim countries are hardly the paragons of friendship with each other anyway, so this will continue to remain a dream at best.

If only India could lead the way in this regard. Somehow a failed state has ended up in the hands of China instead of the country which had every geographical and cultural advantage in it's hand.

 

[Varun]

If only India could lead the way in this regard. Somehow a failed state has ended up in the hands of China instead of the country which had every geographical and cultural advantage in it's hand.

Pakistan is not a failed state. It is a developing economy with some problems that confront every country of its kind.

You're fast hurtling to the status of a failed poster however, with constant deviations from thread topics, typical BritPak insecurities and snobbishness, and whataboutisms packed into every second or third post.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If Muslim people want an international response to issues affecting Muslims then they need to create a political body responsible for just that. It used to be called the Caliphate.

From Russia to Kashmir to Uyghurs in china, India, Palestine and Burma Etc. Muslims around the world are being persecuted and discriminated against. I don't know why people expect an international response. Surely Kashmir is an example of how little the international community care. People all over the world care, but governments do not.

The fact of the matter is the EU and the "white world" is protected by NATO. The Russians and the Chinese are military and economic superpowers in their own right. The Indians aspire to be the same. If Muslim countries want to have influence and an equal say they either individually need to become super powers (not possible in my opinion, most Muslim countries don't even have first world living standards), or they need to combine their resources and efforts (like the EU).

If there was threat of a credible military response, this would not have happened in Burma. Pakistan and India would be sat on the table talking about Kashmir, Israel would not be commiting genocide in Palestine. You cannot negociate from a position of weakness and expect fairness or parity. Until Muslim society accepts this and puts the collective good ahead of individual good, we will be treated unfairly.

And what happens when Muslims themselves are the ones doing the killing and persecution? Syria, Yemen, Iraq etc - these are places where Muslim nations (or groups sponsored by Muslim nations) have killed way more innocent civilians than Israel, India, Burma ever have.

 

[Pakpak]

Muslims already have political bodies. They're called the OIC and the Arab League. Both as pointless as each other.

 

[Napa]

If only India could lead the way in this regard. Somehow a failed state has ended up in the hands of China instead of the country which had every geographical and cultural advantage in it's hand.

Pakistan is not a failed state. It is a developing economy with some problems that confront every country of its kind.

You're fast hurtling to the status of a failed poster however, with constant deviations from thread topics, typical BritPak insecurities and snobbishness, and whataboutisms packed into every second or third post.

While Pakistan is not yet a failed state, so say that it only has problems similar to every country of its kind is a severe underestimation of the nature of problems it faces. Is it "developing"? No, new industries are not being developed. New industries cannot be developed if investment doesn't come from abroad, and right now in the minds of most investors Pakistan is one of the top terrorist ridden countries.

I don't think the destiny of Pakistan should be a choice between ending up in China or India's hands. It is a country large enough to create its own destiny. But Cpt Rishwat is right, it is increasingly looks to China for salvation, something that can only end badly. Varun of the other hand isn't in touch with reality.

 

[Markhor]

There is one - the OIC.

One of the biggest white elephants in the world.

 

[troodon]

Every country looks after the interests of its own citizens. Religion is nothing but a tool that rich and elite use to fool masses.

 

[KingKhanWC]

OIC is a just a collection of Muslims nations with different political views who talk and discuss matters.

Muslims have been strategically taken over since WW1, borders made, puppet leaders put in place backed by strong military bases of other nations.

Until they take control of their own affairs nothing will change but the balance of power fluctuates over centuries. Muslims will always believe in a collective group, it's part of their religion so its just a matter of time before they gain power as a large entity as we have seen in previous times.

 

[troodon]

OIC is a just a collection of Muslims nations with different political views who talk and discuss matters.

Muslims have been strategically taken over since WW1, borders made, puppet leaders put in place backed by strong military bases of other nations.

Until they take control of their own affairs nothing will change but the balance of power fluctuates over centuries. Muslims will always believe in a collective group, it's part of their religion so its just a matter of time before they gain power as a large entity as we have seen in previous times.

Agreed. It's all a conspiracy of west to divide Muslims and put them down.

 

[PakLFC]

This concept of the so called Ummat/h is farcical. The Holy Prophet(saw) comment of Muslim's being like one body was most likely a general one. It is only people like Zaid Hamid who believe in such nonsense today really meaning anything. No Muslim country would support Pakistan if we went to war against anyone tomorrow. This Ummat/h thing is nowhere too be seen in Palestine, IoK, Chechnya, Burma, Iraq, Syria or any other trouble spot where Muslim's are suffering. Pakistanis only have one home that is their own country, in a case of war no one else would ever take us in.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Agreed. It's all a conspiracy of west to divide Muslims and put them down.

The events of World War and the creating of borders, installing puppet rulers and building bases to protect them was very much real unfortunatley.