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"Mustafizur Rahman has got the skill set, X-factor Wasim Akram had" : Dale Steyn

Its ridiculous how people compare anyone and everyone to Wasim.No one is Wasim,not even close.
 
Prince_ said:
If Bangladesh had started playing cricket when NZ/Australia started playing it or if they had the cricketing infrastructure like they have now before 90s or 80s than they would have won at least couple of world cups by now :shakib

We r talking about only one fizz here. If they had the facilities like they have now they would've produced at least half a dozen atg bowlers by now.

After Sri Lanka they r the only team who have improved vastly within a very short span of time :srini
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And all this is based off what? Producing one (still unproven) bowler in the Fizz?? Not sure what is driving your assumptions, but sure man, whatever floats your boat.
 
Prince_ said:
If Bangladesh had started playing cricket when NZ/Australia started playing it or if they had the cricketing infrastructure like they have now before 90s or 80s than they would have won at least couple of world cups by now :shakib

We r talking about only one fizz here. If they had the facilities like they have now they would've produced at least half a dozen atg bowlers by now.

After Sri Lanka they r the only team who have improved vastly within a very short span of time :srini
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Afghans???
 
Purbasha T said:
I'm sure you never predicted where Starc would be now when he had a modest start? :)
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Did you even understand my post? I never even rated starc when he was new but I am talking about what he has become, the skills that he has now can't be replicated by everyone, he's become once in a generation kind of bowler, the fizz has physical limitations, that's why he can't reach starc's level, it is not hard to see, unless there is a miracle and the fizz suddenly increases his pace and learns to swing, even then he will find it very very hard to reach near starc because starc swings it with immaculate control, starc is 6'6" and he swings it at 150ks, how many bowlers in the history of cricket have possessed this ability? Only a delusional fan will think that fizz can ever reach that
 
carrom_ball said:
Did you even understand my post? I never even rated starc when he was new but I am talking about what he has become, the skills that he has now can't be replicated by everyone, he's become once in a generation kind of bowler, the fizz has physical limitations, that's why he can't reach starc's level, it is not hard to see, unless there is a miracle and the fizz suddenly increases his pace and learns to swing, even then he will find it very very hard to reach near starc because starc swings it with immaculate control, starc is 6'6" and he swings it at 150ks, how many bowlers in the history of cricket have possessed this ability? Only a delusional fan will think that fizz can ever reach that
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Good assessment. Starc is an excellent bowler who can swing the ball at express pace and he has shown his capabilities in the last odi world with his lethal swing bowling.


But why do u belive that fizz will have to replicate the skills of Starc or even wasim in order to become successful. Fizz himself has his own set of skills which is quite different from likes of wasim or Starc.


Remember u won't have to swing the ball prodigiously in order get the nick. A little bit of swing in the air with a bit of Seam movement from pitch is enough for a bowler to fool the best of the best batsman.


McGrath also wasn't as flashy as wasim but he had his own set of skills. I m not saying that fizz is future McGrath or he can bowls like him. What I m saying is McGrath worked on his skill, improved them and became one of the greatest fast bowler of all time.


Why can't fizz do the same. Remember having skill is one thing but having the ability to implement or use that skill is entirely different matter. :)
 
Prince_ said:
If Bangladesh had started playing cricket when NZ/Australia started playing it or if they had the cricketing infrastructure like they have now before 90s or 80s than they would have won at least couple of world cups by now :shakib

We r talking about only one fizz here. If they had the facilities like they have now they would've produced at least half a dozen atg bowlers by now.

After Sri Lanka they r the only team who have improved vastly within a very short span of time :srini
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If if if if if that's all it is, Bangladesh are where they are. U need to calm down with how much u rate fizz he still has a lot to prove but he has done well so far. If he starts performing badly I would not come back to this forum if I was u :yk2
 
when did Steyn played against/with Wasim Akram :irfan

anyways these praises are pointless and are done to get some favors....moving on
 
Shaan said:
what is delusional here? delusion is something you imagine, made up but never happens in reality. If i sound delusional then you sound super illusional and delusional just to have your own satisfacion to not accept the the fact talking fact. i am talking about the fact, so far their respective career Fizz outshined strac the short span of his career so far he has. Now swing or no swing yorker or no yorker, cutter or no cutter, late swing or not, googly or not, deviation or not, fraction swing or not Mustafizur got all the wicket by his own skill doesn't matter the ball swing or he got the ball talking and most important for a bowler is the wickets, he is getting those. so why should he bother for swing when he is getting more wickets with his own level of skill something other don't have.
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Can u read? I clearly said rehman hasn't proven anything because he has played very few matches. You wrote a whole paragraph saying random stuff without even saying anything against my argument. You dont take the first 10 matches of some player who performed very well in them and put him above an established player. By you logic, cheteshwar pujara and mominul haque are 2nd and 3rd best batsmen after don bradman. That is delusion at its best. Please dont comment with rubbish like you didin that ppost
 
So much jealousy of Fizz from Pakistani posters, if it was a Pakistani bowler, I wonder how they would have reacted.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
So much jealousy of Fizz from Pakistani posters, if it was a Pakistani bowler, I wonder how they would have reacted.
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In Pakistan we have a culture of fast bowling. We have new upcoming bowlers coming through every few years and don't start hyping them after one or two performances.

Asif demolished a famed Indian batting line up in Karachi and ran through SL in SL, but we didn't start recognizing how good he was till that famed tour of ENG in 2010.

Wahab took a 5 wicket haul on test debut. Picked up 5 wickets against best batting line up in the world in a WC semi final. Yet we only rated him when he strung a few consistent performances together over some period of time (majority of the fans still don't rate him, and rightly so IMO)

Amir won us the WT20 in 2009, but again we only recognized how good he was till he performed splendidly in the 2010 tour.

If you want to compare BD fan's reaction to Mustafizur's rise you should do it with how Pakistanis react to the emergence of a new batsman. One or two innings and we start comparing them to past and present greats.
 
Syed1 said:
In Pakistan we have a culture of fast bowling. We have new upcoming bowlers coming through every few years and don't start hyping them after one or two performances.

Asif demolished a famed Indian batting line up in Karachi and ran through SL in SL, but we didn't start recognizing how good he was till that famed tour of ENG in 2010.

Wahab took a 5 wicket haul on test debut. Picked up 5 wickets against best batting line up in the world in a WC semi final. Yet we only rated him when he strung a few consistent performances together over some period of time (majority of the fans still don't rate him, and rightly so IMO)

Amir won us the WT20 in 2009, but again we only recognized how good he was till he performed splendidly in the 2010 tour.

If you want to compare BD fan's reaction to Mustafizur's rise you should do it with how Pakistanis react to the emergence of a new batsman. One or two innings and we start comparing them to past and present greats.
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That was an Afridi show, no Amir man. Stop hyping him to the moon, just pray that he gets visa for England.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
So much jealousy of Fizz from Pakistani posters, if it was a Pakistani bowler, I wonder how they would have reacted.
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We had wasim, waqar, imran, Akhtar and many many other great fast bowlers that mustafiz can only dream to become at this point. Do you honestly think any of us would have cared if one of our bowlers did great in first few matches? I am sure most Pakistani fans will say to wait till he plays a lot more matches and if he can keep up this form then we would hype him
 
Messiah said:
We had wasim, waqar, imran, Akhtar and many many other great fast bowlers that mustafiz can only dream to become at this point. Do you honestly think any of us would have cared if one of our bowlers did great in first few matches? I am sure most Pakistani fans will say to wait till he plays a lot more matches and if he can keep up this form then we would hype him
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Yeah. That's totally what happens. Yep!
 
Messiah said:
We had wasim, waqar, imran, Akhtar and many many other great fast bowlers that mustafiz can only dream to become at this point. Do you honestly think any of us would have cared if one of our bowlers did great in first few matches? I am sure most Pakistani fans will say to wait till he plays a lot more matches and if he can keep up this form then we would hype him
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POTW.

We never hype our players, until they make 15 ODI centuries or 10 test centuries, or take 100 ODI wickets or 50 test wickets.
 
Deewana said:
Wasim compares Amir to himself..

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That is his humbleness.And btw Wasim talked about a 18yr old Amir.By 24 Wasim was arguably the best bowler in the world already on path to greatness Amir is nowhere close.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION].. your thoughts on this? Or do you want to bring any history angle saying BD was never a cricket nation and Viv Richards or Lillee don't rate Mustafizur? Keen to know your views..
 
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cricketjoshila said:
That is his humbleness.And btw Wasim talked about a 18yr old Amir.By 24 Wasim was arguably the best bowler in the world already on path to greatness Amir is nowhere close.
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No humbleness it's reality ...
WASIM =Amir

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Deewana said:
No humbleness it's reality ...
WASIM =Amir

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2 Amirs will not equal a Wasim.Wasim Akram is considered by almost every great batsman of his era to be the best they faced.Amir is not even close.Not even the same planet.
 
Neither Mustafiz nor Amir is anywhere near Wasim. Potentially, yes, but performance wise not great a sample size.
 
Mustafizur's skill-set is completely anti-Wasim Akram. Relying solely on deception was not Akram's style. He was more of a conventional fast bowler like Amir is at the moment.

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cricketjoshila said:
2 Amirs will not equal a Wasim.Wasim Akram is considered by almost every great batsman of his era to be the best they faced.Amir is not even close.Not even the same planet.
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If the opinion "of almost every great batsmen" is valid then the opinion of Wasim, rated by almost every great batsmen should be similarly valid. I doubt any player would have disagreed with Wasim's assessment of Amir back in 2009.

But in general, I don't put much stock in players' opinions on these types of matters unlesz its limited to "so and so has talent". Any time it comes to assessing, people forget to realize that players will have their biases based largely on what they personally experienced. Just like a person who is bit by a dog, might be expected to claim dogs are vicious animals.

For example, if you were to ask Murali's opinion of Mohammad Ashraful he would probably rate his batting signficantly better than any other bowler because Ashraful scored 4 of his 6 centuries against Murali, including one when he was 17. However, that is not indicative of his overall batting ability.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
Econ rate under the average for the match. There players with career econ rates of 8.5, so in game its nothing shoddy. Not good, not bad. Plus he bowls at the death.
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Exactly. He always bowls at difficult phases of the game and whenever his team needs a wicket his captain throws the ball at him. Similarly in last match, as soon as he got kohli Warner took him out of the attack. At present there isn't a single bowler who's anywhere near to him in t20s. :yk
 
Messiah said:
We had wasim, waqar, imran, Akhtar and many many other great fast bowlers that mustafiz can only dream to become at this point. Do you honestly think any of us would have cared if one of our bowlers did great in first few matches? I am sure most Pakistani fans will say to wait till he plays a lot more matches and if he can keep up this form then we would hype him
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just like how u guys hyped junaid, you guys even hyped Lamboo irfan, what else to add when we have a umar vs virat :yk
 
Still remember when I got mauled by [MENTION=137485]Dios[/MENTION] and a couple of the stat warriors after I stated that Hasan is the much superior bowler, how times have changed lol.
 
Another Ajantha Mendis. One thing which is common between these two is that both of them made their names by performing against India.
 
Some threads are destined for embarrassing bumps. Mustafizur isn't bad, but the comparison is just too funny. :))
 
When people make 'most skilled' statements, it always sounds like a nice but meaningless thing to say.

What's the point of calling someone most skilled if their skills haven't gotten the most important runs/wickets?

ANDERSON IS THE MOST SKILLED BOWLER EVEN THOUGH DALE STEYN IS OBVIOUSLY AND LAUGHINGLY BETTER THAN EVERYONE WHO'S PLAYING.

It reminds me of when Imran Khan used call M. Sami an incredible bowler but he hadn't discovered 'his wicket-taking ability.'

Nonetheless, Dale Steyn shouldn't be easily slagged off. He knows more about fast bowling than the entirety of this forum combined.

Actually, he knows more about fast bowling than this board combined when he's dreaming of riding a motorbike.
 
A decent bowler but was never going to be as good as Wasim. Riddicoulous compairson.
 
Comparisons with cricketers like Tendulkar, Akram, Gilchrist, etc should stop! They were once in a lifetime cricketers. Not everyone can be as good.
 
Yes Wasim was all about bowling cutters on dust bowls lol, what an insult to the legend!!
 
Ellipsism said:
Still remember when I got mauled by [MENTION=137485]Dios[/MENTION] and a couple of the stat warriors after I stated that Hasan is the much superior bowler, how times have changed lol.
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Hasan is inferior to Fizz. Fizz has outplayed Hasan by miles.
Steyn didn't take time to compare, a Pacer of his Calibre should think many times before comparing. Fizz or any other left armer playing now arent even fit to tie the shoelace of Wasim
 
Mustafiz was on fire when he first came to the scene.

He got offer from IPL and Natwest Blast. No other pacer in BD history got such offers. He was an anomaly by Bangladeshi standard.

However, times have changed. He has lost it now. He needs to get his form back.
 
The guy clearly had the spark. But as with all Bangladesh players, I suspect diet & fitness isn;t what it should be to sustain that initial burst of genius.
 
At this point it's pretty clear that Mustafiz can become an ATG T20 bowler but I don't see him picking many wickets in ODIs except at the death when people try to bash him to all parts and end up getting caught. While in Tests he is practically useless just like Bangladesh's other pacers
 
MMHS said:
It’s Dale Styen who said that - why are you bashing Mustafiz!!!!!
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Oh damn I didn't expect you to see that :)

But anyways on a serious note he started off well but it's gone downhill. He does take wickets in death but still tends to leak runs .

I don't know why Steyn said that to be honest, almost nobody can be compared with Wasim. But yes I shouldn't have bashed Mustafizur that hard.
 
Mustafiz had a major injury about 2 years ago. He never really recovered from that injury. He is now a pretty ordinary ODI bowler. However, he can still be effective in T20 format.
 
He was never special. Just used to bowl a bunch of cutters and slower balls, he would eventually be found out, which he did. He will only be effecttive if he can swing it, which he can't. He picks up cheap wickets at the death and is very expensive. That 5-for against Pak in the world cup has to be the worst 5-for I have ever seen
 
Danyaalr01 said:
He was never special. Just used to bowl a bunch of cutters and slower balls, he would eventually be found out, which he did. He will only be effecttive if he can swing it, which he can't. He picks up cheap wickets at the death and is very expensive. That 5-for against Pak in the world cup has to be the worst 5-for I have ever seen
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When he was new, he had more pace. He no longer has that pace due to injury.

He was the reason why BD beat India 2-1 at home. He took two 5-fers against a full-strength India.

However, I agree that he was not extraordinary. He was just a good bowler.
 
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