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Name the overrated players who were exposed in ICC ODI World Cup 2023

Suryakumar Yadav
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Haris Rauf
Joe Root
Jos Buttler
Steven Smith
 
Shubman Gill loll. Shubman lolll
Sky
Timid kl Rahul
Babar azam
Southee but too old
Haris roof
Van der dussen
Whole English tesm except Stokes
 
Shadab Khan
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Babar Azam
Jos Buttler
Temba Bavuma
Shubman Gill
Haris Rauf
Shardul Thakur
 
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Gill only played a single world cup and already scored match winning knock. What the use of 152/0?

I think once Rohit and Kohli will retire, Gill will be exposed even further.

Difference between Gill and Babar is Gill plays alongside some great batters. Babar often has to do the heavy lifting on his own. Babar has more pressure.

In a nutshell, Gill is pretty pampered.
 
Mainly it was Rauf. The longer the format the worse he gets. I think everyone realises that now, including him.
 
Nawaz was also utterly exposed. A completely mediocre player in all facets.

It’s a shame Imad is so toxic otherwise Nawaz would simply be a domestic journeyman with no shot at the national side.
 
Nawaz was also utterly exposed. A completely mediocre player in all facets.

It’s a shame Imad is so toxic otherwise Nawaz would simply be a domestic journeyman with no shot at the national side.

Forgot to add Nawaz.

I agree that he was a massive flop. He was supposed to thrive in India as a spin all-rounder but that didn't happen.
 
Klrahul
Jadeja
Shadab Khan
Nawaz the matchwinner
Harris Rauf
Joe root
Moeen ali
Steve smith
Bavuma
Marco jansen
 
Why are people saying Jos Buttler 😂

There is a difference between being exposed and having a bad tournament lol.

Agree.

Butler has nothing to prove. He proved himself in 2019 WC.

Butler is now close to retirement. He is not overrated. He is just finished.
 
Shubman Gill loll. Shubman lolll
Sky
Timid kl Rahul
Babar azam
Southee but too old
Haris roof
Van der dussen
Whole English tesm except Stokes

Gill isn't overrated. He played his first WC. Missed 3 matches due to a serious viral illness.

Remember he was let into the opening slot permanently only in January.
 
Agree.

Butler has nothing to prove. He proved himself in 2019 WC.

Butler is now close to retirement. He is not overrated. He is just finished.
Buttler is 33. Not finished.

He is in poor form. Plus bowlers have worked him out.
 
Buttler is 33. Not finished.

He is in poor form. Plus bowlers have worked him out.

33 is kind of old in cricket.

English cricketers tend to retire early (Anderson and Broad are exceptions).

He has nothing else to prove. He won 1 ODI WC and 1 World T20.
 
I think once Rohit and Kohli will retire, Gill will be exposed even further.

Difference between Gill and Babar is Gill plays alongside some great batters. Babar often has to do the heavy lifting on his own. Babar has more pressure.

In a nutshell, Gill is pretty pampered.

Will you say the same for Kohli? He played with ATGs and greats.

Gill has to match expectations of a nation that has seen Tendulkar Dravid Laxman Sehwag Ganguly Gambhir Kohli Rohit etc play. It's not easy to walk into such big shoes.
 
In my thirty plus years of watching Indian cricket right from the grassroots to the international level, I can say one thing,

Historically Indian batsmen flourish when they have a burden to carry.

Tendulkar flourished as a Batsman when he had to carry the team alone in 90s.

Tendulkar's injuries and decline in form made Dravid step up in the early 2000s.

Retirement of the great's made Kohli take the responsibility on his shoulder and flourish.

Same may happen to the next Indian great.

There is one more peculiar thing,

Sanjay Manjrekar was supposed to take the mantle of Gavaskar. Kambli was supposed to be the most talented young Batsman in India. Yet it was Tendulkar who came up leaving these two behind.

Rohit Sharma was the next big thing in Indian cricket. He had made his white ball debut before Kohli. He had T20 winners medal with a significant score in the finals. Yet its Kohli who is the ATG of this generation.

I won't be surprised if Gill is displaced by someone else to be the next Indian batting great of this generation. Many will say Gill himself has displaced Shaw.
 
Shadab Khan was termed as Pakistan version of Shane Warne by PsL followers gang and other social media warriors but this guy got exposed so badly and it was like a stock market crash keeping in view how spinners from other nations performed.

This WC was a disaster for Shadab Khan from being touted as next Pakistan skipper to being ousted out and left in wilderness.
 
Pak - Babar, Shaheen, Rauf, Rizwan
Eng - Bairstow, Root, Buttler
SA - Bavuma ( people started rating him due to meaningless low sample bilateral stats)
Aus - Green, Smith
NZ - Boult, Ferguson
Ind - Gill, SKY
 
Your baised on different level that why peoples not take some view seriously.
If the Man of the tournament is overrated then all the player's who were played in world cup are overrated. Haha lol
Lol, i really don't need people to take me seriously atleast here it's not the end of world for me.
Kohli's 765 runs in WC are meaningless after lost in finals. What he was doing in whole tournament? His aim was to break sachins record thats all.
Second, i can't believe kohli and KL on crease, kohli being the leader at that time choked big time, scared chicken. I know you will say he was unlucky he edged and got bowled blah blah but let me tell you he got bowled in same way many times before, in asia cup too. After that kohli innings he is no more GOAT.
Fanclubs of kohli & babar are the wrost thing happened in cricket. They are untouchables.
 
Gill only played a single world cup and already scored match winning knock. What the use of 152/0?
Is it a bad WC he still average 40 with some of his dismissal clearly due to trying to score runs when his team conceded too much. He had a poor WC when it comes to leadership but with the bat it was acceptable in a struggling team.
 
Yep, same as kohli, what the use of 765 runs in WC? Zero
Kholi runs were personal and not really helped the team much. It was Rohit who helped give those fast starts that helped him bat with 80/90 strike rate for most of the innings except until the last few overs and everyone else batted at a higher SR to help him out.

He was still batting at 90 SR when he got out in the final going no where when his other partner failed to up the strike rate. In this WC he had the luxury to bat at his preferred style when everyone around him was given the task to go for it but when Rahul failed we saw his innings had no impact and failed to help his partner out.

Many other batsmen did not have this luxury such as Babar who fell many times try to up the SR himself. Marnus in the final could bat the way same as Rahul because head was able to help him out unlike Virat.

Nobody is saying Virat is not great but he does have this limitation of a SR except unless he is almost on 80 odd runs and batting at the end.
 
Also cant believe the hype klrahul is now getting. Jeez his innings was the one that derailed ind completely. He is being thought of as a future captain- like with! Mental midget of the highest order. Was never convinced even in the league stage
Knew that he would be a tuk tuk in ko games and that's what happened. Once a tuk tuk player always a tuk tuk player. Reminded me of misbah 2011 sf innings. Klrahul should be dropped for good from the white ball set up and even red ball cricket..
 
Also shadab khan who was being predicted as next future captain. Should be kicked out from every format now.
 
Also cant believe the hype klrahul is now getting. Jeez his innings was the one that derailed ind completely. He is being thought of as a future captain- like with! Mental midget of the highest order. Was never convinced even in the league stage
Knew that he would be a tuk tuk in ko games and that's what happened. Once a tuk tuk player always a tuk tuk player. Reminded me of misbah 2011 sf innings. Klrahul should be dropped for good from the white ball set up and even red ball cricket..
This is true. He is a serial choker. India should do away with such players if they ever want to win again.
 
In my thirty plus years of watching Indian cricket right from the grassroots to the international level, I can say one thing,

Historically Indian batsmen flourish when they have a burden to carry.

Tendulkar flourished as a Batsman when he had to carry the team alone in 90s.

Tendulkar's injuries and decline in form made Dravid step up in the early 2000s.

Retirement of the great's made Kohli take the responsibility on his shoulder and flourish.

Same may happen to the next Indian great.

There is one more peculiar thing,

Sanjay Manjrekar was supposed to take the mantle of Gavaskar. Kambli was supposed to be the most talented young Batsman in India. Yet it was Tendulkar who came up leaving these two behind.

Rohit Sharma was the next big thing in Indian cricket. He had made his white ball debut before Kohli. He had T20 winners medal with a significant score in the finals. Yet its Kohli who is the ATG of this generation.

I won't be surprised if Gill is displaced by someone else to be the next Indian batting great of this generation. Many will say Gill himself has displaced Shaw.
An ATG who hasn't won anything substantial for his country??

I get people who watch cricket nowadays loving Kohli. But once he retires and the new generation see that

In the 2015 WC semi
In the 2017 CT final
In the 2019 WC semi

He got out on single figures and India lost all 3 matches. All 3 were run chases- something he is supposed to be good at.

Even in the 2023 final, didn't play run a ball and got out at a very crucial stage.
 
An ATG who hasn't won anything substantial for his country??

I get people who watch cricket nowadays loving Kohli. But once he retires and the new generation see that

In the 2015 WC semi
In the 2017 CT final
In the 2019 WC semi

He got out on single figures and India lost all 3 matches. All 3 were run chases- something he is supposed to be good at.

Even in the 2023 final, didn't play run a ball and got out at a very crucial stage.

He was the top scorer in CT 2013 final.

His innings in the 2011 WC Final and partnership with GG provided India stability.

Kohli is an ATG. And if he regains his test form, he may become the all format GOAT.

Lara is an ATG. No?
Kallis?
ABDV?
 
An ATG who hasn't won anything substantial for his country??

I get people who watch cricket nowadays loving Kohli. But once he retires and the new generation see that

In the 2015 WC semi
In the 2017 CT final
In the 2019 WC semi

He got out on single figures and India lost all 3 matches. All 3 were run chases- something he is supposed to be good at.

Even in the 2023 final, didn't play run a ball and got out at a very crucial stage.
Even in 2023 on ultra flat pitch he was the worst batsman with such a slow paced innings in semis.

In the final for a so called allegedly great godly batsman he failed yet again to carry his team through.

What did head do? Is he better than head? Head also opens in tests and averages 45 which is close to kohli.

In the finals granted KL was the worst player lmao. 69 off what 110 balls. Devastating.

But kohli should have seen his team through and cemented his legacy. But he went backwards yet again.
 
He was the top scorer in CT 2013 final.

His innings in the 2011 WC Final and partnership with GG provided India stability.

Kohli is an ATG. And if he regains his test form, he may become the all format GOAT.
There's an ICC tournament EVERY YEAR and in 2023

to prove someone as an ATG, you have to quote a 35 he made in 2011 and a 40 odd he made in 2013 shows desperation
 
Quite a few Pakistani players got exposed in this World Cup.

To do so poorly in subcontinent conditions is a major blot on their records. Others that got exposed include SKY, Mendis, Ngidi, and Mujeeb.

I won't include Gill as I think he was dealing with the aftermath of his illness. But he's going to have to show up big time in 2027 to correct this year's performance.
 
Is it a bad WC he still average 40 with some of his dismissal clearly due to trying to score runs when his team conceded too much. He had a poor WC when it comes to leadership but with the bat it was acceptable in a struggling team.

This WC has been a high-scoring one. Many batters averaged quite well.

I don't think 40 was a great average in this particular WC.
 
Quite a few Pakistani players got exposed in this World Cup.

To do so poorly in subcontinent conditions is a major blot on their records. Others that got exposed include SKY, Mendis, Ngidi, and Mujeeb.

I won't include Gill as I think he was dealing with the aftermath of his illness. But he's going to have to show up big time in 2027 to correct this year's performance.
i feel bad for mujeeb. One drop catch ruined everything for him.
 
There's an ICC tournament EVERY YEAR and in 2023

to prove someone as an ATG, you have to quote a 35 he made in 2011 and a 40 odd he made in 2013 shows desperation

He has two ICC winners medal. No?

There are players with none and they are still ATG.

Kohli was the highest scorer in the CT final.

If not for Kohli's innings India would have been in the same situation they found themselves in the 2023 final.

Funnily you skipped my question

Isn't Lara an ATG? Kallis? ABDV?
 
i feel bad for mujeeb. One drop catch ruined everything for him.

Yeah, that truly was icing on a turd cake of a tournament for Mujeeb.

He's still quite young though and the next two WCs will be his real test as he enters his prime.
 
Entire Pakistani bowling lineup + Babar + Imam. For a team that was recently #1, some of the cricket was borderline minnow level.

Entire England lineup apart from Adil Rashid. Brutally exposed in challenging conditions and in a format that has evolved in the last 4 years.

NZ bowling attack apart from Santner and maybe Matt Henry. Awful trundling

Suryakumar Yadav, Ashwin and Shardil Thakur. Complete waste of squad space.

Bavuma

Stoinis
 
Shadul thakur>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> siraj. Garbage run machine bowler in this WC.

Maybe just bad form. Or maybe just dravid.

But siraj was awful. No where near as potent as he was prior to wc.
 
For me, that player has to be Babar Azam. Massive hopes for him going into the World Cup as the world's number 1 batter but his performance was not that good. Really disappointed with Gill as well. Cannot do much.
 
For me it is Jos Buttler. Failed miserably. Never expected from him. Such an impactful player but remain silenced throughout the tournament.
 
This WC has been a high-scoring one. Many batters averaged quite well.

I don't think 40 was a great average in this particular WC.
This is probably still a high average among his team mates. Not sure anyone can say that he had a poor WC with the bat maybe an average one but certainly not poor. Likes of Root and Smith had even worst numbers who are all time greats and serial winners.
 
Suryakumar Yadav
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Haris Rauf
Joe Root
Jos Buttler
Steven Smith
It takes some nerve for a Babar fan to hand out “you got exposed” certificates to other players when no one got exposed more than Babar himself.

King Babar, best ODI batsman in the world, better than Kohli, Babar era bla bla bla.

All came crashing down like no tomorrow. This World Cup proved what everyone except Babar’s deluded fans already knew: there are 1-2, if not more, better batsmen than Babar in every top team.

He is nothing more than a very good batsman and nowhere near as good as his fans think he is.

He entered the World Cup as the number 1 ranked batsman in the prime of his career. This World Cup should have been the platform where he should have lived up to the expectations of his fans and scored a mountain of runs to prove that he is indeed a genuine number 1 and not someone who cashed on B and C attacks.

Babar’s stock has fallen big time even with Pakistan and he is not going to be showered with praises and adulation the next time he bashes B and C attacks and gets to fastest XYZ runs that mean nothing.
 
Theres a difference between had a bad world cup and got exposed.

Moeen Ali has always been a dud in ODIs but somehow scrapes by. This time he was badly exposed.

Haris got exposed big time too. His world cup was so bad that if it meant it was the end of his ODI career it would be acceptable.

I can't really think of anyone else that was completely exposed.
 
Theres a difference between had a bad world cup and got exposed.

Moeen Ali has always been a dud in ODIs but somehow scrapes by. This time he was badly exposed.

Haris got exposed big time too. His world cup was so bad that if it meant it was the end of his ODI career it would be acceptable.

I can't really think of anyone else that was completely exposed.
Some players failed but have credit in the bank from previous tournaments etc such as Root and Smith. Some players had average WC but good enough to move on to the next one such as Babar, Gill, kane, etc.

The only ones who were exposed that I can think of is SKY and Haris both of them were rated high (there was some suspicion on Haris capability beyond T20s). There were others who failed badly but they were never rated very high such as Moeen Ali who is just a utility cricketer who is useful in a successful team but not in a struggling team as does not have the skill to help the team out with either big innings or crucial wickets.
 
For me, that player has to be Babar Azam. Massive hopes for him going into the World Cup as the world's number 1 batter but his performance was not that good. Really disappointed with Gill as well. Cannot do much.
Babar had an average of 40 and got out more than a few times trying to go for unachievable run-rate. Infact cant think of many times he was truly beaten happens when your team is struggling and you cant play your usual game.

He actaully had decent numbers and finished with an average of 40. That's not called expose. I wouldnt say Gill was exposed either just a bad WC.
 
It takes some nerve for a Babar fan to hand out “you got exposed” certificates to other players when no one got exposed more than Babar himself.

King Babar, best ODI batsman in the world, better than Kohli, Babar era bla bla bla.

All came crashing down like no tomorrow. This World Cup proved what everyone except Babar’s deluded fans already knew: there are 1-2, if not more, better batsmen than Babar in every top team.

He is nothing more than a very good batsman and nowhere near as good as his fans think he is.

He entered the World Cup as the number 1 ranked batsman in the prime of his career. This World Cup should have been the platform where he should have lived up to the expectations of his fans and scored a mountain of runs to prove that he is indeed a genuine number 1 and not someone who cashed on B and C attacks.

Babar’s stock has fallen big time even with Pakistan and he is not going to be showered with praises and adulation the next time he bashes B and C attacks and gets to fastest XYZ runs that mean nothing.
Well, Babar was below par in the tournament but there was nothing that "exposed".

Not a single dismissal was due to bowler's brilliance it was him throwing away soft wickets.

Despite of that he managed to get 4 50s in 9 games, not too bat but definitely disappointing for batter of Babar's caliber.

He is way more than a very good batter, he is the top tier, across formats. I will keep you reminding about that day in, day out if his bat doesn't :)
 
In my thirty plus years of watching Indian cricket right from the grassroots to the international level, I can say one thing,

Historically Indian batsmen flourish when they have a burden to carry.

Tendulkar flourished as a Batsman when he had to carry the team alone in 90s.

Tendulkar's injuries and decline in form made Dravid step up in the early 2000s.

Retirement of the great's made Kohli take the responsibility on his shoulder and flourish.

Same may happen to the next Indian great.

There is one more peculiar thing,

Sanjay Manjrekar was supposed to take the mantle of Gavaskar. Kambli was supposed to be the most talented young Batsman in India. Yet it was Tendulkar who came up leaving these two behind.

Rohit Sharma was the next big thing in Indian cricket. He had made his white ball debut before Kohli. He had T20 winners medal with a significant score in the finals. Yet its Kohli who is the ATG of this generation.

I won't be surprised if Gill is displaced by someone else to be the next Indian batting great of this generation. Many will say Gill himself has displaced Shaw.
Now upto GILL whether he becomes Manjrekar/Kambli or Virat/Sachin
 
He was a certified ODI legend before the first ball of the 2023 World Cup was bowled.
 
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Root and Smith are among those players who were supposed to perform well in this World Cup bu ended up became a liablbility for their team respective teams.
 
Root and Smith are among those players who were supposed to perform well in this World Cup bu ended up became a liablbility for their team respective teams.
How can they be exposed when both of them have played starring roles in helping their teams win the 2015 and 2019 World Cups?
 
Well, Babar was below par in the tournament but there was nothing that "exposed".

Not a single dismissal was due to bowler's brilliance it was him throwing away soft wickets.

Despite of that he managed to get 4 50s in 9 games, not too bat but definitely disappointing for batter of Babar's caliber.

He is way more than a very good batter, he is the top tier, across formats. I will keep you reminding about that day in, day out if his bat doesn't :)
That is worse because it shows that he couldn’t handle the pressure. No shame in getting out due to the bowlers’ brilliance.

Top tier? You can’t be a top tier Test batsman from Asia if you have only one hundred outside Asia.

You cannot be a top tier T20I batsman with a SR in the 120s.

The only format where he can be considered top tier is ODIs, and even in this format he is not as good as his fans think and the World Cup reinforced this fact.

At best, he would be a contender for the top 10 ODI batsmen in the world and I’m being super generous here.
 
this thread is about their performances of world cup 2023.
Then you need to understand the difference between not performing and getting exposed.

Getting exposed = a player who didn’t prove anything in his career and got hyped up before failing and therefore, getting exposed as an overrated player.

Players like Root, Smith, Buttler etc. don’t fall into this category because they have already achieved the maximum for their respective teams.

They have all helped their teams win World Cups and that will define their legacies not this World Cup.
 
Theres a difference between had a bad world cup and got exposed.

Moeen Ali has always been a dud in ODIs but somehow scrapes by. This time he was badly exposed.

Haris got exposed big time too. His world cup was so bad that if it meant it was the end of his ODI career it would be acceptable.

I can't really think of anyone else that was completely exposed.
Moeen was exposed as a mentally weak and pathetic cricketer in 2019 World Cup as well, when he was on a one-man mission to destroy England’s campaign and had to be booted out of the playing XI for England to get their campaign on track.

It is no surprise or coincidence that England started winning against as soon as Roy got fit again and Moeen was kicked out of the XI.

The fact that England dragged him to another World Cup 4 years later showed that they didn’t learn from that experience at all. The 2019 World Cup should have been his last assignment for England in ODI cricket.
 
Most overrated:

1) Gill
2) Kohli
3) Iyer
4) Rahul
5) Jadeja
6) SKY
7) Shami
8) Bumrah
9) Yadav
10) Siraj

Massive respect to Rohit for his ability to carry such an overrated team so far in this tournament.
 
That is worse because it shows that he couldn’t handle the pressure. No shame in getting out due to the bowlers’ brilliance.

Top tier? You can’t be a top tier Test batsman from Asia if you have only one hundred outside Asia.

You cannot be a top tier T20I batsman with a SR in the 120s.

The only format where he can be considered top tier is ODIs, and even in this format he is not as good as his fans think and the World Cup reinforced this fact.

At best, he would be a contender for the top 10 ODI batsmen in the world and I’m being super generous here.
3 T20i tons, 2 while chasing 200+ totals. There goes your SR into the bin.

ODI, let's not even talk about it. He is a King there.

Test, yes he has 1 ton outside asia but that is because we have played 0 tests outside in last 3 years. He will score another ton in Australia come next month inshaAllah.

Top tier through and through.
 
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