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Naseem Shah withdrawn from Pakistan Under-19 squad for 2020 World Cup [Update Post #161]

Should Naseem Shah be a part of the Under-19 World Cup squad?

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h shouldnt be playing under 19s now thats for sure...he is defo in my team with shaheen shah against sri lanka next week
 
According to Ijaz he is not needed for SL and Bangladesh tour
 
We need to stop hyping the guy so much. Yes, he's very talented. But he needs more time to develop, he can play with U19 and A teams, should be handled with care. In a few years time he'll be ready to go.
 
Demoting Naseem Shah to under 19 cricket, what a dumb Idea by Ijaz, hope Misbah will reject it. Its like bringing back to elementary school after a young man had graduated from college.

Naseem did a good job in test, he belongs there. All he needs is to play more FC cricket and someone has to manage his work load at international level. He is not going to learn at under 19 cricket now.
 
U19 cricket is just a stepping stone for young cricketers. There is no reason why he should go back. Our coaches are absolutely clueless about player management.
 
Boi said:
U19 cricket is just a stepping stone for young cricketers. There is no reason why he should go back. Our coaches are absolutely clueless about player management.
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I will tell you a story

Shaheen Shah Afridi took record breaking 8 wickets in his first FC debut match, instead of playing the whole season he went on to play a useless U19 Asia cup. Pritvi Shaw didn't play in that Asia Cup and played FC cricket for Mumbai.

PCB mindset is sickening
 
He should be in the squad if not in XI for SL and Bangladesh tours

Awful
 
Misbah is not man enough to stick to his decisions, at least Mickey Authur backed the player he picked. Everyone wanted Babar out of the test team but it was Mickey that believed in his ablitiy. Mickey had many flaws but he wasn't scared or a coward like Misbah who makes decision based on the pressure of the media.


If Naseem Shah was not ready then why was he picked for the most difficult tour? To ruin his career?
 
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shah_1 said:
Misbah is not man enough to stick to his decisions, at least Mickey Authur backed the player he picked. Everyone wanted Babar out of the test team but it was Mickey that believed in his ablitiy. Mickey had many flaws but he wasn't scared or a coward like Misbah who makes decision based on the pressure of the media.


If Naseem Shah was not ready then why was he picked for the most difficult tour? To ruin his career?
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Misbah is not man enough to come clean on the Naseem Shah situation. Why was a picked for the tour if they didn't want to play him in both the games? You can't pick a guy knowing that he'll only be available for half the tour. If given just one game for workload management, why not the pink ball test where he would best poised to shine. If he got injured after the first test, why not come out and say it?

Way too many questions and no clarity from the management. This is what you get when you put in unprofessional people like Misbah and Waqar at the helm.
 
The curious case of Naseem Shah in Australia:

Taken to Australia as the next big hope

Bowled well in the 1st warm-up

Picked for his Test debut

16 impressive overs on Day 1

Day 2 bowls 4-1-3-1 and takes the wicket of Warner

No more overs on Day 2

2nd Test dropped
 
To be honest I dont have issues with Naseem playing in U19 WC as other than tests in sub continent (Where ideally he shouldn't be playing tests at the moment, maybe in couple of years) there isnt much cricket available to him.

QAE trophy is ending while PSL is sometime away along with national one day cup, he is coming of a back injury so he should be playing cricket to make his bowling muscle with slightly modified action stronger and 50 over cricket at U19 level where there is decent talent from around the globe isnt a bad option especially when he was part of U19 squad just a few months ago.
 
wth he shouldn't be going back to U19. Pretty much, Pakistan and Ijaz Ahmed are cheating.
 
No big deal. He played with the U19's as recently as South Africa -- he's only young, can play for Pak for years, he was taken to Aus as a surprise package..Haris, Haider, Rohail, Naseem -- good batch of U19's. Not surprising to see why Ijaz wants to take him. He will be a the strike bowler and will really help Pak' chances
 
Its a bit disappointing as he was one of the top bowlers in QEA.

So would have been effective on extracting something from the flat wickets.
 
If its true( and I don't believe it) The stupidity of putting Naseem back in U19 cricket is mind boggling.
 
Didn't he play U19 only in september? Seeing the amount of noballs he bowled he definitely needs fine tuning. Sometimes learning on the job can be counter-productive.
 
U19 cricket is several levels below firstclass cricket let alone international cricket. Why would they do that ?

Cricket is unwatchable nowadays. At least Naseem brings some excitement.
 
An U19 world cup is a pretty significant tournament. If Soumya Sarkar, a 26 year old international player who's played over 100 internationals, can play in an Emerging Asia Cup, I don't see why a 18 year old who has only one test cap can't play in an U19 World Cup. This experience will help him to develop as a cricketer.
 
The Viper said:
Its a bit disappointing as he was one of the top bowlers in QEA.

So would have been effective on extracting something from the flat wickets.
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Definitely it can really effect his career. He should be around the team now once they decided to introduce him to internationals
 
We shouldn't rush Naseem into the team. He should definitely play U19 World Cup. Extra pressure of performance at such an early age can effect his performances. He should play at Junior level, A tours and FC cricket. He will be ready in a year or two.
 
KingT said:
An U19 world cup is a pretty significant tournament. If Soumya Sarkar, a 26 year old international player who's played over 100 internationals, can play in an Emerging Asia Cup, I don't see why a 18 year old who has only one test cap can't play in an U19 World Cup. This experience will help him to develop as a cricketer.
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He should be part of test squad and play 1 test atleast
 
hur rizvi said:
He should be part of test squad and play 1 test atleast
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The U19 WC is in mid January so I say that if he performs well against Sri Lanka (if selected) then he should be kept for the Bangladesh tour but if he performs average/ below average then he should be allowed to play in the 2019 U19 World Cup.
 
KingT said:
The U19 WC is in mid January so I say that if he performs well against Sri Lanka (if selected) then he should be kept for the Bangladesh tour but if he performs average/ below average then he should be allowed to play in the 2019 U19 World Cup.
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He was best bowler in QAe by a country mile. He looked pretty decent in Australia

If he’s fit he should be part of both SL and Ban tour squads. If he’s not fit u19 WC is the last thing he should be playing
 
The Viper said:
Its a bit disappointing as he was one of the top bowlers in QEA.

So would have been effective on extracting something from the flat wickets.
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No doubt he could have but 17-18 is the age most common for back injuries as body is still developing and he has shown back issues previously as well. We have seen that with Cummins, Amir, Shinwari etc during the same time so bowling long spells in sub continent at this point of time might be a bot risky for his body however, he will surely be playing every test in 2-5 years time. Meanwhile he can be utilized in ODIs, T20s and overseas tests with proper rotation.
 
hur rizvi said:
He was best bowler in QAe by a country mile. He looked pretty decent in Australia

If he’s fit he should be part of both SL and Ban tour squads. If he’s not fit u19 WC is the last thing he should be playing
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Bowling long spells in sub continent requires a different fitness than 50 overs tournament. His body is still developing and its not worth it to risk his back which has just recovered in tests in sub continent. In my opinion he is future of our pace bowling and needs to be handled with care.

Though not sure what management has planned for him.
 
Titan24 said:
Bowling long spells in sub continent requires a different fitness than 50 overs tournament. His body is still developing and its not worth it to risk his back which has just recovered in tests in sub continent. In my opinion he is future of our pace bowling and needs to be handled with care.

Though not sure what management has planned for him.
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On the contrary he would have much less workload in subcontinent tests. 2 spinners would play who can bowl 25 overs a day each. One part time spinner like Haris or Iftikhar can bowl 10 overs. So his workload shouldn’t be more than 15 overs a day in much pleasant weather than UAE or Australia

I fear he could go into wilderness or his development would stop if he goes back to age group cricket now.
 
Cricket is cricket. Bowling to a weaker batsman won't make you weaker. Ashwin still plays street cricket when time permits. He plays in leagues that are several level below international.
 
hur rizvi said:
On the contrary he would have much less workload in subcontinent tests. 2 spinners would play who can bowl 25 overs a day each. One part time spinner like Haris or Iftikhar can bowl 10 overs. So his workload shouldn’t be more than 15 overs a day in much pleasant weather than UAE or Australia

I fear he could go into wilderness or his development would stop if he goes back to age group cricket now.
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If its the usual National Stadium wickets, scores can go upto 500 and that would mean quite a lot of overs from pacers as well.

I understand what you are saying regarding age group cricket but playing a handful of matches in the WC shouldnt effect him much. After that he will have PSL and national one day cup, if he gets thorugh all of that, he will be much more fitter and mature as a cricketer.
 
Him being carried around with the national squad and working with Waqar even if he doesn’t play any games will be more beneficial than the massive step down of playing U19 cricket. Such a stupid, counterproductive move
 
Naseem Shah should not be on the radar for home tests anyways. Shaheen and Abbas will be our pacers at home.
 
Titan24 said:
If its the usual National Stadium wickets, scores can go upto 500 and that would mean quite a lot of overs from pacers as well.

I understand what you are saying regarding age group cricket but playing a handful of matches in the WC shouldnt effect him much. After that he will have PSL and national one day cup, if he gets thorugh all of that, he will be much more fitter and mature as a cricketer.
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Play him in pindi. It helps seamers and he can be used in short spells, rest him in PSL
 
KARACHI: After creating flutter during his Test debut in Australia, 16-year-old Pakistan pace sensation Naseem Shah will now spearhead the national under-19 team's bowling attack in next month's ICC youth World Cup in South Africa.

The head coach of the Pakistan juniors Ejaz Ahmed confirmed on Wednesday that he has asked chief selector and national bowling coach Waqar Younis to release Naseem from the senior outfit for the youth World Cup.

"Like I said before he will be our main weapon in the mega event and I want him to join the training camp with the junior players at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore," he said.

The former Test captain, who recently guided the Pakistan Emerging side to the Asian Emerging Nations Cup title, said once Naseem joined the junior team the pace attack would look very menacing.

Naseem made his debut in the first Test at Brisbane and impressed with his pace but was then sidelined for the second day and night Test in Adelaide with Waqar insisting that it was a decision based on workload management. He took one wicket his debut Test.
Ejaz also said that defending champion India was the team to beat in the Youth World Cup.

"Naseem will add a lot of potency to our attack as we have some other very good young pace bowlers and spinners," he said.

The defeated Pakistan squad is due to return from Australia by Thursday night and a source said Ejaz will meet with Misbah and Waqar the next day to confirm on Naseem joining the camp and take a progress report about his fitness.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...d-cup-squad/articleshow/72361926.cms?from=mdr

The youngster is said to be struggling with a calf muscle problem.
 
MenInG said:
KARACHI: After creating flutter during his Test debut in Australia, 16-year-old Pakistan pace sensation Naseem Shah will now spearhead the national under-19 team's bowling attack in next month's ICC youth World Cup in South Africa.

The head coach of the Pakistan juniors Ejaz Ahmed confirmed on Wednesday that he has asked chief selector and national bowling coach Waqar Younis to release Naseem from the senior outfit for the youth World Cup.

"Like I said before he will be our main weapon in the mega event and I want him to join the training camp with the junior players at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore," he said.

The former Test captain, who recently guided the Pakistan Emerging side to the Asian Emerging Nations Cup title, said once Naseem joined the junior team the pace attack would look very menacing.

Naseem made his debut in the first Test at Brisbane and impressed with his pace but was then sidelined for the second day and night Test in Adelaide with Waqar insisting that it was a decision based on workload management. He took one wicket his debut Test.
Ejaz also said that defending champion India was the team to beat in the Youth World Cup.

"Naseem will add a lot of potency to our attack as we have some other very good young pace bowlers and spinners," he said.

The defeated Pakistan squad is due to return from Australia by Thursday night and a source said Ejaz will meet with Misbah and Waqar the next day to confirm on Naseem joining the camp and take a progress report about his fitness.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...d-cup-squad/articleshow/72361926.cms?from=mdr

The youngster is said to be struggling with a calf muscle problem.
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Any bowler who has played test cricket for Pakistan, should never go back to under-19.

This is extremely counter-productive and defeats the purpose of under-19 cricket.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Has he discussed this with Misbah or is he just saying it because he wants him to be with the U19s :))
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Well he did mention that it seems the selection focus will be on spin. Given Misbah’s mediocre ambition seems about right. With with spin on roads at home (if they are lucky enough to win the toss) and then get demolished abroad.
 
This just shows how clueless the think-tank is regarding the development of young players.

One day he's sent to Australia in the senior squad and next he's classed as an Under 19 player.

No direction, no vision, no proper planning.
 
Saj said:
This just shows how clueless the think-tank is regarding the development of young players.

One day he's sent to Australia in the senior squad and next he's classed as an Under 19 player.

No direction, no vision, no proper planning.
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New bunch is beating all records of incompetence
 
Saj said:
This just shows how clueless the think-tank is regarding the development of young players.

One day he's sent to Australia in the senior squad and next he's classed as an Under 19 player.

No direction, no vision, no proper planning.
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Baqwas united, the think tank should be boiled in oil. Way to go about treating a fine prospect
 
We don't want him to bowl on difficult wickets at this point I don't think. He's played QEA, so let him go and try and win a world tournament for Pak.

I'm ok with this
 
This is Ejaz Ahmed's selfishness. He doesn't care about Naseem's future. He is only worried about winning world cup.
 
Saj said:
This just shows how clueless the think-tank is regarding the development of young players.

One day he's sent to Australia in the senior squad and next he's classed as an Under 19 player.

No direction, no vision, no proper planning.
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If Bangladesh can send Soumya Sarkar, an international cricketer who has over 100 caps, to an emerging asia cup. Why can't we send an 18 year old who's only played one test match to the u19 world cup?
It'll only help him to gain experience
 
KingT said:
If Bangladesh can send Soumya Sarkar, an international cricketer who has over 100 caps, to an emerging asia cup. Why can't we send an 18 year old who's only played one test match to the u19 world cup?
It'll only help him to gain experience
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No problem with him going to the Under 19 World Cup, rather the issue and concern is why send him to Australia in the first place when he clearly was not ready.
 
Saj said:
No problem with him going to the Under 19 World Cup, rather the issue and concern is why send him to Australia in the first place when he clearly was not ready.
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who said he wasn't ready. pick of the bowlers
 
Saj said:
No problem with him going to the Under 19 World Cup, rather the issue and concern is why send him to Australia in the first place when he clearly was not ready.
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He never would've been picked if Wahab and Amir didn't retire. Actually forget Wahab and Amir, he wouldn't even have been selected had Hasan not been injured.

Pakistan were forced by circumstance to take him to Australia. I personally have no problem with him going to U19s.
 
From test cricket back to under 19 cricket, the dumbest idea in cricket ever.
 
Naseem Shah is ready, he bowled very well in Australia and he is not 16. Should play against SL.
 
How much harm can the u-19 world cup do? You get tournament pressure and the very top emerging talent. If he is the real deal he will dominate completely, cool, now he plays FC from then on.

If he's average, back to the drawing board a bit more.

We've barely seen anything from the kid. It feels too presumptuous to be saying he must play FC and international level cricket only from now on.
 
Completely agree with Moghul he should be playing against Sri kanka ..was very impressive on his debut.

I even think ponting was scared of him and his negative remarks confused all mangement about work load etc
 
Cummins played for Australia U19 after he made his Australia debut but this sounds really strange. Playing against U19s won't help him at all
 
aloo paratha said:
He never would've been picked if Wahab and Amir didn't retire. Actually forget Wahab and Amir, he wouldn't even have been selected had Hasan not been injured.

Pakistan were forced by circumstance to take him to Australia. I personally have no problem with him going to U19s.
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Tbh, whilst Naseem merited a call up and the retirements had an impact in his selection, they didn't have to pick him. There were more experienced options such as Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil or even Rahat Ali.

The point is that the management were not forced to pick Naseem.
 
The Viper said:
Tbh, whilst Naseem merited a call up and the retirements had an impact in his selection, they didn't have to pick him. There were more experienced options such as Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil or even Rahat Ali.

The point is that the management were not forced to pick Naseem.
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He should have been tried in T20Is.
 
If this is true, Wasim Khan and pcb management are really dumb. The purpose of u-19 is to unearth a new talent. Naseem shah has nothing left to prove at lower level. He should be focusing on the next level where he already has been selected and appreciated.a new talent should be tried out for Pakistan. I read on Cricinfo izaj Ahmed exclusively asking for him. Seems like he wants to win something and keep his job instead of developing new talent. If he plays no wonder then Pakistan cricket is going down because of such shambolic and selfish management
 
lifecric7 said:
If this is true, Wasim Khan and pcb management are really dumb. The purpose of u-19 is to unearth a new talent. Naseem shah has nothing left to prove at lower level. He should be focusing on the next level where he already has been selected and appreciated.a new talent should be tried out for Pakistan. I read on Cricinfo izaj Ahmed exclusively asking for him. Seems like he wants to win something and keep his job instead of developing new talent. If he plays no wonder then Pakistan cricket is going down because of such shambolic and selfish management
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There's no domestic tournament on at the time, and he's not in the running for home tests.
 
Apparently Ahmed Shehzad was another who debuted for pakistan at 17 then went in to play U19. There’s no way these guys are U19 and putting them in that circle is just taking years out of their international career.
 
I thought playing first class cricket made you un-eligible to be apart of the U-19 WC squad?
 
CadPakFan said:
I thought playing first class cricket made you un-eligible to be apart of the U-19 WC squad?
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No it does not. That will disqualify main players of the Indian team.

I don't understand the negative reaction. His involvement will raise the standard of the competition. U19 boys will get to face genuine 90mph+ test bowler in South Africa. He will face better batsman than local domestic ones.
 
Bewal Express said:
If its true( and I don't believe it) The stupidity of putting Naseem back in U19 cricket is mind boggling.
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What stupidity? This is only one single tournament. He will help Pakistan do well and once he is done with this he is back with the seniors. Don’t know why people are making a big deal of it.
 
IAJ said:
What stupidity? This is only one single tournament. He will help Pakistan do well and once he is done with this he is back with the seniors. Don’t know why people are making a big deal of it.
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Because he has gone past the level. You use these tournaments to find talent, you found him. Find other talent, there isn't prizes for winning this.
 
Really can't see what Misbah/PCB have planned for him. If he is the finest prospect that Pakistan have then there should be a proper development plan for him instead of deciding his future on the whims of the U19 coach.

First you expose him in a test series in what is easily the most difficult tour on the cricketing circuit and then decide not to play him at home (where he has already performed well in FC games) against a relatively weaker opponent. A few wickets against SL would give him much more confidence than anything that he does at an age group event.

More importantly the development of these young pacers will assist Pakistan in realigning their game around their pace attack which is the only way Pakistan is going to win away games in the future.
 
Saj said:
This just shows how clueless the think-tank is regarding the development of young players.

One day he's sent to Australia in the senior squad and next he's classed as an Under 19 player.

No direction, no vision, no proper planning.
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Axis of incompetence - Waqar, Misbah, Azhar.
 
Its better he stays away from Waqar and Misbah until their time ends? Wasting 3 years than whole career is a wise decision.
 
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