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Naseem Shah withdrawn from Pakistan Under-19 squad for 2020 World Cup [Update Post #161]

Should Naseem Shah be a part of the Under-19 World Cup squad?

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He Should spend couple of years in under 19 and FC For now.

He needs to be developed we don't want him to end up like Hassan Ali
 
Naseem Shah should definitely play U19 World Cup. He needs to have more and more experience before playing at the top level. FC should be his priority to gain experience. He's young and his time will come. PPers need to relax a bit. He's only 17-18.
 
Looks like Ijaz is hell bent on winning the u19 world cup. Under 19 is for emerging players. Naseem is head and shoulders above other groupmates. He doesn't belong at u19 level. It's like Amir playing 2012 u19 world cup after playing 2010 England test series.
 
emranabbas said:
He Should spend couple of years in under 19 and FC For now.

He needs to be developed we don't want him to end up like Hassan Ali
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He should be playing first class not under 19s. He has already bowled to the likes of Warner and Smith. His development will be reversed if he goes back to that level. Maybe he should go and play some county second XI matches if we really want him to improve.
 
If they were seriously considering him for u19, why the hell send him to Australia?

No one’s joking when they say this think tank has no planning even for the short term. The mind boggles.
 
What is the big deal with Naseem Shah playing in the Under 19 World Cup. Well he's not going to play ahead of Abbas nor Afridi in the test against Bangladesh so he'll be just going to be sitting there most likely, and there isn't any first class matches being played at that time.

Let him go to SAF and learn how those types of pitches are like and potentially win the thing. Get into the habit of winning.

And what rule is there that he can play sport at the highest level but then can't in a Youth level tournament. Did you know that Messi was already playing Champions League football with Barca before he won with Argentina the U20 World Cup, and he was given his first full international cap just 2 months after that.

Playing or not playing either have no impact on the overall career of a player. There is no harm if he goes.
 
Well it's obvious Pakistan are targeting short term glory and not thinking long term. It looks like if they can push him to win the world cup then that can keep the public happy for some time. They aren't thinking how detrimental this will be for his career. Also didn't he play last WC too? If so he should automatically be stopped from this one...
 
It feels like a step backwards.

If the system feels young Naseem is a case of work in progress then he should be sent tk play first class cricket.

Like said by other posters already, only purpose U-19 serves is as stepping stone for teenagers to get noticed. He's already been noticed and he's already played the highest level of cricket. Playing U-19 cricket now means nothing and he will not gain much from it.
 
U19 WC is supposed to be a show piece event for young and upcoming talent. Not for somebody who has already played Test Cricket. The moment you play International Cricket, you shouldn't be eligible for age group cricket.
 
If Naseem doesn't perform in the world cup, it will cause a severe dent to his career. Very very bad decision to select him.
 
This is a good shout.

Let the kid get as much competitive cricket as possible under his belt. Their will be plenty of chances to play domestic cricket, heck they will even be alot more chances to play for Pakistan - however, this is probably his only chance to play an under 19 world cup.

I think he would benefit alot more from the under 19 world cup then he would from being chucked into the the SL Test squad at this point.

Hopefully he can go to the World Cup and perform well.

I don't get this argument of "this is bad for Naseem's confidence" or "this is a bad decision because if he doesn't perform he will lose confidence".

The guy is playing competitive sport - if he loses confidence because he is picked to represent his country in a world cup or because he is afraid to fail - we have much bigger issues.
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
The kid is super talented. His confidence will take a beating let's say if he ends up having a bad day against young Indian batters. Anyway, we can agree to disagree. I don't support this decision.
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To be honest - 'hiding' away from top competition will taint him forever.
 
i dont agree with this what so ever..i can see ijaz being very selfish here..we have sri lanka and bangladesh coming up i dont see any pacers we have that can trouble them
 
Azhar Ali on Naseem Shah

"The bowling attack is young and has shown promise. Naseem Shah bowled well in 1st Test and showed that he has a bright future. Shaheen Shah has improved, he was bowling with consistency. He did a lot of work on his fitness and on his bowling. It doesn't look good in the wickets column but there is promise showing and they will be much better in the near future"
 
TalhaSyed said:
This is a good shout.

Let the kid get as much competitive cricket as possible under his belt. Their will be plenty of chances to play domestic cricket, heck they will even be alot more chances to play for Pakistan - however, this is probably his only chance to play an under 19 world cup.

I think he would benefit alot more from the under 19 world cup then he would from being chucked into the the SL Test squad at this point.

Hopefully he can go to the World Cup and perform well.

I don't get this argument of "this is bad for Naseem's confidence" or "this is a bad decision because if he doesn't perform he will lose confidence".

The guy is playing competitive sport - if he loses confidence because he is picked to represent his country in a world cup or because he is afraid to fail - we have much bigger issues.
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Why is this important- its a tournament to find new talent, he has been found. They did the same with Razzaq in 98.
 
Bewal Express said:
Why is this important- its a tournament to find new talent, he has been found. They did the same with Razzaq in 98.
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I disagree.

It's a World Cup and a good opportunity for all the players involved to gain valuable experience and make a name for themselves. In doing so the players need to prove themselves and push their career prospects further.

These aren't net trials at the local club where you go to get discovered. We need to start taking junior cricket competitions and grass route cricket more seriously - only then will the players have the mental strength and required cricketing skills when they get to the international level.

It's an under 19 cricket world cup, so we should send the best cricket players we have, aged under 19 - simple.

We have trials, grass route cricket, club cricket, domestic cricket, PSL etc. to discover young talent. That is not what a junior World Cup is for. Discovering young cricket talent is a by-product of taking junior world cups seriously and sending your best team.

If all the teams stop sending their best under 19 players because they are already confident in their abilities, and expect them to play international cricket in the future, what would even be the point of having this competition?
 
Saleem Jaffer: "If Naseem Shah is required in the Pakistan main team then of course that is the priority. We have till 9th January to replace him if he is picked, we will consider options in the reserves if that happens."
 
It feels a little weird to see an international cricketer play age group cricket.

Dravid believes if a player has already played an U-19 WC, he should prove himself in FC cricket and then vie for higher honours in international cricket. So, no Indian player is allowed to play a second U19 WC even if he was 15 yrs old when he played the first U19 WC. Chances should be given to other talented cricketers who may be spotted and then picked for their respective FC teams.
 
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TalhaSyed said:
I disagree.

It's a World Cup and a good opportunity for all the players involved to gain valuable experience and make a name for themselves. In doing so the players need to prove themselves and push their career prospects further.

These aren't net trials at the local club where you go to get discovered. We need to start taking junior cricket competitions and grass route cricket more seriously - only then will the players have the mental strength and required cricketing skills when they get to the international level.

It's an under 19 cricket world cup, so we should send the best cricket players we have, aged under 19 - simple.

We have trials, grass route cricket, club cricket, domestic cricket, PSL etc. to discover young talent. That is not what a junior World Cup is for. Discovering young cricket talent is a by-product of taking junior world cups seriously and sending your best team.

If all the teams stop sending their best under 19 players because they are already confident in their abilities, and expect them to play international cricket in the future, what would even be the point of having this competition?
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Valuable experience of what? The U19 teams are no better than club teams, a good Birmingham league team would beat all of the teams because the standard is pretty low. If he hadn't played for PK then fine but he has. He is in no win position, if he does well then everyone will say so what and if he gets hit around, his confidence will take a huge knock. Just a stupid decision.
 
If he does well in the SL series and is in the frame for the BD series, I don't think he will be going.
 
Bewal Express said:
Valuable experience of what? The U19 teams are no better than club teams, a good Birmingham league team would beat all of the teams because the standard is pretty low. If he hadn't played for PK then fine but he has. He is in no win position, if he does well then everyone will say so what and if he gets hit around, his confidence will take a huge knock. Just a stupid decision.
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If he gets hit around in under 19 cricket then simply he isn't ready for international cricket
If he does well it will only build his confidence.

We are making this mistake for the 1000th time anyone with bit of potential we just throw them in the deep end instead of developing the player, only to find out the short comings couple of years down the line and ending the poor guys careers

Yes he has potential but he's not set the world on fire Vs Australia

FGS he's only played 8 FC games and 4 T20's in his entire careers lets him gain some experience and build him self as a top bowler.

Under 19 will only help him and find out where he really stands you can't judge him based on 1 tests where he hasn't done that great.
 
Abdullah719 said:
If he does well in the SL series and is in the frame for the BD series, I don't think he will be going.
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I am not sure they will even play him in SL series. They are just toying with young guy. They should have let him play u19 World Cup rather than all this confusion
 
emranabbas said:
If he gets hit around in under 19 cricket then simply he isn't ready for international cricket
If he does well it will only build his confidence.

We are making this mistake for the 1000th time anyone with bit of potential we just throw them in the deep end instead of developing the player, only to find out the short comings couple of years down the line and ending the poor guys careers

Yes he has potential but he's not set the world on fire Vs Australia

FGS he's only played 8 FC games and 4 T20's in his entire careers lets him gain some experience and build him self as a top bowler.

Under 19 will only help him and find out where he really stands you can't judge him based on 1 tests where he hasn't done that great.
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He bowled pretty much Ok against Australia and should have payed 2nd test. I want him to play tests as that is best format to develop skills if he has fitness. But if he’s going to warm the bench he should rather play u19 WC
 
hur rizvi said:
He bowled pretty much Ok against Australia and should have payed 2nd test. I want him to play tests as that is best format to develop skills if he has fitness. But if he’s going to warm the bench he should rather play u19 WC
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It shouldn't be about what you want him to do it should be about what's best for him

He should be developed to be crawling first then walking and then running

If we get him run from day 1 he isn't going to going to go far

We should develop players so they last at least good 6-7 years minimum

We can't judge naseem based on half a test

I don't think he bowled well is he's striking at 120 that's basically a wicket after every 20 overs, but yes he has potential and he could be developed to be a top bowler and like I said he can't be judged based on half a test
 
Well playing a test player in U19 WC surely gives Pakistan a better chance of winning that tournament , so why complain? It might give you some future cricketers with some confidence and who feel like they can beat the best — compared with the loser mentality common these days in the Pakistan team.
 
emranabbas said:
If he gets hit around in under 19 cricket then simply he isn't ready for international cricket
If he does well it will only build his confidence.

We are making this mistake for the 1000th time anyone with bit of potential we just throw them in the deep end instead of developing the player, only to find out the short comings couple of years down the line and ending the poor guys careers

Yes he has potential but he's not set the world on fire Vs Australia

FGS he's only played 8 FC games and 4 T20's in his entire careers lets him gain some experience and build him self as a top bowler.

Under 19 will only help him and find out where he really stands you can't judge him based on 1 tests where he hasn't done that great.
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If you know your cricket, you will know that it doesn't work like that. Bowlers hone in on a length for 1st class cricket which they try to relentlessly practice, that length doesn't work at the lower levels of cricket. He should be able to adjust but as we know it doesn't work like that for experienced bowlers, never mind young ones. He is ready for the test team and should not drop down.
 
“Pakistani Cricket Team’s players are going to U-19s. U-19s are going to U-16s, U-16s to U-13s & U-13s back to their mothers’ laps. For God’s sake PCB, correct the ages & don’t destroy (your reputation) by working with crooked diploma doctors, don’t make a joke of yourself.” - Rashid Latif
 
I'd rather he played for the Under 19s than sitting carrying towels and drinks versus Sri Lanka.
 
emranabbas said:
It shouldn't be about what you want him to do it should be about what's best for him

He should be developed to be crawling first then walking and then running

If we get him run from day 1 he isn't going to going to go far

We should develop players so they last at least good 6-7 years minimum

We can't judge naseem based on half a test

I don't think he bowled well is he's striking at 120 that's basically a wicket after every 20 overs, but yes he has potential and he could be developed to be a top bowler and like I said he can't be judged based on half a test
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I want him to play tests because that is best place to develop him not T20s or u19 wc

I think we can agree to disagree he bowled pretty well despite what stats might say
 
Saj said:
I'd rather he played for the Under 19s than sitting carrying towels and drinks versus Sri Lanka.
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Pretty much this. Best to play him in pindi and rest him in Karachi to manage work load but if he has to warm the bench for whole time let him play u19 wc
 
Majid Khan said:
Well playing a test player in U19 WC surely gives Pakistan a better chance of winning that tournament , so why complain? It might give you some future cricketers with some confidence and who feel like they can beat the best — compared with the loser mentality common these days in the Pakistan team.
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Problem is confusion. Let him focus on test cricket or U19s. Don’t make him U19 cricketer one day and test cricketer other day
 
I don't mind him playing the Under 19 WC. This way he'll be exposed to top future talent from other countries. As these guys will be in the same age bracket, he will gain a better understanding of who the other emerging stars are and who his future rivals will be. Will help him in the future if he's beaten them in the past
 
Vastunna said:
U19 WC is supposed to be a show piece event for young and upcoming talent. Not for somebody who has already played Test Cricket. The moment you play International Cricket, you shouldn't be eligible for age group cricket.
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Exactly, isnt the whole point of Under-19 to find raw teenage talent for the team? Including Naseem in the team would probably mean that a young teenager would have lost the opportunity to showcase his skills & be discovered. Naseem is already in the system - if he needs match practice it has to be through FC or the A team circuits, not under-19 levels.
 
Saj said:
I'd rather he played for the Under 19s than sitting carrying towels and drinks versus Sri Lanka.
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Karachi, Dec 8 (PTI) Pakistan's 16-year-old pace sensation Naseem Shah is likely to be replaced in the national squad for the ICC U-19 World Cup after he was on Sunday called up for the home Test series against Sri Lanka.

A reliable source in the Pakistan Cricket Board said since the requirements of the senior team were more important, it was decided to play Naseem in the Test matches against Sri Lanka this month and then against Bangladesh in January.

'Two reserve pacers have already been named in the camp and if Naseem is required for national duty he will be replaced as he can't play for both the senior and junior teams,' the source said.

Naseem was last week named in Pakistan's 15-member squad for the U-19 World Cup in South Africa after the national junior head coach Ejaz Ahmed specifically requested for the teenager.

But on Sunday, the senior national team's head coach-cum-chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq named Naseem in a 16-member squad that will play against Sri Lanka in two Tests this month in Rawalpindi and Karachi.

The ICC U-19 World Cup will clash with the Pakistan vs Bangladesh two-match Test series and three T20 International contest in January.

Pakistan's bowling coach Waqar Younis and Misbah have already faced criticism for talking about workload management for the fast bowlers but at the same time allowing Naseem to be picked in the national under-19 squad.

Naseem made his Test debut against Australia in Brisbane last month after much hype and bowled 20 overs. He was not played in the second Test in Adelaide, a day/night affair as Waqar talked about how best to manage the younger fast bowlers. PTI Corr PDS PDS PDS

https://in.news.yahoo.com/naseem-may-replaced-u-19-163714295.html
 
Bewal Express said:
Valuable experience of what? The U19 teams are no better than club teams, a good Birmingham league team would beat all of the teams because the standard is pretty low. If he hadn't played for PK then fine but he has. He is in no win position, if he does well then everyone will say so what and if he gets hit around, his confidence will take a huge knock. Just a stupid decision.
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In my opinion it's a World Cup - not a trial camp.

We can't not select our best players for a World Cup because we are afraid that their confidence is too fragile and will shatter if they fail.
 
TalhaSyed said:
In my opinion it's a World Cup - not a trial camp.

We can't not select our best players for a World Cup because we are afraid that their confidence is too fragile and will shatter if they fail.
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Tell me what the point of this WC is? Yes to discover new talent, has he been discovered, yes. The other issue is even more basic one, he claimed he was 17( according to @Saj) and today he is still 17 a year and 1/2 year after he was interviewed, so most likely he is over age anyway. Winning these tournaments makes no difference, finding new is.
 
Bewal Express said:
Tell me what the point of this WC is? Yes to discover new talent, has he been discovered, yes. The other issue is even more basic one, he claimed he was 17( according to @Saj) and today he is still 17 a year and 1/2 year after he was interviewed, so most likely he is over age anyway. Winning these tournaments makes no difference, finding new is.
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What's the point in any World Cup? To prove you are the best in the world.

It's not a trial camp or domestic cricket. THAT is where you find new talent.

You use world cups to give your best players the opportunity to play against best players from around the world.

Whether he or any of the players are actually 19 and under is a whole different issue and not applicable to what is being discussed here. The discussion here is whether a player who has played for the national team should be playing Under 19 or not. If you wanna go down the "is he actually under 19 route" please feel free to review the ages of all the players in the team and let us know what you find. That's a whole different issue which needs to be addressed regardless.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Humble suggestion 2 Junior selection committee not 2 send Naseem shah to play under 19 world cup.He already played international cricket & should work hard Technically & Physically to get better at that level.Would be fruitful to use this opportunity to send any other fast bowler</p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1209165863288541184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Humble suggestion 2 Junior selection committee not 2 send Naseem shah to play under 19 world cup.He already played international cricket & should work hard Technically & Physically to get better at that level.Would be fruitful to use this opportunity to send any other fast bowler</p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1209165863288541184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Hafeez making sense again.
 
I agree with Hafeez as Naseem has now played his 3rd test match and looks to be developing well at this level so no point of sending him to U19 WC. If he would have played just one off test and management needed him to have bit more game time in domestics and junior level then it was fine but now its unnecessary.
 
By the way does anyone know will this be another record has any player played test cricket already and than goes onto play the u19 World Cup as well
 
Shaheen, Naseem, Sameem, Husnain should all play. Don't let any team cross 80
 
Will be a great opportunity for u19 players around the World to get a taste of international cricket when they face one of the best talents in World.

The players who play him well have ingredients to represent their national side one day.
 
Should Naseem Shah Play The U19 WC

U19 World Cup is supposed to be the show case event for upcoming talented players across the cricketing world. This tournament helps the kids to get a taste of international cricket before they step in to the brutal world of higher level cricket.

BCCI makes sure no player plays a second U19 WC even if his age permits for this very reason. Now should Naseem Shah, who is a well reputed up and coming international player play the U19 WC ?? Shouldn't this place be given to another deserving youngster who needs a platform to show case to the world his capabilities.

Is it not the job of PCB to make sure they give a chance to maximum possible number of players in such a tournament. What is the point of having a proven international cricketer in this tournament.

Discuss.
 
He isn’t a “proven” international cricketer. If we don’t have any international commitments at the time of the WC then he should go. The more match time he gets the better.
 
CleverSir said:
He isn’t a “proven” international cricketer. If we don’t have any international commitments at the time of the WC then he should go. The more match time he gets the better.
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You are depriving another young player of his rightful chance. Naseem has proven he belongs to this stage.
 
No. We've already seen what Naseem has to offer, and it's clear that he will continue to play for Pakistan. This is a good oppertiunity to give others a chance and see their potential.
 
CleverSir said:
He isn’t a “proven” international cricketer. If we don’t have any international commitments at the time of the WC then he should go. The more match time he gets the better.
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I won't hand him over to another coaching staff for a lengthy tournament. Too many coaches experimenting on him, trying to take credit will spoil him.

PCT and his domestic team, that's all he should be limited to, for 2-3 years.
 
last_knight said:
I won't hand him over to another coaching staff for a lengthy tournament. Too many coaches experimenting on him, trying to take credit will spoil him.

PCT and his domestic team, that's all he should be limited to, for 2-3 years.
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Very good point - Waqar Younis needs to take charge here and ensure that Naseem's progress is controlled at all times.
 
Now it all makes sense - why he’s 16 years old again, like in 2017.
 
Doesn't make sense for him to skip the QeA final due to workload management, then end up playing an inconsequential youth tournament.

This is some next level 4D chess by the PCB :facepalm:
 
Naseem should not go but As with most management structures there are incentivised bonuses for winning trophies, and no doubt someone's bonus will be dependent on this and thus he will go to serve no purpose except to make it more likely. In 98 Razzaq went and we still lost.
 
Naseem and Shaheen should play the final would be good for their development in longer format.It would be nice to see Shaheen challenge Babar,Azhar,Salahuddin etc while Naseem battle against Zeeshan,Hader and Rohail will be good for everyone development.
 
The U19 WC really should be about exposing the next generation of international cricketers, not giving gametime to somebody who's already made it to international level.
 
He shouldn’t play at this level anymore. His goal should be about testing himself against the big boys. He has already represented Pakistan at the international level so it’s pointless for him to play at a lower level.
 
Camp starts soon and he's still not been told if he will be part of the Under 19 World Cup squad.
 
Saj said:
Camp starts soon and he's still not been told if he will be part of the Under 19 World Cup squad.
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Why dont they just include Hasnain in the squad. He is still 19. The Under 19 WC, could do him a lot of good.
 
Excellent, he needs to further develop his nouse for bowling, also there's no substitute for competitive cricket
 
I'd have him play the world cup and then Play the end of the pSl.
Pcb would need to agree some payment on compensation to naseem/QG
 
Someone with a 5-fer in test cricket does not belong in under-19's. I am sure there are other young pacers who can use the exposure.
 
I don't think he's too keen to play in the World Cup. I'm sure he'd rather prepare for the possible Bangladesh series.
 
Reports suggest that this decision will be taken today.
 
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