National Geographic confirms Quranic science

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[sadida97]

What do you guys think ?

 

[Jadz]

This reminds me of Q41:53 -

We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?

The Qur'an is a Book that keeps on revealing its secrets, that is why its study is so important. There are many Verses of a scientific nature, and the Early Muslims made great advancements in all fields of knowledge on the basis of them.

 

[Black Zero]

What do you guys think ?

Without wasting 9:40 minutes, I think this clip is just another propaganda clip.
If you are interested in discussion, summarize the case presented in the clip and then we can see go from there.

 

[Sidilicious]

Without wasting 9:40 minutes, I think this clip is just another propaganda clip.
If you are interested in discussion, summarize the case presented in the clip and then we can see go from there.

I just did some research into the claim from Quran and found the claim to be fairly vague. I guess the source the OP is claiming is where the Quran claims that water came from heavens.

And that is not what is mentioned in the video. The video claims that the water came from meteorites from the outer asteroid belt. It is not the same as claiming as water came from heavens.

When mentioning that water came form heavens in the Quran, I would think that the the Quran would have meant an actual 'heaven' or wherever 'God' resides. If the Quran actually meant some celestial body, then it should have actually said that.

PS - I am a man of science and an atheist.

 

[Black Zero]

I just did some research into the claim from Quran and found the claim to be fairly vague. I guess the source the OP is claiming is where the Quran claims that water came from heavens.

And that is not what is mentioned in the video. The video claims that the water came from meteorites from the outer asteroid belt. It is not the same as claiming as water came from heavens.

When mentioning that water came form heavens in the Quran, I would think that the the Quran would have meant an actual 'heaven' or wherever 'God' resides. If the Quran actually meant some celestial body, then it should have actually said that.

PS - I am a man of science and an atheist.

I am sad that you wasted 10 minutes.

There is nothing original in Quran, the things mentioned in the book were common knowledge (incorrect/correct) of that time in that region.

 

[ManFan]

I am sad that you wasted 10 minutes.

There is nothing original in Quran, the things mentioned in the book were common knowledge (incorrect/correct) of that time in that region.

You can deny the Quran but how can you deny the PBUH? The single greatest revolution and that too in a span of 23 years. A man who was an orphan, illiterate, and not influential in society managed to unite the Arab tribes, ban alcohol and prostitution, give WOMEN rights to inheritance and respect, establish a thriving trade, economic, political, and social model, and was ranked as the #1 most influential person in history by Michael H. Hart.

 

[troodon]

You can deny the Quran but how can you deny the PBUH? The single greatest revolution and that too in a span of 23 years. A man who was an orphan, illiterate, and not influential in society managed to unite the Arab tribes, ban alcohol and prostitution, give WOMEN rights to inheritance and respect, establish a thriving trade, economic, political, and social model, and was ranked as the #1 most influential person in history by Michael H. Hart.

Doesn't that make him a great social reformer rather than a Prophet of God?

 

[LegCutter]

You can deny the Quran but how can you deny the PBUH? The single greatest revolution and that too in a span of 23 years. A man who was an orphan, illiterate, and not influential in society managed to unite the Arab tribes, ban alcohol and prostitution, give WOMEN rights to inheritance and respect, establish a thriving trade, economic, political, and social model, and was ranked as the #1 most influential person in history by Michael H. Hart.

Not to counter your argument (PBUH was indeed a great man) but that's a massive deflection from the post made in OP.

The greatest thing about the Quran is it's ambiguity. You can use the ambiguity to flaunt any position you want to take (like taking credit for scientific achievements that were discovered later on). But at the same time when the verse is more controversial (like some of the ones that are more unscientific), the ambiguity of the verse can then be used to defend itself.

That's also why anyone from ISIS can pick a bloodthirsty verse to defend their warmongering path, and a liberal Muslim can pick their verses to defend their liberal positions. Each school of thought claiming dibs on the other groups being misinformed and led astray.
That ambiguity is what I believe to be the Quran's greatest achievement.

 

[Nostalgic]

...and was ranked as the #1 most influential person in history by Michael H. Hart.

I wish people would stop bringing up the Michael Hart book. I've been hearing about it for over three decades now, and from school all the way to university, there wasn't a single Islamiyat teacher who didn't make it a point to bring the guy and his book up.

Hart is a self-confessed "white separatist," moves around in racist circles, and is discredited as an academic. For someone of his ilk to rank the Prophet PBUH as the most influential person doesn't help make the point, it hurts it.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

You can deny the Quran but how can you deny the PBUH? The single greatest revolution and that too in a span of 23 years. A man who was an orphan, illiterate, and not influential in society managed to unite the Arab tribes, ban alcohol and prostitution, give WOMEN rights to inheritance and respect, establish a thriving trade, economic, political, and social model, and was ranked as the #1 most influential person in history by Michael H. Hart.

Since when did "Madinat-ul-Ilm" (City of Knowledge) become illiterate???

Off-topic but I couldn't resist.

With regards to the claim in OP, I don't think there should be any surprises there. Those who deny Quran either haven't received guidance yet or have "eyes with which they donot see".

 

[Major]

Since when did "Madinat-ul-Ilm" (City of Knowledge) become illiterate???

Off-topic but I couldn't resist.

With regards to the claim in OP, I don't think there should be any surprises there. Those who deny Quran either haven't received guidance yet or have "eyes with which they donot see".

i love it how we defend something which we were brainwashed to accept from the moment we were born.

 

[Heisenberg]

You can deny the Quran but how can you deny the PBUH? The single greatest revolution and that too in a span of 23 years. A man who was an orphan, illiterate, and not influential in society managed to unite the Arab tribes, ban alcohol and prostitution, give WOMEN rights to inheritance and respect, establish a thriving trade, economic, political, and social model, and was ranked as the #1 most influential person in history by Michael H. Hart.

Let's assume all that is true. Was he a merchant who worked for Khadija or was he illiterate? I'm assuming nobody else was an Oxford graduate at the time.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

i love it how we defend something which we were brainwashed to accept from the moment we were born.

Which is exactly why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world........................

 

[LegCutter]

Which is exactly why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world........................

It's the fastest growing religion because Muslims have more kids than Non-Muslims.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

 

[IAJ]

The biggest problem with discussing Islam and science on this forum is that you don’t have many posters here who have knowledge about Quran and science at same time, so it becomes difficult to defend the miracles of Quran.

And the atheists here know exactly how to take advantage of that, and that is pity actually because Quran covers everything but you simply don’t have knowledeable posters to justify that. So of there are some here please come forward.

 

[IAJ]

I just did some research into the claim from Quran and found the claim to be fairly vague. I guess the source the OP is claiming is where the Quran claims that water came from heavens.

And that is not what is mentioned in the video. The video claims that the water came from meteorites from the outer asteroid belt. It is not the same as claiming as water came from heavens.

When mentioning that water came form heavens in the Quran, I would think that the the Quran would have meant an actual 'heaven' or wherever 'God' resides. If the Quran actually meant some celestial body, then it should have actually said that.

PS - I am a man of science and an atheist.

Have you even watched the whole video? Did you read the last verses at the end of the video?

 

[IAJ]

I am sad that you wasted 10 minutes.

There is nothing original in Quran, the things mentioned in the book were common knowledge (incorrect/correct) of that time in that region.

Just a simple question; how a human is formed im mothers womb, all the details, that was also known to common people? Just asking.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Just a simple question; how a human is formed im mothers womb, all the details, that was also known to common people? Just asking.

The atheists can't answer a simple question. How did matter and energy combine to create consciousness.

 

[Heisenberg]

Just a simple question; how a human is formed im mothers womb, all the details, that was also known to common people? Just asking.

The Qur'an describes it as people knew then. Strangely similar to what the Greek thought in fact so it's nothing special. Especially if you compare it to what modern science says because then it just becomes incorrect. Zakir Naik will still try to claim a miracle and delude millions into thinking it is.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

It's the fastest growing religion because Muslims have more kids than Non-Muslims.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Did you even read the article mate?

It says Muslim women have an average of 2.9 children while Christian women have an average of 2.6.

Do you honestly think that such a small difference would be the ONLY factor in Islam being the fastest growing religion?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Did you even read the article mate?

It says Muslim women have an average of 2.9 children while Christian women have an average of 2.6.

Do you honestly think that such a small difference would be the ONLY factor in Islam being the fastest growing religion?

Agreed. This is a very minute difference, and anyway fertility rate has to be seen with mortality rate.

 

[ManFan]

Since when did "Madinat-ul-Ilm" (City of Knowledge) become illiterate???

Off-topic but I couldn't resist.

With regards to the claim in OP, I don't think there should be any surprises there. Those who deny Quran either haven't received guidance yet or have "eyes with which they donot see".

The PBUH could not read or write. I am not sure if he could do so after the revelation of the Quran.

 

[ManFan]

I wish people would stop bringing up the Michael Hart book. I've been hearing about it for over three decades now, and from school all the way to university, there wasn't a single Islamiyat teacher who didn't make it a point to bring the guy and his book up.

Hart is a self-confessed "white separatist," moves around in racist circles, and is discredited as an academic. For someone of his ilk to rank the Prophet PBUH as the most influential person doesn't help make the point, it hurts it.

You raise fair points but the book is still very popular and sold a large number of copies in the last century. The fact that it is still brought up in conversations like this show its influence. If he is a white separatist than wouldn't that make it more astonishing that he ranked the PBUH as #1 after Jesus Christ and Newton?

 

[humzy]

The biggest problem with discussing Islam and science on this forum is that you don’t have many posters here who have knowledge about Quran and science at same time, so it becomes difficult to defend the miracles of Quran.

And the atheists here know exactly how to take advantage of that, and that is pity actually because Quran covers everything but you simply don’t have knowledeable posters to justify that. So of there are some here please come forward.

The problem is that Atheists are coming from a place of reason and logic which is in essence a scientific method.

I wish more religious people came from this same place however usually religious people come from a place of superstition. The fact is you cannot truthfully argue for scientific miracles within the Quran through reason and logic because there is none.

All i have ever heard is some baseless and extremely far fetched connections between verses and current scientific advancements.

The fact that the Quran is so ambiguous and open to interpretation (see Sufism vs Wahhabism) means that people can make these connections which was never there to begin with.

 

[ManFan]

The problem is that Atheists are coming from a place of reason and logic which is in essence a scientific method.

I wish more religious people came from this same place however usually religious people come from a place of superstition. The fact is you cannot truthfully argue for scientific miracles within the Quran through reason and logic because there is none.

All i have ever heard is some baseless and extremely far fetched connections between verses and current scientific advancements.

The fact that the Quran is so ambiguous and open to interpretation (see Sufism vs Wahhabism) means that people can make these connections which was never there to begin with.

I would recommend researching Islamic scholars rather than judging an entire religion on uneducated individuals on the subject such as myself.

 

[IAJ]

The problem is that Atheists are coming from a place of reason and logic which is in essence a scientific method.

I wish more religious people came from this same place however usually religious people come from a place of superstition. The fact is you cannot truthfully argue for scientific miracles within the Quran through reason and logic because there is none.

All i have ever heard is some baseless and extremely far fetched connections between verses and current scientific advancements.

The fact that the Quran is so ambiguous and open to interpretation (see Sufism vs Wahhabism) means that people can make these connections which was never there to begin with.

Well then you have probably not listned to the scholars who have knolwledge about this.
I would recommend you to listen to Shaykh Hamza Karmali who actually explains why God has to exist, also from a scientific point of view. This is very detailed lecure which is divided into 40 parts.
He also explains how atheists contradict themselves talking about the creation of universe. An easy example is how a universe which is expanding must have a start if you go backwards.
Just have a listen bro and you will understand.

http://seekershub.org/podcast/names/why-islam-is-true/page/2/

 

[troodon]

Well then you have probably not listned to the scholars who have knolwledge about this.
I would recommend you to listen to Shaykh Hamza Karmali who actually explains why God has to exist, also from a scientific point of view. This is very detailed lecure which is divided into 40 parts.
He also explains how atheists contradict themselves talking about the creation of universe. An easy example is how a universe which is expanding must have a start if you go backwards.
Just have a listen bro and you will understand.

http://seekershub.org/podcast/names/why-islam-is-true/page/2/

Science now believes that it is not just Universe now. It is a multiverse. Our universe is just one among multiverse.

Each universe is like an ever expanding bubble.

Just because there is an origin to our universe does not mean that God has to exist. It means there is more mystery to be solved.

If we accept that everything is done by God, we would be living in caves and blaming/crediting God for all events that happen around us. Thankfully, some thinking people(whether believers or athiests) did not take God as an answer for everything.

 

[amax]

excellent article of dr pervez hoodbhoy on linking Science and Islam lol

https://tribune.com.pk/story/318468/on-neutrinos-and-angels/

 

[IAJ]

Science now believes that it is not just Universe now. It is a multiverse. Our universe is just one among multiverse.

Each universe is like an ever expanding bubble.

Just because there is an origin to our universe does not mean that God has to exist. It means there is more mystery to be solved.

If we accept that everything is done by God, we would be living in caves and blaming/crediting God for all events that happen around us. Thankfully, some thinking people(whether believers or athiests) did not take God as an answer for everything.

There is no mystery at all. The fact that the universe exists is itself evidence of that God exists.

Universe exists, but it could also have not existed, hence the existense of universe is contingent.

And the Universe had a beginning (since it is expanding). So when something could not exist and in order to exist it demands that someone made it exist, the argument of creation. And that someone must be a necessary being; GOD.

And Belief in God co-exists with science, it does not conflict with science. An example of that is that God sends down the rain and the rain gives life to earth, these are divine actions. The rain brings forth vegetation from the ground, this is what the science also tells right?, hence de devine actions co-exists with scientific explantions. And there are similar other examples in the Noble Quran.

God governs the Universe in a scientfically coherent way, that means belief in God co-exists with science..

 

[humzy]

Well then you have probably not listned to the scholars who have knolwledge about this.
I would recommend you to listen to Shaykh Hamza Karmali who actually explains why God has to exist, also from a scientific point of view. This is very detailed lecure which is divided into 40 parts.
He also explains how atheists contradict themselves talking about the creation of universe. An easy example is how a universe which is expanding must have a start if you go backwards.
Just have a listen bro and you will understand.

http://seekershub.org/podcast/names/why-islam-is-true/page/2/

I am not talking about the existence of god I am specifically talking about linking Quranic verses to Science. I am not an atheist and have a fairly strong belief that there is a higher conciousness.

 

[Mughal]

Without wasting 9:40 minutes, I think this clip is just another propaganda clip.
If you are interested in discussion, summarize the case presented in the clip and then we can see go from there.

Dear black zero, it is no use summarising anything for anyone because we have no idea what level of knowledge one already has to understand something. However we all try to detail things for each other in order to help each other understand things about something. Even then we do not know how much detail anyone should provide anyone that will help someone understand the thing. This is why we keep arguing with each other due to our lack of proper understanding of something. Each individual has his or her own way of understanding things.

Main ideas expressed by individuals are whole ideas and unless one tries to see the whole thing one cannot understand where one is coming from. For example, a person who invented television he worked out the whole thing first in his mind and then once he was ready he explained it to others as a complete process. If one started to question things without first understanding the explanation of the thing the person gave then he too will have learned but it will have taken the person a very long time. This is why it is important for us to listen and understand an idea and then where things fail to make sense one could look for further explanations from the person with original idea.

Likewise I try to understand the quran my way according to my knowledge of things. This is why I try to explain it to others my way. In my view if anyone wants to criticise the quran then one has to first know how to go about trying to understand the quranic text. This is a major point I explain in my study of the quranic text. For example, God and human beings are not the same in their knowledge of things. God is supposed to be all knowing but human beings are born ignorant. So we have a problem in understanding knowledge from God to begin with. This limits God objectively or purpose wise ie why he created a human being as a baby to learn things in time rather than as a fully learned person?

Mullahs will answer this question by telling us God created us human beings for testing us. This is mullahs nonsense. God did not create us to test us but to appreciate God independently with little help from God himself. This question makes a huge difference as to why God created us human beings. Unless
we figure out proper answer to this question (ie why God created us?) all our explanations fall flat on their face ie make no sense.

Basically argument for existence of God has to be rationally consistent. Almost all philosophers explain existence of the universe and things in it on basis of necessity for existence of God, why? Because nothing can come into existence out of utter nothingness. For a start we must assume that someone intelligent was already there who existed always who has created all the rest that came into existence.

If God is a necessity for existence then next question is purpose question ie why God decided to created this universe and all things in it including human beings? This question is answered in detail by me. I also tackle suffering question head on and many more.

The problem with this forum is it does not allow very long posts and people like me have no time to post pieces of text in so many posts. This is why I hardly participate on this forum. The other problem with this forum is it does not allow links to other forums where I have posted my long posts which explain things in detail.

As for atheism it is not the right position for anyone sensible to hold because it is impossible to negate existence of God through any kind of rational argument. But the question is, then why so many people claim to be atheists? It is due to religion and religious leaders who lack proper knowledge of God sent message due to which they interpret the text in such a way that it makes no sense due to being full of their contradictory or conflicting explanations.

This is why mullahs, philosophers and scientists argue their cases against each other without knowing the actual text of the God sent message or real world realities in a consistent way. This creates a confusion for rest of people who are not even that much educated so they think these people are highly educated in their fields so they must be talking sense. This is why each group has its following like themselves so it is very slow learning process unless one wants to learn how to try to know things in a better way. This is where my work on the quran comes in because I am trying to explain the whole thing in very different way.

For a start I do not accept the idea of miracles all these are false interpretations of the scripture. In my view there are only and only two acts which we can attribute to God ie creation and revelation. These things have no other possible explanations by anyone and they never will. If you want to get hold of my writings about the quran or deen of islam search on internet by typing in posts by Mughal1.

Hindus and christians believe in God incarnation and almost all religions try to prove themselves legitimate on basis of idea of miracles. All this does not need long arguments by me to show very clearly these idea cannot be true. It is because proof has to be rational and miraculous or magic works can never replace rationally consistent explanation. This is why in my view if anyone can show the quranic text is purposefully rationally consistent within itself and with respect to real world realities then such a person has interpreted the quranic text properly and one has also proven oneself learned. This is the criterion which can prove the quran a truly God sent message for humanity in this age.

regards and all the best.

 

[IAJ]

[MENTION=132843]Mughal[/MENTION]

You wrote a quite lengthy post and I want to point out some of your statements:

1. You say you try to understand Quran your way and you explain that to others in your way. Do you have all the background knowledge of every verse? And you can explain that on basis of the related Ahadeeth and more on. Not everyone can just get up and become masters of Quran. You need proper guidance from a qualified scholar just like any other profession.
The problem is people think Quran is a simple book and they can start interpreting it in their own ways. That is why some people lose their groundings.

2. You have put all Mullahs in one basket and giving impression of that only you are correct. Of course you will find people who call themselves scholars but they are in fact misleading people. But there are many good and reliable scholars out there, you just need to approach them.

3. You go on and say you don’t believe in miracles and are hence contradicting yourself. Isn’t Quran a miracle itself?

 

[Mughal]

[MENTION=132843]Mughal[/MENTION]

You wrote a quite lengthy post and I want to point out some of your statements:

1. You say you try to understand Quran your way and you explain that to others in your way. Do you have all the background knowledge of every verse? And you can explain that on basis of the related Ahadeeth and more on. Not everyone can just get up and become masters of Quran. You need proper guidance from a qualified scholar just like any other profession.
The problem is people think Quran is a simple book and they can start interpreting it in their own ways. That is why some people lose their groundings.

2. You have put all Mullahs in one basket and giving impression of that only you are correct. Of course you will find people who call themselves scholars but they are in fact misleading people. But there are many good and reliable scholars out there, you just need to approach them.

3. You go on and say you don’t believe in miracles and are hence contradicting yourself. Isn’t Quran a miracle itself?

Dear IAJ, please see my posts on the following links on this forum or search internet for more detailed posts elsewhere. See Here and Here.

Thanks for drawing my attention to issue of miracles. I accept two things are acts of God ie creation and revelation. No other such acts are necessary by God nor are they needed by human beings to believe in existence of God. This is why I do not accept what most people consider miracles. If you need my detailed explanation please look for my work on the quran where I explain things in a more detailed way.

regards and all the best.

 

[ManFan]

I would suggest for beginners, " The Bible, The Quran, and Science " by Maurice Bucaille.

 

[miandadrules]

I would suggest for beginners, " The Bible, The Quran, and Science " by Maurice Bucaille.

The Dr who was on the Saudi payroll and whose work has been roundly ridiculed?

 

[ManFan]

The Dr who was on the Saudi payroll and whose work has been roundly ridiculed?

Payroll or family doctor? You can look at it both ways. He was the top medical surgeon in France when he converted. Some of his ideas have been disproven but not all. I stated clearly that his book was a starting point if you want to compare the Quran and sciences.

 

[miandadrules]

Payroll or family doctor? You can look at it both ways. He was the top medical surgeon in France when he converted. Some of his ideas have been disproven but not all. I stated clearly that his book was a starting point if you want to compare the Quran and sciences.

Spin it whichever way you want but he was on the payroll.

You want people to start on work that has been ridiculed and is considered nonsense universally?

 

[keysersoze]

 

[keysersoze]

Spot on Google galen and aristotle people...

Link to a similar discussion
https://youtu.be/z5rNtEdptaY
https://youtu.be/5HDhykqupxo

 

[keysersoze]

The Qur'an describes it as people knew then. Strangely similar to what the Greek thought in fact so it's nothing special. Especially if you compare it to what modern science says because then it just becomes incorrect. Zakir Naik will still try to claim a miracle and delude millions into thinking it is.

Spot on Google galen and aristotle people... Plus it was not correct as shown in the below videos.

Link to a similar discussion

 

[Robert]

The atheists can't answer a simple question. How did matter and energy combine to create consciousness.

Lemon squeezy.

In the beginning was a Big Bang which produced all matter, energy, the four forces and spacetime. Stellar evolution formed stars with planets round them. Some planets are capable of supporting life. Simple compounds combined into more complex organic ones on this particular planet, eventually combining into RNA and DNA. From there it was simply a matter of time before self-aware life evolved.

Consciousness is an emergent property from the myriad interconnections between neurones in the human brain.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lemon squeezy.

In the beginning was a Big Bang which produced all matter, energy, the four forces and spacetime. Stellar evolution formed stars with planets round them. Some planets are capable of supporting life. Simple compounds combined into more complex organic ones on this particular planet, eventually combining into RNA and DNA. From there it was simply a matter of time before self-aware life evolved.

Consciousness is an emergent property from the myriad interconnections between neurones in the human brain.

And how did Big Bang happen? Matter and energy and space time all came from nothing? Do you find that logical?

The best proof of the Creator is the creation. No amount of random combinations of atoms can produce such beauty. But you have a right to your pagan beliefs that some big bang created this vast universe.

 

[miandadrules]

And how did Big Bang happen? Matter and energy and space time all came from nothing? Do you find that logical?

The best proof of the Creator is the creation. No amount of random combinations of atoms can produce such beauty. But you have a right to your pagan beliefs that some big bang created this vast universe.

Using your "logic" who created your creator?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Using your "logic" who created your creator?

I don't know, but I believe your and my creator is outside time and space, and since there is no time, it makes no sense that there must be someone preceding Him. But that is just my opinion and only He knows best.

Unlike the know all Big Bangers who are certain about their knowledge, who ask who created the Creator, but don't ask what created the energy and mass out of nothing.

 

[miandadrules]

I don't know, but I believe your and my creator is outside time and space, and since there is no time, it makes no sense that there must be someone preceding Him. But that is just my opinion and only He knows best.

Unlike the know all Big Bangers who are certain about their knowledge, who ask who created the Creator, but don't ask what created the energy and mass out of nothing.

How convenient.

Suddenly your logic doesn't want to stretch any further.

It would be nice if you had a basic knowledge of the concepts you are commenting on.

And the irony of you calling "big bangers" claiming certainty whilst claiming there must be a creator.

Are you even aware of the hypocrisy and absurdity of your stance?

 

[CricketCartoons]

How convenient.

Suddenly your logic doesn't want to stretch any further.

It would be nice if you had a basic knowledge of the concepts you are commenting on.

And the irony of you calling "big bangers" claiming certainty whilst claiming there must be a creator.

Are you even aware of the hypocrisy and absurdity of your stance?

How convenient that you target my hypocrisy or the irony of my stand, but don't apply the same level of scrutiny to the Big Bangers, who are certain that everything came out of nothing.

 

[keysersoze]

And how did Big Bang happen? Matter and energy and space time all came from nothing? Do you find that logical?

The best proof of the Creator is the creation. No amount of random combinations of atoms can produce such beauty. But you have a right to your pagan beliefs that some big bang created this vast universe.

Islam has load of pagan rituals some are too blind to see this though...

 

[CricketCartoons]

Islam has load of pagan rituals some are too blind to see this though...

I am a Hindu.

 

[miandadrules]

How convenient that you target my hypocrisy or the irony of my stand, but don't apply the same level of scrutiny to the Big Bangers, who are certain that everything came out of nothing.

They claim to have all the answers?

Or does religion, especially Islam make that claim?

 

[CricketCartoons]

They claim to have all the answers?

Or does religion, especially Islam make that claim?

I know only a little about Islam, so can't speak. Although being a Hindu, I agree with Muslim brothers that there is a Supreme Creator. My Lord Krishna. The Alpha and the Omega.

 

[ManFan]

How convenient.

Suddenly your logic doesn't want to stretch any further.

It would be nice if you had a basic knowledge of the concepts you are commenting on.

And the irony of you calling "big bangers" claiming certainty whilst claiming there must be a creator.

Are you even aware of the hypocrisy and absurdity of your stance?

Let's assume there was Creator of the Creator. Who created him? You can ask this question and never receive a definite answer. There must have been a start which the Big Bang does not deny. It reminds me of the ant and race story. The ant travelled everyday half the distance. How long did it take for him to finish the race? He did not finish because he always travelled halfway. Furthermore, to deny a medical surgeon of an advanced country with over ten years of research as complete falsehood is a bit amusing. I never claimed he was 100% correct but he was the family doctor after he converted not before. Obviously with the advances in technology and science in the past thirty years, there will be more definite answers to his questions and hypothesis. The Big Bang does not disprove God but instead just confirms that there was a start to this universe. Do you realize the possibility of that occurring randomly is 10 to the power of 10 * 123? If everything in this universe exists for a cause and it has been proven to been fine tuned for the existence of human life, than it must prove a design or atleast disprove the notion of a random accident.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They claim to have all the answers?

Or does religion, especially Islam make that claim?

If any ideology lays claim to have all the answers they generally teach others as to their superiority of way of life regardless of religion. If you are residing in the UK I'm sure you know this.

 

[ManFan]

Let's assume there was Creator of the Creator. Who created him? You can ask this question and never receive a definite answer. There must have been a start which the Big Bang does not deny. It reminds me of the ant and race story. The ant travelled everyday half the distance. How long did it take for him to finish the race? He did not finish because he always travelled halfway. Furthermore, to deny a medical surgeon of an advanced country with over ten years of research as complete falsehood is a bit amusing. I never claimed he was 100% correct but he was the family doctor after he converted not before. Obviously with the advances in technology and science in the past thirty years, there will be more definite answers to his questions and hypothesis. The Big Bang does not disprove God but instead just confirms that there was a start to this universe. Do you realize the possibility of that occurring randomly is 10 to the power of 10 * 123? If everything in this universe exists for a cause and it has been proven to been fine tuned for the existence of human life, than it must prove a design or atleast disprove the notion of a random accident.

My apologies, I meant to say he was the family doctor before he converted, not afterwards.

 

[Robert]

And how did Big Bang happen? Matter and energy and space time all came from nothing? Do you find that logical?

The best proof of the Creator is the creation. No amount of random combinations of atoms can produce such beauty. But you have a right to your pagan beliefs that some big bang created this vast universe.

That’s circular thinking on your part. The world must have a creator because it is complex? Ok, so extend your line of thinking backwards. How was your Creator created?

Yes, the Big Bang theory is logical given the evidence of galactic red shift and cosmic background thermal radiation. Everything that eventually came to be or ever will be was concentrated into a single point of spacetime which was the only thing that was because there was nowhere and nowhen else to be. It is unsatisfying emotionally. But your sense of beauty which demands emotional satisfaction is merely another emergent property, not evidence of anything.

 

[Napa]

And how did Big Bang happen? Matter and energy and space time all came from nothing? Do you find that logical?

The best proof of the Creator is the creation. No amount of random combinations of atoms can produce such beauty. But you have a right to your pagan beliefs that some big bang created this vast universe.

Your argument for the existence of God begs the question "If everything including the "Big Bang" cannot come from "nothing", then what did God come from? Some sort of super-God?"

A bunch of more sophisticated but to me still unconvincing arguments for the existence of God was provided by St. Aquinas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ways_(Aquinas)

 

[sweep_shot]

Despite all the haters and critics, Islam keeps on growing.

"They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it." (Quran 9:32).

Keep on barking, haters.