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Naveed Akram, the surviving suspect in Sunday's mass shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, charged with 15 counts of murder [Update@ Post 965]

Red-Indian said:
. Many of the people left there are older clinging to their traditional lifestyles.

I do see a lot more North Africans now though - Somalians, Ethiopians, Sudanese. I wonder how that's happening.
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I saw a lot of development in the city especially after covid.It was a good infrastructure development by earlier govts.Africans moving in to that place will make the matters worse as all of them were infamously synonymous with drug peddling (associated with film industry). So am not sure how it pans out. I feel few places are cursed.Here in Sydney, there is a place known as Redfern .Initially Britishers brought the convicts and punished them in that place. until recently, it was known for drugs and other malice even after billions spent by government.
 
Varun said:
They are reaping what they have sown.
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I'm not a fan of passport blacklisting, the rotten apples in the basket spoil it for the rest. The genuine applicants in Punjab are the ones who will suffer for no fault of their own.
 
Naveed Akram charged with 15 counts of murder over Bondi shooting

Naveed Akram, the surviving suspect in Sunday's mass shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, has been charged with 59 offences, including 15 counts of murder and one of committing a terrorist act, the New South Wales police say.

His father Sajid Akram, 50, was killed in an exchange of fire with police at the scene.

Fifteen people were killed and dozens of others were injured in the attack, which targeted Australia's Jewish community at an event celebrating the first night of Hanukkah.

It was the country's deadliest shooting since 1996.

Akram also faces 40 charges of causing grievous bodily harm with intent to murder, as well as one charge of causing a public display of a prohibited terrorist organisation symbol.

He was critically injured during the incident on Sunday, and had his first hearing from his hospital bedside, the local New South Wales court said.

The case has been adjourned until April 2026, the court added.

Earlier on Wednesday, New South Wales Police Commissioner Mal Lanyon said they were waiting for medication to wear off before formally questioning Akram.

"For his fairness, we need him to understand what is exactly happening," Lanyon said.

Twenty people injured in the attack remain in hospitals across Sydney, with one person still in a critical condition.

Police have designated the attack a terrorist incident, with Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese saying it appears to have been "motivated by Islamic State" group ideology.

On Tuesday, it emerged that the father and son had travelled to the Philippines in November.

The Philippine immigration bureau told the BBC that they were in the country from 1 November to 28 November. Their final destination was the southern city of Davao, an immigration spokesperson said.

Naveed Akram travelled to the Philippines using an Australian passport, while his father Sajid used an Indian passport, border authorities in Manila told the BBC.

Sajid Akram was originally from the southern Indian city of Hyderabad, but had "limited contact" with his family there, a police official from the Indian state of Telangana said.

Among those killed in the attack were two rabbis, a Holocaust survivor and a 10-year-old girl, named by her family as Matilda.

Boris and Sofia Gurman, a couple filmed wrestling with one of the gunmen during the early stages of the attack, were also among the victims.

Another 27 people were taken to hospital with injuries, including two police officers.

One of the officers, named as 22-year-old Jack Hibbert, has lost vision in one eye and faces a "long and challenging recovery", his family said in a statement.

As of Wednesday evening local time, 17 people are still being treated in hospitals across Sydney. One is in critical condition, with four others described as critical but stable.

Earlier in the day, thousands gathered to mourn British-born Rabbi Eli Schlanger, at the first funeral to be held for victims of the shooting.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was not present. Asked on ABC NewsRadio about his absence, he said: "I would attend anything that I'm invited to. These are funerals that are taking place to farewell people's loved ones."

The Jewish community has criticised Albanese for not taking enough action on antisemitism - he defended himself against those accusations, telling ABC NewsRadio he had taken a series of measures including appointing the country's first antisemitism envoy, toughening hate speech laws and increasing funding for social cohesion projects and Jewish institutions.

Speaking at Rabbi Schlanger's funeral, Rabbi Levi Wolff described his death as an "unspeakable loss" for the community.

"Eli was ripped away from us, doing what he loved best," he said.

"Spreading love and joy and caring for his people with endless self-sacrifice in his life and in his death, he towered above as one of the highest and holiest souls."

Rabbi Schlanger had helped organise Sunday's Hanukkah event.

Funerals for the other victims are expected to happen over the coming days, including for the youngest victim, Matilda, on Thursday.

BBC
 
Marshland said:
You don’t have to be a musician to spot a wrong note in an orchestra.

While most Muslims do condemn ISIS, the question is whether existing religious and institutional safeguards are actually preventing radicalization before it turns violent.

This isn’t collective blame, and invoking Christchurch is a false equivalence. One can reject collective guilt while still recognizing that certain doctrines and interpretations are repeatedly exploited to justify violence.

Reform starts with honest acknowledgement, not with dismissing concerns as bad faith.
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Christianity and even Judaism (and other religions) are more treated as moral guidance. Especially the former as a result of the New Testament. Thus people tend to make decisions themselves rather than through religious scripture. A lot will happily even ignore it if it goes what naturally comes to their conclusion in their head.

Islam is different. It’s used more as a legal guidance. Muslims will consult religious texts on how to live their life. You are following laws as a Muslim. On top of that just like Christianity, Islam tries to actively convert others unlike most other religions.

Thus you have an issue. Many other religious scriptures can be misinterpreted and stretched. Including Christianity. But because Islam it is considered as law, these extremists can twist words to brainwash people into doing things that go against natural conscious as long as they can convince you it is written in religious scripture. And that is hard to stop.

Islam has guidance or what to do in war, persecution etc. Yes it does consistently repeat Allah does not want violence or murder etc. But people will run with half the sentence and ignore the part which states this. Or falsely expand/add on to the original text. It is expected extremists will do this. But the issue I feel is more that because of Islam’s greater emphasis on being legal guidance, i.e. actually carrying things out that is written, thus extremism and terrorism is more likely.

It is something that bothers me growing up as a Muslim. We can go on about these terrorists are the minority, and most Muslims don’t support them. And yes I don’t think the religious texts do actively promote what these terrorists are doing. It’s being twisted. But it does bother me a bit that I realise because Islam is the way it is in terms of leaning closer to legal guidance, I feel it is more likely extremists will enact their way of thinking, resulting in terrorism.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Naveed Akram charged with 15 counts of murder over Bondi shooting

Naveed Akram, the surviving suspect in Sunday's mass shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, has been charged with 59 offences, including 15 counts of murder and one of committing a terrorist act, the New South Wales police say.

His father Sajid Akram, 50, was killed in an exchange of fire with police at the scene.

Fifteen people were killed and dozens of others were injured in the attack, which targeted Australia's Jewish community at an event celebrating the first night of Hanukkah.

It was the country's deadliest shooting since 1996.

Akram also faces 40 charges of causing grievous bodily harm with intent to murder, as well as one charge of causing a public display of a prohibited terrorist organisation symbol.

He was critically injured during the incident on Sunday, and had his first hearing from his hospital bedside, the local New South Wales court said.

The case has been adjourned until April 2026, the court added.

Earlier on Wednesday, New South Wales Police Commissioner Mal Lanyon said they were waiting for medication to wear off before formally questioning Akram.

"For his fairness, we need him to understand what is exactly happening," Lanyon said.

Twenty people injured in the attack remain in hospitals across Sydney, with one person still in a critical condition.

Police have designated the attack a terrorist incident, with Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese saying it appears to have been "motivated by Islamic State" group ideology.

On Tuesday, it emerged that the father and son had travelled to the Philippines in November.

The Philippine immigration bureau told the BBC that they were in the country from 1 November to 28 November. Their final destination was the southern city of Davao, an immigration spokesperson said.

Naveed Akram travelled to the Philippines using an Australian passport, while his father Sajid used an Indian passport, border authorities in Manila told the BBC.

Sajid Akram was originally from the southern Indian city of Hyderabad, but had "limited contact" with his family there, a police official from the Indian state of Telangana said.

Among those killed in the attack were two rabbis, a Holocaust survivor and a 10-year-old girl, named by her family as Matilda.

Boris and Sofia Gurman, a couple filmed wrestling with one of the gunmen during the early stages of the attack, were also among the victims.

Another 27 people were taken to hospital with injuries, including two police officers.

One of the officers, named as 22-year-old Jack Hibbert, has lost vision in one eye and faces a "long and challenging recovery", his family said in a statement.

As of Wednesday evening local time, 17 people are still being treated in hospitals across Sydney. One is in critical condition, with four others described as critical but stable.

Earlier in the day, thousands gathered to mourn British-born Rabbi Eli Schlanger, at the first funeral to be held for victims of the shooting.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was not present. Asked on ABC NewsRadio about his absence, he said: "I would attend anything that I'm invited to. These are funerals that are taking place to farewell people's loved ones."

The Jewish community has criticised Albanese for not taking enough action on antisemitism - he defended himself against those accusations, telling ABC NewsRadio he had taken a series of measures including appointing the country's first antisemitism envoy, toughening hate speech laws and increasing funding for social cohesion projects and Jewish institutions.

Speaking at Rabbi Schlanger's funeral, Rabbi Levi Wolff described his death as an "unspeakable loss" for the community.

"Eli was ripped away from us, doing what he loved best," he said.

"Spreading love and joy and caring for his people with endless self-sacrifice in his life and in his death, he towered above as one of the highest and holiest souls."

Rabbi Schlanger had helped organise Sunday's Hanukkah event.

Funerals for the other victims are expected to happen over the coming days, including for the youngest victim, Matilda, on Thursday.

BBC
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59 offences - even more than his age...

Manila denies Bondi beach terror suspects trained in Philippines
 
Major said:
The mental gymnastics are not only being done just by the indians but also by the Brit Pakistanis aswell.

When the attacker was just a muslim, there were lengths of post justifying the attack, calling it an inside job etc. Now he turns out to be an indian, the narrative shifted from justification to Indian bashing.

This forum ad million threads on islamophobia, and the answer of the existence of it is there on the first 8 pages of this thread where Brit poster justified the attack.

The indians are here just to troll, but for muslims to justify this attack, that is more concerning
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Well, it must be our negligence if we missed such posts. Please report or quote here. Thanks
 
IronShield said:
Are muslims not Indian?
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Indian Muslims are Indian but Pakistani, Bangladeshi Muslims were also Indian before 1947. Basically subcontinent converted Muslims for identification just like you say Arab (multiple nations), Turkish, Afghan, Persian (Iran, Iraq etc). So ideally any terror attack by Indian, Bangladeshi or Pakistani Muslim is going to be tagged under “Pakistani”. You have no choice but to deal with it. You can cope online by monkey balancing which ever way you like . Won’t make a difference. India will be always identified with Hindus. Subcontinent Muslims with Pakistan. Fair or not that’s the way it works 👍
 
Trump: all nations must come together to fight Islamic terrorism.

Oh Trump chachu ne asa kaha wo bhi land sold karne ke bad. Are ye kya hua. 🤣🤣🤣

:klopp :kp
 
Local.Dada said:
Indian Muslims are Indian but Pakistani, Bangladeshi Muslims were also Indian before 1947. Basically subcontinent converted Muslims for identification just like you say Arab (multiple nations), Turkish, Afghan, Persian (Iran, Iraq etc). So ideally any terror attack by Indian, Bangladeshi or Pakistani Muslim is going to be tagged under “Pakistani”. You have no choice but to deal with it. You can cope online by monkey balancing which ever way you like . Won’t make a difference. India will be always identified with Hindus. Subcontinent Muslims with Pakistan. Fair or not that’s the way it works 👍
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This has to be one of the most hilarious shape shifting responses I have ever seen here. But true to form though.

No one made any mistake for who identity of the attackers was, besides Indian Media and Indian bots who were busy trying to make them Pakistani.... So according to your logic then when hindu LTTE carried out mass terror attacks in Sri Lanka, were they labeled Indian? Ohh you didnt think there ever has been an International hindu terror outfit did you? Unlucky for you, some of us are little long in the tooth.

And no, no one makes with identity of the attackers, they call out their country of origin. Like when the recent Washington shooter, he was called out as an Afghan. Only media that churns out fake propaganda on this issue is..... Indian.
 
Devadwal said:
Trump: all nations must come together to fight Islamic terrorism.

Oh Trump chachu ne asa kaha wo bhi land sold karne ke bad. Are ye kya hua. 🤣🤣🤣

:klopp :kp
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CIA must end its support to some groups for this to happen too. They ( alongside Saudis) have funded Jihadi groups to try and push back on Iranians.
 
Local.Dada said:
Indian Muslims are Indian but Pakistani, Bangladeshi Muslims were also Indian before 1947. Basically subcontinent converted Muslims for identification just like you say Arab (multiple nations), Turkish, Afghan, Persian (Iran, Iraq etc). So ideally any terror attack by Indian, Bangladeshi or Pakistani Muslim is going to be tagged under “Pakistani”. You have no choice but to deal with it. You can cope online by monkey balancing which ever way you like . Won’t make a difference. India will be always identified with Hindus. Subcontinent Muslims with Pakistan. Fair or not that’s the way it works 👍
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The land was divided on religion basis. Hence Muslim is associated with Pakistan and Hindu with India.
But our Dariya Dil Gandhi-Nehru cronies said Pakistan is for Muslims while India is for everyone.

When you have clowns running the show, blunders are to be expected. :mv
 
Devadwal said:
Most of the terrorists organisation created by USA and Pakistan. :kp
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Pakistan may have in the past created groups. But these were local actors and had local political objectives, for example, in Kashmir, or to overthrow the USSR from Afghanistan.

The Global Jihadi movement it has had no involvement in. In fact is has been a victim of it such as in the Peshawar school attack the killers were Chechen, Iraqi, Saudi.
 
Marshland said:
You don’t have to be a musician to spot a wrong note in an orchestra.

While most Muslims do condemn ISIS, the question is whether existing religious and institutional safeguards are actually preventing radicalization before it turns violent.

This isn’t collective blame, and invoking Christchurch is a false equivalence. One can reject collective guilt while still recognizing that certain doctrines and interpretations are repeatedly exploited to justify violence.

Reform starts with honest acknowledgement, not with dismissing concerns as bad faith.
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You’re making two mutually exclusive claims. On one hand, you insist that Islam needs reform. On the other, when asked what exactly needs reform, you admit you don’t have sufficient knowledge to specify a single doctrine. Both cannot be true at the same time. A demand for reform without identifying the problem is not an argument, it’s an assertion based on assumption.

Muslims have already done the only meaningful and legitimate form of deradicalization available, publicly, consistently, and unequivocally rejecting ISIS. They have made it clear that ISIS does not represent Islam, that its ideology is a radical political cult masquerading as religion, and that the overwhelming majority of its victims, by a vast margin, have been Muslims themselves. No serious observer disputes this.


Invoking Christchurch is not a false equivalence. The attacker there also believed he was carrying out a moral or ideological duty, just as ISIS militants do. The common denominator is not Islam, it is radicalization, where violence is justified through distorted belief systems. If the standard is that an entire religion must “reform” because extremists invoke it, then the same logic would have to be applied universally, which no one reasonably accepts.


So the burden of proof remains where it belongs, if you claim Islam needs reform, specify which doctrine, where it mandates violence, and how mainstream Muslims adhere to it. Until that is done, the claim is not evidence based, it is simply prejudice framed as critique.
 
Varun said:
Agreed. Anybody who has posted only once that they condemn it (not necessarily upfront) and spent the remaining 95% of the time writing paragraphs about European colonization of the 1600s, what Netanyahu had for breakfast, the make and model of the guns sold in America this month, and so on, are clearly suspect individuals of their respective societies - mostly Muslims in Britain.
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I hope you are not expecting Muslims to walk around with a poster sign 24/7 stating, "I condemned ISIS"?
 
Champ_Pal said:
US has stopped its training and arms supply long ago.
Pakistan still harbors them as they are useful against India.
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No, that’s not correct. The majority of these terrorists operate out of KPK and the Afghan border regions, many of them originally from Afghanistan the same Afghanistan that India has funded.

India funds Afghanistan, elements within Afghanistan support militants in the KPK–Afghan belt, and those militants then carry out attacks in both Pakistan and India.

In that sense, India plays a central role in sustaining this cycle.

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Devadwal said:
Trump: all nations must come together to fight Islamic terrorism.

Oh Trump chachu ne asa kaha wo bhi land sold karne ke bad. Are ye kya hua. 🤣🤣🤣

:klopp :kp
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Is actually what we need in that area. If all the Arab countries, Israel, Central Asia e.g. Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan all worked together to fight terrorism I think we could actually deal it a decisive blow. Problem you have is countries like Afghanistan, Syria etc they can’t fight these terrorist organisations alone. And then they take root in their countries.

Problem is they’re all just fighting amongst themselves supporting different terrorist groups each other. And the problems between Israel and Palestine both take away focus from combating terrorism.

US are probably at fault for creating some of it too. Iraq war didn’t help. But even the huge amounts of money they have spent towards trying to combat it, in Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. It hasn’t amounted too much. It’s difficult to do anything even as USA if everyone in the region isn’t on board not working together.

What has happened in Syria with Isis and taliban in Afghanistan, is absolutely shocking. I can’t believe in the 21st century we are dealing with things like this. Surely we’ve moved on a civilisation. It seems insane.
 
RexRex said:
Candace Owens and Jimmy Dore are two conspiracy theory grifters who earn millions of dollars from their opinion shows, which stream to a gullible audience yearning for contrarian takes. Some other things they preach are - the US faked the moon landings in 1969 and French leader Macron's wife is actually a man.

I always did wonder who was out there paying attention to these shows. Today I found out it was you and likely thousands of other rishwats out there.
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But they got it right didn't they? Before the event so you can't even call it hindsight. All you can come back with is calling them names, and you are just some anonymous Indian patriot at the end of the day.
 
ads101 said:
Is actually what we need in that area. If all the Arab countries, Israel, Central Asia e.g. Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan all worked together to fight terrorism I think we could actually deal it a decisive blow. Problem you have is countries like Afghanistan, Syria etc they can’t fight these terrorist organisations alone. And then they take root in their countries.

Problem is they’re all just fighting amongst themselves supporting different terrorist groups each other. And the problems between Israel and Palestine both take away focus from combating terrorism.

US are probably at fault for creating some of it too. Iraq war didn’t help. But even the huge amounts of money they have spent towards trying to combat it, in Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. It hasn’t amounted too much. It’s difficult to do anything even as USA if everyone in the region isn’t on board not working together.

What has happened in Syria with Isis and taliban in Afghanistan, is absolutely shocking. I can’t believe in the 21st century we are dealing with things like this. Surely we’ve moved on a civilisation. It seems insane.
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You can’t realistically defeat extremist groups when major world powers are backing them, whether through funding, weapons, or political cover. At that point, it’s not about ideology anymore; it’s about power and geopolitics.

Radicalizing people is unfortunately easy, especially in today’s world. With the internet, social media, and nonstop propaganda, anyone with a grievance can be pulled in. And this isn’t limited to one religion or one political side, it’s happening across the board.

That’s just the reality we’re living in. As long as powerful countries enable these groups and online platforms amplify extreme views, radicalization isn’t going away. Blaming a single community or belief system misses the real issue and doesn’t actually solve anything.
 
Rajdeep said:
Can you point to the posts where posters here have condemned radical Islamic terrorism and recognized it as a problem? Ofcourse no one will cheer on this attack openly as that will make themselves look bad in an open forum. However, aside from those handful of token posts sympathising with the victims, the attempt on this thread has been to blame India, RSS, Jews, Israel, Aussies, West everyone except the main culprits. Everyone can read english and can see what been posted. So this drama of 'show me a post where posters have cheered the attack' will not fool anyone.
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How can radical Islam be a problem when Indian posters were celebrating their own government joining hands with the Taliban?
 
emranabbas said:
this is a big problem you PTI supporters will start labelling the army and the government and rest of the countries ISRAEL AGENTS.
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Mufti Shahib, you labelled me as 'yahoodi sazish' for supporting democracy in Pakistan.

So please sit down in your corner and continue with your tasbee, "mera jind meri jaan".

Thank You!
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
But they got it right didn't they? Before the event so you can't even call it hindsight. All you can come back with is calling them names, and you are just some anonymous Indian patriot at the end of the day.
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That's what these conspiracy theorists do, they make hundreds of predictions and when one of them comes true .. they are hailed as a wise prophet by their fans.

You might have heard of Alex Jones, he's made many nonsensical predictions and one of them luckily turned out to be true - that OBL will attack the twin towers. He's been wining and dining on that fluke call for years and is fabulously wealthy.
 
RexRex said:
That's what these conspiracy theorists do, they make hundreds of predictions and when one of them comes true .. they are hailed as a wise prophet by their fans.

You might have heard of Alex Jones, he's made many nonsensical predictions and one of them luckily turned out to be true - that OBL will attack the twin towers. He's been wining and dining on that fluke call for years and is fabulously wealthy.
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To be honest you don't need to be Candace Owen or Jimmy Dore to make predictions. You can usually spot what is coming depending on how much heat Netenyahu is getting.
 
emranabbas said:
oh shut up if you PTI terrorist don't have anything constructive to say don't quote me or tag me just to throw slur at me
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It isn’t a slur, sir, it’s a statement of fact. You’ve repeatedly labeled Pakistanis who support democracy as part of some so-called yahoodi sazish. That accusation alone says more about your position than anything I’ve said.

In Pakistan, Mera Jind, Meri Jaan has become synonymous with loyalty to authoritarian rule and opposition to democratic norms. When you openly support dictators, people are well within their right to call that out for what it is. That isn’t name calling, it’s political accountability.

And if expressing support for democracy unsettles or terrorizes you, then so be it. I’ll take that as a badge of honor, because standing for democratic principles is not something I’m willing to apologize for.
 
ads101 said:
Is actually what we need in that area. If all the Arab countries, Israel, Central Asia e.g. Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan all worked together to fight terrorism I think we could actually deal it a decisive blow. Problem you have is countries like Afghanistan, Syria etc they can’t fight these terrorist organisations alone. And then they take root in their countries.

Problem is they’re all just fighting amongst themselves supporting different terrorist groups each other. And the problems between Israel and Palestine both take away focus from combating terrorism.

US are probably at fault for creating some of it too. Iraq war didn’t help. But even the huge amounts of money they have spent towards trying to combat it, in Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. It hasn’t amounted too much. It’s difficult to do anything even as USA if everyone in the region isn’t on board not working together.

What has happened in Syria with Isis and taliban in Afghanistan, is absolutely shocking. I can’t believe in the 21st century we are dealing with things like this. Surely we’ve moved on a civilisation. It seems insane.
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The US arbitrarily funds and uses most terrorist organizations. Besides this fact, it seems they never give these organizations a serious thought. Other countries do not have enough money/resources to eliminate terrorist organizations.

:kp
 
Champ_Pal said:
US has stopped its training and arms supply long ago.
Pakistan still harbors them as they are useful against India.
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How do you guys sleep at night? Knowing that Pakistan is always scheming against India. Asim Munir is busy planning what to do next. The anxiety level must be off chart.

Did you go to your therapy session?
Each time an attack happens, most of India is either on suicide watch or revenge rage.

If you really are genuine with your own self you would admit that majority of Indian runs on Bollywood and IPL, with sprinkle of Pakistan next attack against India.

… go to sleep or Asim Munir will come. 😂
 
IronShield said:
This has to be one of the most hilarious shape shifting responses I have ever seen here. But true to form though.

No one made any mistake for who identity of the attackers was, besides Indian Media and Indian bots who were busy trying to make them Pakistani.... So according to your logic then when hindu LTTE carried out mass terror attacks in Sri Lanka, were they labeled Indian? Ohh you didnt think there ever has been an International hindu terror outfit did you? Unlucky for you, some of us are little long in the tooth.

And no, no one makes with identity of the attackers, they call out their country of origin. Like when the recent Washington shooter, he was called out as an Afghan. Only media that churns out fake propaganda on this issue is..... Indian.
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LTTE was a linguistic/ cultural conflict just like Pak-Bangla of 1971 genius. It wasn’t a religious conflict 🤦‍♂️ they were called “Tamils”. Similarly “Mukti Bahini” is as Bangla as it gets. Nothing to do with any religious iconography or ideology. The people fighting that locally were mostly Muslim Bengalis.

Similarly Baluch insurgency etc is a cultural / territorial conflict.

Isis and other mujahideen type radicalism is a religious conflict not ethnic/ linguistic based. People from subcontinent have joined these groups regardless of nationality. Different matter that they are made to clean toilets or looked at as inferior by those Persian/ Arab origin terrorists.

Know the difference first lmao. Kuch bhi.

Some Indian origin guy shooting up some innocent Jewish people with no stake in the conflict is as “Pakistani” as it gets.
 
Devadwal said:
Creating Pakistan was best thing done by Jinnah & Gandhi . They should have taken all the Muslim from India so we would have live peacefully. Doctors se leke engineer sab ke sab radicalise ho chuke hai.

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So you were calling Pakistan a global plague, and then you flipped to calling it the best thing ever within the space of 20 mins. This is why no one takes you or hindutva seriously.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So you were calling Pakistan a global plague, and then you flipped to calling it the best thing ever within the space of 20 mins. This is why no one takes you or hindutva seriously.
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Thats fine as long as Hindutvas are not involving in terrorism they will always be held in higher esteem than your bhai bandhus like this Akram guy.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So you were calling Pakistan a global plague, and then you flipped to calling it the best thing ever within the space of 20 mins. This is why no one takes you or hindutva seriously.
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Do I care about you opinion? Absolutely not

No one takes terrorist supporters view seriously.

:klopp :kp
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So you were calling Pakistan a global plague, and then you flipped to calling it the best thing ever within the space of 20 mins. This is why no one takes you or hindutva seriously.
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The little 🐤 thinks that RSS/BJP mandir chap so called doctors and engineers are not radicalized:D
 
Devadwal said:
The US arbitrarily funds and uses most terrorist organizations. Besides this fact, it seems they never give these organizations a serious thought. Other countries do not have enough money/resources to eliminate terrorist organizations.

:kp
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USA might still fund these organisations to an extent. But they aren’t the main issue. They are far away. Ultimately it’s the main responsibility lies with the countries where terrorism actually resides.

If all these countries worked together, shared information on terrorism, all denounced all forms of terrorism and actively worked together, I think terrorism would be very difficult. Sure it’d still exist but not anywhere on this scale. Even if US continued to support terrorism in the area. I think some countries realise this, you even see Egypt and Israel working together and sharing information even if they don’t like each other.

It’s a bit like the case with Imran khan and the Pakistani elections. There were rumours us orchestrated the outing of Imran Khan. It might be true, it might not be. But even if it were true, the main problem wouldn’t be the US. It would be the corruption in the Pakistani government being so large that would make it so easy for US to buy off people in order to achieve that.
 
ads101 said:
USA might still fund these organisations to an extent. But they aren’t the main issue. They are far away. Ultimately it’s the main responsibility lies with the countries where terrorism actually resides.

If all these countries worked together, shared information on terrorism, all denounced all forms of terrorism and actively worked together, I think terrorism would be very difficult. Sure it’d still exist but not anywhere on this scale. Even if US continued to support terrorism in the area. I think some countries realise this, you even see Egypt and Israel working together and sharing information even if they don’t like each other.

It’s a bit like the case with Imran khan and the Pakistani elections. There were rumours us orchestrated the outing of Imran Khan. It might be true, it might not be. But even if it were true, the main problem wouldn’t be the US. It would be the corruption in the Pakistani government being so large that would make it so easy for US to buy off people in order to achieve that.
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You're right but this is not going to happen in this current World . People's are become power hungry and they will do anything to remains in the power untill they feel the same terrorism inside their cities/ House.

:kp
 
ads101 said:
USA might still fund these organisations to an extent. But they aren’t the main issue. They are far away. Ultimately it’s the main responsibility lies with the countries where terrorism actually resides.

If all these countries worked together, shared information on terrorism, all denounced all forms of terrorism and actively worked together, I think terrorism would be very difficult. Sure it’d still exist but not anywhere on this scale. Even if US continued to support terrorism in the area. I think some countries realise this, you even see Egypt and Israel working together and sharing information even if they don’t like each other.

It’s a bit like the case with Imran khan and the Pakistani elections. There were rumours us orchestrated the outing of Imran Khan. It might be true, it might not be. But even if it were true, the main problem wouldn’t be the US. It would be the corruption in the Pakistani government being so large that would make it so easy for US to buy off people in order to achieve that.
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Exactly. US or West is a copout. The blame always should go to the person allowing to get slapped, not the one slapping.
 
CricVet said:
The little 🐤 thinks that RSS/BJP mandir chap so called doctors and engineers are not radicalized:D
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I don’t know what your definition of radicalism is but none of those types you just mentioned are going to bomb public places, shoot innocent civilians etc.in fact they are more likely to end up as a victim from the real radicals 🤣
 
Local.Dada said:
I don’t know what your definition of radicalism is but none of those types you just mentioned are going to bomb public places, shoot innocent civilians etc.in fact they are more likely to end up as a victim from the real radicals 🤣
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Yes...those are the only forms of hurting other humans LoL...AndhaBhakts :D

Besides, here is a summary of your innocent terrorist organization:1000065625.jpg
 
ads101 said:
USA might still fund these organisations to an extent. But they aren’t the main issue. They are far away. Ultimately it’s the main responsibility lies with the countries where terrorism actually resides.

If all these countries worked together, shared information on terrorism, all denounced all forms of terrorism and actively worked together, I think terrorism would be very difficult. Sure it’d still exist but not anywhere on this scale. Even if US continued to support terrorism in the area. I think some countries realise this, you even see Egypt and Israel working together and sharing information even if they don’t like each other.

It’s a bit like the case with Imran khan and the Pakistani elections. There were rumours us orchestrated the outing of Imran Khan. It might be true, it might not be. But even if it were true, the main problem wouldn’t be the US. It would be the corruption in the Pakistani government being so large that would make it so easy for US to buy off people in order to achieve that.
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You’ve very simplistic approach which ignores the geopolitics.
 
Devadwal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2001277003509407747

Islamic extremism is a threat to entire World. This is correct.

:kp
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Yes saar, these are all islamist saar...events since last year

www.hindustantimes.com

2 Indian spies expelled from Australia for trying to 'steal secrets' in 2020: Australian media

Australia expelled two Indian spies in 2020 for allegedly trying to "steal secrets" about sensitive defence projects and airport security, the local media said.
www.hindustantimes.com www.hindustantimes.com

www.theguardian.com

Australia expelled two Indian intelligence operatives in 2020 as part of ‘nest of spies’, reports claim

Asio director general Mike Burgess had referred to expulsion of foreign operatives in 2021 speech but did not name country behind threat
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Local.Dada said:
I don’t know what your definition of radicalism is but none of those types you just mentioned are going to bomb public places, shoot innocent civilians etc.in fact they are more likely to end up as a victim from the real radicals 🤣
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Really? member of Hindutva have never shot innocent civilian, lynch, or killed in the name or religion?
 
HalBass9 said:
Really? member of Hindutva have never shot innocent civilian, lynch, or killed in the name or religion?
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Just a few days ago, some RSS animals in Bihar tortured and killed an innocent Muslim man. They cut off his ears and stuff. Savages.

m.shah

Post in thread 'India - A nightmare for minorities? What migration reveals about religion in India'

Mohammad Athar Hussain, a cloth vendor who was robbed and assaulted by a mob that later cut his ears and fingertips off with a plier and branded him with a hot iron in Bihar’s Nawada district on December 5, succumbed to his injuries on the night of December 12, according to a news report by the Indian Express.

According to the police, eight people have been arrested and detained so far.

Assault in lieu of help

Fifty-year-old Hussain was returning to his home in Barui village in Nawada district on the night of December 5 when his bicycle – on which he sells his ware – needed urgent...
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ahsan17 said:
1. The father is still an Indian National
2. Andhbakhts have mercilessly trolled in the past about terrorists whose parents or grandparents were from Pakistan, but who themselves were born in western countries. So no get out of jail card for andhbakhts.
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Andhbhakts as you call them have zero tolerance for terrorism radical islam thoughts and the jehadi philosophy it fosters ..it doesn't matter if it's Indian Muslims or Pakistani Muslim or middle East...the philosophy is the issue .of killing innocents in the name of religion
 
Devadwal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2001277003509407747

Islamic extremism is a threat to entire World. This is correct.

:kp
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So Not the countries with heavily armed armies murdering 1000s and spend their days planning wars and not def not elites spending their days working with pedos. Look at this. Epstein and BJP. How wouldn't have thought about this link. India and its love for Rape(ists)
 
I don't write many posts on topics such as these. The reason is simple I cannot add anything further other then condemning the incident and literally feel for all the individuals involved. The reason I'm making this post is because I'm terribly disappointed in the sort of discussions and debates being held in this group. Our nationalistic tunnel vision comes before our humanity I guess, this is the current state of affairs.

On one end we have posters defaming Pakistan as factory for terrorism on other end we have individuals branding Hindutva mindset creating new sort of terrorism. How difficult if is for all parties to understand that passport color does not have any say in a person's mental health. Similarly how difficult it is for posters to understand that religion (be it any religion) has nothing to with terrorism.

For the sake of humanity if we want a solution to these problems then we need to tackle it at a deeper level rather than simply blaming a country, mindset or religion. Most people conveniently ignore the social attributes that lead to an individual making such choices. When a white man does something of similar nature we conveniently brush that as mental health issue which can be the same for such individuals and if we go a step further it can be broken down into isolation, bullying, financial and mental distress and many other factors that lead someone down this route.

Next we need to understand what's happening in the world. We have unspeakable crimes being committed against innocent and public at large with limited or no accountability. Israel's genocide of Palestinians or Myannmar's genocide of Rohingyas are a common example of such cases however there are many more cases in Sudan, Egypt, Syria, etc where we see massive public causalities. Now there are people who are already appalled with all that happening in real life and on top of that we have people who make money out of public by raging it even more on social media or other platforms. For example, Indian media is really bad at spreading disinformation amongst their viewers on a sensitive issue when they are already raging. All of these factors contribute to a person's mental health at a point in time to break and lead down this route. We need to understand the implications of disinformation along with the need of international accountability for public to believe in justice rather than them creating their own justice mechanism.

Lastly usually such incidents are prevalent in poor countries (this case is one of few exception) where individuals having a very difficult life are already at verge of suicides whereby they end up taking this route. The problem here is that such individuals or countries are not given similar coverage or media time because the value of life is cheaper there. If we start solving world's issues from poorer countries perhaps there will be a positive effect for first world countries on such issues as well.
 
Comical how this Hindudva Terorrist ended up being an Indian, instead of Pakistani. Absolutely hilarious seeing reactions of Sanghis, humiliation has become a daily routine for these clowns.

Yet another Kasab (aka Ram prakash) type terrorist is this Bondi beach terrorist is. Saffron cult has been absolutely humiliated again now that entire world is saying they are Indians
 
Bewal Express said:
How they forget the Gujarat Massacre
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They don’t see it as a massacre, nor do they recognize the genocide or occupation for what it is, because acknowledging those realities would require confronting the moral cost of their actions. Instead, they frame it as an inherited right, something they believe they are entitled to by history or identity.
 
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Bewal Express said:
So Not the countries with heavily armed armies murdering 1000s and spend their days planning wars and not def not elites spending their days working with pedos. Look at this. Epstein and BJP. How wouldn't have thought about this link. India and its love for Rape(ists)
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Western governments will keep proving why they are owned and heavily influenced by Zionists. All the massacre around the Muslim world for decades that these war mongering genocide enablers have done, it's shocking how conviniently still they disregard the other side. Leashed like animals to the genocidl Zionst regime.

And BJP/sanghi boys are just those wanabe slaves of their Saars white skin since it's in their bloodline to support their Masters, there ancestors and granny's were loyal to their European Colonizer Lords so Sanghi being islamophobic is just what you expect from a mentally leashed loyal slaves
 
HalBass9 said:
They don’t see it as a massacre, nor do they recognize the genocide or occupation for what it is, because acknowledging those realities would require confronting the moral cost of their actions. Instead, they frame it as an inherited right, something they believe they are entitled to by history or identity.
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These are the same guys that literally spend their days spreading hate about Muslims, desperately acting as honoury whites to worship Sir Tommy and Sir Elon.
 
Kriketer said:
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Western governments will keep proving why they are owned and heavily influenced by Zionists. All the massacre around the Muslim world for decades that these war mongering genocide enablers have done, it's shocking how conviniently still they disregard the other side. Leashed like animals to the genocidl Zionst regime.

And BJP/sanghi boys are just those wanabe slaves of their Saars white skin since it's in their bloodline to support their Masters, there ancestors and granny's were loyal to their European Colonizer Lords so Sanghi being islamophobic is just what you expect from a mentally leashed loyal slaves
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Great post. They worship the Chitti Chambri, if only they knew that the same chitti Chambri sees them as cheap and dirty. Just ask Kash Patel and Usha Vance.
 
Devadwal said:
It's not just mine but entire World ( except Islamist) views. :kp
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If Muslims really were the way you think, our beloved prominent Bharat's Muslim Moghul Leaders wouldn't have left a single Hindu and you all would have been forcefully converted, as Muslim ruled Hindus for many generations.

It really can't be the case considering how you were totally weak, malnourished and defenseless :kp
 
Bewal Express said:
Great post. They worship the Chitti Chambri, if only they knew that the same chitti Chambri sees them as cheap and dirty. Just ask Kash Patel and Usha Vance.
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Entire social media of chitti chambris says the absolute nastiest things about Indians, but yet the boot licking of the Saaars is never going to stop with Sanghis. I think since it's in their bloodline to serve their Masters, they take it as a boost that their Saaars are thinking about them.

There's a clip of Sanghis pooja paating Donaaaaal Traam, and that Sanghi bending over while praying with Jews and getting the kick is absolutely hilarious and sums up Sanghis quite well
 
Kriketer said:
If Muslims really were the way you think, our beloved prominent Bharat's Muslim Moghul Leaders wouldn't have left a single Hindu and you all would have been forcefully converted, as Muslim ruled Hindus for many generations.

It really can't be the case considering how you were totally weak, malnourished and defenseless :kp
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They love to rewrite history.
 
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