Nawaz Sharif: "The young of Pakistan want the life of their Indian counterparts"

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is preparing to go to the moon and in Pakistan people fight over moon sighting for Eid. The gulf between the two countries is embarrassingly big.

India has a population problem but it is also their strength. Indians are holding top positions is big corporates. Last time I checked, Google's CEO was an Indian and so was Microsoft's. The first world now depends on India to run their operations. India may still look like a dump but it is still 10 times better and more relevant than Pakistan.

But it still looks and feels exactly the same to live in. No thanks, think I'll make do with Britain for now, perhaps I'll revisit this thread in 2030 and reconsider.

 

[Napa]

I did a google search for images of life in India, and this is literally the first picture that comes up:



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I cleared my browser cache and did a Google Images search for India and the result was the following page. Rather different from yours. Some cricket pics, one about animal rights, a few about India's moon orbiter and lander Chandrayaan.



You should stop trying to learn about the world in your uniquely lazy way of using Google Image search.

 

[Syed1]

India is preparing to go to the moon and in Pakistan people fight over moon sighting for Eid. The gulf between the two countries is embarrassingly big.

India has a population problem but it is also their strength. Indians are holding top positions is big corporates. Last time I checked, Google's CEO was an Indian and so was Microsoft's. The first world now depends on India to run their operations. India may still look like a dump but it is still 10 times better and more relevant than Pakistan.

The same Satya Nadela who by his own admission was so desperate to not have to go back to India (to be with his wife) he had to give up his green card and go back to living on a work permit which made it easier for his wife to get to the US. Is it the same Satya Nadela who even risked his status in the US just so he doesn't have to live a day more in Shining India? )

 

[Technics 1210]

The same Satya Nadela who by his own admission was so desperate to not have to go back to India (to be with his wife) he had to give up his green card and go back to living on a work permit which made it easier for his wife to get to the US. Is it the same Satya Nadela who even risked his status in the US just so he doesn't have to live a day more in Shining India? )

Satya Nadela is recognised as an American by the Indian government. A second class citizen who does not even have equal rights in India as other Indians, that's why he is an OCI.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I cleared my browser cache and did a Google Images search for India and the result was the following page. Rather different from yours. Some cricket pics, one about animal rights, a few about India's moon orbiter and lander Chandrayaan.

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You should stop trying to learn about the world in your uniquely lazy way of using Google Image search.

My browser search was not a generic one for India, it was 'life in India', and the picture was accurate enough from what we regularly see on our tv's. I don't know why some Indians feel the need to present an image removed from reality, it is what it is. No one is saying it can't improve, but there's nothing to be gained by living in a fantasy world.

 

[Napa]

My browser search was not a generic one for India, it was 'life in India', and the picture was accurate enough <b>from what we regularly see on our tv's.</b> I don't know why some Indians feel the need to present an image removed from reality, it is what it is. No one is saying it can't improve, but there's nothing to be gained by living in a fantasy world.

Dude, you are unbelievably gullible. The Western media is well known for their extensive coverage of disasters and poverty of India and scant attention to progress. If you want to get an accurate picture of the world then stop watching TV and instead read a variety of sources. In the age of the internet, relying on TV to learn about the world is laughable and almost criminal.

 

[Mian]

My browser search was not a generic one for India, it was 'life in India', and the picture was accurate enough from what we regularly see on our tv's. I don't know why some Indians feel the need to present an image removed from reality, it is what it is. No one is saying it can't improve, but there's nothing to be gained by living in a fantasy world.

A search for "life in india" returns images like these on top. Life is no better in both countries for the poor youth and with this new muslims hate wave of RSS it's even worse in India

And before some indiasn dig and post high class societies pictures and infrastructures from India for a face saving well they also exist in Pakistan like Bahria Town and DHA etc for upper and upper middle class and motorways and metros etc etc.

 

[Mamoon]

India has a population of 1.3 billion and it is a humongous country by area. Of course most of it looks like a slum.

China is the hero of Pakistanis these days, but it is much richer than India and its population is homogenous. It is much easier for them to develop infrastructure and build modern cities along with focusing on industrial and technological growth.

India have prioritized economic growth over cleaning their cities and shiny buildings, because at this point they cannot achieve both.

In addition, India spends more money on space exploration than all countries except USA, China and Russia.

Those Pakistanis who try to comfort themselves by comparing the living conditions in Pakistan to India conveniently forget that there is a world of difference between the security situations of the two countries.

There is no comparison between the level of terrorist activity in Pakistan and the number of people who died due to bomb blasts. Although things have improved a lot in recent years because of Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that, Pakistan is still a far more dangerous country than India.

The vastly different levels of tourism in both countries and the generally superior perception of India globally is a result of the fact that it regardless of all the communal violence, it is still a much, much safer country than Pakistan.

 

[King-Misbah]

India has a population of 1.3 billion and it is a humongous country by area. Of course most of it looks like a slum.

China is the hero of Pakistanis these days, but it is much richer than India and its population is homogenous. It is much easier for them to develop infrastructure and build modern cities along with focusing on industrial and technological growth.

India have prioritized economic growth over cleaning their cities and shiny buildings, because at this point they cannot achieve both.

In addition, India spends more money on space exploration than all countries except USA, China and Russia.

Those Pakistanis who try to comfort themselves by comparing the living conditions in Pakistan to India conveniently forget that there is a world of difference between the security situations of the two countries.

There is no comparison between the level of terrorist activity in Pakistan and the number of people who died due to bomb blasts. Although things have improved a lot in recent years because of Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that, Pakistan is still a far more dangerous country than India.

The vastly different levels of tourism in both countries and the generally superior perception of India globally is a result of the fact that it regardless of all the communal violence, it is still a much, much safer country than Pakistan.

Why dont you move to India? In all seriousness, if you do not like Pakistan then move permanently. Atleast this daily rona dhona will stop.

 

[Mamoon]

Why dont you move to India? In all seriousness, if you do not like Pakistan then move permanently. Atleast this daily rona dhona will stop.

What kind of logic is this? People who live in Pakistan should be oblivious to the true status of Pakistan or should they simply ignore the facts?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India has a population of 1.3 billion and it is a humongous country by area. Of course most of it looks like a slum.

China is the hero of Pakistanis these days, but it is much richer than India and its population is homogenous. It is much easier for them to develop infrastructure and build modern cities along with focusing on industrial and technological growth.

India have prioritized economic growth over cleaning their cities and shiny buildings, because at this point they cannot achieve both.

In addition, India spends more money on space exploration than all countries except USA, China and Russia.

Those Pakistanis who try to comfort themselves by comparing the living conditions in Pakistan to India conveniently forget that there is a world of difference between the security situations of the two countries.

There is no comparison between the level of terrorist activity in Pakistan and the number of people who died due to bomb blasts. Although things have improved a lot in recent years because of Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that, Pakistan is still a far more dangerous country than India.

The vastly different levels of tourism in both countries and the generally superior perception of India globally is a result of the fact that it regardless of all the communal violence, it is still a much, much safer country than Pakistan.

For people who actually live in India or Pakistan, their main concern will be their living standard, not how they are perceived by foreigners. As you yourself admit, vast swathes of India are a slum so I doubt the people who live there really care about stats which say their economy is rocketing out of the stratosphere.

Take a look at the pictures above and you might see why they feel maybe they missed the boom.

 

[WebGuru]

What kind of logic is this? People who live in Pakistan should be oblivious to the true status of Pakistan or should they simply ignore the facts?

This is quite common in India even muslim celebrities had to face "Go to Pakistan"

 

[WebGuru]

India has a population of 1.3 billion and it is a humongous country by area. Of course most of it looks like a slum.

China is the hero of Pakistanis these days, but it is much richer than India and its population is homogenous. It is much easier for them to develop infrastructure and build modern cities along with focusing on industrial and technological growth.

India have prioritized economic growth over cleaning their cities and shiny buildings, because at this point they cannot achieve both.

In addition, India spends more money on space exploration than all countries except USA, China and Russia.

Those Pakistanis who try to comfort themselves by comparing the living conditions in Pakistan to India conveniently forget that there is a world of difference between the security situations of the two countries.

There is no comparison between the level of terrorist activity in Pakistan and the number of people who died due to bomb blasts. Although things have improved a lot in recent years because of Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that, Pakistan is still a far more dangerous country than India.

The vastly different levels of tourism in both countries and the generally superior perception of India globally is a result of the fact that it regardless of all the communal violence, it is still a much, much safer country than Pakistan.

And how exactly this perception helped to change the lives of local Indians if majority of them are stilling living in slum because of huge populations as you mentioned?

 

[Mamoon]

For people who actually live in India or Pakistan, their main concern will be their living standard, not how they are perceived by foreigners. As you yourself admit, vast swathes of India are a slum so I doubt the people who live there really care about stats which say their economy is rocketing out of the stratosphere.

Take a look at the pictures above and you might see why they feel maybe they missed the boom.

And how exactly this perception helped to change the lives of local Indians if majority of them are stilling living in slum because of huge populations as you mentioned?

It is not possible for a country like India to lift its people from extreme poverty like China. USA is the superpower today with the most powerful economy, but yet millions of people are living in poverty and half a million are homeless as well. Do these homeless people care about USA's superpower status? Obviously not.

Judging by how the poor people perceive their country is not exactly an efficient way of measuring economic development. India would of course love to lift its people from poverty and homelessness and so would USA, but if you wait for that to happen, you will never make any progress in any sector.

I am not comparing USA to India in terms of standard of living and economic development. My point is that even the most powerful country in the world has millions of poor and homeless people and that they are not unable to do anything about it, so what is the point of downplaying India's industrial growth by pointing out the state of the poor in the country?

At least India have achieved something by prioritising. In comparison, not only have achieved zilch economically, we have also done nothing for the poor in our country. We are in no position to point out the slums in their country when we not only have slums in ours, we are also surviving on charity from IMF and other countries.

 

[WebGuru]

It is not possible for a country like India to lift its people from extreme poverty like China. USA is the superpower today with the most powerful economy, but yet millions of people are living in poverty and half a million are homeless as well. Do these homeless people care about USA's superpower status? Obviously not.

Judging by how the poor people perceive their country is not exactly an efficient way of measuring economic development. India would of course love to lift its people from poverty and homelessness and so would USA, but if you wait for that to happen, you will never make any progress in any sector.

I am not comparing USA to India in terms of standard of living and economic development. My point is that even the most powerful country in the world has millions of poor and homeless people and that they are not unable to do anything about it, so what is the point of downplaying India's industrial growth by pointing out the state of the poor in the country?

At least India have achieved something by prioritising. In comparison, not only have achieved zilch economically, we have also done nothing for the poor in our country. We are in no position to point out the slums in their country when we not only have slums in ours, we are also surviving on charity from IMF and other countries.

The topic is about the living standards so perception and other achievements doesn't matter at all for the locals

 

[Napa]

I did a google search for images of life in India, and this is literally the first picture that comes up:

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You looked at this picture and decided life in India must be bad. You didn't even see the article for the picture, just looking at the picture is all you did.

The article for the picture is "51 Reasons Why Life in India is AWESOME by Drifter Planet" and it goes on to list:

01) India is a food lover’s paradise
02) Unity in Diversity
03) India offers interesting sights everywhere
04) It is the land of mother of all the teas – Masala Chai
05) Holi, Diwali, Onma, Eid, Lohri, Pongal, Christmas and more.. more than 40 festivals in a year
06) You will seldom face a language barrier here
07) Kaam Wali, Maali, Phool Wala, Driver
08) Traveling in Indian Railways is awesome
09) India is a paradise for shopaholics
10) Mangoes! They are a gift of GOD – taste one in India and you won’t like them anywhere else.

and so on.

https://drifterplanet.com/life-in-india-is-awesome/

Can't believe you wanted to learn about India, saw a picture and made up your mind instead of reading the article! You are unbelievably superficial.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You looked at this picture and decided life in India must be bad. You didn't even see the article for the picture, just looking at the picture is all you did.

The article for the picture is "51 Reasons Why Life in India is AWESOME by Drifter Planet" and it goes on to list:

01) India is a food lover’s paradise
02) Unity in Diversity
03) India offers interesting sights everywhere
04) It is the land of mother of all the teas – Masala Chai
05) Holi, Diwali, Onma, Eid, Lohri, Pongal, Christmas and more.. more than 40 festivals in a year
06) You will seldom face a language barrier here
07) Kaam Wali, Maali, Phool Wala, Driver
08) Traveling in Indian Railways is awesome
09) India is a paradise for shopaholics
10) Mangoes! They are a gift of GOD – taste one in India and you won’t like them anywhere else.

and so on.

https://drifterplanet.com/life-in-india-is-awesome/

Can't believe you wanted to learn about India, saw a picture and made up your mind instead of reading the article! You are unbelievably superficial.

I saw the article, and fair play if the writer thinks those less material aspects of life trump living in first world conditions. I wouldn't presume to pass judgement negatively on a more spiritual take on life, but I live in the west so my standards reflect it.

But if you are looking beyond wealth, I suppose you could make a similar list for Pakistan, this just means that you are applying different standards which may have less to do with economy, and more to do with esoteric viewpoint.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is not possible for a country like India to lift its people from extreme poverty like China. USA is the superpower today with the most powerful economy, but yet millions of people are living in poverty and half a million are homeless as well. Do these homeless people care about USA's superpower status? Obviously not.

Judging by how the poor people perceive their country is not exactly an efficient way of measuring economic development. India would of course love to lift its people from poverty and homelessness and so would USA, but if you wait for that to happen, you will never make any progress in any sector.

I am not comparing USA to India in terms of standard of living and economic development. My point is that even the most powerful country in the world has millions of poor and homeless people and that they are not unable to do anything about it, so what is the point of downplaying India's industrial growth by pointing out the state of the poor in the country?

At least India have achieved something by prioritising. In comparison, not only have achieved zilch economically, we have also done nothing for the poor in our country. We are in no position to point out the slums in their country when we not only have slums in ours, we are also surviving on charity from IMF and other countries.

As I said in the above post, I am judging by western standards, and by that token India still looks pretty much the same as Pakistan. Unhygienic, chaotic, poor infrastructure and smelly. You need to stop comparing India favourably with the US, there is no comparison. Come down off your high horse and admit it looks very much like Pakistan. I shouldn't need to post more pictures just to make an obvious point.

 

[msaaim89]

As I said in the above post, I am judging by western standards, and by that token India still looks pretty much the same as Pakistan. Unhygienic, chaotic, poor infrastructure and smelly. You need to stop comparing India favourably with the US, there is no comparison. Come down off your high horse and admit it looks very much like Pakistan. I shouldn't need to post more pictures just to make an obvious point.

It's pointless explaining to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. He's convinced India is the greatest nation to ever exist.

 

[slipcatch]

It's pointless explaining to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. He's convinced India is the greatest nation to ever exist.

He isn’t.

He isn’t hindutva or a Bhakth who get triggered by when truth is told.

He just want to appear different than every other Pakistani.

 

[Mamoon]

It's pointless explaining to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. He's convinced India is the greatest nation to ever exist.

It is pointless for me to explain that although is not a model state and have several problems, they are still far ahead of Pakistan.

It is pointless for me to explain that although corruption is not a good thing, it does not impede economic progression the way incompetence does.

That is why India, in spite of being a heavily corrupt country, is doing much better than Pakistan. That is so because they have focused on building competencies and industrial growth.

We focus on the wrong issues. Talking about corruption sells in Pakistan, but we don’t narrow down on how to build competencies.

That is why everyone gets excited when there is news of XYZ stealing X amount of money, but no one is bothered to see a duffer like Fawad Chaudhry getting appointed as Science and Technology Minister - a man which thinks Pakistan sent the Hubble telescope to space.

He is just one example of what happens when you don’t prioritize your problems. That is why PTI’s government has been a circus so far. They did not do their homework on what they are going to do to tackle Pakistan’s issues. That is because all their attention was directed towards corruption.

We need to realize that Pakistan is in the state that it is today not because of corruption but because we have failed to build competencies.

The biggest reason for this failure has been the military, who have not allowed civil institutions to strengthen, and take the biggest share of the pie for themselves on the false pretext of “national security”, when all the billions of dollars are invested in establishing a business empire with no checks and accountability.

Unless and until Pakistan can get its army out of the economy and becomes a true democracy like India, it will continue to lag behind. India have done a lot of good things that we have failed to do even though we have the resources and the means to do them.

As a result, we need to learn from them and not satisfy ourselves by searching for Indian slums in Google Images. Rhetoric like “India is the greatest nation to exist” helps no one.

We need to understand why India has left us behind in spite of high corruption and poverty and what are the mistakes that we have made and continue to make.

Denial is our national sport ahead of hockey, and as long as we live in denial, we cannot hope to improve.

In a nutshell, we need to:

- emphasize more on building competencies instead of focusing on who is corrupt and who isn’t.

- the military has to be subservient to the civilian government in all matters. We thank Jinnah today but we should also remember his golden words: the civilians make the rules and the military’s job is to follow those rules.

They are servants of the state not its equal, let alone its superior which is the case in Pakistan.

Which means they will not dictate our foreign policy to make money and and they will be held accountability for the billions of dollars of business empire that they have constructed on public money.

Also, no more jobs for nalaik retired officers in departments like PTV, PTCL, PCB, WAPDA etc. They have no business working in these departments.

If we can achieve the above, Pakistan will go a long, long way in addressing the mistakes it has made in the past and working towards a brighter, more prolific future.

If we continue to bury our heads in the ground, the next 72 years will be no different no matter how many “honest” leaders like Imran Khan emerge.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is quite common in India even muslim celebrities had to face "Go to Pakistan"

That's true. The word intolerant comes to my mind. If you have an opinion which is not shared by the majority then good luck living here. You will either be asked to go to pakistan or killed by a mob.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is pointless for me to explain that although is not a model state and have several problems, they are still far ahead of Pakistan.

It is pointless for me to explain that although corruption is not a good thing, it does not impede economic progression the way incompetence does.

That is why India, in spite of being a heavily corrupt country, is doing much better than Pakistan. That is so because they have focused on building competencies and industrial growth.

We focus on the wrong issues. Talking about corruption sells in Pakistan, but we don’t narrow down on how to build competencies.

That is why everyone gets excited when there is news of XYZ stealing X amount of money, but no one is bothered to see a duffer like Fawad Chaudhry getting appointed as Science and Technology Minister - a man which thinks Pakistan sent the Hubble telescope to space.

He is just one example of what happens when you don’t prioritize your problems. That is why PTI’s government has been a circus so far. They did not do their homework on what they are going to do to tackle Pakistan’s issues. That is because all their attention was directed towards corruption.

We need to realize that Pakistan is in the state that it is today not because of corruption but because we have failed to build competencies.

The biggest reason for this failure has been the military, who have not allowed civil institutions to strengthen, and take the biggest share of the pie for themselves on the false pretext of “national security”, when all the billions of dollars are invested in establishing a business empire with no checks and accountability.

Unless and until Pakistan can get its army out of the economy and becomes a true democracy like India, it will continue to lag behind. India have done a lot of good things that we have failed to do even though we have the resources and the means to do them.

As a result, we need to learn from them and not satisfy ourselves by searching for Indian slums in Google Images. Rhetoric like “India is the greatest nation to exist” helps no one.

We need to understand why India has left us behind in spite of high corruption and poverty and what are the mistakes that we have made and continue to make.

Denial is our national sport ahead of hockey, and as long as we live in denial, we cannot hope to improve.

In a nutshell, we need to:

- emphasize more on building competencies instead of focusing on who is corrupt and who isn’t.

- the military has to be subservient to the civilian government in all matters. We thank Jinnah today but we should also remember his golden words: the civilians make the rules and the military’s job is to follow those rules.

They are servants of the state not its equal, let alone its superior which is the case in Pakistan.

Which means they will not dictate our foreign policy to make money and and they will be held accountability for the billions of dollars of business empire that they have constructed on public money.

Also, no more jobs for nalaik retired officers in departments like PTV, PTCL, PCB, WAPDA etc. They have no business working in these departments.

If we can achieve the above, Pakistan will go a long, long way in addressing the mistakes it has made in the past and working towards a brighter, more prolific future.

If we continue to bury our heads in the ground, the next 72 years will be no different no matter how many “honest” leaders like Imran Khan emerge.

There are some valid points in there, far from being in denial, I think many people have made similar arguments in favour of civilian rule and civil institutions. There are probably several threads already running on these topics.

But the problem here is that the comparison is being made with India rather than successful first world countries. When you use India as a yardstick then it deflates people as they look across the border and don't see that life is that much better on the street, however it might look on balance sheets and internet forums.

Perhaps in 10 years time we'll be able to cast our eyes and see what a difference it can make for the people, but as of now India looks more like a giant garbage dump than a shining metropolis. Again, I don't want to have to post more pictures to state the obvious.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He isn’t.

He isn’t hindutva or a Bhakth who get triggered by when truth is told.

He just want to appear different than every other Pakistani.

I have a theory that he doesn't really rate India that much either, merely uses them as an example to troll Pakistanis. Mamoon is an intelligent guy, there is no way he would hold that country up as a yardstick in all seriousness.

If you hate your own lot living in Pakistan, then constantly praising the avowed enemy is a good form of catharsis.