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New Fab Four of the next generation: Will Saim Ayub make the cut?

Does Saim Ayub deserve a spot in the New Fab Four of the next generation?


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Nasser Hussain speaking on Sky Sports Cricket Podcast:

"Saim Ayub's just had this injury and it is not sure whether he will be fit for the Champions Trophy, but he could be a dynamic player at the top of the order for Pakistan across all formats."

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The cricketing world is buzzing with the emergence of a new generation of star players, and the debate is heating up about who deserves to be in the "Fab Four" of this next era. Among the contenders, Pakistan's Saim Ayub has made a strong case for himself with impressive performances last year.

In 35 international matches, Ayub scored 1,254 runs at an average of 33.00, a strike rate of over 89, with three centuries and five fifties. His ODI stats are particularly striking, with 515 runs in nine matches at an average of 64.37 and a strike rate of above 105, including three centuries. He even outperformed star batter Babar Azam in terms of runs for Pakistan.

Comparing him with other young talents, India's Jaiswal, Sri Lanka's Kamindu, and New Zealand's Ravindra, all of whom have shown exceptional skill and consistency, raises the question:

Does Saim Ayub belong to the elite group of the next generation's Fab Four?
 
Would love to see how he does in Tests in the next 5 years. So far has shown promise in ODI cricket. He hasn't done well in Tests but he has played just 14 Test innings so far.​
 
Fab Four were genuinely World Class cricketers, four supremely talented players who emerged in the same era, virtually the same time.

Lets not force the narrative. We've not learnt from Babar ?
 
And it needn't be the number "4". That varies every decade:

(3) 90s: Tendulkar, Waugh, Lara
(5) 00s: Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Sangakkara, Pietersen
(4) 10s: Kohli, Williamson, Root, Smith
 
Fab 5 - Urooj . I don't think we will ever see a Fab 4 ever. At U-19 level nobody imagined these 4 would be part of Fab 4 club. Babar outscored Joe Root in 2010 world cup.


In 2008 world cup. Smith, Kane were very average even though Kane was the captain. Kohli had a decent world cup.Won the final as captain.

 
Fab 4 is strictly a Test match term when Martin Crowe coined it .

Saim Ayub averages 22 in this format. Please stop with the delusions.
 
Fab Four were genuinely World Class cricketers, four supremely talented players who emerged in the same era, virtually the same time.

Lets not force the narrative. We've not learnt from Babar ?
Not sure of Saim but Brook & Ravindera is definitely 2 of the four
 

Dazzling Harry Brook can lead a new ‘Fab Four’ in Test cricket – who else can join him?​


There may have been a degree of self-effacement about Joe Root’s remarks, the great England cricket batter never one to trumpet his own world-leading qualities, yet his rhapsodic reference of Harry Brook was said with conviction. “Brooky is by far and away the best player in the world at the minute," Root effused of his fellow Yorkshireman. “He can absorb pressure; he can apply it. He can whack you over your head for six. He can scoop you over his head for six. He can smack spin. He can smack seam.”

The declarations of close colleagues are often best taken with a healthy dollop of salt but the statistical case for Brook’s supremacy is growing ever stronger. The 25-year-old has supplanted his senior middle-order partner for county and country at the top of the Test batting rankings – strong Yorkshire, strong England, as the old adage goes.


The 91-ball ton in Wellington that hauled the tourists’ first innings from the furnace was Brook’s eighth in Test cricket and seventh away from home, as many as AB de Villiers achieved across 14 years in South African whites. With his next century, Brook will draw level with the tallies of Robin Smith, Ted Dexter and Jonathan Trott; barely two years into a still nascent international career, he is already in illustrious company.

Joe Root (right) has described Harry Brook as the best player in the world

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Joe Root (right) has described Harry Brook as the best player in the world (REUTERS)
And all this at a time when Test batting has rarely been harder. Sterner examinations are to come for Brook, of course. His record is bolstered by his absence from the torturous tour of India for personal reasons, with his overseas exploits coming entirely in Pakistan and New Zealand – nations whose natural topography is not necessarily reflected in their cricket surfaces. His propensity for chasing wide of off stump and desire to take on the short ball will come under scrutiny in Australia, who have both the thoroughbreds and firm going to prove troublesome.

But there is a soundness of technique and temperament that suggests that Brook may just lead the next generation of great Test batters, who are emerging at just the right time. It was a decade ago that the late Martin Crowe dubbed Root, India’s Virat Kohli, Australia’s Steve Smith and New Zealand’s Kane Williamson as the “Fab Four”, which proved a prescient prediction.

Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Virat Kohli and Steve Smith have defined an era of Test cricket

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Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Virat Kohli and Steve Smith have defined an era of Test cricket (Getty Images/Fotor)
While each has ridden fluctuations of form and fluency, they have defined an era of Test cricket, rising together to take the captaincy of their countries and now ebbing towards the inevitable end. While a crepuscular Root is sparkling in the twilight like a firefly, Kohli and Smith have shown only fleeting glimpses recently of past glory, while the inexorable creep of age and ailments are increasingly afflicting Williamson.

As one begins to look to life beyond them, it becomes clear that the fields of batting brilliance have laid fallow for a period. Using a qualifier of 20 innings, only one player has averaged north of 50 having debuted in the period between Root’s first outing in 2012 and Brook’s bow in the summer of 2022: and Adam Voges’s brief, belated and beguiling Test career is something of a statistical oddity.

But, as every farmer knows, fallow years often prove fruitful in the long run. In fertile turf, a fresh crop is germinating. One cannot help but be enchanted by the princely talents of India opener Yashasvi Jaiswal, who marries a relatively simple technique with the pomp and pageantry one might expect of a graduate of the Indian Premier League (IPL) finishing school.

Yashasvi Jaiswal carries a confidence befitting his talent

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Yashasvi Jaiswal carries a confidence befitting his talent (Getty Images)
A lean Test against the pink ball in Adelaide has dropped Jaiswal’s average down to 54.89, but his ton to set up first Test victory in Perth showed that the left-hander has the game to thrive in all conditions. While the natural variance that comes with facing the new ball may cap the top-end potential of Jaiswal’s average – the middle order is a safer place to swell the mark – the 22-year-old has the voracity of a run-glutton and the confidence, bordering at times on arrogance, that Brook also possesses.


And then there is Kamindu Mendis, who surpassed 50 in each of his first eight Tests. The Sri Lankan left-hander is still three innings away from meeting the established qualifying threshold but his average sits in the mid-70s, even after enduring a tricky time in South Africa. Mendis’s unflustered innings in England last summer showed, though, that he is a man for all conditions. By comparison, the sturdy Saud Shakeel of Pakistan has enjoyed a statistically excellent 24 months but averages 15 outside of Asia.

Sage judges in South Africa have earmarked Dewald Brevis as a special talent; Alick Athanaze of the West Indies topped the run charts at the U19 World Cup at which Brook also starred. Yet out of a desire for natural succession, it is to New Zealand and Australia that many will look to anoint a pair to join Jaiswal and Brook in the next generation. Hopes are high for the Blackcaps’ Rachin Ravindra, so outstanding in his debut World Cup campaign last winter and already with a Test match double-century in his pocket, while Canterbury opener Rhys Mariu has scores of 240, 185, 87 and 70 in the domestic Plunket Shield competition in the last month.
 
Right now 4 that caught the attention are

Brook
Jaiswal
Rachin
Kamindu


First 3 are certain for greatness. I am not sure if Kamindu can sustain. For one thing he bats way down the order. Mostly against old ball.
 
I am not sold on Brook. He is very average against decent spin. Rachin looks real deal, Jaiswal looks the part. Saim has long way to go. He has performed only in ODIs and ODIs are taking a backstage now
 
I am not sold on Brook. He is very average against decent spin. Rachin looks real deal, Jaiswal looks the part. Saim has long way to go. He has performed only in ODIs and ODIs are taking a backstage now
ODIs are the easiest format of all the formats.
 
ODIs are the easiest format of all the formats.
yeah and it also suits lot of players from Pak. It is not too fast paced and strike rates are not scrutinized as much and not intense like test match to tests their skills and technique. That is the reason we see lots of Pakistani batsman doing better in ODIs than tests/T20s
 
Ravindra and harry brook cant play spin, saim can however ravindra and brook are better players of fast bowling but overall saim is better.
 
And it needn't be the number "4". That varies every decade:

(3) 90s: Tendulkar, Waugh, Lara
(5) 00s: Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Sangakkara, Pietersen
(4) 10s: Kohli, Williamson, Root, Smith
Kohli is the worst of the lot
His peak was the shortest

Averages 48 now
He shouldn’t be there tbh

Kane is a stat padder. I would pick kohli over him anyday though
 
Right now 4 that caught the attention are

Brook
Jaiswal
Rachin
Kamindu


First 3 are certain for greatness. I am not sure if Kamindu can sustain. For one thing he bats way down the order. Mostly against old ball.
Not brook. I don’t think so
Only in pattas

Jaiswal is a generational talent. Probably second after Sachin. That’s how talented he is
Rachin yes he will on spin and swing friendly conditions only. Not vs pace and bounce

Kamidu maybe

Rishab pant definitely

Would say jurel

All these in tests I mean
 
Ravindra and harry brook cant play spin, saim can however ravindra and brook are better players of fast bowling but overall saim is better.
Ravindra sucks vs proper spin and vs bounce

But good on flat wickets and swing friendly conditions
 
As of now, no new Fab 4 yet.

There is more like a Fab 2 currently (Rachin and Gill). Even Gill isn't that consistent. :inti
 
Not brook. I don’t think so
Only in pattas

Jaiswal is a generational talent. Probably second after Sachin. That’s how talented he is
Rachin yes he will on spin and swing friendly conditions only. Not vs pace and bounce

Kamidu maybe

Rishab pant definitely

Would say jurel

All these in tests I mean


There have been many generational talent compared to Sachin when they start their careers.

Eventually all of them fall well short of the great man.

Jaiswal is talented and a great prospect for future. But let’s not bring Sachin in to prove this point.

SRT is the most talented and complete batsman to ever play the game. no point comparing every talented new comer to him.
 
There have been many generational talent compared to Sachin when they start their careers.

Eventually all of them fall well short of the great man.

Jaiswal is talented and a great prospect for future. But let’s not bring Sachin in to prove this point.

SRT is the most talented and complete batsman to ever play the game. no point comparing every talented new comer to him.
That’s fair. Me personally I don’t feel he is the most talented and complete batsman to ever play tbh. He is up there but purely talent and skill wise, I actually believe abd was the best player ever. He had all the shots in the book and no weaknesses.
 
There have been many generational talent compared to Sachin when they start their careers.

Eventually all of them fall well short of the great man.

Jaiswal is talented and a great prospect for future. But let’s not bring Sachin in to prove this point.

SRT is the most talented and complete batsman to ever play the game. no point comparing every talented new comer to him.
But abd sadly was a choker and choked in lot of key games in LoI

In tests too for the talent he had, he slightly under achieved. Still had a great career though.
 
Whenever we try to put up a pakistan's name in these fab 4s, it mostly backfires. Let the kid just play and after 4-5 years of consistent top performances we may air this idea..
 
Fab 4 denotes all format quality and the only young player who imo has shown consistent and sufficient promise for that is Jaiswal. Obviously, his career is still at its start and a hundred things can go wrong but based on what he has shown he looks set to dominate world cricket for the next 10-15 years. Brook has ability but not too sure about his temperament.
 
Fab 4 doesn't mean that within this new crop of player, 4 will emerge and become special. It could be fab 2, fab 5, etc. Or could also be fab zero. Some people here was like "fab 5" ... Babar is a good player but no where in the class of fab 5. You need to be in a special legendary s tier class to be in the fab category. This new kid isn't it. Matter of fact, I think Afghan openers have a better chance to become one of the fabs compared to this kid - but I would love to be proven wrong.

Me personally I only see 2 extremely special players starting to emerge and show early signs of their talent - NZ's Rachin - this kid is special and will go onto do many special things and Jaiswal to an extent.
 
What are these baqwas comparisons, he doesn’t need this unnecessary pressure. The first goal is to consistently exploit the PP and be a a vast improvement over the two numpties who have cost Pak numerous tournaments.

We don’t need to prematurely hype players and then bring them down even harder when they fail so we can bring back the chuckle brothers.

Let Saim do his own thing, just being him is enough; the rest will sort itself out.
 
Fab 4 was a term that was used for cricketers that did proper batting, by playing proper cricketing shots. Fab 4 wasnt just name given for any player that plays good cricket.

Saim Ayub is a different kind of player. Not your cover drive kind of player, but someone who likes to play De Villiers type cricket.
 
Fab 4 was a term that was used for cricketers that did proper batting, by playing proper cricketing shots. Fab 4 wasnt just name given for any player that plays good cricket.

Saim Ayub is a different kind of player. Not your cover drive kind of player, but someone who likes to play De Villiers type cricket.
Oh nahi bhai.

Martin crow established this and put Steve smith, Williamson, Root and Kohli at said positions.

The reason he did this is because not only are these 4 the most dominant batters of their era, but he also predicted even back in 2014 that each of these 4 would end up becoming the greatest players that their country has ever produced.

And while his prediction isn't entirely correct it isnt too far off.

Virat kohli is not india's greatest test cricketer and his odi status is debatable with sachin but he's clearly india's greatest ever all format batsmen and top 2 Indian odi batters. Whether you view him > sachin is another matter.

Similarly Steve smith is clearly Australia's greatest ever test batsmen. Bradman is excluded for obvious era reasons.

Kane Williamson is debatable with martin crow and Fleming however he's clearly NZ best all format batter as well. He's easily > Crow as an odi batter and in tests crow is better overseas, Williamson is better at home, he's > Fleming and mcullum was only > him as an odi batter during a purple patch period.

Overall he's NZ greatest all format batter ever.

Root is England's greatest ever test batsmen exlduing bradman era players like hobbs and wally hammond.

^^ These 4 were predicted to not just dominate their era way back when crow made his prediction in 2014, but also be the best of the best which they've managed to achieve in atleast one format.

It has nothing to do technique or how you bat lol. As for saim, He has no relevance to de Villers. Saim is more akin to Saeed Anwar. Their style of batting, Stance and shot selection is eerily similar.

De villers is a 360 unorthodox batsmen, no one and I repeat no one will ever emulate his style, certainly not SKY who Indians have desperately tried to form some non existent comparison with.
 
Jaiswal, Rachin and maybe Brook

SA have some exciting talent- maybe Stubbs

Apart from that don’t see anyone else.

Saim I feel will be in the Inzimam/ Saeed Anwar/Yuvraj category. Great LOI player but average test cricketer. In fact give him 2-3 yrs before the “want to focus on white ball” statement.
 
Jaiswal, Rachin and maybe Brook

SA have some exciting talent- maybe Stubbs

Apart from that don’t see anyone else.

Saim I feel will be in the Inzimam/ Saeed Anwar/Yuvraj category. Great LOI player but average test cricketer. In fact give him 2-3 yrs before the “want to focus on white ball” statement.
None of these people are fab 4 material.

Martin crow made a prediction in 2014 that kohli, Smith, Root, and Williamson would not only become the greatest batters of their generation but the greatest batters their country has ever produced.

And while his prediction wasn't fully correct he was atleast correct about one or 2 formats.

1) Williamson is clearly NZ's greatest all format player. He may not be no 1 in tests as crow is better or no 1 in odi as mccullum is better but he's their best ever all format batsmen.

2) Smith Is Australia's greatest test batter ever excluding don

3) Kohli is a clown in test and he's debatable with sachin in odi but he's india's greatest all format batsmen (test,odi and t20)

4) Root is England's greatest test batsmen post bradman era players like hobbs, wally hammond etc.

These 4 batters are era defining batsmen.

Brooks is overrated. I called him overrated back then and I will call him overrated now.

Rachin is good but he has a steep mountain to climb.

Jaiswal is the only one who has the potential as he can become india's greatest left handed batsmen of all time.

Fab 4 is not a random title that you just dish out lol and give to others.
 
KANE WILLIAMSON PICKS HIS FUTURE FAB 5 - Yashasvi Jaiswal, Shubman Gill, Rachin Ravindra, Harry Brook, Cameron Green. :kp
 
Jaiswal, Rachin and maybe Brook

SA have some exciting talent- maybe Stubbs

Apart from that don’t see anyone else.

Saim I feel will be in the Inzimam/ Saeed Anwar/Yuvraj category. Great LOI player but average test cricketer. In fact give him 2-3 yrs before the “want to focus on white ball” statement.
Why not Rizwan Chanderpaul?
 
Test cricket is the gold standard. You are never going to be a batting superstar if you haven't played good knocks in test cricket.
 
That’s Saim’s first target. To be a 40 avg player in all 3 formats with 100 in all formats + other utility like leadership and secondary skills 👍 won’t be a bad place to start. Baby steps.
Saim's target is to be like Rizwan?
 
Any chance Hassan Nawaz will make the Cut, he also has a blitzing T20 ton , will be ideal Nawaz and Saim opening in T20 Wc
 
Who fed you this analysis? Misbah ul Haq?
A guy who says Usman Khan is the best player, Kamran Ghulam is better than Babar, Asif Ali should be captain and Azam Khan is the best keeper in the country, shouldn't really be talking around here........
 
Test cricket is the gold standard. You are never going to be a batting superstar if you haven't played good knocks in test cricket.
You can be to some extent.

Travis head, Fakhar Zaman and David warner are clearly better odi and t20 players then test batters.

SKY is a pretty solid t20 batsmen even if he is out of form atm.
 
Isn't Kamran Ghulam > Babar atm?

Overall Babar Is a better batsmen since he has the records obviously.

But on current form Babar is toast. People are still living in 2019
 
On topic saim hasn't done anything ( few Good ODI game against second string team's) to be considered for FAB 4 or 5. :kp
 
Saim's target is to be like Rizwan?
You have to pass high school to get to PHD

If Sachin, Wasim, Warne, Lara ,Viv where double PHD’s

Dravid, Waqar, Anderson, Walsh, Kumble, Virat, Inzimam- PHD’s

Younis Khan, Damien Martyn, Mahela- post graduates


Kind of like that.

Rizwan I put him in the graduate category. So yes you need to be a graduate to get to PHD 👍 that’s how it works.
 
You have to pass high school to get to PHD

If Sachin, Wasim, Warne, Lara ,Viv where double PHD’s

Dravid, Waqar, Anderson, Walsh, Kumble, Virat, Inzimam- PHD’s

Younis Khan, Damien Martyn, Mahela- post graduates


Kind of like that.

Rizwan I put him in the graduate category. So yes you need to be a graduate to get to PHD 👍 that’s how it works.
And Misbah is?
 
You have to pass high school to get to PHD

If Sachin, Wasim, Warne, Lara ,Viv where double PHD’s

Dravid, Waqar, Anderson, Walsh, Kumble, Virat, Inzimam- PHD’s

Younis Khan, Damien Martyn, Mahela- post graduates


Kind of like that.

Rizwan I put him in the graduate category. So yes you need to be a graduate to get to PHD 👍 that’s how it works.
What the **** 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
 
You have to pass high school to get to PHD

If Sachin, Wasim, Warne, Lara ,Viv where double PHD’s

Dravid, Waqar, Anderson, Walsh, Kumble, Virat, Inzimam- PHD’s

Younis Khan, Damien Martyn, Mahela- post graduates


Kind of like that.

Rizwan I put him in the graduate category. So yes you need to be a graduate to get to PHD 👍 that’s how it works.
@Rana

We did it. We finally found a post more stupid then Babar can hit 6 4's in a super over 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
 
That's not an analogy, I'm claiming your argument is stupid because it's stupid 🤣
Why is it stupid? On potential can Saim overtake Rizwan- maybe.

Has he already over taken Rizwan on paper in terms of numbers- don’t think so

Is being at Rizwan level his target- don’t think so.

Will he surpass Rizwan- maybe

Has he surpassed Rizwan- NO

Anything out of order here?
 
Why is it stupid? On potential can Saim overtake Rizwan- maybe.

Has he already over taken Rizwan on paper in terms of numbers- don’t think so

Is being at Rizwan level his target- don’t think so.

Will he surpass Rizwan- maybe

Has he surpassed Rizwan- NO

Anything out of order here?
Let's play your game.

Saim in odi in literally 9 games has 3 centuries at an avg of 64 and sr > 100, now yes both will go down as he plays more games however he's already reached Rizwan's century tally in odi despite playing way less games.

Then theirs the fact that he scored it against Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc, Zampa and scored another century vs a full strength SA followed by a 53 ball 100 vs Zimbabwe.

^^ Each of these 3 centuries surpass Rizwan's centuries which were achieved against c string Aus + Sri lanka.

Although you can argue Sri Lanka one is > because it came in a world cup stage.

The only question is test and t20 where saim is behind but the fact that saim is already catching up records wise in less then 15 to 20 games, illustrates how low the bar is.

Now as for your PHD, masters, MBA nonsense. No comment.
 
Let's play your game.

Saim in odi in literally 9 games has 3 centuries at an avg of 64 and sr > 100, now yes both will go down as he plays more games however he's already reached Rizwan's century tally in odi despite playing way less games.

Then theirs the fact that he scored it against Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc, Zampa and scored another century vs a full strength SA followed by a 53 ball 100 vs Zimbabwe.

^^ Each of these 3 centuries surpass Rizwan's centuries which were achieved against c string Aus + Sri lanka.

Although you can argue Sri Lanka one is > because it came in a world cup stage.

The only question is test and t20 where saim is behind but the fact that saim is already catching up records wise in less then 15 to 20 games, illustrates how low the bar is.

Now as for your PHD, masters, MBA nonsense. No comment.
Odi is a dead format. Tests is the real deal where Rizwan is leagues ahead.

T20 is the future where Rizwan is ahead and Saim with his stroke play has shown potential.

too less sample size to say anything.

If you take first 2-3 games of Umar and Virat, Umar looked like he had more upside.

So yes small targets are important.
 
You can be to some extent.

Travis head, Fakhar Zaman and David warner are clearly better odi and t20 players then test batters.

SKY is a pretty solid t20 batsmen even if he is out of form atm.

Bhai Travis Head is a born superstar. He’s blessed by God with reflexes and balls of steel. He’s got ice in his veins too. I can tell you every team right now will give just about anyone for him, maybe except Bumrah everyone else is up for a straight swap for Travis bhai.
 
Bhai Travis Head is a born superstar. He’s blessed by God with reflexes and balls of steel. He’s got ice in his veins too. I can tell you every team right now will give just about anyone for him, maybe except Bumrah everyone else is up for a straight swap for Travis bhai.
Travis is okay. He's not the greatest, he's made a living butchering India and his wc 2023 final sealed his legacy as a superstar.

But otherwise Australia had had better openers them him, Warner, Hayden, Gilly are still better.
 
Travis is okay. He's not the greatest, he's made a living butchering India and his wc 2023 final sealed his legacy as a superstar.

But otherwise Australia had had better openers them him, Warner, Hayden, Gilly are still better.

Bhai Travis can kill any team on any day. The best thing about him is he doesn’t give a fugango.
 
Bhai Travis can kill any team on any day. The best thing about him is he doesn’t give a fugango.
That's why I love him. Even gilly and Warner showed restraint and si did ponting.

Travis just attacks on end with no craps given. Yes it makes him more prone to getting out but gotta give him credit.

The guy only knows how to play one way be it test, odi or t20. To him every format is a t20.
 
That's why I love him. Even gilly and Warner showed restraint and si did ponting.

Travis just attacks on end with no craps given. Yes it makes him more prone to getting out but gotta give him credit.

The guy only knows how to play one way be it test, odi or t20. To him every format is a t20.

To be honest, our Kiddo Abhishek Sharma absolutely copied his attitude by opening alongside him for two seasons. This is what these kinda leagues can do if a young hater has the right attitude to learn bro.
 
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