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New Fab Four of the next generation: Will Saim Ayub make the cut?

Does Saim Ayub deserve a spot in the New Fab Four of the next generation?

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Lets forget about a useless global list. Saim is currently one of the fab-4 for Pakistan.
 
Hasn't been the same since his injury comeback. Hopefully it's temporary
 
gazza619 said:
Lets forget about a useless global list. Saim is currently one of the fab-4 for Pakistan.
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A newbie whos hasnt even hit 50 international games is already fab 4 for pakistan?

And please tell me babar and rizwan aren't on the list 🤣🤣
 
Saim honestly shouldn’t worry about the fab 4 nonsense.

He should just focus on his batting and finding form. He is humble enough to know the graft ahead for himself.
 
mominsaigol said:
A newbie whos hasnt even hit 50 international games is already fab 4 for pakistan?

And please tell me babar and rizwan aren't on the list 🤣🤣
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It would be madness to include RizBar on the list instead of Azam Khan, Asif Ali & Sharjeel Khan.
 
Saim Ayub is tullebaaz who don't deserve to name along with jaiswal, Rachin, bravis etc :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Saim Ayub is tullebaaz who don't deserve to name along with jaiswal, Rachin, bravis etc :kp
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Much better Pakistani batsmen did not get compared with their contemporaries for the right reasons.Same goes with saim Ayub. Forget about brevis. Look at the other young south African batters..breeze, Cricketing. They are way ahead.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Much better Pakistani batsmen did not get compared with their contemporaries for the right reasons.Same goes with saim Ayub. Forget about brevis. Look at the other young south African batters..breeze, Cricketing. They are way ahead.
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Matthew Breetzke is going to big big player for South Africa . South Africa cricket is in good hand. Great to see :kp
 
LMAO

May as well put Mohammad Haris in here after his magnificent innings against UAE, infact he is having a wonderful Tri Series
 
sweep_shot said:
My new Fab Four:

Saim, Gill, Brevis, Harry Brook.
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Saim wont make it.

Atm Harry Brook is clearly in the lead for test cricket. But he's untested in so many conditons. NZ, pak, And England are the only conditons hes played in atm.

Although hes dominated in each.
 
sweep_shot said:
My new Fab Four:

Saim, Gill, Brevis, Harry Brook.
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Gill, Jaiswal, Brook, Rachin.

Have got good test performances, especially away from home as well.

Pakistani players don't care about tests and they just don't have the ecosystem where players constantly improve and become world beaters by late 20s - early 30s.

Saim will have a decent career but will just not go to the "next level" (no Pakistani has since Younis Khan. Even Babar couldn't).

He will still be in the team and have a long career due to lack of options.
 
mominsaigol said:
Saim wont make it.

Atm Harry Brook is clearly in the lead for test cricket. But he's untested in so many conditons. NZ, pak, And England are the only conditons hes played in atm.

Although hes dominated in each.
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No one is the finished product at 26.

England have got a good system with which players peak in their early 30s.

Brook will be an ATG.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
No one is the finished product at 26.

England have got a good system with which players peak in their early 30s.

Brook will be an ATG.
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I back brook but he will struggle big time in asia.

He can only attack vs Spin. You can't attack 24/7. His defensive game vs Spin is non existent..

Pre pitch doctoring pak, NZ ane Eng have terrible conditions for spinners in general.
 
Saim will be terrific in ODIs. Tests are no longer that important outside of 3/4 nations. But he would have done well in Tests in the years gone by.

He won't be an elite T20 hitter.
 
Saim has done well in Odis and I think he is made for that format.

He can also do well in tests especially in Asian conditions, and this will be good enough to take Pakistan out of the current situation they are facing across formats.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Saim will be terrific in ODIs. Tests are no longer that important outside of 3/4 nations. But he would have done well in Tests in the years gone by.

He won't be an elite T20 hitter.
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He has a brilliant 98 in 47 balls in South Africa, so he definitely does have the talent to do well in T20 cricket.
 
The previous fab 4 was formed by the media and fans after the four players in question achieved something. None of the current players have played enough to be forming any sort of fab group. They need a few years of consistent performances before we start putting them in any group. For now we just have players with potential to be great, they still have a long way to go.
 
giri26 said:
The previous fab 4 was formed by the media and fans after the four players in question achieved something. None of the current players have played enough to be forming any sort of fab group. They need a few years of consistent performances before we start putting them in any group. For now we just have players with potential to be great, they still have a long way to go.
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They were anointed fab 4 in 2014 after they had decentish test performances.

The article was on 29 Aug 2014

www.espncricinfo.com

Test cricket's young Fab Four

Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson will take turns as the No. 1 Test batsman. So far each has shown only one technical weakness
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

Their stats at that time

Williamson - 2377 @ 40.28 with 7 100s aged 24
Kohli - 1855 @ 39.46 with 6 100s aged 25
Root - 1732 @ 50.94 with 5 100s aged 23
Smith - 1361 @ 40.02 with 4 100s aged 25

Using similar parameters the new fab 4 is the one I have suggested:

Brook - 2820 @ 57.55 with 10 100s aged 26
Gill - 2647 @ 41.35 with 9 100s aged 26
Jaiswal - 2209 @ 50.20 with 6 100s aged 23
Ravindra - 1224 @ 42.20 with 3 100s aged 25

All four have away centuries too in wins vs top 4-5 nations.

Also have decent white ball performances.

Don't think there is anyone else at that age group at that level.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
They were anointed fab 4 in 2014 after they had decentish test performances.

The article was on 29 Aug 2014

www.espncricinfo.com

Test cricket's young Fab Four

Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson will take turns as the No. 1 Test batsman. So far each has shown only one technical weakness
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

Their stats at that time

Williamson - 2377 @ 40.28 with 7 100s aged 24
Kohli - 1855 @ 39.46 with 6 100s aged 25
Root - 1732 @ 50.94 with 5 100s aged 23
Smith - 1361 @ 40.02 with 4 100s aged 25

Using similar parameters the new fab 4 is the one I have suggested:

Brook - 2820 @ 57.55 with 10 100s aged 26
Gill - 2647 @ 41.35 with 9 100s aged 26
Jaiswal - 2209 @ 50.20 with 6 100s aged 23
Ravindra - 1224 @ 42.20 with 3 100s aged 25

All four have away centuries too in wins vs top 4-5 nations.

Also have decent white ball performances.

Don't think there is anyone else at that age group at that level.
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You cant have 2 members of the fab 4 be from the same country lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
You cant have 2 members of the fab 4 be from the same country lol.
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Not really. As long as they are young and have done well, what does it matter?

Who else is in that age bracket (below 26) and have done as well as these four?

Abdullah Shafique is one but his average is below 40 and no noticeable away performances vs strong teams. Was poor in Aus, his only series outside Asia.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
Not really. As long as they are young and have done well, what does it matter?

Who else is in that age bracket (below 26) and have done as well as these four?

Abdullah Shafique is one but his average is below 40 and no noticeable away performances vs strong teams. Was poor in Aus, his only series outside Asia.
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The fab 4 nonsense should not be a thing.

Matin crow predicted that kohli, Steve Smith, Williamson and Joe root would become the greatest players of their era and the greatest their country had ever produced.

While his claim wasn't entirely accurate he was still correct about one or 2 formats.

Steve Smith is clearly Australia's greatest test player of all time with no one coming close. Don Bradman should not be counted as he's mostly folklore like Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris.

Similarly excluding ww2, Root is clearly England's greatest test player of all time, where he stands in odi is debatable but in test he clears everyone excluding ww2 era players like hobbs.

Kohli's status is debatable with Sachin in odi and he fell off in test but he is clearly India's greatest t20 player and India's greatest all format player of all time no question about it. He's probably > Sachin in odi as well.

Finally Williamson is once again NZ's greatest all format player of all time, Again where he stands with Martin Crow and Brendon Mccullum is debatable bit stats wise and achievements wise he clears them both.

Brook, Gill, Jaiswal, Rachin have a very tall ladder to climb.

Martin Crow never stated that a fav 4 would just pop up every era lol. Fab 4 is meant to be ATG and honestly too many people are classified as ATG now adays. ATG means best of the best.

Their is no reason why the likes of Jadeja, Ashwin, Graeme Smith, David Warner, Kevin Pietersen shpuod be classified as ATG. They are good but not best of the best.

ATG should be reserved for Dravid(Test), Sachin (All formats), Sehwag, Kohli and a few others. I wouldn't even put rohit here on this list.

Like I said very very very tall ladder to climb. I dont see any of the other 4 coming anywhere close to Fab 4 status.

Jaiswal is a softie, Brook is juat an improved version of KP in test but a temu version of him in odi and t20, Rachin is nowhere near as good as he is made out to be, just a purple patch in wc 2023, Gill is a FTB.

Only jaiswal has the realistic potential out of these 4.
 
mominsaigol said:
The fab 4 nonsense should not be a thing.

Matin crow predicted that kohli, Steve Smith, Williamson and Joe root would become the greatest players of their era and the greatest their country had ever produced.

While his claim wasn't entirely accurate he was still correct about one or 2 formats.

Steve Smith is clearly Australia's greatest test player of all time with no one coming close. Don Bradman should not be counted as he's mostly folklore like Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris.

Similarly excluding ww2, Root is clearly England's greatest test player of all time, where he stands in odi is debatable but in test he clears everyone excluding ww2 era players like hobbs.

Kohli's status is debatable with Sachin in odi and he fell off in test but he is clearly India's greatest t20 player and India's greatest all format player of all time no question about it. He's probably > Sachin in odi as well.

Finally Williamson is once again NZ's greatest all format player of all time, Again where he stands with Martin Crow and Brendon Mccullum is debatable bit stats wise and achievements wise he clears them both.

Brook, Gill, Jaiswal, Rachin have a very tall ladder to climb.

Martin Crow never stated that a fav 4 would just pop up every era lol. Fab 4 is meant to be ATG and honestly too many people are classified as ATG now adays. ATG means best of the best.

Their is no reason why the likes of Jadeja, Ashwin, Graeme Smith, David Warner, Kevin Pietersen shpuod be classified as ATG. They are good but not best of the best.

ATG should be reserved for Dravid(Test), Sachin (All formats), Sehwag, Kohli and a few others. I wouldn't even put rohit here on this list.

Like I said very very very tall ladder to climb. I dont see any of the other 4 coming anywhere close to Fab 4 status.

Jaiswal is a softie, Brook is juat an improved version of KP in test but a temu version of him in odi and t20, Rachin is nowhere near as good as he is made out to be, just a purple patch in wc 2023, Gill is a FTB.

Only jaiswal has the realistic potential out of these 4.
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Naah if you look at the numbers I showed, except Root the other three were averaging 40ish.

These four might not become the greatest of their country but will surely be greatest in their era maybe 5 years from now.

No one in their age group is in the same level.

You have guys like Pant, Duckett etc but they are slightly older.

And all 4 have had some great performances. At this age, more about potential rather than the finished product. Their peaks will arrive in 4-5 years.

Jaiswal has had match winning hundreds in Perth and the Oval and the Oval one was series drawing.

Brook has been great in tests although not played India or Australia away. Was responsible for whitewashing Pak away in 2022.

Rachin was MoT in CT 2025 too, not just WC 2023 and had a match/series winning hundred in India breaking India's unbeaten 12 year home streak.

Gill had 700+ runs and hit twin centuries (including a double) to become the first Asian team to beat England in Edgbaston. Also had that 91 at the Gabba which was series winning and Australia's first loss at the Gabba in 30+ years.

None of them are ATGs yet but they have all had some ATG level performances.

I think all four will end up averaging 50+ at their peak and worst case scenario, 45+ at the end of their careers.

No one in their age group has similar CVs.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
Naah if you look at the numbers I showed, except Root the other three were averaging 40ish.

These four might not become the greatest of their country but will surely be greatest in their era maybe 5 years from now.

No one in their age group is in the same level.

You have guys like Pant, Duckett etc but they are slightly older.

And all 4 have had some great performances. At this age, more about potential rather than the finished product. Their peaks will arrive in 4-5 years.

Jaiswal has had match winning hundreds in Perth and the Oval and the Oval one was series drawing.

Brook has been great in tests although not played India or Australia away. Was responsible for whitewashing Pak away in 2022.

Rachin was MoT in CT 2025 too, not just WC 2023 and had a match/series winning hundred in India breaking India's unbeaten 12 year home streak.

Gill had 700+ runs and hit twin centuries (including a double) to become the first Asian team to beat England in Edgbaston. Also had that 91 at the Gabba which was series winning and Australia's first loss at the Gabba in 30+ years.

None of them are ATGs yet but they have all had some ATG level performances.

I think all four will end up averaging 50+ at their peak and worst case scenario, 45+ at the end of their careers.

No one in their age group has similar CVs.
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We all know why Brook avg 57 and why Gill avg 41 lol.

Jaiswal is the only one so far who's stats actually reflect his ability
 
mominsaigol said:
You cant have 2 members of the fab 4 be from the same country lol.
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Why?
Also you are not allowed to frame rules for fab 4, your country has no stake in it as they are nowhere near to producing a fab 4 level talent.

As of now only India, Aus,Nz and Eng can have a say in this.
 
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mominsaigol said:
We all know why Brook avg 57 and why Gill avg 41 lol.

Jaiswal is the only one so far who's stats actually reflect his ability
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Like I said if you look at the stats all 3 of Williamson, Smith and Kohli were averaging around 40 when they were anointed as part of the fab 4.

Gill has been averaging 46+ over the last 2 years and that average will go up now.

Brook's will decrease but should be around that 50 mark.

Like I said, no one is an ATG at that age. It's about potential.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
Like I said if you look at the stats all 3 of Williamson, Smith and Kohli were averaging around 40 when they were anointed as part of the fab 4.

Gill has been averaging 46+ over the last 2 years and that average will go up now.

Brook's will decrease but should be around that 50 mark.

Like I said, no one is an ATG at that age. It's about potential.
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Gill avg 35 pre England series where his avg reached 43 due to the flat tracks. Ironically after 2 tests he was poised to overtake Bradman but as soon as england curated a spicy 3rd track gill fell off and couldnt even surpass Steve Smith's record. After that he went from 43 to 41.

Brook avg 68 at one point since the pitches he got in pakistan were a joke ore aqib. Everyone's mama avg 100+.

Pakistan with a very very weak batting line-up managed to score 400-500 against Jimmy anderson led england attack multiple times in 2022 and then scored 500 in 2024 post Anderson.

England countered by smacking 800 etc etc.

Root avg 100+ Brook avg close to 160.

4 of his 10 centuries are vs Pakistan. His avg only fell off due to pitch doctoring.

In England hes been excellent but that 43 avg is nore reflective of his actual caliber then 57.

He was gun in NZ though and full credit to him for that. I have zero counters since he basically annihilated NZ in conditons where almost every side and every newbie tends to struggle irrespective of whether they are Sena batters or Subcontinent batters.
 
mominsaigol said:
Gill avg 35 pre England series where his avg reached 43 due to the flat tracks. Ironically after 2 tests he was poised to overtake Bradman but as soon as england curated a spicy 3rd track gill fell off and couldnt even surpass Steve Smith's record. After that he went from 43 to 41.

Brook avg 68 at one point since the pitches he got in pakistan were a joke ore aqib. Everyone's mama avg 100+.

Pakistan with a very very weak batting line-up managed to score 400-500 against Jimmy anderson led england attack multiple times in 2022 and then scored 500 in 2024 post Anderson.

England countered by smacking 800 etc etc.

Root avg 100+ Brook avg close to 160.

4 of his 10 centuries are vs Pakistan. His avg only fell off due to pitch doctoring.

In England hes been excellent but that 43 avg is nore reflective of his actual caliber then 57.

He was gun in NZ though and full credit to him for that. I have zero counters since he basically annihilated NZ in conditons where almost every side and every newbie tends to struggle irrespective of whether they are Sena batters or Subcontinent batters.
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Your assumption is that there will be no flat tracks in the future.

All great players have boosted stats on flat tracks.

Gill's record is lower than his ability simply due to playing in absolute minefields at home/away.

He averaged 50+ in the BGT 20-21 on decentish tracks and even the Eng 2024 home series had some turning tracks. He was good in the 4th match which was a turner.

Not saying any of them will be ATG but they are the best of their batch and will be top players of their era.

Similar to the late 2000s - early 2010s when the top players were guys like ABDV, Amla, Clarke, KP, Cook etc.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
Your assumption is that there will be no flat tracks in the future.

All great players have boosted stats on flat tracks.

Gill's record is lower than his ability simply due to playing in absolute minefields at home/away.

He averaged 50+ in the BGT 20-21 on decentish tracks and even the Eng 2024 home series had some turning tracks. He was good in the 4th match which was a turner.

Not saying any of them will be ATG but they are the best of their batch and will be top players of their era.

Similar to the late 2000s - early 2010s when the top players were guys like ABDV, Amla, Clarke, KP, Cook etc.
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Gill has failed on every track with even a bit of assistance both home and away. Plain as day. The 3rd test and the 5th test aren't hard pitches.

England bottled it and India batted poorly. Credit to india for bowling out of their skins though. But none of these pitches are quote on quote minefields.

The minefields at home didnt seem to affect jaiswal? Yet they affected gill.
 
mominsaigol said:
Gill has failed on every track with even a bit of assistance both home and away. Plain as day. The 3rd test and the 5th test aren't hard pitches.

England bottled it and India batted poorly. Credit to india for bowling out of their skins though. But none of these pitches are quote on quote minefields.

The minefields at home didnt seem to affect jaiswal? Yet they affected gill.
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Jaiswal debuted in 2023. His first home game was 2024 aka that England series where both of them made runs. Gill debuted in 2020.

These were not flat pitches and Gill made runs here:

 
BouncerGuy said:
What feet??? NUMB FEET??
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He's part of the winning combo so we can't even think about replacing him atm. We've just won series against WI, Afgh and UAE.

Although ATG Aussie side of 2000's did replace players when they were out of form, I think we are doing much better and need to stick with the winning combo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Ahmed216 said:
He's part of the winning combo so we can't even think about replacing him atm. We've just won series against WI, Afgh and UAE.

Although ATG Aussie side of 2000's did replace players when they were out of form, I think we are doing much better and need to stick with the winning combo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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You are my 6th opponent bro.

I am taking on everyone. Although in a respectful manner. I don't like attacking any Pakistani brother.

Like I said, You want some, Come get some.
 
mominsaigol said:
Muhammad haris is listed to bat at no 3 today.

@gazza619 @Nikhil_cric @BouncerGuy @Major @Sachin fan @Ahmed216

YOU WANT SOME, COME GET SOME
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Also off topic but @Nikhil_cric needs to hear this.

My friend asked me if we can travel today. I told him their is no chance we will be late as I'm always in the flight on time.

My flight got delayed, and after engine problem it got cancelled with our flight now traversing tmr. Looks like the jinx is affecting real life now.

World's strongest jinx :vk2
 
Fab 4 was all about cross-format consistent performances. Saim doesn’t play all formats. He is consistent in being poor. The few good innings stand out.

Congrats to all Pak fans on Saim making it to t20 all-rounder rankings.
 
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