New York Times: In Pakistan-held Kashmir, growing calls for independence

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MUZAFFARABAD, Kashmir — In Pakistan-controlled Azad Jammu and Kashmir, the simple fact of the region’s name — with azad meaning free — is a declaration that Kashmiris here enjoy a liberty denied to their kin across the border, in the Indian-held portion of the disputed territory.

But even in Pakistan-held Kashmir, the message has been clear, residents say: No talk of independence will be allowed.

As an Indian crackdown on the other side of Kashmir has led to massive civil unrest and new calls for a Kashmir free from either India or Pakistan, local activists and officials say a parallel security operation is being pushed inside Pakistan.

Pakistan has long prided itself on being a champion for Kashmiris, who are predominantly Muslim. And the government has chastised India for suppressing calls for freedom in the portion of Kashmir that New Delhi controls.

But New York Times journalists who were granted rare access to Azad Jammu and Kashmir in recent days found a toughening Pakistani security response to a growing pro-independence movement here.

Residents say the upwelling is rooted in fears that their ability to reunify has been slowly slipping away ever since India increased its control of the divided territory and Pakistan did little to stop it other than to offer negotiations that India refused.

The Pakistani crackdown also has another focus, locals say: As outrage over India’s move to end Kashmiri autonomy last month has galvanized militants, Pakistani officials fear they could face international sanctions if they don’t rein in the armed groups.

On both sides of the border, Kashmiris are expressing frustration that no one is on their side.

“Both countries have gone to war over Kashmir. But Kashmiris have never had a voice in any of these disputes,” said Abdul Hakeem Kashmiri, a prominent journalist in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistani-held Kashmir.

“We love the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani people, but we have our own culture. And people know what the unspoken red line is: independence,” Mr. Kashmiri said.

Pro-independence demonstrations that once attracted dozens of protesters are now attracting thousands, residents say. In one case this month, some 5,000 Kashmiris tried to march to the Indian border in Poonch district in Azad Jammu and Kashmir, local police officials said. Protesters charged at Pakistani security officers while chanting, “We want freedom on this side and we want freedom on the other side,” and “Foreign oppressors, leave us alone.”

Police batons cracked into the protesters, halting their advance and leading to scuffles that left 18 demonstrators and seven Pakistani police officers wounded, officials said. The protests were barely covered in Pakistani media, and mobile phone and internet were cut off for awhile in the area. One military general dismissed the demonstrators as “Indian agents.”

Despite appeals from the political leadership of Pakistan-held Kashmir to stop marching to the border area, Kashmiris say they plan to press on. They have called for massive protests on the border with India on Saturday and in early October that are expected to be the biggest demonstrations yet.

“The independence struggle on both sides of the border is being suppressed,” said Anam Zakaria, the author of “Between the Great Divide: A Journey into Pakistan-administered Kashmir.” “There is a frustration that they have been on the front line of the conflict and are pawns in this greater game between India and Pakistan,” she said.

Last month, India stripped the autonomy from the portion of Kashmir it holds and strengthened New Delhi’s hold on the territory, detaining local politicians and activists and imposing a curfew and communications blockade that has entered its second month.

The protests are channeling civilian anger at the “line of control,” the de facto border that splits Kashmir between India and Pakistan, slicing through valleys dotted with wildflowers and pine trees, down the middle of rivers and through entire towns.

Sheep graze over the heavily mined boundary. Shepherds accidentally cross it, oblivious to its contours, only to be shelled by Indian or Pakistani soldiers, or detained.

The line demarcates the point where, in 1947, Indian forces repelled invading Pashtun tribal fighters that Pakistan drew from its border area with Afghanistan — the beginning of a longstanding Pakistani strategy to use militant proxies to weaken its neighboring rivals.

Originally, the line of control was meant to be temporary, with plans for a referendum that would allow Kashmiris to choose whether to join India or Pakistan. That vote never happened, and now, after decades of fighting, many Kashmiris fear that the temporary boundary will become a hard border, dividing the territory permanently.

“Kashmiris are trying to take their fate in their own hands. We realize that we can only rely on ourselves,” said Haris Qadeer, a young Kashmiri who joined the protests and whose newspaper in Muzaffarabad was shut down in 2017 for its pro-independence stance.

“The line of control is what separates us, it is what makes us refugees in our own country,” Mr. Qadeer said.

The police force used against protesters this month was a “preventive measure,” said the president of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Masood Khan, saying that the police response was restrained compared with that used by Indian forces on the other side of the line, who he said at times open fire on protesters trying to cross the border, resulting in serious injuries.

“There is a high degree of tolerance for dissent. There is an overwhelming pro-Pakistan sentiment in Azad Kashmir and Indian-occupied Kashmir,” Mr. Khan added.

But Kashmiri nationalists are forbidden in government. Elected officials like Mr. Khan must sign a declaration before they can run for office stating that they “believe in the ideology of Pakistan” and in Kashmir’s eventually accession to become a formal part of that country.

Some here say that Pakistan’s response is also rooted in the fear that militants the Pakistani security forces once mobilized to fight India in Kashmir are gearing up again right as Pakistan faces the threat of international sanctions if it does not crack down on terrorist groups.

One former Kashmiri militant said he was angry at what he saw as a hypocritical betrayal by Pakistani officials, who recently shut down the border after pushing various militants to cross it in the 1990s.

The militant, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisal by the authorities, said Pakistan’s military had “polluted” the Kashmiri cause by using the issue as a rallying cry for various terrorist groups in Pakistan to fight India, including Lashkar-e-Taiba, which took part in later attacks against India’s parliament in 2001 and in Mumbai in 2008.

“We were freedom fighters, made up from the Kashmiri people. But then Pakistan pushed groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba on our movement. People began to confuse our struggle for freedom with a desire for terrorism,” the former militant said.

Under heavy international pressure to cut links to militants, Pakistan is squeezing the jihadists who once operated freely in Muzaffarabad city, a nerve center for anti-Indian groups, locals say.

In Muzaffarabad, the local office of Hizbul Mujahedeen, a leading faction in the deadly insurgency that wracked Indian-held Kashmir in the 1990s, has been shuttered by officials since May.

“Jihad had once become a way of living,” said Manzoor Gilani, the former chief justice of Azad Jammu and Kashmir.

Now, “not every Tom, Dick and Harry can stand up and say they will go for jihad,” Mr. Gilani added. “The jihadists are now styled as terrorists. They served the interests of Pakistan at one time, but now Pakistan feels it was a bad way of doing business.”

But with India moving unilaterally to finalize its grip on Kashmir, some residents say Pakistan has chosen the worst time to shift gears.

Abdul Rashid Turabi, the former head of Jamaat-e-Islami, believed to be the political arm of the militants Hizbul Mujahedeen, insisted that his group still hoped for peace. “That and dialogue are the priorities,” he said in an interview.

But he added that time was running out for a diplomatic solution to the crisism, and that many here were unwilling to hold back.

“Narendra Modi is driving people to jihad, not me,” he said, referring to India’s prime minister.

Other residents were less restrained.

“The only solution is war,” said Muhammad Arshad Abbasi, a shopkeeper in Chakothi, one of the last border towns before the line of control. “It has been 70 years, and what has talking with India achieved? There is no way other than jihad.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/world/asia/pakistan-kashmir-independence.html
 
so Azad kishmir citizens want pak to go for militant option, so Pak is in lose lose situation both ways. And this same nytimes will then blame Pak for supporting terrorists. Such a disgusting agenda driven propaganda.
 
Pretty desperate attempt by Indian lol

Try this

"“We love the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani people, but we have our own culture. And people know what the unspoken red line is: independence,” Mr. Kashmiri said."

On the other hand, Kashmiris hate the Indian forces and many would take their lives if possible.

Pakistan PM has made it clear the Kashmiris have this right to self deterimination so it's not an issue for Pakistan.
 
Lol indians will try to pass this off as something else.

But in reality, there is frustration that Pakistan is not doing enough for iok. Seems like they want Pakistan to give more support to separatists.

But I agree it is lose lose for Pakistan. If they don't do it, azad kashmiris will get increasingly frustrated. If they do it, then international sanctions and a worse relationship with the U.S. is a possibility. Normally this wouldn't deter Pakistan, but with ongoing financial problems it is a different story.
 
Indian trying to spin it again.

Do any Indian knows how to read without saffron tinted goggles?
 
How come Azad Kashmir is so peaceful and you don't hear of any trouble, but on the other hand, IOK is so different?
 
About time. Either integrate it into Pakistan or conduct a plebisite. This drama of calling it Azad with a dummy head will frustrate people considering they are stuck in a limbo
 
Ok so New York Times is back to being a media house of repute which Hindutva keyboard warriors can quote?



Or is it just garbage and fake media when reporting on Indian atrocities in Occupied Kashmir?
 
The Kashmiris I met on my trip few years ago were mad at Pakistan but their reason was that Pakistan doesn’t consider them part of Pakistan and as a result of that they do not get representation in National Assembly and hence also do not get development funds.
 
"“We love the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani people, but we have our own culture. And people know what the unspoken red line is: independence,” Mr. Kashmiri said."

lol Every region, province and ethnicity in Pakistan has its own culture, the people of AJK are culturally the same as the people of the Potohar and Hazara area. I don't know what he means by "our own culture". Koshur and Pahari culture were always very different, we never intermarried. The mountains were a natural boundary, people on his side had no idea what culture or language was spoken in the valley. Some of these nationalists need to read a book.
 
In Pakistan-Held Kashmir, Growing Calls for Independence (NY Times)

In Pakistan-controlled Azad Jammu and Kashmir, the simple fact of the region’s name — with azad meaning free — is a declaration that Kashmiris here enjoy a liberty denied to their kin across the border, in the Indian-held portion of the disputed territory.

But even in Pakistan-held Kashmir, the message has been clear, residents say: No talk of independence will be allowed.

But New York Times journalists who were granted rare access to Azad Jammu and Kashmir in recent days found a toughening Pakistani security response to a growing independence movement here.

“Both countries have gone to war over Kashmir. But Kashmiris have never had a voice in any of these disputes,” said Abdul Hakeem Kashmiri, a prominent journalist in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistani-held Kashmir.

We love the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani people, but we have our own culture. And people know what the unspoken red line is: independence,” Mr. Kashmiri said.

Pro-independence demonstrations that once attracted dozens of protesters are now attracting thousands, residents say. In one case this month, some 5,000 Kashmiris tried to march to the Indian border in Poonch district in Azad Jammu and Kashmir, local police officials said.

Protesters charged at Pakistani security officers while chanting, “We want freedom on this side and we want freedom on the other side,” and “Foreign oppressors, leave us alone.”

Police batons cracked into the protesters, halting their advance and leading to scuffles that left 18 demonstrators and seven Pakistani police officers wounded, officials said.

The protests were barely covered in Pakistani media, and mobile phone and internet were cut off for awhile in the area. One military general dismissed the demonstrators as “Indian agents.”

Despite appeals from the political leadership of Pakistan-held Kashmir to stop marching to the border area, Kashmiris say they plan to press on.

They have called for massive protests on the border with India on Saturday and in early October that are expected to be the biggest demonstrations yet.

One former Kashmiri militant said he was angry at what he saw as a hypocritical betrayal by Pakistani officials, who recently shut down the border after pushing various militants to cross it in the 1990s.

The militant, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisal by the authorities, said Pakistan’s military had “polluted” the Kashmiri cause by using the issue as a rallying cry for various terrorist groups in Pakistan to fight India, including Lashkar-e-Taiba, which took part in later attacks against India’s parliament in 2001 and in Mumbai in 2008.

“We were freedom fighters, made up from the Kashmiri people. But then Pakistan pushed groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba on our movement. People began to confuse our struggle for freedom with a desire for terrorism,” the former militant said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/world/asia/pakistan-kashmir-independence.html

An eye opening article that exposes the Pakistan state propaganda and the fake narrative that ‘Azad’ Kashmir is content with being part of Pakistan and that there is no growing separatist movement.

It also exposes how the media has been instructed to not report the rising protests in recent times.

The hypocrisy couldn’t be more obvious. While we criticize India for not respecting the wishes of the people of J&K, we are guilty of exactly the same and have failed to practice what we preach.

It is true that the independence movement in J&K is more aggressive, but that doesn’t matter - it is a matter of principle.

Regardless of their number - 500, 1,000 or 5,000, they deserve to have a platform at a national level and have their voices heard in stead of being suppressed by the armed forces. They deserve media coverage.

For Pakistan’s stance on J&K to have credibility and the belief that the people of Kashmir deserve to decide their own future, wouldn’t it be prudent to recognize the independence movement in Azad Kashmir and show India the way?

Wouldn’t leading by example the right thing to do?

Unfortunately, doing the right thing is not the Pakistani way. We are fully aware of the fact that our narrative and stance on Kashmir is hypocritical without a shred of credibility.

However, it doesn’t matter to us because Kashmir is nothing but a tool for our establishment to maintain hostile relations with India.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have totally lost it, are you really that dumb or just try to be and off late you are not even be subtle about it.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/world/asia/pakistan-kashmir-independence.html

An eye opening article that exposes the Pakistan state propaganda and the fake narrative that ‘Azad’ Kashmir is content with being part of Pakistan and that there is no growing separatist movement.

It also exposes how the media has been instructed to not report the rising protests in recent times.

The hypocrisy couldn’t be more obvious. While we criticize India for not respecting the wishes of the people of J&K, we are guilty of exactly the same and have failed to practice what we preach.

It is true that the independence movement in J&K is more aggressive, but that doesn’t matter - it is a matter of principle.

Regardless of their number - 500, 1,000 or 5,000, they deserve to have a platform at a national level and have their voices heard in stead of being suppressed by the armed forces. They deserve media coverage.

For Pakistan’s stance on J&K to have credibility and the belief that the people of Kashmir deserve to decide their own future, wouldn’t it be prudent to recognize the independence movement in Azad Kashmir and show India the way?

Wouldn’t leading by example the right thing to do?

Unfortunately, doing the right thing is not the Pakistani way. We are fully aware of the fact that our narrative and stance on Kashmir is hypocritical without a shred of credibility.

However, it doesn’t matter to us because Kashmir is nothing but a tool for our establishment to maintain hostile relations with India.

You really have lost it...

Pakistani Kashmiris biggest gripe is that Pakistan doesn’t officially consider them Pakistanis and hasn’t brought them to the mainstream and not doing enough to bring back indian occupied Kashmir to the fold. Atleast read your own article
 
You really have lost it...

Pakistani Kashmiris biggest gripe is that Pakistan doesn’t officially consider them Pakistanis and hasn’t brought them to the mainstream and not doing enough to bring back indian occupied Kashmir to the fold. Atleast read your own article

I have read the article and it has highlighted that there is an independence movement in Azad Kashmir that has been shunned by the security forces. In addition, they do not get media coverage.

Now the percentage of people in Azad Kashmir who demand independence is obviously lower than the percentage of people in J&K, but as I said, it is a matter of principal. Regardless of the number of people who are part of the independence movement, they deserve to be given a platform at the national level and have their voices heard.

By shunning them out or by denying their presence, Pakistan is not only ensuring that its stance on J&K lacks credibility, but they are also weakening the voices of independence in J&K. It is very obvious that the establishment of Pakistan is not prepared to practice what its preaches.

Hopefully their hypocrisy will continue to be highlighted in international media.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have totally lost it, are you really that dumb or just try to be and off late you are not even be subtle about it.

Some Indian friends are getting the floor wiped with them to such an extent threads have to be removed because it showcases their bigotry, so propaganda pieces are a must for those who are struggling to uphold the reputation of shining nations.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] you nailed it. on side note does your name mean Captain Corruption, sound weird, can I know the reference or background of it.
 
I have read the article and it has highlighted that there is an independence movement in Azad Kashmir that has been shunned by the security forces. In addition, they do not get media coverage.

Now the percentage of people in Azad Kashmir who demand independence is obviously lower than the percentage of people in J&K, but as I said, it is a matter of principal. Regardless of the number of people who are part of the independence movement, they deserve to be given a platform at the national level and have their voices heard.

By shunning them out or by denying their presence, Pakistan is not only ensuring that its stance on J&K lacks credibility, but they are also weakening the voices of independence in J&K. It is very obvious that the establishment of Pakistan is not prepared to practice what its preaches.

Hopefully their hypocrisy will continue to be highlighted in international media.
absolute rubbish.

Go to azad kashmir, there is no censorship, no blockade, no army influence there! Speak to the people, ask the people, they will say only one thing.

Don't talk rubbish about something you have no knowledge on, stick to medicine and cricket.

They are more pakistani than you could ever be.

Not even 1% of the population of Azad Kashmir wants independence.

Hold a referendum today and now if you wish and there will only be one result, a landslide victory in favour of being a part of Pakistan.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] you nailed it. on side note does your name mean Captain Corruption, sound weird, can I know the reference or background of it.

It was just a name I picked up which I felt best summed up Pakistan, not really meant to be taken 100% seriously. I made it up on the spot, not too much thought went into it.

And yes, rishwat means bribery.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] thanks for the reply, I think it may sum up pak political or economical problems but there are still hope and honesty left in this country, so do consider to change your user name.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] thanks for the reply, I think it may sum up pak political or economical problems but there are still hope and honesty left in this country, so do consider to change your user name.

I will change it when it is no longer representative of the country. I am not here like many cross border forum terrorists who will spout endless propaganda, I call a spade a spade.

Corruption is rife in all third world countries, Pakistan must fight to eradicate it through tough measures and transparency.
 
FWIW - I think Paksitan should push for Independent Kashmir. To do that it needs make it stated policy and ask India to hold plebiscite and let 'both' Kashmir's decide what they want.
 
FWIW - I think Paksitan should push for Independent Kashmir. To do that it needs make it stated policy and ask India to hold plebiscite and let 'both' Kashmir's decide what they want.

I agree. Pakistan should push for plebiscite by first removing it's forces from POK and Gilgit-Baltistan.
 
I agree. Pakistan should push for plebiscite by first removing it's forces from POK and Gilgit-Baltistan.

Lol why? So that akhand bhartis can invade without resistance?

If one thing is made clear by india revoking 370, and having a curfew going on 2 months with the world bodies like UN not taking serious action, is that pakistan can not trust india or the rest of the world to be fair with regards to kashmir. Indian economy will ensure that the world stays quiet even if they invade azad kashmir if pakistani troops do with draw.

Cant trust india, if they couldn't even hold true to their word to their kashmiris about promising them autonomy.


Vindicates pakistans stance all along to not with draw troops in the first place.

It is the only thing stopping akhand bhartis from invading azad.
 
Lol why? So that akhand bhartis can invade without resistance?

If one thing is made clear by india revoking 370, and having a curfew going on 2 months with the world bodies like UN not taking serious action, is that pakistan can not trust india or the rest of the world to be fair with regards to kashmir. Indian economy will ensure that the world stays quiet even if they invade azad kashmir if pakistani troops do with draw.

Cant trust india, if they couldn't even hold true to their word to their kashmiris about promising them autonomy.


Vindicates pakistans stance all along to not with draw troops in the first place.

It is the only thing stopping akhand bhartis from invading azad.

Then don't ask of plebiscite.
 
I agree. Pakistan should push for plebiscite by first removing it's forces from POK and Gilgit-Baltistan.

Man, save this sophistry for twitter. The terms were always both sides vacate under mutual agreement. There’s nothing unilateral about these decisions.
 
PM Imran Khan promises referendum for Kashmir if it wishes to be independent

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday promised the people of Kashmir that his government will hold a referendum in which they can choose to join Pakistan or become an independent state if they wish.

Addressed an election campaign rally in Tarar Khel, he rubbished talk of him "wishing to turn Azad Jammu and Kashmir into a new province of Pakistan".

"I do not know where all this talk has sprung from," he said, dismissing any notion of such an idea.

"But what I want to make clear now, is that in 1948, there were two United Nations Security Council resolutions which granted the people of Kashmir the right to decide their own future. According to the UN resolutions, the people had to decide whether they want to join Hindustan or Pakistan.

"I want to clarify to all of you today. InshaAllah, a day will come, when all the sacrifices made by the people of Kashmir, will not be wasted. God will grant you that right. There will be a referendum, InshaAllah.

He expressed the confidence that the people on that day will choose to live with Pakistan.

The premier went on to state that after the UN mandated referendum, his government will hold another referendum, where the people of Kashmir will be given the choice to either live with Pakistan or become an independent state.

PM Imran Khan said the freedom struggle of Kashmiris pre-dates partition and began more than a 100 years ago, when the people stood up time and again against the Dogra government.

The Dogra family was a dynasty of Hindu Rajputs who ruled Jammu & Kashmir from 1846 to 1947.

GRO
 
Has should just like India should too.

International law demands the people the right to self determination.

Indians make a rather silly argument, they claim Pakistan has to remove their forces first. Duh...Pakistan will remove them in a second if India first agree to their right to self determination.

A nation which occupies others against Int law and a people who agree with this are morally devoid imo.
 
LAHORE: PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif has rejected Prime Minister Imran Khan's proposal of holding a referendum on Kashmir to decide whether the Kashmiris wanted to live with Pakistan or as an independent nation.

In a statement issued today, the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly slammed the prime minister, saying Imran Khan Niazi is deviating from Pakistan's historical and constitutional position by proposing a referendum.

"The entire nation rejects anything other than Pakistan's historic position on the Jammu and Kashmir dispute and UN Security Council resolutions," Shehbaz said in a hard-hitting response to PM Khan's statement given during AJK rallies.

While addressing an election rally in Tarar Khal on Friday, the PM had promised the people of Kashmir that his government will hold a referendum in which they could choose to join Pakistan or become an independent state.

"……I want to make clear now is that in 1948, there were two United Nations Security Council resolutions which granted the people of Kashmir the right to decide their future. According to the UN resolutions, the people have to decide whether they want to join Hindustan or Pakistan," the premier had said.

"I want to clarify to all of you today. InshaAllah, a day will come, when all the sacrifices made by the people of Kashmir will not be wasted. God will grant you that right. There will be a referendum, InshaAllah.”

Shehbaz said that Imran Niazi's statement has proved the concerns that have already come before the nation with the Indian measures of August 5, 2019.

"The Jammu and Kashmir dispute will be decided according to a transparent and independent plebiscite held under the auspices of the United Nations and this is the position of the people of Pakistan and Kashmir."

The PML-N president said that imposing a solution on Kashmiris without their consent and consultation is tantamount to helping India and betraying the Kashmir cause.

GEO
 
PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari on Saturday rejected Prime Minister Imran Khan's proposal to hold a referendum in Kashmir to decide whether the Kashmiris wanted to live with Pakistan or as an independent nation.

His remarks came a few hours after Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif had rejected the premier's proposal.

The PPP chairman, speaking to media in Karachi, said PM Imran Khan always "always manages to say the wrong thing about Kashmir".

"[He] considers the people of Kashmir fools and traitors. From the beginning, PPP has always maintained that the Kashmiri people should decide their fate."

Speaking about the July 25 AJK Legislative Assembly election, the PPP chairman said that if a fair election would be held, then his party would emerge victorious.

"The jiyalas fought against rigging before and are ready to do it again."

Earlier in the day, in a statement, the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif had slammed the prime minister, saying "Imran Khan Niazi is deviating from Pakistan's historical and constitutional position" by proposing a referendum.

"The entire nation rejects anything other than Pakistan's historic position on the Jammu and Kashmir dispute and UN Security Council resolutions," Shahbaz said.

He said that the premier's statement have "proven the concerns that have already arisen" with the Indian measures of August 5, 2019.

"The Jammu and Kashmir dispute will be decided according to a transparent and independent plebiscite held under the auspices of the United Nations and this is the position of the people of Pakistan and Kashmir."

The PML-N president said that imposing a solution on Kashmiris without their consent and consultation is "tantamount to helping India and betraying the Kashmir cause".

What did the PM say?
While addressing an election rally in Tarar Khal on Friday, the prime minister had promised the people of Kashmir that his government will hold a referendum in which they could choose to join Pakistan or become an independent state.

"... What I want to make clear now is that in 1948, there were two United Nations Security Council resolutions which granted the people of Kashmir the right to decide their future. According to the UN resolutions, the people have to decide whether they want to join Hindustan or Pakistan," the premier had said.

"I want to clarify to all of you today. InshaAllah, a day will come, when all the sacrifices made by the people of Kashmir will not be wasted. God will grant you that right. There will be a referendum, InshaAllah.”

He expressed the confidence that the people on that day will choose to live with Pakistan.

The premier went on to state that even after the UN mandated referendum, his government will hold another referendum, where the people of Kashmir will be given the choice to either live with Pakistan or become an independent state.
 
I always look at the source. The NYT is only good for wrapping up hot food. 2019 articles full of lies do not matter now.
 
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